<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YwoNIoHCmAbPKJdEVTcaYgSO.png (image.png) > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Also need a link to the workgroups page

<redsh4de:matrix.org> cooked up the workgroups page while at it

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/SVjiHFKkpRYZnXMOgOZNSEyD.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> main hero section for absolute beginners, then the rest organized into columns

beta site was showing an nginx error page because i mis configured something else, back now

<321bob321> Naughty

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I would probably remove monero-space workgroup (afaik, its not relevant), add monero-events, add monero-docs, move policy out of research and into community, add research lounge link to research card

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> deploy-preview-2259--barolo-time-75…f9.netlify.app/community/workgroups

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (dont have to remove monero-space, i just dont think its in use)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> yeah just checked, not active

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> And forum has scams like forum.monero.space/t/coreswaps-non-…re-no-kyc-exchanges-adopt-this/2068

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/VrzbyXceZoLTUwnXMEDycYoV.png (image.png) > <@ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I would probably remove monero-space workgroup (afaik, its not relevant), add monero-events, add monero-docs, move policy out of research and into community, add research lounge link to research card

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero-support to community

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero-pow to research

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> idea: get rid of "seraphis wallet" card, and add #no-wallet-left-behind to the core development card

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> No-wallet-left-behind is a poor name, seraphis wallet is as well. As this room is used for fcmp++ related developments (seraphis has been shelved for years). There was loose consensus around renaming to monero-dev-lab (but it was never done)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> not sure what the best name would be for it ngl

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monero-project/meta #1054#issuecomment-2293932354

<redsh4de:matrix.org> eh loose consensus, good enough

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/iAyuLjojjXCXgEPWRyRsbwsu.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> deployed:

<redsh4de:matrix.org> beta.monerodevs.org/community/workgroups

<redsh4de:matrix.org> beta.monerodevs.org/community/hangouts

<syntheticbird> @redsh4de:matrix.org: looks fantastic

<redsh4de:matrix.org> thank you :D this is cleaner, adds context to what is what and doesn't overwhelm the user with just plain columns of cards

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i have about 4 pages left to complete

<redsh4de:matrix.org> and wire in localization for some i skipped, was too lazy to do it all at once

should I force push 2584? or not necessary?

selsta not needed, binaryFate can set the correct date for them after merging 🙏

e.g. _posts/2026-01-07-monero-0.18.4.5-released.md -> _posts/2026-01-10-monero-0.18.4.5-released.md

<redsh4de:matrix.org> sponsors page!

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/mYuBspZAzHCsvCLxmcTdOhXg.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> monochrome logos get inverted on dark theme with CSS filters

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ciJotvgAykRQtyALgipbBEam.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> making new pages after building a UI library is stupidly easy at this point

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Cypherstack's description shoukd probabky say "Monero Project infrastructure"

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (i know its probably also wrong on love website, but might as well fix now)

no-wallet-left=behind was chosen

*no-wallet-left-behind was the name chosen for the channel

what is being worked on there is the CARROT wallet

and ofc FCMP++

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Actually, rbrunner wanted to call it monero tech, and the meeting are called as much. The change (addition) of new addresses was just never done and it carried on as no-wallet-left-behind, even though it is much more than wallet work

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Nwlb was initially chosen as a room to ensure that ecosystem was properly updated, but the room is now used for all things fcmp++, carrot, and essentialy "next" development

*no-stone-left-unturned

<redsh4de:matrix.org> nicer call-to-action card to match the one from downloads instead of what-is-monero

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/dKJQdEievuGuomjWgNCyIEOL.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think i might like the centered one

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: I like nextra.site/docs/built-ins/callout#example

<basses:matrix.org> for asides, the one you have is good for call for action

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: have a very similar component to this in the UI library - currently using it for small disclaimers within specific sections

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/HkEHILajfCxXBrobuqdUDQuh.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: i think prob cause the spacing wasn't as polished

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/vVWIpmTGAmBjQpGnLVOreOlR.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> version with the button component

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QAYaZGtWyXEueZFzhQcMHCVa.png (image.png)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I like the button better 👍 (But probably still like it centered)

