<s​iren:kernal.eu> As "we" I meant whoever is currently taking the lead on the alternative site implemention. I might be out of touch but I think whoever is working with Astro can also make it work with markdown. But it's definitely possible and bsokute mandatory to make it work with markdown.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Otherwise is unacceptable

<s​iren:kernal.eu> As "we" I meant whoever is currently taking the lead on the alternative site implemention. I might be out of touch but I think whoever is working with Astro can also make it work with markdown. But it's definitely possible and absolutely mandatory to make it work with markdown.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> As "we" I meant whoever is currently taking the lead on the alternative site implemention. I might be out of touch but I think whoever is working with Astro can also make it work with markdown. It's definitely possible and absolutely mandatory to make it work with markdown.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Aslong as selsta can do there blogs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ACK

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> digilol is dark digilol.net

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ban

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Criminals fr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Must be blackhats

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hardened, do you agree / any problems with backend in

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> - astro w/ markdown support

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> I was more excited about switching to Hugo but I don't know much about Astro, if its better i'm ok to learn, it shouldn't be much complicated ig.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> @plowsof:matrix.org i'm not in hurry but should I ask lugi for payout? and should I make PR to change proposal to completed?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> just update your ccs

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> with a comment? yes i already [did](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/c…als/-/merge_requests/481#note_26242)

there are currently 4 people awaiting payout

<3​21bob321:monero.social> island time

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I propose creating a new Psychological Support Workgroup

no further actions required

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> oh alright, i just wanted to make sure if everything ok. I'm not in hurry.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> i nominate you as shrink

<3​21bob321:monero.social> all in favour?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Hehe

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Fwiw it was my first front end framework and i had zero experience in Javascript

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I quickly get up to speed in four days

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> And once the skeleton is done, the rest is just good old markdown

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Oh I missed that message from hardenedsteel. I didn't know he would like to implement the website.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> In my. opinion we are still very far from implementation.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> What I suggested to Diego is to create a Figma of the existing website, so that we can then iterate on it step by step. That process will take some time.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> People talk a lot about implementation, Astro vs Hugo, etc. Go ahead, make a proof of concept with Hugo, stop talking.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardnened work pn the website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardnened works on the website

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think hardened is offering to implement it, but helps maintain it

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Regarding design, I think this is the best decision today, because it has become clear that this group can't take any decision, is unable to be productive, so let's stick with current design for now. And we can iterate carefully, slowly, on it.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> ofrnxmr: Right ok

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ever heard of a filibuster?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A filibuster is a political procedure in which one or more members of a legislative body prolong debate on proposed legislation so as to delay or entirely prevent a decision. It is sometimes referred to as "talking a bill to death" or "talking out a bill",[1] and is characterized as a form of obstruction in a legislature or other decision-making body.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Right

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its not that we can't make a decision, its that some ppl dont want us to

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Same thing happened with ccs wallet "path forward" after hack

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Maybe it's that. I am trying to grasp this community for some time now. And I have mixed feelings.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its obvious to me that ppl who dont want to contribute just enjoy throwinf wrenches into plans

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and they do it in every workgroup that they are in attendance

the disparity here is that the designer is being paid, janaka not

the more we delay

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ^^ +1000

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive had an issue with the hijacking of the ccs from day 0

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The votes on the ccs were completely ignored, we let that slide

any wrench in the works only affects janaka

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I am not sure to get the point. I am not against money, but if it was only for money I would not be here.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We waited for designs, and now were discarding everything going back to step 0

which is fine for people being paid to design / run the -site workgroup

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We already paid for diego to do a competing design, its one that closely mimicks the current design

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think we shouldnt be wasting time re re re doing it. Paint bucket it to light theme and implement it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janakas ccs should have been merged and in progress weeks ago

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> this "meeting every 3 weeks for someones ccs" is asinine

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Maybe I am to blame also. Because I didn't realise until recently that dark mode was a mistake.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dark mode and light mode are interchangeable. Diego just needs to make adjustments to his current paid work

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Make it light, get rid of hero, change circles to rectangles, (keep design close to current)

<c​hch3003:monero.social> This is also an option yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> spending many more hours on recreating the current site is a waste of time. The new design isn't all that much different (aside from hero and circles)

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I am more inclined to spend one more week on something and having a solid foundation for years

<c​hch3003:monero.social> We are not really in a hurry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ofrn wants to see diego's proposal in light mode so we have a 1:1 comparison to current. Remaking current sounds nice and all but new one (homepage) is already done. We could be implementing by now. Dont need 3 more weeks of filibuster and going back to "astro? Or jekyll? Or hugo?" Or "light? Dark? Pink?" Or "hammerman? Diego? Diego-old?"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like 4hrs of meeting time wasted on the most simple shit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Could have implemented all options by now 😆

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We don't ever discuss anything aside from the nee website. The meetings arent website workgroup, theyre janaka ccs meetings.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> hardenedsteel's ccs wasnt mentioned at any meeting. None of the repo work has ever had any attention. 0 conversation about where new content will live in the short or long term

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Who is a minimum committed to maintain current website?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hardened, plowsof, myself

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (mostly hardened and plowsof)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/502

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Should we create a new room, only for people that actually work and contribute positively?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> this is the room, but since we have 2 ppl on ccs to "create a new workgroup", we've had 0 new contributors to the repo but a lot more noise :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think we just need to tune out the noise and keep working with ppl who contribute

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I thought that the role of Diego and Monerobull is to organize this workgroup

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It's quite a failure for now

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no offence to either of them, but they have nothing to do with the workgroup

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Absent on the repo, dont contribute outside of the new website (diego) and meetings (mb)

<c​hch3003:monero.social> So the CCS is just used to send money between friends and Monero is a big joke?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I hope it's more than that

<c​hch3003:monero.social> So sad

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Ofrn up voting this after receiving +300k in CCS funding is crazy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> If that's what you think and you let that fat ass regurgitated horseshit get in your brain, yeah.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont deflect

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'll catch you redesigning FIRO or a monero fork website soon.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> rottenwheel: Why are you so violent?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ofrn receiving any funds through a CCS is insane. But we know how luigi1111 deals.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> My brother in Christ, have you not read ofrn's nonsense?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt make 300k, 90% of that is still with luigi

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Guy's as unhinged as they come.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dumbass i have nearly 50commits and launched docs.getmonero.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also co authored on hackerones and stressnet prs

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He must be saying all sorts of slurs and stuck in the I wrote your response ten years ago urr durr still. 😂 Yelling to a wall.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Remember Bitcoin getting rid of the Bitcoin Foundation?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten stopped contributing when his -site ccs was closed

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Anyways, back on topic, backend is getting revamped. Deal with it.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Money corrupts everything

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't care much about what happened to bitcoin haha. Not much is going to change. Luigi got the pot stolen and he's still the maintainer and he still runs the wallets.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Deal with it? Ive been onboard with revamp since before this "new workgroup" was larped into existence

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Does that give you any social or consensus hope?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Luigi runs 1 wallet, ccs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And he still holds the wallet bcuz of filibusters

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ccs was down for 4 months bcuz "community" couldnt come to consensus

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Eventually just yolo'd responsibility back to luigi - option c) do nothing, which is the same as what were doing now: option c) do nothing.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> this is why we had a core team, to prevent indecision from blocking progress. The old governance model used to actually give core veto over commmunity

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We had the anniversary last month

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> i wanted to stay a bit off drama but ig i should join at least meetings 👀

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