for sure. what would be your best estimate for time/cost involved? more or less

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We can pay in ❤️👍

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Well, it is much bigger than rotten's site. I don't know what your budget is but I would be fine with 2 XMR. I'd finish it in about a month or so

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> On and off as I am very busy. I need to find time to finish another task I have with rottenwheel and once I am done with that I can consider this

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Although why is there a demand to switch to Hugo? Also, wasn't there a CCS that redid the website and made it look different?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> yeep

<3​21bob321:monero.social> redesign

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Right. Was it not good?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> but we like to make it more confusing and ask multiple people so nothing gets done

<3​21bob321:monero.social> job securiity

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hmm

<3​21bob321:monero.social> janaka has a demo site and diego is playing with designs without a functioning demo site

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> monero-project/monero-site #2140

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I can migrate old design and/or new design to hugo

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Of course additional designs will incur extra cost as it takes a really long time to do

<3​21bob321:monero.social> first it was to move to a different backend and now its redesign

<3​21bob321:monero.social> just needs to be easy for people to contribute

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Looks like "Astro" is the choice. Never heard of it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If that is the case then it would not make sense for me to help as I'm unfamiliar with Astro.

a few XMR to migrate the current design to hugo is a screaming deal

<r​brunner7:monero.social> You don't give up easily, do you?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> you know how it is the loudest person gets heard

<3​21bob321:monero.social> even if they are wrong

give up on weighing pros and cons? I guess not

what's Janaka charging for Astro?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Different scope

good that we have an alternative at least

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I wish we had a CCS transparency report. I suppose they are a few millions or more. Monero is dying and you are scared to spend money. I think Monero should spend way more, in tech, in marketing, in everything.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> And stop contracting with the same 5 people for 10 years FFS

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> kuno.anne.media/fundraiser/kaib

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Why recan working for free? Didnt this cover?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Hm I thought we already had a working base in Astro.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only for the redesign

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hammerman's design

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That's not the design we decided to go with?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not for current theme (jekyll) or diego's proposed (no demo)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We decided to go in circles

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were at "lets use old theme in astro" probably

<s​iren:kernal.eu> If you decide to keep current, there's no need for Astro just port it to Hugo. If you need a more complex design, go with Astro.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Old theme is simple enough, it will take shorter amount of time to port to Hugo and you don't need to implement markdown rendering/blog system like in Astro.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Old theme is simple enough, it will take shorter amount of time to port to Hugo and you don't need to implement markdown rendering/blog system like you would in Astro.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> A markdown rendering/blog system...

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It's a no brainer really, perhaps get somebody who's more comfortable with Hugo to do it and it will be done in no time. Pulling in a JS framework like Astro and starting to manage this with NPM is overkill.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> You are a web developer? You already worked with Astro?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I am a web developer. I work with Vite and Nuxt. I know enough to tell you that this is overkill if you decide to keep the old design.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I can agree with that, but I don't understand what you mean by "markdown rendering/blog system". This is provided by Astro.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Astro supports Markdown like Hugo

<s​iren:kernal.eu> I know what you're talking about but you will need to implement a blog system docs.astro.build/en/guides/markdown-content

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Supporting Markdown rendering is one thing

<c​hch3003:monero.social> No this is built-in as well. You put your Markdown files in src/pages/posts/ and Astro will create pages for each blog posts

<s​iren:kernal.eu> No it isn't. For example, one of the missing features that you will need to implement from scratch is taxonomy support. By author and by tags github.com/monero-project/monero-si…ro-GUI-0.18.3.4-released.md?plain=1

<s​iren:kernal.eu> By no means this is impossible to make, just why reinvent the wheel.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Right, you have to use Content Collections to define schemas for blog posts and authors.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It is maybe 30 minutes work to have everything working.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> But yes, Hugo is probably enough.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I don't think this is an important point. What should be the most important point to choose the framework is the i18n and how it interfaces with the i18n tool (that has not been decided afaik)

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Here is a good comparison between Hugo and Astro docs.astro.build/en/guides/migrate-to-astro/from-hugo

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Why would i18n would be a problem when both Hugo and Astro have built-in support for it?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Why would i18n be a problem when both Hugo and Astro have built-in support for it?

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Because i18n is always a pain the ass

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Also, it might be simpler to migrate to Hugo because of Astro Markdown limitations explained in the blog post above.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> astro.build

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Approved..google uses it

<b​asses:matrix.org> lool

<b​asses:matrix.org> dying - not true

<b​asses:matrix.org> spend more - depends, it is all donation money so you should spend it wisely to not end up like Mozilla

<b​asses:matrix.org> also monero is spending all it can to improve Monero (in tech) its not their job to support side projects/hobbies, marketing is kinda needed.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Monero is dying.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of price, if we get a bull market, as it seems to move now, people will move their money on coins that offer good returns. Only the most ideological people will stick to Monero, and get fucked. Some people will kill themselves out of despair.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of projects, this is ridiculous in comparison to other blockchains.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of community, I only see the same small accounts on X. Always the same content, most of the time not interesting.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of governance, Monero is completly disfunctional, and an outright scam with zero transparency.

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Maybe you think FCMP++ will bring momentum. Yes, maybe a bit, but not that much. People are more hyped by meme coins with a dog picture. You can fight that by investing your time on Monero, building useful projects. But don't invest your money. Don't be as dumb as me.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hmm

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Shooting self in foot

janaka by "CCS transparency" report do you mean general fund? just wondering

price / hype / community on X don't really concern me to be honest

i think you need to vent on reddit / xmrtrader with ratty , you will feel better lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like your looking for a job and not interested in monero

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> i mean thats also fine, we could do a lie detector test like on Maury and ask people if they truly love monero

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Blood in, blood out

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The issue is too many chiefs, not enough indians

<3​21bob321:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/502

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Mean!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Is this the type of CCS coordinator we need!?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> So unprofessional, first he downvotes my CCS proposal for asking what I consider is the right amount and now he dismisses a community member's opinion like that!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I cannot be homeless and I must earn a living!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Goodnews our issue count is https

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/monero-project/monero/issues

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> janaka: ignore the "community" and "governance" parts of XMR, because they are objectively the worst two and fubar.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Price too lol.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Pay attention to technicals, because the rest is short of pathetic.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janakas ccs has been hijacked for like, what, 5 months?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If i was janaka, id be "wtfing" at this "process"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hire 2 new ppl to manage my proposal, then talk in circles for months. Seems completely non-function, and from janaka's perspective i'd imagine it is intentially like this

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Submitted twice

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka first started the implementation in _january_

<3​21bob321:monero.social> First was closed because of the new hires

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Anyways can the hangout prs be merged ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As soom as erc stepped down, csillia sent me a list of things that needed to be fixed oj website, the workgroup became much more active and janaka found consensus on the redesign and began work