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats just my opinion. Im not thinking to deep on it

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Too*

<redsh4de:matrix.org> agree, button feels more call-to-action-ish

<redsh4de:matrix.org> centered variant of the same component

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/bnanViZavAlXKfwdJSvcDwZV.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/GCTRgKzWzWiBtZkiinAhUgzw.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> I guess that works nice too

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> That one has my vote

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Yeah, will merge this

<redsh4de:matrix.org> it will let me also use the same component in the what-is-monero page, although with some tweaks, as it needs two buttons

<redsh4de:matrix.org> alright we live beta.monerodevs.org/community/sponsorships

<redsh4de:matrix.org> on what-is-monero

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/ZYOxHKhdnakomwcGDYdLeXwq.png (image.png)

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: looks like a popup for newsletter

beta.monerodevs.org/downloads doesn't say what version you are actually downloading

after selecting the dropdown menu it stays open aka dropped down

<redsh4de:matrix.org> nioc: the version info is under the download button, w/ the source link and release notes

<redsh4de:matrix.org> nioc: have an open issue for this: redsh4de/monero-site #78

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: could be made more prominent though

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: border on top & bottom would make it look less so? (assuming thats a bad thing

<basses:matrix.org> nioc: it is mentioned below, adding it to dopdown is repeatitive

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YyDOidaTgcUprqjYhwqoPykb.png (clipboard.png)

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: idk tbh, reading it I literally thought it was a signup for something (newsletter etc)

<basses:matrix.org> perhaps rewording?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> yeah i can see how the wording can make it so

<redsh4de:matrix.org> maybe starting with "Download" instead of "Join", as the latter definitely can make you think its some "join my newsletter" blurb

I didn't scroll the page down far enough to see it and even so it should be more prominent

<redsh4de:matrix.org> nioc: two possible place where it could look better

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/QGxAPoNrjDeUlNDyySHKZaKa.png (image.png)

when I open page the download button touches the very bottom of the screen which is why I missed it

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: yeah "join" is usually used for subscribing to something

have to scroll past the DL button

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: "Download a wallet and take control of your financial privacy today." - option

<redsh4de:matrix.org> nioc: valid yeah, i'll see how it looks right aligned relative to the title

<basses:matrix.org> I dont mind the postion, right aligned is a bit far away that user reading it might not even notice it, I mean it is mentioned literally below the Download button, and on website you are expected to always download the latest version

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i like this too

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/WNKTvdJLuuXSEaDMqXdwchdN.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> keeping the version name under the button, but moving just the version to a version badge that's immediately visible

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: fluorine now looks like author name

<redsh4de:matrix.org> true, lemme just get rid of it

<redsh4de:matrix.org> or put it as a subtitle in the version badge

<basses:matrix.org> the only website that I know that uses edition names like monero does is linux mint

<basses:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/YXYiutTXaltwmIFKwNXRIQlq.png (clipboard.png)

<basses:matrix.org> linuxmint.com

<basses:matrix.org> thats how they put it

<basses:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: I would just put it as it was full text at top right

<basses:matrix.org> subtitle as below the version badge?

<basses:matrix.org> make actually look better

<redsh4de:matrix.org> yea changing stuff around to try that

<redsh4de:matrix.org> --font-size-xs or sm

<ofrnxmr> And ubuntu, and debian > <@basses:matrix.org> the only website that I know that uses edition names like monero does is linux mint

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/NAxbzwxEIJiHLoqmczqnNUWs.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> should be in quotes ig otherwise looks a bit authory as well

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/uwSEZJUjLKIBzWxfVxcnYwZT.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> alright we live: beta.monerodevs.org/downloads

hi

<redsh4de:matrix.org> hello!

