<redsh4de:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: any new additions to the figma design to expect from you in the coming days? or the opengraph thumbnail images

<redsh4de:matrix.org> something as simple as this for the merchants page?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/VAtdqlqrfocUbqGgBzJIHZhJ.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/zteypyvJvipyWlCbNDwIaGnF.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> i'd add xmrbazaar ans potentially remove cryptwerk

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont remember what the issue with crypt was, let me dbl check

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And add kycnot.me (kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr) with monero filter

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/monero-site #2403

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> not sure why this was closed though

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe meant to be closed as "not planned"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (So leave cryptwerk up )

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd also list their onion addresses where applicable (only monerica has one atm)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: 67w4f46nfrfigohl4ypgpo7cjnftl57rorha3zmn4xkll5jvmi6mi4qd.onion <- monerica

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/fqPIYEKwTryXtqdzGozNJGyj.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx:

<redsh4de:matrix.org> kycnot me also has a onion, added that in for exchanges section too

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> kycnot, cryptwerk, and monerica are all directories. Xmrbazaar is both a directory and classifieds.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I might also consider a second section for gift cards/vouchers (up for discussion):

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> * digitalgoods.proxysto.re/en - official retailer for vouchers of various services, like tuta and proton[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/vfPC49EKc2pZa3V5 ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Looks good, but i'd put the onion on the left (for consistency), and preferrably find a square monerica logo

<redsh4de:matrix.org> doesnt look like there's a square one

<redsh4de:matrix.org> can also just do this for now, same way they set their favicon

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dpHWwUEZFHsCRDZIRNnbDhXg.png (image.png)

<diego:cypherstack.com> Not with C3 coming, I'm afraid. Got my hands pretty full. > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: any new additions to the figma design to expect from you in the coming days? or the opengraph thumbnail images

<redsh4de:matrix.org> merchants page deployed: beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/merchants

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Kycnot onion link should be

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> kycnotmezdiftahfmc34pqbpicxlnx3jbf5…qd.onion/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> and

<plowsof:matrix.org> for not listing kycnot me under cryptwerk, the issue was they didnt have a correct subcategory for it, cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr and monerica.com , xmrbazaar , kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or¤cies=xmr is showing vps/vpn and SMS merchants , but with exchanges and aggregators

<plowsof:matrix.org> is that the only "remove cryptwerk" issue 🤔

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Why is Anonero top 1 community wallet when it's single platform and doesn’t work without Tor?

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/unredacted.org/YvHzrufXfQbUxYOPXZCSNElg.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> consequences of alphabetical sorting

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: translation: Cake employee says #1 should be cake

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> or rather, monero.com since thats the only dual platform community monero-only app

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @plowsof:matrix.org: No, it has gam-bling too

does monerica still list drugs/porn/gambling

lol

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> First wallet visitor goes to is Tor-only and Android-only. Hm.

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Moving that somewhere down the line, make it a custom alphabetical sorting... but you do you.

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Sending a visitor to an only-one-platform, Tor-only wallet sounds... not ideal, nor user-friendly.

yes, clicking a dead link as first impression for a noob sucks

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: Thats racist

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> plowsof: Anonero link should probably be an onion button

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Time for a custom alphabetical sorting! 🥳

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> plowsof: Anything wrong with any of those? Monero the orthodox religion. Sins!

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @rottenwheel:unredacted.org: Yes, use qwerty /s. this idiot

<redsh4de:matrix.org> We can sort by platform availability as primary, alphabetical secondary if there are multiple in the same group

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Order would be as such

<redsh4de:matrix.org> monero-only: monero.com | feather wallet | anonero | monerujo | monfluo[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/ttDH5tEKa042N3BU ]

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Nacj

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nack

<redsh4de:matrix.org> due to potential astroturfing complaints?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> yes

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: I can think of one already... monero.com is for-profit, has the dreadful .com domain.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: fwiw if the sorting metrics are visible in the code and not biased towards any specific org (availability -> alphabet), i think that doesn't apply

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> feather wallet | anonero | monfluo | monero.com | monerujo

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> Something like that...