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka opened ccs, ccs has no opposition, ccs was closed pending 2 new managers

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tbh it was before it got bloated here

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now, months later, we are here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Janka made a working demo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Only one currently

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ill push the block explorers to docs and rereview the hangout olpr

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I had requested changes, not sure if they were made

hangouts: add monero town? seems to stall due to it not being accessible by tor? why dont we add monero town and the lemmy cafe and display the cafes onion link 🧅 too

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i NACK monero.town

<3​21bob321:monero.social> More the matrix ones

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cafe can be used w/o tor. Post cafe for both tor and no for?

this one dan? monero-project/monero-site #2259

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> mbll told me to pay the bill for town if i want tor - i said servers.guru offered to. Mbll previously said there was an issue with the UI crashing. Idk where that stands

display monero town and lemmy cafe on the same page, clearnet+onion for cafe?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero-site #2259#issuecomment-2355823513

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof hold your horses right there, matey mate...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why is he always mixing stuff and misunderstanding... beans and toast...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> NACK monero.town until mbll is willing to try to maintain it w/o simply shutting the doors

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Town is not accessible via Tor thanks to CF, not only that, but I can confirm 100% it has federation issues because .cafe cannot post in .town, at all.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Reddit allows tor users to read

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Bull has adamently denied it, or doubled down on CF to no avail, that's why I've been living in my CF-free island.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Town is less than niche at this point. No privacy using peoples can even read it

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> All that to say, cafe does not have a hidden service, it simply does not have a CDN (CF) set up that fucks with federation and tor connections.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> If Germans weren't so stubborn...

ah cafe does not have a hidden service, that is my misunderstanding. simply not being behind cloudflare

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Aye, aye. Uncucked.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> as much as i personally _want_ monero.town to take off, its essentially dead to me.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even facebook and twitter allow tor

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Not only did he bring federation issues with other lemmy instances, he outlawed Tor users... anyways.

we should be sympathetic to monero bull for starting the service . dealing with / combatting ddos / keeping things online is work for a well paid team of sys admins

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Cloudflare users cannot host onion services ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tf

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Sympathy doesnt allow users to read or post

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I don't know what the deal is, but there's always someone whining about that.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I like sympathy. I'll give some to monerobull

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Cloudflare has onion routing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> then why can't monerobull make an onion service?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I am so sympathetic that i offered free solutions

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof I wrote an entire thread where I was very grateful to them for starting that, and I was one of the first to sign up on the instance. However, 9 months in after this and no change, but just "what do you want me to do?" is annoying.

<b​asses:matrix.org> cap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even paid ones that dont involve cdn, like crunchbits charging like 25c/tb

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'll still say lemmy will continue to fail because the UI sucks

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or servers.guru having unlimited plans and offering to foot the bill

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> ...since it's not Rust or Astro, right!? R i g h t ?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol.

ok it seems we have exhausted the free labour and a bounty of sorts to 'fix' the issue is needed, problem is, what needs fixing. the laggy ui in tor (i don't know)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lemmy is rust

<b​asses:matrix.org> blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-onion-service

<m​onerobull:monero.social> Exactly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fb even has an onion..

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not cap

<b​asses:matrix.org> twitter onion dead, can't browse twitter without acc

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thx elon musk

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof "I am nothing but thankful for /u/monerobull's initiative with monero.town, to the point I'd consider Lemmy a solid replacement to reddit. I hardly ever log into reddit, just to post Revuo issues every week and some meme here and there." l.opnxng.com/r/Monero/comments/1e3r…mw5/new_cmonero_community_set_up_at

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I use twitter via tor exclusively. doesnt block tor

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I guess you never read that lol.

<b​asses:matrix.org> never heard someone using FB onion. prpbably dead too or shadowbans accs

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Before we start counting chickens, the first step would be to check with Lemmy developers whether an .onion lemmy instance is feasible in the first place. Why would we be asking for something if we don't even know if it's possible or not?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Someone posted a lemmy onion recently

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I didnt bookmark it tho

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The hidden service has to run everything through .onion _and_ federate with both clearnet and .onion instances. Good luck.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nihilist [blog.nowhere.moe] maybe posted it, i dont remember

<b​asses:matrix.org> you created account when? and u used tor since then?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Regardless, spare me with the cf bs, I'll hang at cafe.

<b​asses:matrix.org> also using tor browser?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Hot take: A minecraft server would have more users and better community feeling.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is there one for monero support and now docs?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive had multiple accounts. One got banned and unbanned

monerobull should start a kuno to fund the work and get recanmann to do it for free

ha ha

<b​asses:matrix.org> ....

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Bazinga

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yalla

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof come on man, we're killing the last 2 retards that still show up in here...

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who is "we"? bootlicker

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *What do you mean we?? Like nintendo Wii ?*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Inclusive

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I me we, like oui

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Fuck off

accessible via tor does not mean hidden service, that is my take away, thank you rottenwheel

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof Today you learned something new! Amazing!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I thought that gray matter had long disappeared after so many shitty beans and toast...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Uselesswheel

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof hidden service generally refers to the .onion URL, an actual set up mirror of a site, an actual site, so to speak.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Accessible through Tor, on the other hand, means that if you attempt to connect to monero.town, you won't get hit by CF bitch ass, and blocked.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I’m just reading between the rant

<b​asses:matrix.org> libreddit.bus-hit.me/r/wii/comments…1ae8z07/kim_jong_un_is_a_wii_player

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> epic thx for sharing

<b​asses:matrix.org> thx for staying offtopic everyone

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> should -support be hangouts, workgroups, both?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> rofl

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof or when you are using a public Wi-Fi network at the park or restaurant, try to activate VPN or go on Tor and neither work: you cannot connect.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nioc plz confirm

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> rando all Monero channels and rooms are free-for-all cages, you should've learnt by now.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotte bahaves himself in rooms that i admin/moderate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotte behaves himself in rooms that i admin/moderate

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Dictator

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Buz my feet get erratic. Likely to kick like a donkey and hit a bootlicker by accident

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> But we have the decency to be shut our mouth when *professionals* are talking. So called *professionals* have two features:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - They have a track record proving they are smarter than us

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - We never saw them joking.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I have seen monero dorks joking around, ok?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> #monero-research-lab:monero.social is probably the best example.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rando, serious q, Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my day is ruined.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Cum here bb, I'll cuddle you.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ?????????????

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> rando is 1 message away from leaving the room.

<b​asses:matrix.org> what is -offtopic be used for then?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Syn, spoon rotten k

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I asked about -support ..