I want to contribute to the monero website. I have some bigger changes planed. is there someone from the dev team here available to talk about it?

or should I just do a PR?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> if its regarding the current live website, then a PR is fine or opening a issue on github to discuss

<redsh4de:matrix.org> since it's a bigger change id probably open a issue first

I dont want to discuss endless I want to present something and get feedback.

the question is if I present it as a PR or as an external upload

<redsh4de:matrix.org> this channel would be it then

<redsh4de:matrix.org> open a PR in that case

yea I can do that. are you from the website team?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i am leading the development of the website redesign / migration to Astro - for the current one, the active maintainers are @plowsof:matrix.org @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx

I am a fan of monero and want to contribute to the project and the current website does not reflect the power of monero. I want to change that and offer my help to become responsible for the new website. I had to start from scratch and implement a new version with a new tech stack. before I migrate the entire content I wanted to know if my help is appriciated in the first place. here is a demo:

<ofrnxmr> beta.monerodevs.org

I have seen it already but it was offline yesterday.

<ofrnxmr> was technical difficulties. Its back online

so if my help is not welcomed its ok I dont continue contributing. its just an offer

<elongated:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: Is that the final design ?

<ofrnxmr> Near final, yes

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @elongated:matrix.org: there was consensus a good while ago already on the new design direction (design by Diego Salazar, Astro framework, no JavaScript)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> you are welcome to contribute to the current development effort though, its nearing completion but there are still a few pages and things that need to be complete

<ofrnxmr> rsch: Always welcome, but we're moving forward with the design at beta.monerodevs.org

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: iirc @diego:cypherstack.com wanted to make a new version of the hero section on the index page

<elongated:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: You need to get feedback from some ui professionals

<elongated:matrix.org> The small logo on top, a round monero bg looks weird and not standard

<elongated:matrix.org> Needs polish

<ofrnxmr> Its not final - not on monero-project repos and not deployed officially. feedback is being given and received daily

look to my draft and compare it with beta.monerodevs.org. I dont want to offend anyone but monero needs some extra. not just content displayed on a screen. it needs a wow effect.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: the round monero bg was that part

where is the current code of beta.monerodevs.org?

<elongated:matrix.org> rsch: You can work on current beta, polish it

<ofrnxmr> github.com/redsh4de/monero-site

<redsh4de:matrix.org> ^

I would like to change the start page. it looks like the next boring coin. monero needs some extra. are you ok with that?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> if wow effect means non-essential animations that take away the users attention, i'd personally be against that. minimalism is good

thats the problem with monero. its self centered. what you like is not what others like in mass. monero needs more attention. with a boring minimalistic approach you dont win anyone.

<elongated:matrix.org> rsch: It is a boring coin, it’s a currency; we don’t want animations for sure ; but current beta can be improved

<basses:matrix.org> looks vibecoded > <rsch> berlinersoftware.de/monero

<basses:matrix.org> also google fonts etc

<ofrnxmr> @basses:matrix.org: Of course it is

<basses:matrix.org> monero design is simple, js-less and without trackers, you can take a look at how the current design compared to other shitcoins website

what is wrong with AI?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: it does use typical v0.dev design patterns. overuse of gradients and glow effects

<basses:matrix.org> @basses:matrix.org: website design*

<basses:matrix.org> rsch: that we could have done it ourself (literally anyone)

<basses:matrix.org> why do you think we are doing it the way we are doing it rn?

no idea. lack of understanding, busy with other topics?

if you remember TJ? one of the biggest contributors in the npm world. look to his repo. no commits anymore. why? sometimes people stop caring.

<basses:matrix.org> current website doesnt look good but it served its time very well back then, hence the design we are currently working on > <rsch> thats the problem with monero. its self centered. what you like is not what others like in mass. monero needs more attention. with a boring minimalistic approach you dont win anyone.

<basses:matrix.org> rsch: lol wtf??

<redsh4de:matrix.org> feel free to fork the repo above, and do a PR for the src/pages/index.astro file > <rsch> I would like to change the start page. it looks like the next boring coin. monero needs some extra. are you ok with that?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> you should familiarize yourself with the codebase first, it uses the Astro javascript framework and has a localization framework, so should work within the already set up framework

<ofrnxmr> plowsof, are PR deployments setup?

