<redsh4de:matrix.org> page update - tried simplifying the terminology to not be as intimidating, and added a indirect link from exchanges to the downloads page

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/tPaCKOvyRwyoeNaIxUqAMslW.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> When you click on the community downloads link from this paragraph in the exchanges page, it will highlight all of the wallets that have a "built-in exchange" tag

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nEHDijCmzGOOyvzfjlagxFMI.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZGwvNlfcpdEwXBpxKYMkgOUG.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> that'll happen only from that paragraph in the exchange page, opens in a new tab

<redsh4de:matrix.org> p cool mechanic to have

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> In general, the omd descriptions were better > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> page update - tried simplifying the terminology to not be as intimidating, and added a indirect link from exchanges to the downloads page

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Example: basicswaps description is now incorrect

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Dumbing down the descriptions is in good faith, but is misleading

<redsh4de:matrix.org> How would u phrase it so its still dumbed down?

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Like basicswaps "from your wallet, No central account"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> All dexes havs no central account.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> All dexes have wallets

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> basicswap doesnt allow you to swap from an external wallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The old description of

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "a decentralized and trustless atomic swap exchange etc etc" made the most sense

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And eigenwallet new description makes it sound like its a wallet with atomic swaps built in, when its always been a btc-xmr atomic swap service, that has a wallet built in

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Eigenwallet do market themselves as a wallet now

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/EifXhrgFApFBpvGzETrpSZMz.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (the atomic swaps arent an after thought, its the main attraction and has been for years. Just recently the name changed)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> @redsh4de:matrix.org: They were called unstoppableswap for like 4years. Name changed like 3 months ago

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> M point is, US / eigen had like 30btc worth of liqudity. Its THE most liquid atomic swap service for monero

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And really, nobody (yet) uses it as a wallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap and retoswap also have built in wallets, but eigenwallet moved away from monero-wallet-rpc and coded up a wallet2 rust version and made the ui more wallet-like.

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> If even describe it as

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> "A highly liquid platform to atomic swaps btc into xmr". Remember, this is exchanges page. Ppl arent looking for cake wallet

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> example. You could liat cake wallet like "a wallet that aggregates various swap providers".. this is what it sounds like to refer to eigenwallet as such

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Eigen isnt just some wallet that has ability to swap coins, its the premier btc->xmr atomic swap playform

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> eigen "monero wallet app with built in btc->xmr swaps"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> cake "monero wallet app with built in crypto->xmr swaps"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> see how this doesnt make sense? Eigen is in a whole different category than just a wallet that has built in swaps

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I also don't like the change from "decentralized exchanges and atomic swaps" to "peer to peer exchanges"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Even "Decentralized and peer-to-peer exchanges" might be better. The word decentralized should remain.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> True, makes sense to have a different description based on the page context that it is in > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Basicswap and retoswap also have built in wallets, but eigenwallet moved away from monero-wallet-rpc and coded up a wallet2 rust version and made the ui more wallet-like.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: I'd keep "Decentralized Exchanges" as the title then, and then expand a bit on what type each exchange is in it's description

<basses:matrix.org> a lot of visual distractions > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZGwvNlfcpdEwXBpxKYMkgOUG.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> what would you suggest

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/lfRdauFIVdthTORptQzJhghT.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MzyFeMtlopgIsITjolKBVZUb.png (image.png)

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: this, is the reason for being highlighted that some users might find it concerning for privacy?

<basses:matrix.org> I haven't kept up with chat after the image diego posted... same thing

<redsh4de:matrix.org> here, it contextually highlights the relevant items when navigating from the exchanges page > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> When you click on the community downloads link from this paragraph in the exchanges page, it will highlight all of the wallets that have a "built-in exchange" tag

<redsh4de:matrix.org> and only from that specific paragraph link - won't be higlighted by default

<redsh4de:matrix.org> idea is as such: User goes to exchanges, wants to find the easiest way to swap into Monero.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Under the swap aggregators section, there is a paragraph that some Monero wallets also contain built-in swap functionality.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> User clicks on the hyperlink that links to the community downloads page, which contains a target attribute that highlights the specific wallets the exchanges page was talking about - i.e. all wallets with the "Built-in exchange" tag

<redsh4de:matrix.org> example of the paragraph here > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/nEHDijCmzGOOyvzfjlagxFMI.png (image.png)

<basses:matrix.org> then I guess this makes more sense? > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MzyFeMtlopgIsITjolKBVZUb.png (image.png)

<basses:matrix.org> bruh > <@diego:cypherstack.com> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/hJbrSeumGlpHLkeclitZluRE.png (image.png)

<basses:matrix.org> still sexualized

<basses:matrix.org> also her face looks different in each position

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Yeah prob going with that, it will also scroll down to the first matching item on mobile > <@basses:matrix.org> then I guess this makes more sense?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: What changes would make it more acceptable?