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> multi-threading offtopic channel

<3​21bob321:monero.social> On topic

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> About monero-project/monero-site #2259#issuecomment-2355823513

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ok i'll stop, work is important you may continue being productive

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Need to add docs and support, but where should support be added. Hangouts, workgroups, or both?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hangouts sound like a cafe

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Here, plowsof, I got live receipts:

<b​asses:matrix.org> still... it is either we close -offtopic and ask users to join support

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> users need to find support easily, soni think it should be both

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Same as dev i reckon

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But idk

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/aZwfmrtDWtolziQHUXibkTIv

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> qu.ax/ZPcO.png

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Pwnd

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lemmy.cafe on the other hand...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/hqLKmNZSLJKIIRaethayEkEo

ack thank you

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> qu.ax/rQaK.png

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Until it gets mass connections

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Then smoke appears

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monero.town functions as a honeypot for your isp. My isp doesnt need to know what links i visit or when im active in a monero centric platform

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Please, send all your DDoS attacks to lemmy.cafe.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol.

<b​asses:matrix.org> doesn't use CF

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I want to put that sysadmin to the test.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> No shit Sherlock, really!!!?!?!?!?!?!?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Use nginx 😬

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I have been saying that for 9 years and this asshat just says it again lmfao.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Use nftables

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ufw

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> The main reason I'm downvoting .town inclusion is CF, ya genius.

<b​asses:matrix.org> what you want then?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ufw deny syn

<b​asses:matrix.org> bull said town facing attacks

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I already got what I want: uncucked lemmy.

<b​asses:matrix.org> cafe, if faced DDos what it will do?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ask the sysadmin, do I look like I run it?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> They wont die on the hill

<b​asses:matrix.org> then stfu? lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'll make you stfu. Bye!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I guess as normal human beings you cannot be simplistic and just include monerobull .town instance with a simple Cloudflare warning on the side.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Kiwifarm was using cloudflare

<b​asses:matrix.org> you can use bunnycdn but you are shifting the problem

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> /ignore all

<b​asses:matrix.org> now basedflare

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Kiwiflare*

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> And completely ignore the fact you are not letting in any Tor users?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> `DDoS ******** by Kiwiflare`

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> just add a warning

<b​asses:matrix.org> modified a bit, real ones use github.com/onionltd/EndGame

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> In a so-called privacy-centric cryptocurrency project hangout platform?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This instance is hosted through Cloudflare system and is inaccessible for Tor users

<3​21bob321:monero.social> @ofrnxmr ^

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This instance is hosted through Cloudflare system and is inaccessible for Tor users. You may consider another instance.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Cool, suggest the change to hardenedsteel's PR and have it merged! Just don't count on my vote for that.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Like a light wallet warning

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Help yourself, be the change you want to see in the world. monero-project/monero-site #2351

<b​asses:matrix.org> SyntheticBird it is over github.com/lizthegrey/tor-fetcher

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Like curl, but for fetching .onion URLs that require "haproxy-protection"/"BasedFlare" PoW completion before access is granted.

<b​asses:matrix.org> tool in Go too

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Go aliens are everywhere

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Gotta RIIR

<b​asses:matrix.org> actually it might be github.com/C0nw0nk/Nginx-Lua-Anti-DDoS iirc, you in most ret* room kyun, they are aware of the latest changes SyntheticBird

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> SyntheticBird its not just that its hosted on CF, its that mb has CF's firewall set to block tor exit nodes. According to rotten, it has federation issues as a result, not just accessibility

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Re: your comment on GH

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ppl using .town over clearnet arent able to see posts from instances that it isnt federating with

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> pretty much an echo chamber for ppl who dont use tor.

dan bob, what did I miss?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lemmy is rust <<>> so it is perfect, good to know

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Were trying to decide

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Should monero-support be on hangouts, or on workgroups, or both

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or neither, and be on a "help me" page

well it is for help so.....

need to go out and take care of cat2

Cat mentioned that she is willing to help with the town issue but doesn't know what to do

workgroup can be justified because the channel has a specific purpose in mind - helping people or all abilities to interact with Monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont want ppl going to hangouts, and then coming to #monero to ask for support

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats why i thought "maybe both?"

#monero is for everything and help , and they can be directed toward the specific workgroup from there

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Still need to do: mrl lounge, community dev, docs, move/rm hardware, rm taiga,

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Where is devs?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Workgroups

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Similar as technical

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Put warning, “Make sure your running the latest version”

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or plowsof will hunt you down

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats why i thought "maybe both?" <<>> while I was out I had that thought. I imagine that people having support issues might well go to the site first and help should be listed so that it is easy to see but that should not preclude it getting listed in workgroups. =

it is not unusual to have something listed in 2 different locations on a site

do we have a site map?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> We had one a couple of years back.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> which version? modded? how did it go?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Don't recall. The "latest" in 2020? Some people played it for a while then nobody played on it after a while.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ye

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I was never too much of a gamer but I joined for a while. Was fun hanging with people.

yes we have a site map but it is useless lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> monero.social is slow af today

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I have to wait 10 seconds before my message are sent

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> sometimes get disconnected

IRC is working just fine

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> IRC don't permit me to show my beautiful profile picture

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Never use any service maintained or paid by core.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Gasp! Here comes the permaban. 😂

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I don't know what happened to those funds, but I haven't received anything for my work (nor do I expect to). I did it voluntarily after seeing Digilol's quote

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Also I looked into Astro and it is a whole web framework... getmonero.org is a static site, no?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh I see that Siren said that same thing

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Reimplementing blog system etc. is a waste of time. Hugo is much smaller (literally, ~90mb a few hundred mb) and already supports these things natively because it is a static site generator

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Isnt astro a SSG as well?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> SyntheticBird Diego Salazar

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It is an SSG by default yes

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I would not want to add that attack surface tbh

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It is a SSG by default yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what attack surface?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Running a nodejs server...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you don't

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh. Can you explain further?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's a SSG. It output html/css files you can host it with whatever you want. I generally host them with simple-http-server (written in rust), you use nginx or whatever software that deliver files over urls really.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You run a nodejs server in SSR mode (server side rendering), in which there is logic executed on each page request, but we don't care about this.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's a SSG. It output html/css files you can host it with whatever you want. I generally host them with simple-http-server (written in rust), you can use nginx or whatever software that deliver files over urls really.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You run a nodejs server in SSR mode (server side rendering), in which there is logic executed on each page request, but we don't care about this.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Ah, ok. SSG is static site generator. Didn't catch that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> np

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Well I'm not sure, I guess a vote is necessary to decide

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I've only used Hugo and I think it would be the right tool for the job. Not sure how many people prefer Astro

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I agree. Let's for once make a real vote, by keeping track in a shared state

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> enough of voting in channel and people complaining they weren't there.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego Salazar:

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I guess at the next meeting

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I assume there are meetings for this workgroup?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh, looked it up, yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I think some people will not be there even next meeting.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and then will complain

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and then will complain a decision has been taken

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there should be a 3~4 days windo for voting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there should be a 3~4 days window for voting

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Okay

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So is it 1. migrate to hugo, 2. migrate to Astro

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Or any other options?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> The quote wasn't abnormal, I see it being mentioned here a lot. A week worth of work is not gonna be 50 euros.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, I agree. Nothing against you or Digilol, but I had the time

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So wanted to save money for an acquaintance of mine, I guess

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Afaik all people have polarized around this two choices yes.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> strawpoll.com/BDyNz92D8yR

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Site requires javascript, if you don't want to run the JS and want to vote, you can let me know and I'll cast it for you

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ofrnxmr: ofrnxmr Diego Salazar hardenedsteel janaka

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> geonic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> strawpoll.com/BDyNz92D8yR/results for seeing the result

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hey jerk plowsof plowsof do you ever read my mentions on GitHub? monero-project/meta #1073

i wouldnt want to steal work hours from monerobull

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lmfao, bull closed the other one with 0 logs... (I had also mentioned you in there...) monero-project/meta #1049

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof I am this close... I repeat, this close... to creating my own website workgroup issues myself.

that would be rude

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Tired of nudging bull to no end.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> DO IT ROTTEN

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> DO IT

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Grateful blablabla, guy is radio silent.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Disappointing website workgroup "lead".

<b​asses:matrix.org> ngl I vouch for plowsof to manage all community, need to be rewritten in Rust and increase pay

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> This fucking issue was up for like 3 meetings, none of those logs were ever posted. And I pinged him at least twice.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ridiculous.

<b​asses:matrix.org> he's more active and hard working than other new hired people

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We jsut did 😭

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> And then I tag the other fool and he doesn't even acknowledge my request lol.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof have last meeting logs posted when you can, thanks.

plowsof has a few alts, the one logged in as him yesterday that hasnt done anything for 2 years needs to be fired

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Maybe close that shitty issue and I volunteer as tribute to at least maintain issues properly.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh. sorry I didn't meant to bring back (short) memories

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Option 3 needs to he IDC

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Option 3 needs to be IDC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> english?

<b​asses:matrix.org> train a model and let it go!

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Okay

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> now i get why you want moo to work on every channels

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Changed it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 0 abstain

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1 jekyll (no migration)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. Hugo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 3. Astro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 4. IDC (2 or 3)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Most ppl voted 4 or 3

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Context: matrix.to/#/!zPLCnZSsyeFFxUiqUZ:mon…social&via=matrix.org&via=kernal.eu

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Voted

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Do it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> +1

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Don't threaten diego with a good time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> `*5 minutes later, on a new rotten issue*` "plowsof, please upload logs for me" - rotten

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof is our centralized backend

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> All roads lead to plowsof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Even moneroworld and xmr-tw

lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Not having logs posted as it's norm for all meetings allows for certain characters to claim consensus wasn't reached and so we end up with 4 meetings talking in circles because of such characters.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So post the post

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> But I have an outburst asking for it and I'm the evil party in the equation!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> You dont need permission

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So post the logs

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> There are 2 direct website workgroup 'associates' on pay roll and they both let it happen.

<b​asses:matrix.org> why is "Min. firmware version" mentioned on getmonero.org/downloads ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> for hardware wallets?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Probably

<b​asses:matrix.org> for hardware wallets

<b​asses:matrix.org> what is the point of mentioning them? user should be running the latest version

"Monero is dying and you are scared to spend money." <== I'd like to see some proof of that

because the @monero account says we're excited all the time, its over

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because the latest isnt always the best

<c​hch3003:monero.social> In terms of governance, Monero is [...] ]an outright scam with zero transparency. <== ouch

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> some ppl dont want ledger recovery

@plowsof> monerobull should start a kuno to fund the work and get recanmann to do it for free <=== or he just gives 10% of his CCS loot to recanman and we're done :)

<b​asses:matrix.org> I don't know much about HW wallets but if they have major vulnerbilites which most does, upgrading is not an option

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If website does not have the budget I can do it for free but it would take much longer

<s​iren:kernal.eu> If you decide to keep current, there's no need for Astro just port it to Hugo. If you need a more complex design, go with Astro.

<b​asses:matrix.org> user have to update

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Old theme is simple enough, it will take shorter amount of time to port to Hugo and you don't need to implement markdown rendering/blog system like in Astro.

someone pin this

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> recan, there is 35xmr/mth already spent on this

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh, wow

no, shouldn't be for free. we have 2 workgroup coordinators getting paid

<b​asses:matrix.org> thanks you are cool

<b​asses:matrix.org> cc plowsof homie deserve a couple of XMR if we decided on a SSG to use and he can do it.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yeah, i'm not asking recan to do anyhing for free

and ofrn is getting paid 10xmr/hr to shitpost

<b​asses:matrix.org> it was a whole redesign, which we are not doing rn at least

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rotten raises 6.5xmr for his migration, recan does it for free. Ccs raises 100xmr for workgroup/ recan does it for free? Nah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If i was getting 10xmr/hr, i'd be rich

monerobull: how will you handle this matter as workgroup leader? :)

<b​asses:matrix.org> you stopped doing ponzi schemes?

monero is a scam guys, go home

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ehhh, don't get in here while those other two are present for your own sanity...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> no, i have another movie coming out soon. Its about monero ponzi scams

should do a ccs for that, I'd upvote

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> recanman address plz

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero address?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Monero address

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> 😄 Okay

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Was confused for a moment

a leader amongst us has emerged

:p

<b​asses:matrix.org> you following up

<b​asses:matrix.org> ?

diego paying recan

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who's bill is getting paid?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm confused

<b​asses:matrix.org> me too

itshappening.gif

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Paying for what?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I haven't done any work yet

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> For you to make the current site in Hugo.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Wait, but I haven't started? Shouldn't payment be after?

you're too honest. act like you're part of a scam ffs

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2 XMR now, 2 XMR upon completion.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm not saying it WILL go live.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> But at this price it is worth my time to pay you to do it so I can see and play with it.

👏

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If anyone wants to do Astro for a similar price, let me know.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I don't agree with your thought process but I have sent you my address

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Send again plz. It just says encrypted message cuz I joined the room after and matrix is stupid

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Oh nvm there it is.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> a4723769265916536cc618d2647af19d7afac07f8b6c58d8cae6c213d13ce8d1

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Make plz and thx

gj diego

<b​asses:matrix.org> wot is that? should start with either 4 or 8

tx proof

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its a txid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Mr nocoiner

<b​asses:matrix.org> oh lol

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Terms:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. It's FOSS on a git so I can fork and play with it.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. Get it done ASAP but at a pace where you don't burn out.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 3. Last 2 XMR paid upon full delivery with all functionality of current site.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 4. I'm happy to play with works in progress so you can put on git earlier, but not a hard requirement.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Any specific license?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Or same as monero-site

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> BSD-3 is "official" monero license.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> It's what luigi1111 and others used to like most, fwiw.

something where we can resell it to firo and not get in trouble

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I think that's what monero is licensed under, or that was something else.