I mean I dont want to waste my time contributing something if its rejected beause its not liked or its too animated. thats why I wanted to get feedback first

<ofrnxmr> well, this is a community project and website

<redsh4de:matrix.org> rsch: that's part of contributing, rarely will people like something you propose at the first time

<ofrnxmr> Nothing is accepted "just because you do it"

<redsh4de:matrix.org> thats why you should take in feedback, and iterate upon things until people do like it

<ofrnxmr> Just choosing the design beteeen 3 choices took months

ofrnxmr: are you sure? I had that strong feeling about

ofrnxmr checkbox is ticked for preview deployments but not confirmed

<ofrnxmr> We chose the one that redsh4de is working on like 6 months ago

redshade has their own previews set up though , can be seen at redsh4de/monero-site #102

I would like to make the start page more as a sales page to get a better conversion rate to get more acceptance.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> plowsof: yea, im not sure if these will work for non-owner PRs as it's under the Vercel Hobby plan

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i'll check

rsch you said "present it as a PR or as an external upload" -> do you have experience with git?

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: yeah it will work i just have to authorize the preview deployment manually

plowsof yes why

you know the answer then, open an issue and/or PR

plowsof where? there are two sources here. monero repo and the moenrodev repo

<redsh4de:matrix.org> rsch: github.com/redsh4de/monero-site

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Ctrl+U shows inlined SVG as well... 😬 > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> it does use typical v0.dev design patterns. overuse of gradients and glow effects

<redsh4de:matrix.org> The webpage must ship with no SVG content. Icons must use .avif files through the MaskIcon component for monochrome icons, and ColorIcon for colored ones

yea I thought its the best to have them inline

and with overuse I dont agree. it looks more fancy exactly what you need in my opinion.

bloom/glow plugin for quake 1 to make graphics better maybe but im getting a headache trying to read things

I am not here to argue but in my opinion monero needs a more salsy approach. it has something to offer. its not just falsy sales

the problem is why should I contribute anything if my approach is not welcomed? thats why I wanted to come here and ask first. my point is to make the new monero design more entertaining. the question is if the value is seen and appriciated or you just want to stick with the minimal boring approach? so can you give me some contructive feedback to my current design: berlinersoftware.de/monero

what I can plan to do is to make a PR to redesign the start page. its better than the current one but still can improved. ofc it will have more glow and animation. if that is not welcomed in the first place I can leave it how it is

in the end its a community project but currently 5 contributors desice what is merged and what not

and I dont think "community" will change that

<redsh4de:matrix.org> rsch: if you have a idea for the index page, definitely do a PR to it so we can see how it would look

berlinersoftware.de/monero this is my idea

do you think it goes in the right direction or not?

its everything i dont like about sites such as retoswap.com amplified about 3x

<ofrnxmr> ofrnxmr says: No

I can agree that a blog page should be simpler because you read text. the focus is more on content and less on animations and distraction. but the first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it?

bloom/glare, rain flowing upwards, text fading in _whilst_ moving upwards

<ofrnxmr> rsch: i don't agree

<ofrnxmr> Maybe wownero.org

ofrnxmr: you dont think that a high converting sales page is better for moneros popularity? something that makes visitors converting into users using monero?

<ofrnxmr> I think your design isnt as good as wownero.org's

ok interesting to know

then I dont know how to help you

just moving content from one cornor to another is not something that will help a lot

how does it work here? if you have different views on a topic. do you vote or do you follow what the core says?

@plowsof: but it looks impressive is not?

i mean for a quake1 graphics upgrade mod with bloom and glare :D

what do you mean?

<ofrnxmr> rsch: We vote

too extreme for me

<ofrnxmr> so far, including your vote, its: 1 ack, 2 nack

<syntheticbird> > first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it? > <rsch> I can agree that a blog page should be simpler because you read text. the focus is more on content and less on animations and distraction. but the first visit needs to have a wow. do you agree with it?

<syntheticbird> I agree with it

<ofrnxmr> A wownero? I agree

no not a shit coin

<syntheticbird> yeah no sorry oh my god > <rsch> berlinersoftware.de/monero this is my idea

<syntheticbird> I don't like it

<ofrnxmr> 1 ack, 3 nack

syntheticbird what do you not like exactly?

too big letters?