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: I hoped it was a different character as it makes more sense. If I no options other than to improve this character, I would made her flat and more 'done' like the first one on the right, the other two looks rough copy of it.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Yea its def a draft still

<basses:matrix.org> what is logic here? > <@ofrnxmr> Personally, it hurts my brain when things arent sorted logically

<basses:matrix.org> this can be ddosed? unless you can shuffle order without js and without being served randomised output from server for each request > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> thats doable too :D

<basses:matrix.org> see discuss.privacyguides.net/t/are-pri…des-recommendations-ordered/16912/4

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YOZEsdybGfxWfygmTuqshjXN.png (clipboard.png)

<basses:matrix.org> the split button needs a bit more space so it is noticeable, also it should be empty space no a colored line

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Wont be possible to ddos, as the randomization would be done only on compile on the website - as its static > <@basses:matrix.org> this can be ddosed? unless you can shuffle order without js and without being served randomised output from server for each request

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> abc...xyz > <@basses:matrix.org> what is logic here?

<basses:matrix.org> alphabetical

<diego:cypherstack.com> What? How? > <@basses:matrix.org> still sexualized

<diego:cypherstack.com> The other two aren't finished yes. They're being painted. But I wanted to show the art first.

<basses:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: I said in the same paragraph

<diego:cypherstack.com> Yeah I scrolled down a bit and saw.

<diego:cypherstack.com> Bruh, Imma be blunt, you kinda wack

<basses:matrix.org> sure.. im the one that is weird lmao

it's haram

<basses:matrix.org> 💯

<ofrnxmr> rando can send a pic thats acceptable for religious locales

<diego:cypherstack.com> @basses:matrix.org: I don't think anyone else here cares? So yes?

<basses:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: you mean care about the image or what blunt sir?/

<ofrnxmr> Yes, nobody cares about the imae

<ofrnxmr> I identify as "anyone else"

<basses:matrix.org> exactly, because you guys think about yourselves and not million visitors monero site gets yearly. You are not designing the monero website for you to visit only.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i mean some islamic schools forbid all kinds of illustrations of living beings, animals and humans (something about imitating Gods creation, dont remember rn)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> to play it safe, we can go with the option of not rendering the side image at all for select locales

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i think the current one works well imo

<diego:cypherstack.com> @basses:matrix.org: Didn't we say we can put different image for different locale?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Or that ^

<ofrnxmr> This isnt an islamic website > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> i mean some islamic schools forbid all kinds of illustrations of living beings, animals and humans (something about imitating Gods creation, dont remember rn)

<ofrnxmr> So honestly idgaf what any religion forbids

<ofrnxmr> Monero isnt religious

<ofrnxmr> Even if i was a muslim or christian etc, monero doesnt conform to my beliefs (and shouldnt)

<ofrnxmr> Thats what beldex is for

<ofrnxmr> @basses:matrix.org: must be talking about yourself, cuz u want monero website to fit your world view

<redsh4de:matrix.org> yh, just for the sake of the argument > <@ofrnxmr> This isnt an islamic website

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i think going all the way to fully accomodate every single possible culture is a slippery slope, but finding some middle ground is not unreasonable

<redsh4de:matrix.org> the latest image diego sent works quite well as that imo

<ofrnxmr> @redsh4de:matrix.org: its haram

<ofrnxmr> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Its not a slippery slope, its absolutely retarded.

<ofrnxmr> There's no middle ground, as monero isnt a religious. Its simply about being professional, not about complying with any religion

<ofrnxmr> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/monero.social/tTrmjNWoYlUmIRwNLgHCScxX.jpg (17654683528944496133074892730441.jpg)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> well tbh if the issue with the 2nd image is just that the girl has breasts (as do all) i think thats a non-issue globally speaking

<ofrnxmr> @ofrnxmr: Is this also sexualized?

<ofrnxmr> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Omg, women have breasts. Chop em off, asap. Get her a top surgery

<redsh4de:matrix.org> also @diego:cypherstack.com while i have u here, any design input from your side on my exchange page mockup?

<diego:cypherstack.com> The design is fine, but not really scalable if Monero gets a bunch more exchanges. That said, we can cross that bridge if we ever come to it with a redesign (we're nowhere close and won't be for a long time)

<ofrnxmr> @diego:cypherstack.com: tbf, we dont list every exchange (note mexc and gate are missing)

<321bob321> So we don't get sued when they block exiting

<diego:cypherstack.com> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/gSMiAJZIvxluAsOgfUPFdOGT.png (image.png)

<diego:cypherstack.com> finished illustration?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> lgtm, what about the paintery style u mentioned to make it more analog looking?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: what kind of layout would be more scalable? id want to future-proof the new site from the get go

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @diego:cypherstack.com: got a version with transparency?

<diego:cypherstack.com> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/VbLdNNfoIzvRPkGiAOjwYALj.png (image.png)

<diego:cypherstack.com> oh that's not the transparent version :P

<diego:cypherstack.com> that's with some screen glow

<diego:cypherstack.com> getting transparent version

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> :P i still don't like the ledger & trezor. Rest LGTM > <@diego:cypherstack.com> finished illustration?

<diego:cypherstack.com> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/cypherstack.com/xPPSDDOJNLOLNNKKTtuXkKFY.png (image.png)

<diego:cypherstack.com> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: yes, the ancillary stuff is secondary and will be worked on after human

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Deployed image on preview: beta.monerodevs.org

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Exchanges page: beta.monerodevs.org/get-started/exchanges