(I kid, I kid)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> BSD-3 is fine

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> You can retain all copyright, I don't care.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Content is cc4.0

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and matrix is stupid <<>> IRC is working fine

@seen monerobull

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok so you decided to 4 XMR for a website with Hugo

<c​hch3003:monero.social> I wish you all the best

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Ciao

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Ok so you decided to pay 4 XMR for a website with Hugo

who has decided what

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego paid recannman 2xmr now, 2 later to migrate the current site to hugo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> No Janaka. Hold your horses.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm still generally on the side of Astro.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> ... then why pay me? Site should look the exact same

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I, personally, paid a guy to do some work.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm on the side of "please do your current design in a light mode" @diego

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Because the price is good enough that it's worth my time to see what a Hugo version looks like under the hood. So i invest my own money to see it.

thank you Diego

a sponsored design competition entry if you will?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Same design

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> just a 1:1 migration of current website from jekyll to hugo

<c​hch3003:monero.social> But Hugo will work. It's even a better choice regarding the Markdown. Will be easier than porting it to work with Astro.

ok understood

<c​hch3003:monero.social> We don't need endless debate

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which would, i assume, fit the "light mode, use old design, fix jekyll issues" and invalidate janakas ccs which was "create new website in jekyll"

now lets contribute to site and apply for paid contribution roles

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which would, i assume, fit the "light mode, use old design, fix jekyll issues" and invalidate janakas ccs which was "create new website in astro**"

recanmann do you have an ETA / your availability to complete the task? or don't you have an idea yet

<c​hch3003:monero.social> The only thing you can screw up is the CSS if you really suck

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Haven't taken a look at it yet, I will estimate 3 weeks or so

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Although if it is really desired I can prioritize it

finally we have some talented slave labour

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was only slave labor b4 diego sent the bread

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I agree, hence why i took this step here. If the fact that a Hugo version is being worked on makes you want to retract your CCS for the astro work rather than wait in limbo, then I understand.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm doubling the requested money. Might be nice. :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> He did rotten's work for free, and offered to do getmonero for free too 😭

<c​hch3003:monero.social> Yes I will retract my CCS

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, right. I'll try my best

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero provides me utility and therefore I'll help others in the result that it will improve the community

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I see. This is very regrettable, and I'm sorry it's come to this.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero provides me utility and therefore I'll help others in the (hopeful) result that it will improve the community

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 😭 so were stuck with old design in hugo. Rip

<c​hch3003:monero.social> It was an interesting experience for me nevertheless

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> A fresh start was so much more refreshing

you're not allowed to say goodbye janaka sorry

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> "interesting" choice of words, janaka :)

<b​asses:matrix.org> chad

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> s/chad/scammee

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Monero provides me utility and therefore I'll help others in the result that it will improve the community <== ideologically aligned slave labor at that

🙏

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> doing volunteer work is nice, until you find out that ppl are being paid to for your volunteer work

<b​asses:matrix.org> blame plow

right. which is what happened when we found out Diego is getting paid out of the GF and larping as a volunteer

<b​asses:matrix.org> we should bargain more

the loss of innocence

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plow, take blame plz

it is my fault

100 whips

you must compute 100 randomx hashes by hand

😭

(good one rotten)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> doing volunteer work is nice, until you find out that ppl are being paid to for your volunteer work <== this is also the problem with paying a translations coordinator but not the translators. dumb policy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> +1

<b​asses:matrix.org> pay experienced translators 🧠

<b​asses:matrix.org> coordinator better be volunteer work or pay per words reviewed

yes, pay them to own a certain language. no coordinator needed once we have a good person

<b​asses:matrix.org> the latter is how they are actually paid

anhdres offered to do Spanish

<b​asses:matrix.org> also translators

the coordinator probably won't speak all the languages being translated so... we would just need to pay a reviewer or second translator if we want it checked.

or we could have an easy way to report a wrong translation so the users will do the job for us.

<b​asses:matrix.org> Weblate have a comment section

<b​asses:matrix.org> also we have a dead translation matrix room so you can discuss issues etc

<s​iren:kernal.eu> geonic: in this day and age we don't need to pay, just pass it through chatgpt/duckai whatever.

for the original translation or the reviews?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Translations to the monero website are a tragedy.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> geonic: preferably to review

+ it could be used to speed up translations immensely

maybe just do the translation via chatgpt and have a human then review it

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Weblate has openai intergration

idunno, either way it could be useful yeah

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It sucks that they don't accept PRs and the translation on weblate sit unmerged

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Whoever is coordinating that part, AI should take their job, literally

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol, you can't use chatgpt at all to review translations, it is like using it for finding security vulnerbilities in your code

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Disagree, works like a charm for Lithuanian and Turkic languages that I speak.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tight ass

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Works 90% of time for arabic as well

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Used it to translate localmonero

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yalla

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Luigi 2 month ago on the website CCS proposal: "Closing in favor of constructing a functioning website workgroup". Boy, did that work out.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ahahah your funny

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rb anymore jokes?

<b​asses:matrix.org> you speak arabic?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> yes

<b​asses:matrix.org> cool

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😭😭

<b​asses:matrix.org> Yalla = Go

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The website workgroup was functional before, tbh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It was only missing an active maintainer

<r​brunner7:monero.social> For about 1 or 2 meetings?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> generally it means 'let's go' rather than 'go'

<b​asses:matrix.org> it doesn't btw

<b​asses:matrix.org> true

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The docs site in a couple of months has since website workgroup has been created:

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Been published and updated

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Weblate setup

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. Weblink testing

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. Dark mode

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> When I translated localmonero a couple years ago it auto-wrote the arabic translations, then I went through and corrected them

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Maybe it wasn't the openai integration. It was called 'machine translation'

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It works for this too tho lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> we should have listened to luigi1111 from the start, please forgive us

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no, we shouldnt have

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, machine translation terrible, I improved LM website translations but it was too late rip

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We should have never indulge this "new" workgroup

<b​asses:matrix.org> so people paying for security audits are getting scammed?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> its just noisier now and less getting done

<3​21bob321:monero.social> To many manager nodes, not enough cloudflare works

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, audits arent "find a vuln in this section of code"

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> When I translated localmonero a couple years ago it auto-wrote the arabic translations, then I went through and corrected them <== that's probably the most efficient way to do it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Show it a section of code that youve found an issue with and ask it "is there anything to worry about here" and it will tell you about your vuln