<syntheticbird> respectfully for your effort, rsch, it sure looks like detailed and complete but I don't like the blooming color. Every elements also seems way too present/big. it gives me gambling site vibes, even tho i'm sure this wasn't your intention

i dont agree with gambling. gambling is very mixed color. that page is very straight. clear color plate. do you have an example that you like to get a better impression or which direction you guys prefere

<ofrnxmr> Beta.monerodevs.org < example

<syntheticbird> I mean, it's my impression, there is no agreement to be made.

<syntheticbird> tho I hear your argument

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Some things i personally don't like:

<redsh4de:matrix.org> 1. Should use the official Monero logo, the off-color one is a non-starter imo

<redsh4de:matrix.org> 2. too much animations, translucency and CIA-tier glowing that distract the user. animations & effects should be used thoughtfully so the page does not look like a red light district. Or at least disable them with users that have prefers-reduced-motion: true enabled.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> 2.1. Ends up looking fully AI generated due to the typical website AI design patterns above[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2brzmdsKY0d3aFdH ]

<ofrnxmr> Things i dont like:

<ofrnxmr> 1. Youre 9 months late on design

<ofrnxmr> 2. Youre 4 months late on implementation

<ofrnxmr> 3. Its ugly imo, like a neon website from 2003 but with 2008 styling[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/z8iCmtsKTDF1NWZS ]

<redsh4de:matrix.org> 6. there is no reason why the subtitle and eyebrow should transition in after load on pages. that's just too much effects for the sake of it, another AI pattern

<redsh4de:matrix.org> 7. things like these are redundant, i'd get rid of the top bubble

<redsh4de:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/DBKPsjqpeFtJhWykkbIeXxpD.png (image.png)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @ofrnxmr: not pertaining to design but a monolith of styles.css is also a non-starter, yeah: berlinersoftware.de/monero/css/style.css

<redsh4de:matrix.org> that's one thing we're moving away from in the new design. globals.css only defines colors and variables, components and pages have their own scoped CSS for maintainability

<syntheticbird> LONG LIVE ASTRO

<redsh4de:matrix.org> LONG LIVE ASTRO

<redsh4de:matrix.org> ALL HAIL FRED SCHOTT

<syntheticbird> ALL HAIL FRED SCHOTT

never forget custom.css

<ofrnxmr> LONG LIVE JEKYLL

<syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr: # NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

<ofrnxmr> @ofrnxmr: wrong room?

<syntheticbird> correct room but 10 years late

<random123.:matrix.org> > beta.monerodevs.org

<random123.:matrix.org> who's idea was it to have "isabella" in there? this bish ugly af ngl

<random123.:matrix.org> monerochan been the mascot of monero for as long as the community can remember:

<random123.:matrix.org> monerochan.art/[... more lines follow, see mrelay.p2pool.observer/e/2uzzmtsKUkx5T29t ]

<random123.:matrix.org> also, why no dark mode in 2026? this shi blasted my eyes

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @random123.:matrix.org: there is dark mode if your browser is set to dark mode

<redsh4de:matrix.org> it adapts to your system/browser theme

<random123.:matrix.org> no toggle button top right tho

<random123.:matrix.org> xmrchat has the toggle thing

<random123.:matrix.org> invidious has the toggle thing

<redsh4de:matrix.org> not possible without JavaScript or generating completely seperate pages for dark/light, and JavaScript is a non starter

<random123.:matrix.org> oh, got it, noJS, aight no worries there

<random123.:matrix.org> isabella a dumb choice tho

<syntheticbird> @random123.:matrix.org: it's been discussed extensively

<syntheticbird> don't worry, it was controversial

<syntheticbird> so it's not dumb

<redsh4de:matrix.org> that has been a controversial choice yeah, but so far the only option that has been proposed/shipped by anyone

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: but yeah i guess if you are on Tor Browser this wont work, as i dont think it passes prefers-color-theme CSS

<redsh4de:matrix.org> everywhere else though light/dark will be based on if your system theme is light or dark

