<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> sort by OS and features

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this was my leaning too

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> docs.featherwallet.org/guides/features

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> feather vs GUI vs CLI

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Choose operating system which opens a tab. Below: reference at the top, remote sync, light wallet?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> still thinking on it though. Doing a couple of other "easy" pages like FAQ

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Monero is a big site. :P

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> bitcoin.org/en/choose-your-wallet?step=5

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> I like this one

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> but it uses javascript

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> current download page is overly mentions GUI and CLI but near to nothing for others

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Dude, the fact that GUI and CLI take like 2/3s of the page is kinda funny

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes that's what im saying

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> web.archive.org/web/20180104090243/https://getmonero.org/downloads

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Here's what it used to be. My original design. We've also outgrown this by a lot.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I kind of like by feature with a chart actually now that you've shown me that BTC thing

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Monero has a lot of wallets these days

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> too big

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> (bloated)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> agree

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/uEASeZIIOopnmyLQUejdOZNh

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i can see everything in one look instead scrolling a lot

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I need to look into getting Stack on flatpak

<3​21bob321:monero.social> gl

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They ship _nodes_

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Stack ships _bitcoin_

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> CLI isnt just a frikken wallet. Smh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its cli, rpc, monerod, and all of the block chain utils

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And why would feather get special treatment over cake or stack?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> GUI and CLI are the only downloads that include Wallet/Node/Miner(and more)

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> just sent as example, it wouldn't

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why would wallet-only solutions that ship bitcoin be recommended over monerod/wallet-rpc/wallet-cli/monero-blockchain-*?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why would wallets that ship bitcoin,bch,ltc,doge be listed with monerod(gui/cli)?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How many of these wallets are built reproducibly? How many DONT have centralized services built in?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> CLI and RPC take up 2/3rds of the page because they are the are "monero dowloads", not "wallet-only downloads" or "bitcoin / changenow / sentry tracker / mymonero / localmonero plugin downloads"

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Thank you for speaking up. I am optimistic it will evolve in the right direction as more people get interested by the project.

<b​asses:matrix.org> getmonero.org/community/hangouts

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Monero has several resources that the community can use to meet and plan projects, like a Matrix server, a Taiga board and the translation platform Weblate.

<b​asses:matrix.org> "Taiga board" ????

<b​asses:matrix.org> taiga.getmonero.org/discover

<b​asses:matrix.org> are these spam? lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> We need to also improve the wording for getmonero.org/community/hangouts & getmonero.org/community/workgroups because a lot of people get confused and join rooms and ask offtopic questions.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Breh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Y u never look at prs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardened even posted here looking 4 feedback

<b​asses:matrix.org> Oh, there was no results when searching for taiga

<b​asses:matrix.org> hardenedsteel can you add these feedback?

<b​asses:matrix.org> remove taiga from site, and shut it down (no one uses it).

<b​asses:matrix.org> .

<b​asses:matrix.org> can we have a list of all services monero hosts? Diego Salazar

<b​asses:matrix.org> Dan Miller

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The fluffy made a post

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Taiga doesnt get used anymore

<b​asses:matrix.org> where?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Meta issues

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Explaining all the services

<b​asses:matrix.org> can't find it 🤷

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wait for pr

<3​21bob321:monero.social> #monero-gui

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’d invite you but the room settings are stupid

<b​asses:matrix.org> nvm, don't use GUI anyway

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip selsta

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The hangout needs to be merged

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or sorted

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its missing support &gui

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Workgroups/hangouts need to be split*

<b​asses:matrix.org> from subdomain finder:

<b​asses:matrix.org> pb.envs.net/?0ae5c6eb42b273c5#8GXQX…fYfYwAVone2kjR54u8nsk5opwHLpJ43Tkny

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Support should probably be "neither", and be on faq or footer

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yalla yalla

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> missing penpot and docs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But has the 16.04 lists

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sorry, design* and docs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> getmonero.org/community/hangouts

<3​21bob321:monero.social> On the bottom how come its got “Reach Out”?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Should we write a blog post about the chainanalysis video?