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which means ai can exploit your shit if you dont check it

<b​asses:matrix.org> LGTM mate 80% of the time

<r​brunner7:monero.social> From now on, if I don't like how something goes in Monero, I will immediately start to think how I could strategically offer 4 XMR to derail everything and get my will.

lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> that is why former head of NSA joins OpenAI board

<b​asses:matrix.org> joined*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And why github has AI integrated

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You have cotten on how it works here

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Everyday learning something new. Some days more amazing things than on other days :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You know to much

weblate has machine translations built in. there is a 'not free api token' situation going on though

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dan, what was the free TL website

a machine translation suggestion can be shown the the translator for example

<b​asses:matrix.org> recanman cake-tech/cake_wallet #714/files can you rate it?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Libretranslate or smthn?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah

<b​asses:matrix.org> and does it look like a machine translation or not

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Brave seach it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> the whole thing?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You might get the answer

<b​asses:matrix.org> eye scan quickly

accidentally the whole thing?

<b​asses:matrix.org> 2 min

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> For free plz

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'll take a look at it later, I'm quite busy now

<b​asses:matrix.org> btw it is already merged & not my translation

<b​asses:matrix.org> because it is mostly machine translation

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Whoa wut

<b​asses:matrix.org> oh and there's a FOSS Arabic community if you would like to hear about it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Eh, not really interested

<r​brunner7:monero.social> Diego Salazar: I don't think that was your intention, I don't accuse you of that. But the result was ... nevertheless just about this: The whole process derailed, or settled into a particular outcome if you like.

<r​brunner7:monero.social> I really didn't think that possible.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ...

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> truly at a loss for words here

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes it was not meaning to derail anything, a personal donation from Diego to reward a contribution to the situation.. to someone who had publicly completed the conversion of a jekyll project (revuo) near and dear to Diegos heart

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> for free^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> figma.com/community/plugin/1053050985172660071/weblate-integration

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Winrar?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> do nothing, people mad. Do something, "railroading". Pay a guy to do something to see options so we can make a decision, derail process.

<b​asses:matrix.org> plowsof why can't we pay weblate for strings hosting? then figure out migaration later if needed?

<b​asses:matrix.org> to be on hosted.weblate.org

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds a mastercard ad

<b​asses:matrix.org> worked well for tor project and simplex chat

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or fix current weblate

<b​asses:matrix.org> well, diego should pay syn for that

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Pay dan in chocolates

<b​asses:matrix.org> magic

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Grants ™️

<r​brunner7:monero.social> A very striking example of unintended consequences.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> lmao

while I was out Cat killed a mouse. What have you guys done in that time?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> no good deed goes unpunished Diego Salazar

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Played solitare multiplayer

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm speechless, dude.

<b​asses:matrix.org> ?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Where broke

maybe some reassuring words should have been used instead of .... <d​iego:cypherstack.com> If the fact that a Hugo version is being worked on makes you want to retract your CCS for the astro work rather than wait in limbo, then I understand.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Over budget this financial year

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Btw hi nioc :)

hi, Cat wants my pizza

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fight back!

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if we're starting over from translations, or rather, beginning with what we have on the -site repo / abandonning the translations submitted which are in limbo, getting weblate back online would surely straightforward

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Brb

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said that if anyone wanted to do the same for Astro for a similar price, let me know

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I said I still leaned toward Astro, but the price was good enough for me to pay for it myself just so I can see it in action.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'm migrating translations

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Just a matter of copy/pasting yaml file, no issue

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> po/pot files right?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> They are just .yaml files

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> github.com/monero-project/monero-si…51f0d24cb6f40bb53e48cd/_i18n/en.yml

<b​asses:matrix.org> selfhosted?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Docs is

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Coolify even has it as an app

<b​asses:matrix.org> rec stealing everyone's job

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the .yml files are the "fun" ones. po/pot ... making po4a work with the uhm

<3​21bob321:monero.social> For free

<b​asses:matrix.org> monero CEO in 2 years or less

<3​21bob321:monero.social> He will pay us soon

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ofrn still wants to see diego's redesign in light mode 📢📣

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fast tracked

ofrn, first I heard that request :D

wen response

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 😭

<3​21bob321:monero.social> So

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Convert to hugo temporary/permanent for free

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. Talk about astro for 1 more year

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 3. Stay on hugo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he's said it at every meeting

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Well?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Niocat has heard it at every meeting

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I would like a demo site!

yes but no response

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Heard what

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nvm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That ofrn wants to see diego's redesign in light mode

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> pretty beat down by all this, so I think I'm going to take a break

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Neva!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Geonic success!!

we luv u, don't leave

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> literally, yes

<b​asses:matrix.org> btw simplifiedprivacy is now also asking to replace vost for making explanatory videos for 90% cheaper

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also i asked in weblate for anwser on the weblate issue, to keep the train on the rails here

maybe relavant for you recanmann , a workflow i put together that builds/runs po4a github.com/plowsof/monero-site/blob…a-staged/.github/workflows/po4a.yml

<b​asses:matrix.org> but I don't like his videos style tbh

po4a version is 'locked' because we have multiple keys in the moneropedia files jekyll/jekyll #9618

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 127.0.0.1 sir

<b​asses:matrix.org> discuss.privacyguides.net/t/you-re-…hops-not-3-simplified-privacy/16317

<3​21bob321:monero.social> docs.weblate.org/en/latest/admin/backup.html

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cant do this?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> what are the arguments for choosing astro over hugo?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka preferred astro

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And janaka was the one doing the impl work

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Astro > hugo if we were doing a new design, was my opinion. If not a new design, it doesnt really matter. The easiest route that works

Stop this PvP nonsense. Diego is the current website workgroup leader. If there is an unresolvable difference between a would be workgroup member and him, please see yourself out. I'll help if necessary. I'm not trying to make everyone happy. I'm trying to have a functioning workgroup.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> berkaycubuk.com/blog/hugo-vs-astro

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought diego’s ccs was to help plowsof

best if you sit this out your highness, workgroup is doing fine. your protege's ego will be bruised sometime and that's fine.

No it's not fine.

Consider this your only warning. If you're here to bruise egos instead of helping you will leave.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What's PvP mean

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Pimp*?

I'm not here to bruise egos and as you can see we're reaching conclusions as a group.

Player vs player or person vs person

Geonic clearly not from what I'm reading from Diego

I can't help that he's fragile

stop coddling him

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> > Astro allows developers to build components using frameworks like React, Vue, and Svelte but outputs static HTML, which results in faster load times and better performance.