<random123.:matrix.org> i read through it, was pretty much just rehrar being a dumbass techbro silicon valley wanna be "inclusive" this bish not inclusive to no one, she only inclusive to the techbros that wanna be like they inclusive LMAO

<random123.:matrix.org> monerochan ftw

<syntheticbird> alr now i'm convinced you're just a troller

<syntheticbird> go fuck yourself

<random123.:matrix.org> ok retarded bird that doxxed kewbit

since cats rule the internet why not Cat as a mascot if we really need one

<redsh4de:matrix.org> could maybe host a mascot competition/vote, like libreoffice did a few years back

<random123.:matrix.org> or honestly even john mcafee that is ded would be better than isabella at this point tbh... just sayin...

<random123.:matrix.org> just look how handsome he is in there:

<random123.:matrix.org> mrelay.p2pool.observer/m/matrix.org/MAYCjsBGdzcBHDvTdLjTjwSU.png (image.png)

<random123.:matrix.org> very handsome

<random123.:matrix.org> but yea, why not a reddit vote, "monerochan, cats, isabella, mcafee [...]"

<syntheticbird> reddit vote are easily biased through bots, weeks of the day and generally weak sampling. I'm all for exploring other solutions, but that should be done in chat. cc @ofrnxmr:monero.social @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx

<random123.:matrix.org> anyways @redsh4de:matrix.org thx for taking on the website rework, i too broke to donate to your ccs but hope you can get it fully funded, which iirc bf did most of the donation on it, havent checked in awhile but it didnt move so... yea, hope you can get the funding on that, u been consistent working on it

<random123.:matrix.org> yea fair, voting are being gamed... but imo it should still be a community decision rather than a rehrar decision that was able to have the louder voice on isabella

<syntheticbird> @random123.:matrix.org: If you are convinced that others arguments weren't heard, this can be brought during a larger community meeting.

<syntheticbird> but this will quickly circle around what has already been said

<syntheticbird> oh he quit

<syntheticbird> let's go

<syntheticbird> plowsof's banhammer should be the mascot

<321bob321> Wes inclusive

<redsh4de:matrix.org> sounds like a announcing a meeting in the website workgroup at some future date could do the trick, and spreading it through the active social channels > <@syntheticbird> reddit vote are easily biased through bots, weeks of the day and generally weak sampling. I'm all for exploring other solutions, but that should be done in chat. cc @ofrnxmr:monero.social @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx

<redsh4de:matrix.org> people could join, propose their designs, mockups and stuff

<redsh4de:matrix.org> we do have talented artists in the community from what ive seen but i doubt many are even aware a new website is underway

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but that's if people really really don't like having isabella as a mascot

<random1234.:matrix.org> > this can be brought during a larger community meeting

<random1234.:matrix.org> if you refering to #monero-community then this is not monero community

<random1234.:matrix.org> it's just a very few people echochamber

<random1234.:matrix.org> anyways, said my piece, u can thor hammer this one too @plowsof:matrix.org

thanks for ping will do

<321bob321> Sad

I still have no idea why we need a mascot

<plowsof:matrix.org> if i was president there would be no mascot or anything on the site cus it only gives people a chance to complain bout something

<redsh4de:matrix.org> since the website is kind of designed to be more user friendly and welcoming, having a consistent character/mascot to complement guiding texts (like in accept-monero, index page's get started, knowledge base) does a lot for that aspect

<redsh4de:matrix.org> can also just go with some soulless blob characters but thats corporate tier and soulless imo

<ofrnxmr> @plowsof:matrix.org: Plowsof is just mad because they didnt choose my duck

<hbs:matrix.org> isn't Monerochan the über Monero mascot already?