<b​asses:matrix.org> or post about it on Monero official social media accounts? (twitter)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why would we post about it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why would we even talk about it in public?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why are we counting eggs before they hatch and making kayaba a target?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fks sus behavior.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Rings are trash, and we'll never do anything about it by writing blog posts and trying to turn kaya into a martyr

<b​asses:matrix.org> people will post about monero traced1!11!!1

<b​asses:matrix.org> misinfo everywhere

<b​asses:matrix.org> Daniel Micay is the closest thing to kaya, while also living in Canada

<b​asses:matrix.org> he dedicated his life to f with forensics companies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its not misinfo

<b​asses:matrix.org> in crypto currencies, chain analyses companies are the forenscis equivalent

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Daniel micay works on phones, not financial privacy tools

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> people should really stop larping about fcmp and let kaya work in peace

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And stop defending rings

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah, but kinda need a decent OS, to make sure your finance is safe

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If usgov wanted togive me 69m + immunity, id trace monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But they aint bout that life. Brokies

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero isnt perfectly private. I'd argue it has majorly flawed privacy assumptions

<b​asses:matrix.org> also if Monero is developed to to be so untraceable and reduced all attack vectors, they will start pwning your device

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nobody is taljing abt daniel

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or what feds want to do with the cash under my mattress

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im talking about busy-work blog posts that do nothing but spread misinformation/cope or paint targets on fcmp before its ready

<b​asses:matrix.org> 1m on zerodium and they can pwn most devices

<b​asses:matrix.org> 10m to be safe

<b​asses:matrix.org> ok ok

<b​asses:matrix.org> will see how how to goes, feds will use this vid for their gain

<b​asses:matrix.org> psyops

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 69m or 6.9b, those are the options, aside from that i'll let them squirm and try to figure it out on their own, and hope monero fixes the issues before they figure it out.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> we all know the easiest route to victory is for them to fk with development, audits etc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fcmp will die a dogs death id feds decide to compel auditors to do poor jobs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or if they pay off some devs to add flaws

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id rather these jerkoffs not even know about fcmp until its too late

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Let them think were naive and that we'll have rings for 4 more yrs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Let them focus their tracing techniques on ringct

<b​asses:matrix.org> they know, see how fast they acted when the vid was shared in monero rooms

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was shared on twitter

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Had nothing 2 do with monero rooms

<b​asses:matrix.org> that's their job, keeps them in business

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> their job is to fake it til they make it

<b​asses:matrix.org> was up for like 12h+ nothing, until I shared direct URL link

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If we hand them the answer on a silver platter, they have to take it

<b​asses:matrix.org> they even started censoring it on reddit (sech post)

<b​asses:matrix.org> fcmp is known, stop acting like it underground development, there's already a blog post about it getmonero.org/2024/04/27/fcmps.html and Monero twitter account posted about it like million times

<b​asses:matrix.org> OPSEC mistakes will always be num #1 method to trace people

<b​asses:matrix.org> and they developed their tools specifically for that, like encryption, they are not trying to break anymore

<b​asses:matrix.org> break it*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seraphis is known too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> exactly my point. The media marketing blitz for fcmp is retarded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I'm not speaking out against _your_blog comment, but about how many time @monero has been tweeting about it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just begging, taunting feds to come eat our lunch

<b​asses:matrix.org> you can't search in rooms in libera.monerologs.net/?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its so luke’s rep goes to the moon🚀

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> simple suggestion but it would be perfect to have a little "I have an issue" section. That could avoid these issues: monero-project/monero #9474

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> bro asked for Monero customer service

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Wei wei

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Synthetic is mt french alt

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Support

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Check website for li k

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Link*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lol forgot about this channel

<b​asses:matrix.org> can also add missing room links like gui and support etc

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There a pr for it?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Please check pr for link

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i think we need a "support" page

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> that links to stackexchange, matrix rooms, reddit etc.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jut create a faq

<3​21bob321:monero.social> In support page

<3​21bob321:monero.social> “My node isnt syncing”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> are ports open?????

<3​21bob321:monero.social> “ i have a wuestion”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Dontask.com

What time is the meeting tomorrow?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Tomorrow?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Oh right, it is tomorrow

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Check meta

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Bookface?

Last issue I see is for august 11

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip ceo doing their job failboat

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The date is wrong on that one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was aug 18

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Create pr for issue

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Create issue for missing issue :D

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/zQSUYUKIfEHxqsmBIKocWaqD

<b​asses:matrix.org> from chainanal vid

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> edge

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> get it

<b​asses:matrix.org> MyMonero, Edge less privacy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because its one the edge of the screen

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip tob

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Create pr too add feather wallet

<b​asses:matrix.org> for the big boys greydynamics.com/the-rise-of-monero-in-terrorist-financing loool

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rip selsta

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They said "less user friendly" fkn assholes

<b​asses:matrix.org> >The more versed users will likely be using the open-source Feather Wallet, which by default creates 10 subnet wallet addresses for the user once a wallet is created.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 😄

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah sir selsta make it easier for irs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I hope the irs is pring fixes to gui

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Im lmfao

" it adds a delay in synchronization to the blockchain, thus taking longer for transactions to be verified in the mempool, or colloquially known as the queued transaction pool." fake news

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yo, theyre fkn RUDE

<b​asses:matrix.org> someone in chainanal really dislikes selsta, calls his GUI wallet "less user friendly" and removing his reddit comments

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Wonder what it is...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lmfao

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Well they can create prs to make it user friendly

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> github.com/irs

<b​asses:matrix.org> never used gov app/website?