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> is it for the people who dont know html? huh

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The question is will the current worker bees use it?

btw it was your decision to bring back someone controversial to lead a workgroup so I get why you're feeling protective of him

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I mean, you can call it fragile if you want, but I have better things to do with my time.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> docs.astro.build/en/guides/migrate-to-astro/from-jekyll

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Neg we pay you to suffer!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> docs.astro.build/en/guides/migrate-to-astro/from-hugo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Has the differences

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I should have put that in my CCS description yeah

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Just ask plowsof. Suffering is #1 duty

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof likes whips tho

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe diego does. I dont judge

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> @monerobull:monero.social can't you just setup onion address which would solve the cloudflare problem?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Its the load mass

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> with PoW defense enabled

<3​21bob321:monero.social> If there was a site clicker we would win

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> clearnet will be behind cloudflare, onion won't instead it will use PoW

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Tor artix is alpha still?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> afaik yes

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> last time i checked*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> forum.torproject.org/t/introducing-…ork-defense-for-onion-services/8886

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Looks like its in 4.8.0 and turnned off by default

when proven wrong, play the victim card. such a tiring job talking to a bunch of ppl on irc

to diego's credit, at least he's able to change his mind when presented with new information

hopefully he'll seek that information out next time and not have to be force fed

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> you have oh so rarely proven anything about anything. You torture any bit of agreement with you as to a crystal clear victory on your part, and it's exhausting

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> again, as an example, you keep bringing up 'I was right about light theme wasn't I?'. No. You weren't. Most people were "if it ain't broke, don't fix"

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> The people who actually bother to show up to the meetings are either neutral, or for a refresh on the design.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> And yes, I do count the people here (even you) as having more of a voice/say than the randos on reddit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Why cater to one

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Slows shit down

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Majority rules move on

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bcuz ofrn wants to see diego's redesign in light mode (‼️)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And i want a demo!!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> demo of redesign, yeah?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yest

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Diego’s one

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Indeed. I played his game, and now we're back to no new design (which isn't a big issue in and of itself), down a funded contributor (as often happens), and other people upset that I tried to move things forward again by taking some initiative :P

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Janaka already has his/her/google

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> i'm in the "aint broke dont fix", but still think we should have a better look at diego's

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> its not a huge change, its just updated imo

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> when will I learn indeed that geonic can win and 'prove' as many things as he wants in his own head?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> unfortunately it's not that simple

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Website workgroup exploratory slush fund when?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If light mode redesign doesnt look as appealing as aint broke dont fix, then so be it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> But were compating black pots to white pots right now, and thats racism

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> he's really good at torturing context until it squeals, and handing out the pitchforks to the masses

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The issue from what i recall was

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 1. Dark mode

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 2. I8n

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I have a wood fork does that count?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sustainability matters

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx its certain we're migrating to monero-docs right?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ESG points

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And will harden,plowsof,ofrn use astro?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Docs.getmonero.org is live

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Imagine. Remember two months ago when we said Astro, let's look at a few designs? I was working on one, and we had hammerman's. If his was chosen, great. Imagine how far we'd be in these two months?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I have your xmrig guide on there in a draft pr

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> ok will update the site accordingly and add a notice about it

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> don't forget the i2p guide

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rpc docs are live too

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Can redirect all contributions there

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Docs site on getmonero site pr?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'll be migrating the open rpc prs as well

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> something like "we're migrating to docs.getmonero" and this page getting deprecated"

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Very soon™️

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its depreciated

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Very much appreciate if ppl dont open new prs to update the pages that have been migrated

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Regardless of how things have shaken out in the past, I guess. There is (if I may say so without accusation) a general path forward. :P

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> docs.getmonero.org/rpc-library/monerod-rpc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> example

<3​21bob321:monero.social> That means we need prs to remove from getmonero.orgy?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Not remove, no

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some ppl have bookmarks setup and will need to be redirected

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am making the Figma of the current site, I will (a the request of people here), make a light version of the homepage of my design, and it seems Hugo is now the de facto way forward given Janaka has bowed out.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Create blog post on orgy site

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Once again, since I saw Astro >= to Hugo, that isn't a major blow, so to speak.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hopefully they use rss and get the message

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I would very much like to see the light version

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And dan would like a dirty deployment of it, if not too much work

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> If we had gone back to reconsidering Jekyll I probably would be pretty miffed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No light for you

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You work in the dark

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> jekyll ia the future

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We'll be there in 3months

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ccs?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> inb4 geonic 'wait wait, we never actually decided we'd move to Hugo'

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sometimes you need a dictator

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We didnt decide anything

correct, we voted for astro

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> nioCat, we no longer have an Astro developer

<3​21bob321:monero.social> To say stiff shit chiefs were going astro boy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ofrn dictator says "show me the light redesign and then we can use astro with niocats approval after dan tries demo"

I thought we had several

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We have like 9 of them

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We have pretenders

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Ok, can we have one step forward to implement the site then?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Janaka, janaka, janaka, syn, syn, and rbrunner, plowsof, ofrn and half of rotten

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> if Astro should be chosen?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 9.5 admins?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> need to see the proposed design first

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> astro for current website is a waste of time if were getting it done for 4xmr

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Can that design work on any platform?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 0xmr

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I hadn't made a mobile version yet because I hadn't finalized the design

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> heck, the DESKTOP wasn't finalized

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I deeply regret sharing the sneak preview, btw

<3​21bob321:monero.social> As in it will work with hugo,astro, google docs….etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> requested not to go on Revuo yet. It did. Requested for it not to go to community yet, it did.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I appreciate that you changed it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Literally said the hero and other things weren't final

-site has ruby script plugins and hugo is in go, is something going to automatically convert them to go

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> something = recan

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Automanually

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I'm not particularly sore about it, but my WIP was compared to hammerman's. And I would agree with the people that hammerman's was better because of course it was. It was a finished product compared to a pre-alpha WIP

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> This alone has muddied the waters a LOT

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hmmermans wasnt better

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cause if the design works on any. The. The question is do we rm -rf website and start again or straight swap

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> and one of geonic's patented "decisive victories"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It was just more of a breaking change

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Listen to ofrn

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> "it's clear nobody wants your design" blah blah blah etc etc

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Your design is closest to the current design

<3​21bob321:monero.social> The real question

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It jist had obnoxious colors, hero, and circles

huh?

geonic won, again :@

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> this has literally been part of the discussion. If we're already doing the work of switching backends, do we take this opportunity for a refresh as well?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> To which a lot of people in this chat thought "sure, probably"

diego I thought you had better things to do. why do I go away for 10 min to see myself mentioned by you 10 times

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Aside form that, looked very close to current and i think would be accepted by the "aint broke, dont fix" crowd

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> cooled off, back in the ring

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You decide if the site needs re design then backend can change. If not go hugo to fix i8n

hehe

ok tell daddy not to intervene for you again because I'm being muzzled

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> RM -RF

otherwise not a ring, it's diego's playground

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> true. I didn't ask him to come here on my behalf fwiw

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We only do sandboxes here

<3​21bob321:monero.social> For security reasons

"and you should respect diego because I put him in charge of you!"

fathers gonna be fathers

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> What's the current issue with i18n?

maybe that's his way of making it up to you after firing you 3 years ago, who knows

respect should be given just because

I want no part of it tbh

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> some content can be migrated. A lot of it can be straight up dropped due to being poor quality, outdated, or moving to docs repo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hi

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Respect is earned and lost all the same

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Respect my authority!