<ofrnxmr> It's ok. We'll get 'em next time

<ofrnxmr> @hbs:matrix.org: Monerochan is sexist and haram

<syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr: this

<syntheticbird> so much true

<syntheticbird> (i wanted monero chan)

ofrn onlyducks ducksonly.com

<lol_actually_same:matrix.org> > I still have no idea why we need a mascot

<lol_actually_same:matrix.org> lol actually same, monero has a logo, it dont even need a mascot on the website

<lol_actually_same:matrix.org> > since the website is kind of designed to be more user friendly and welcoming

<lol_actually_same:matrix.org> so is retoswap, and yet, no mascot there, dont need it, which funny cause rsch proposed design looks very similar to retoswap's website too

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @hbs:matrix.org: Well, yes, its the most recognizable one and if everyone was based i'd be all for it

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Issue is not everyone is based or entrenched in the monero community as we are, the site is public facing and mainly newcomers and people with no context would benefit from it

<redsh4de:matrix.org> monerochan is both a mascot and a sex symbol in the monero community so that alone imo disqualifies it for a globally facing page (same as john mcaffee etc)

<321bob321> Mascot makes it look childish

<ofrnxmr> As far as xxxmrchan being a sex symbol/, thats only with some of theore weird ppl

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i think its a fine line, if you do overuse it then it does make the site feel like its for kids

<ofrnxmr> The more*

<ofrnxmr> Some of which also like child versions of monerochan, and furry versions

<ofrnxmr> Some people will sexualize anything

<syntheticbird> I mean at this point I might just give out the work of @vostoemisio:matrix.org I paid him for

<syntheticbird> there are some nice assets but I wanted to keep them for the CCS revamp

<syntheticbird> yeah ok nvm that is very different from what is currently shown in the website

<syntheticbird> @redsh4de:matrix.org: i'll dm you the picture just so you tell me if you think it is usable

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: nvm this makes it sound like john mcaffee is a sex symbol

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but you know what i mean

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @syntheticbird: sure thing, lets see

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<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> SFW monerochans

<syntheticbird> monerochan is a sex symbol in the community is like saying the community is composed of sexually enraged individuals

<syntheticbird> funny yes

<syntheticbird> but false

<redsh4de:matrix.org> true lol, but even on pages like monerochan.art a big part of them are "risque" designs and usually what gets shared the most on social media which over time can give that association

<redsh4de:matrix.org> again this is just me making a case for why not

<321bob321> anime fetish site ?

<ofrnxmr> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Hey, people commission whatever they want. Some of those are crossovers with wownero (where wownerochan is obviously sexualized)

<ofrnxmr> The wallet-cli lockscreen for wownero is monerochan.art/commissions/wownero_leash.png

<redsh4de:matrix.org> lovely lmao

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but yeah, at the end of the day it can just be some neutral plain guy/girl thing for storytelling in guides as well (wouldnt be my first choice but still)

<ofrnxmr> @redsh4de:matrix.org: Ascii art :')

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: or if a clean sfw monerochan design can be made which still can be public facing with a modicum of mass appeal but still easily recognizable as monerochan i'd go for that mby

<redsh4de:matrix.org> thatd be my first choice as at the end of the day - it is the most recognizable character associated with monero

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but yeah, i still like this idea as perspectives are different and having many differing perspectives can help narrow down to one over time > <@redsh4de:matrix.org> sounds like a announcing a meeting in the website workgroup at some future date could do the trick, and spreading it through the active social channels

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> monerochan: brunette with orange layered hair

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i mean thats basically it right

<redsh4de:matrix.org> just have to NOT put her in a pole dancer outfit for the public facing page and we good imo

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So you want her to be nude? Noted

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> (im joking)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i mean...

<redsh4de:matrix.org> :^)

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but anyway like i said, if a globally-inclusive monerochan variant can be made for the page to complement guide texts that would be a winner imo

<syntheticbird> @redsh4de:matrix.org: fuck it

<syntheticbird> I'll say it

<syntheticbird> Make an astro component at the top with minimal javascript that only display itself if javascript is enabled. If it appear the toggle change the css color-scheme attribute

<syntheticbird> i want a toggle

<syntheticbird> I NEED A TOGGLE

<syntheticbird> I'll kill every single js haters

<syntheticbird> it's no malware, it will work perfectly without

<redsh4de:matrix.org> can def do that, just not sure how strict the "no JavaScript" requirement is

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i assumed max strictness so currently if there is a single script tag or inline js anywhere in the build output the entire build will be rejected and banished to the shadow realm

<syntheticbird> There are contributors that disable javascript entirely (Tor Browser in Safest mode). I'll The "no javascript" rule is there because if you rely on javascript this quickly spiral down into security implications, supply chain attack, injections, etc... But such widget is like 10 line of raw inlined js that would be reviewed. And the rest of the website will work perfectly without js.