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: but yeah, if both from the same company are first in both categories someone def would complain regardless

random ordering at deploy so everyone is equally unhappy

just sayin

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> KISS, alphabetical is fine just put an onion icon on anoeros link

rottenwheel "Anything wrong with any of those? Monero the orthodox religion. Sins!" not religious, but surely they are not linking "drugs" (DNM?) - i can only see the testing kit site which is fine

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> no they listed a pharmacy or smthn

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (Not any dnm)

<rottenwheel:unredacted.org> plowsof: I haven't checked to be honest, probably not. (??)

ah ok, it was from this comment monero-project/monero-site #2398#issuecomment-2439697324

here is the add kyc not me to merchants PR: monero-project/monero-site #2406

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think there have been any valid complaints about cryptwerk?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (Also havent heard any testimonials either)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But its been there for years w/o a complaint

remove it and see who complains? 😳

are they being racist to cakepay? cryptwerk.com/companies/giftcards/xmr

<redsh4de:matrix.org> latest comment in #monero makes me think its worthwhile also highlighting eigenwallet as a user friendly option

<redsh4de:matrix.org> seems like it is, download client binary, deposit btc, swap into xmr... nothing more than that

<redsh4de:matrix.org> they even have a "Buy Monero with fiat" option through DFX built in

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @redsh4de:matrix.org: sort of

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But yes, in general, atomic swaps are very user friendly

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (Since they are trustless)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i downloaded it to test, seems simple enough

<redsh4de:matrix.org> they even have a startup guide for absolute beginners

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> basicswap isnt as user friendly as eigen for 1 main reason: basicswap requires that you download/sync blockchains (it does this automatically)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But once running, they are as simple as trocador

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> faster than swappers

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Less likely (0% chance) to be held pending kyc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The main issue is they they are software. Swappers are just websites, so no installation needed

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Swappers are currently requiring 10-50 confirmations before processing the swap

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Eigen and basicswap are like 1 btc conf and 2-4 monero confs

<redsh4de:matrix.org> updated the page to highlight eigen as a user friendly DEX option + marked that it supports fiat purchases due to the DFX swiss integration

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I'd definitely say eigen is much more noob friendly than retoswap when it comes to turning btc into xmr

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Aye.. thats not decentralized or p2p tho :P

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> maybe add a ¹ yo the fiat and a footnote that says its centralized

<redsh4de:matrix.org> yea added (KYC required) to the fiat section

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> its not kyc tho

<redsh4de:matrix.org> DFX swiss requires kyc, right?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Under 1000 or smthn, you have to put your payment details but no id requirwments

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Cake advertises it at no kyc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I dont think they request ID

<redsh4de:matrix.org> yeah, no id until a certain point but they still ask for customer info - name, address, etc

<redsh4de:matrix.org> still counts as know your customer imo

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Do they ask for that id or do they just obtain it because you're sending them a payment?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> because if it's the latter, then reto is the same thing.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: For that info*

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: They ask you to fill out a form before you can purchase

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZyogvOuuItVzqgxNNiZlLutx.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/FQmzqKjlOIXqqCtqxvLkOUXX.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> would keep it as (requires KYC) is as they outright prompt the user to "Complete KYC"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> You have to do this for haveno too afaik > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> They ask you to fill out a form before you can purchase

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Well i guess this says in big bold ketters "kyc"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: To prevent "3rd party payments"

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: id keep it mainly due to that

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Agree

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Maybe it changed. I remember it being advertised as no-kyc

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Ive obv never used dfx

<redsh4de:matrix.org> changes live on page + onion icon in the footer

<redsh4de:matrix.org> with this, the flow for the "Start using Monero" section on the index page can be considered complete

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mDqMmZivQArOTvJxQfLmyIjp.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr> "to get the right wallet" -> "to find the right wallet"

<ofrnxmr> maybe "send monero" -> "spend monero"?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> makes ense

<redsh4de:matrix.org> pushed the changes + improved UX for mobile exchange filters: if a item is selected from the filters, a subtitle will be added showing what's kind of category is being highlighted

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QUNIeKVJytdowQiANjVKeFSD.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/TshudqBCshFlQMpAsZFDsVUJ.png (image.png)

<syntheticbird> Doing god's work

<syntheticbird> looks fantastic

<redsh4de:matrix.org> ill prob take a week long break after polishing the current state lmao

<redsh4de:matrix.org> spent way more time on this than i had planned

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @syntheticbird: Also very fast

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> But that might just be because plowsof didnt cheap out and buy the slowest vps like core did (im joking)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> beta.monerodevs.org @plowsof:matrix.org can you pin a message with this link in it?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Or add it to the room description

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: have to use element X to do this from mobile fwiw

<321bob321> Getmonero.orgy doesn't hyperlink either

<plowsof:matrix.org> is that how pins work (added link to irc room descr.)

<plowsof:matrix.org> beta.monerodevs.org