<b​asses:matrix.org> they suck

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No, because (according to chainanal) if its user friendly it can't be private

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn RUDE lmao

<3​21bob321:monero.social> bom.gov.au

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Example

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No ssl required here sir

<b​asses:matrix.org> lmaoooo still no https in 2024

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Remember when government websites were getting hacked left right and center 10yrs ago

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its so if the weather is wrong people can change it 😁

<b​asses:matrix.org> why need ssl? what u trying to hide?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> :D

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bitcoin website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> heres another one

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cakepay.com

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They dont have a redirect setup 😆

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Anyways, selsta “r u ok “ with irs comments??

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fkn seth

<b​asses:matrix.org> HSTS

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I can give you a hug

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Where are the irs comments

<b​asses:matrix.org> hstspreload.org/?domain=cakepay.com

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They still use google anayltics?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> New rule: all website url submissions need https://

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only if we use cloudflare

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Docs.getmonero.org has onion and i2p, cuz were based af

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I asked for "no cloudflare captcha" but was given a strange response

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I asked again and was given no response

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Use cloudflare wildcare sir🚀

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Would b better if we blocked all tor traffic /s

basses: what reddit comments did they remove?

<b​asses:matrix.org> the one with vid link

I haven't used Reddit in a while, or was that unrelated to me lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> wait I got confused with sech lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> sorry

right they removed his comment

<b​asses:matrix.org> GUI is more friendly than feather tho

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ban

<b​asses:matrix.org> this

Cat only uses CLI

with her own node

and no way to know the location of the ip

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 127.0.0.1

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> 2nd attempt, only 1 guy will fail for this

**location of her

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do you use --tx-proxy?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> In bunker under rock

<b​asses:matrix.org> fall*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Niocat

she says no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If not.. pwned

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Mission successful

can you come here and instruct her?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Chainanal has a lot of the linkinglion nodes in their lists (blackballs)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> --tx-proxy=tor,127.0.0.1:9050,disable_noise

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats what she said

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^ all of your rpc tx will get sent to an onion peer, and that peer will broadcast it. Killing any change of dandelion being attacked

do I use rpc?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> wallet connection uses rpc

ah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So tx that you broadcast yourself will only be relayed to onion peers

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Those peers will be the ones to relay it to the rest of the network. Those peers cant know who sent it to then

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> In cat terms. Its like shitting in the other cats litterbox when nobody is looking

the nose knows

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But not the catsitter

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> cake wallet and monerujo doesn't support proxies for i2p and Tor

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> TLS should be must

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ???

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> cake wallet support tor proxy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cake does

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monerujo is broken af

<b​asses:matrix.org> SOCKS5?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Socks4,4a or 5 idk

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> socks5

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think its whatever monero is

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> high programmer socks 5 even

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For cske, its on the node details page / edit node

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cake needs to stop shipping their stupid ass service bulletin

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If youre running cake, click the bell in the top corner and see what it says

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> SyntheticBird 😡 don't get mad at me this time

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it says "Ofrnxmr is watching us"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you didn't say bad words, I've no reason to get mad

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Does it say "disabled" or does it say "nothin 2 report"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You got mad at me when i got mad at cake about this stupid bell

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> idk my phone don't have power

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> madception

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I just realised the other day its still connecting 2 cake in the clear

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So, unless you take time on setup, it will connect to cake everytime you start the wallet and tell your isp all abt it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And what does the feature do? Nothing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its a simple DNS TXT record request, if you don't use a vpn you would have connected to cake wallet node anyway

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The bell is a service bulletin. It connects to service.cakewallet.com everytime you open your wallet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If you decide to be private, you go to the privacy page and add your own node, turn off the fiat api, but nobody knows what this service bulletin is and its mixed in with "auto gen subaddresses"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I asked what yours say, bcuz, my ber is that most ppl dont touch the setting bcuz they dont know what it does.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the feature does nothing other than leak your privacy. 🚮

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> theres no good reason to connect to an rss feed over clearnet. You can run simple checks to know if the services are reachable (without connecting over clearnent to ANOTHER service)

<b​asses:matrix.org> documented on docs?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> on cake's docs? No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They added it without any notice, and it was enabled by default.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> they changed it to disabled on existinf installs but still enabked in new ones

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Morpheus are you in charge of cakepay.com?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Http website doesnt redir to https

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> No... I worked on it but a long time ago. Cake has someone in charge of it now.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ok

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> feather also has this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Feathers's websocket is opt-in

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (and is useful) and, iirc, connects over tor automatically tor is enabled

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If* tor