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Yeah i def think its reasonable to add

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i can add a exception to that one file, so that there is kind of a JS whitelist

<syntheticbird> that would be awesome

<syntheticbird> Last time I asked about the js stance, there were basically absolute haters and absolute lovers

<syntheticbird> I ignored the latter, and disagree with the first

<syntheticbird> because I wanted to have JS for the CCS revamp and people were complaining that it should work without js, but they were already using Gitlab so...

<redsh4de:matrix.org> well yeah, since the page itself already relies on no JS

<redsh4de:matrix.org> having a optional widget only for people that have JS enabled makes sense

<syntheticbird> indeed. That's seen as a security downgrade for many

<syntheticbird> and I can understand it

<syntheticbird> as i understand it, the js strictness boils down to "we never used js before, monero is also for paranoid people, and paranoid people reject js like the pest, we shouldn't enforce it on them"

<syntheticbird> but since it's optional, i think we can break the law

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> I think the main thing is that the website must function filly w/o js

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Adding a js toggle is, imo, acceptable

<redsh4de:matrix.org> Yeah, it makes sense to have the website not be dependant on JS

<redsh4de:matrix.org> but if its something optional that sits on top of an already aggressively no-JS codebase - thats fine

<syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: ngl i was afraid you would be against smh

<redsh4de:matrix.org> alright bet, will add a toggle with persistence then

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> docs website has a toggle, but the toggle disappears when nojs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> The search also disappears when nojs

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> So its not unheard of

<ofrnxmr:xmr.mx> Just dont want any js that someone would complain about

<redsh4de:matrix.org> guhh

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i'll have to change my prefers-color-scheme setup to something else to work with the toggle

<redsh4de:matrix.org> JS cannot override it

<syntheticbird> @ofrnxmr:xmr.mx: Right. I think the only sensible solution for no js is to patch the web browser into enforcing dark mode first on getmonero.org

<redsh4de:matrix.org> basically what im doing, but it looks like i'll have to duplicate the dark mode CSS variables twice

<redsh4de:matrix.org> which works but i hate duplication

<redsh4de:matrix.org> once for the no-js fallback (prefers-color-scheme), and one for JS-friendly (data-theme)

<syntheticbird> no no no

<syntheticbird> you don't need to

<syntheticbird> if you used light-dark css function all you need to do is to change the document css colorScheme to "light" or "dark" instead of the hardcoded "light dark"

<redsh4de:matrix.org> will look into that, ive been putting variables in prefers-color-scheme blocks

<syntheticbird> OOF

<redsh4de:matrix.org> light-dark's relatively new?

<syntheticbird> relatively new but supported everywhere

<redsh4de:matrix.org> havent heard of it before

<redsh4de:matrix.org> will check mdn

<syntheticbird> that's what I've been using for my CCS revamp

are we pretending like any js on getmonero no matter how small will be well received and putting deelopment hours into it? 😆

<syntheticbird> plowsof: The disinformation and propaganda department are paid for a reason

add js to the mascot so she winks, lets go all in

<syntheticbird> We will brainwash the community into liking these 10 lines of dangerous javascript

<redsh4de:matrix.org> @redsh4de:matrix.org: okay yeah this is epic

<syntheticbird> @redsh4de:matrix.org: i know right

<syntheticbird> hold on

<redsh4de:matrix.org> i can both reduce LOC in my global.css AND make it toggleable via JS

<syntheticbird> oh shit i transferred it

<syntheticbird> yeah exactly

<syntheticbird> I defined all my color theme into single css variables that change with light-dark

<redsh4de:matrix.org> kk gimme like 15-20