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Famous person once said

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> sgp?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cartman

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No. That was FAFO. My bad

yes and, in the eyes of many, diego lost it irredeemably by sucking 330k off the GF behind community's back

so I have a hard time as perceiving him as anything other than a mercenary

(although mercenaries can be useful too)

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Mercenary vs grandmaster of the peanut gallery

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont hate the player or the game.. hate the referee 👌

ha

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Red card sir

where is monerobull's finger?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> On the pulse

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> thump thump

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Dangerous question

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Either way, our chaotic impromptu meeting in which many happenings happened more or less ended with the summary above, but I will reiterate because geonic wasn't around when I summarized so it literally didn't happen.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Since its just a homepage, can we get your redesign deployed in hugo AND astro?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought mbll will post meeting summary?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Plowsof posted it

theres still a chance to grab the others

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Log* not summary tho

stolen valour

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 1. A version of Hugo is being worked on. Progress! Same as live design.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. Diego will make a light mode version of his design's homepage

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 3. Diego is finishing the figma version of the current live Monero website design (all pages), at which point I'll probably do it in PenPot too so non-Figma people can play with it.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> How did they decipher it

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> 4. The Hugo vs Astro thing was never meant to be resolved today by my offer to recanman. It was not trying to be a definitive move. But unless we have a person come forward and own the 'development' part, it may end up being so.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ima go back to nixpacks

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I've never had my name mentioned so much 😃

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Yes I'm aware we have people who say they can do it.

d​iego:cypherstack.com> 2. Diego will make a light mode version of his design's homepage <<>> without circles and reduced/eliminated hero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For 3, dont bother wasting your time with pages that arent migrating, like docs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Your famous

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am technically ABLE to do the Astro implementation (and Hugo) if needed

r​ecanman free lunch if/when I see you

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> but I want to pass that around seven hundred times lest I be accused of railroading for my own benefit

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And cookie

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Let's all love recanman

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Recanman IS free lunch /s

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Kinky

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> recanman: you're a guiltless party here caught in a ton of crossfire, bro. Very sorry.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I'm not sorry, recanman. Diego speaks for himself

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Since we're mainly doing HTML/CSS ssg with no optional javascript, my only argument against Hugo is that javascript templating is way more versatile and powerful than hugo.

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I speak for ofrnxmr only, not even myself

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Alt confirmed

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> #anotherone

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> have you ever seen me and ofrn and geonic and rottenwheel in the same room?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Rotten isnt my alt. He's my salt

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> I am literally arguing with myself all day long

syn for astro dev

<3​21bob321:monero.social> All the time

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and im pepper

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ceo*

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> Also, I can't for the life of me understand why you guys hate the circles, but I'll remove them.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> again. only if i get paid in russian ruble

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> except leap years

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because theyre circles

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> ohhhhhh gotcha

I have no imagination and need to see it :D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Minecraft players be like:

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> wait nioCat you didn't see the design with the circles?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What about ripple?

I saw the circles, not impressed

<3​21bob321:monero.social> What about cat?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> And what about crop circles?

she wants mouse shaped

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who summoned me in here now?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Who am I and where's my lizard?

<d​iego:cypherstack.com> we held a ritual

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Candyman?

a few days ago someone linked to a modern site that they were impressed with, it was so bad

how do we come to a decision? :D

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> youtube.com/watch?v=BKorP55Aqvg Diego Salazar

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Niocat ^

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rock,scissor,paper

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Or deathrace

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you know we call just make a pvp game between Hugo and Astro supporters on BAR RTS (free and open source)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 4:20

ofrn, yes I've seen that weeeeeeeeeeeeeee

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What the fuck happened now?

nothing

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I'm quoting Diego on Matrix...

im sorry

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but your question is broadcasted to all of us. you egoistic.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Diego isn't all yours

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> it's mine

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> He is all mine. 😏

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Diego is big spoon

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What came before Sunday? Saturday. You're Sunday sugar. 💅

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> what came before sunday? Rotten, prematurely 😶‍🌫️

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Errrrr errrr errrr errrr. How about 1 with your imagery, or any other graphic designer, of which we seem to have plenty now!

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Vosto, monero graphics, someone else I've been talking to privately, Diego, anhdres.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> We have a metric shit ton of graphic designers and one person migrating current theme to Hugo.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Change backend, revamp design.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I wouldnt convert to hugo, its a waste of there time. No decision has been made

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lmfao.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> stop laughing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> there is nothing funny

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Why is it a waste of time, frontend developer. Elaborate your cons for the ref, geonic your majesty.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> its a serious discussion

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Lmfao (again).

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) Backup chop chop... 👂

plowsof will decide

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> What does cat think?

she thinks mice and pizza

what does the site maintainer think?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> 💯

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Coin knows his stuff.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> That was my question. If it switches to astro will the current worker nodes use it or even know how to use it.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Only question that needs anwsering now is do we rm -rf website or not

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> obviously yes. erase all backups and local branch and then start working on the new website

if you presented me with this astro blog, i would have to submit a markdown file with front matter to make a blog, just like we do now github.com/bradtraversy/astro-blog

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> why do you think?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cause why waste time now when there is no definitive answer

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Coin knows his stuff. <<>> if I say anything of value it's just a lucky guess

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> looks like Ai written

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This contrasts with traditional server-side rendering,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ChatGPT confirmed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > This contrasts with traditional server-side rendering,

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ChatGPT confirmed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> no human on earth say contrasts and traditional in the same sentence

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/gGYallgWPSMbvNaMulhJtEXY

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/QcBeavcrNAVIQPdpxHwDwRah

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> I'm generating* a book

did AI determine that it was AI generated?

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> yes

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is a statistical model not LLM

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> AFAIK for most of AI-detection websites

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I wonder what it says about me. If it knows that i am ai

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We are in the trauman show?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Trauma show*

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/bAFmrToDiOuFmWtsWMnvoNsr

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> he is just stressed

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so he talk like chatgpt

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/URuhBDLqTiXyIOIwqEQskKww

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Freegpt

<3​21bob321:monero.social> As long as the comparison is correct