yeah, desktop app seems to accept lws backend

i think there's quirkiness in their logic though, keep getting prompted to import

.faucet

N​orkle: How many chars in​ women

5

Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000017 XMR to Norkle [df0ffcc9] Wait ≈23 hrs 59 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01530947

lza_menace: the Let's Encrypt cert is valid for the domain you're using? and the app crashes anyway?

lza_menace: prompted to import is a known issue, i'm afraid. i think you can work around it by deleting the wallet from your app and then adding it again

Correct, iOS crashing at the import prompt. Desktop working as expected though

twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1203709575226183683

Last time I got an award like that was in a primary school football team. It had three stars too and said that I'm special :')

I just binned it though instead of showing it off to naive groupies. What kind of preson takes a group achievement award and presents it as a proof of their individual prowess anyway?

gingeropolous: Hi, it appears that your node is stuck on 2389912.

Steven_M: which node exactly?

gingeropolous: selsta: oh, it's working now :)

node.moneroworld.com is a node aggregator

how do I get the exact node for you?

don't find any node at this height there

oh, oh well

05:25 < AdorableTanuki[m]> Is there a libera chat version of this channel on Matrix? I can't seem to find one but I am sure there is one somewhere. in ol place, confusing p

clear

I bought some XMR from a KYC source, I have now moved it away from the wallet address that I gave to the KYC, how many churns should I do now to maintain OPSEC?

Steven_M, just moving it off of the KYC source is enough.

No churning necessary.

When you receive Monero the sender is also hidden. So the person you send your XMR too will not know the address (your address) that it was sent from.

(too = to)

Mochi101: cool, thanks. :) I've never bought from KYC before. Why do some people churn, what is churning for?

Steven_M, well... I guess it gives added security. Depends on who you think is trying to see your transactions. If it's a 3 letter government agency with a lot of resources and you're particularly at risk - you might want to churn. I think churning also helps the network because there's more activity and transactions - making it more difficult for an adversary to trace things.

Do you think that you are too intelligent to be in a cult? Then I would encourage you to look into how any other cult works. They aren't populated by stupid people. Aum Shinrikyo was almost exclusively university professors and graduates. For Pete's sake - they had the know-how and means to make WMDs.

As to Monero, I would encourage you to look at Jonestown mass-suicide. You know why Jones killed them all? Because he was afraid he is loosing control over them. People like that will burn everything around them rather than give up control. Being smart doesn't make you immune to being in a cult. This is the most valuable lesson Monero taught me.

geez

that was something

but hey, i've joined now

Hey :)

hey :)

.duckcall

muhkey: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'

.bang

muhkey: YOU GOT HIM! Time: ≈4.83 sec Lucky Duck! You get 0.00000005 XMR! [3e8883a7] Ratio: 1 of 1 Bullets: 1 of 2

uwu

.bef

Mochi101: Thanks for explaining again. :-) Sorry for my late very reply, I was AFK.

.beg

p​arazyd: What is sq​rt of ONE

1

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Remember kids. If you call project coral reef for what it is - fluffypony embezzling half a mil usd from the monero fund for a website with smaller adoption than monero woo plugin, you will get excommunicated. Why do you think charities need Teslas? They don't and Elon won't support Monero 150k will sure buy a lot of party time for those that actually do get it.

Did that hit a nerve fluffypony ?

lol ;)

j/k

project coral reef was definitely worth it - did anybody see the mastobong? shop.mastodonrocks.com/collections/accessories/products/mastobong

i mean, cmon

"mastobong"

wtf

With the Mastobong title and the Mastodon logo together like that I read Mastodong...

this is bad marketing :D

lol lza_menace

"easy to disassemble"

can confirm ;) - thanks for the work there, fluffypony

I wonder how many people see the Mastobong page and think it has something to do with masturbation.

mastodon?

Yes, it's Mastodon stuff.

Oh, are you asking if I'm talking about Mastodon?

I'm talking about Mastobong.

apotheon: who says it doesn't have to do with that? looks like a dual-use technology to me

exciting

side note, Mastodon is awesome

ndorf: What's awesome about Mastodon?

good music. IMHO, of course

err

I thought we were talking about the federated Twitter-like thing.

there is a band named Mastodon, and their merch shop is what you linked to

oh

I didn't realize that.

All this time, I just assumed it was the Twitterish thing.

predates that by a couple of decades.

It wasn't me who linked to it.

oh, sorry

I'm aware of the band preceding the Twitterish thing.

I just didn't realize that was the band site.

I didn't look very closely.

yeah i like the band so i instantly recognized the logo

ndorf: \m/

my favorite band

so good!

apotheon: federation is awesome

but what's also awesome is that it uses a widely adopted protcol, activitypub

which means that you can use a mastodon account to comment on, follow, etc. on many other kinds of services

like peertube, a federated video sharing platform

Pixy: Federation isn't as good as full decentralization, all else being equal.

. . . but yeah, it can be good, certainly.

Wouldn't full decentralization just be everyone running their own solo instance, which a rPi h=can handle for Pleroma

the problem is that not all else can always be equal. particularly for a twitter-like service with many one-to-many messages pushed to occasional onlookers, a fully decentralized model has challenges

Full decentralization would probably involve everyone's instance hosting its own content, and the nodes linking together to provide mutual context -- ideally with some kind of replication to provide continuity despite drop-outs.

That kind of decentrlized architecture wouldn't require anyone to host a heavyweight server instance, which distributed/federated systems require.

(though "distributed" is a much more malleable term in some ways, and perhaps I should've left it out)

You just described the fediverse where everyone operates a solo instance, for the most part

the chat is now not synced to device B

My Pleroma instance propagates content from other instances and all

it can't obtain it from the person to whom i was chatting, since it can't have come to know who that was and where to find them from device A

person P doesn't know where device B is at, so they can't push the chat history

Pixy: thus the need for replication, as indicated above

so B pretty much remains stuck without this chat history until A is turned on again

of course, the chat is already replicated across the two nodes that were involved

replicating all chatrooms arbitrarily across nodes has some serious disadvantages when it comes to network/disk usage, and you also wouldn't be able to just find those arbitrary nodes

Do you realize a blockchain is a (somewhat heavy, but illustrative) means of achieving the kind of replication I'm talking about?

distributing some sort of a cache or addresses to a set of public nodes that are known by every other node would mitigate this problem, but it would end up adding a centralized component into the mix

namely this list

so that would have to be agreed upon in some sort of a decentralized manner, and that's very difficult to do

<apotheon "Do you realize a blockchain is a"> blockchain is full data replication across all nodes

or just use something like a "six degrees" search for an appropriately signed cache

that's completely unrealistic for a chatting system

There are myriad approaches to ensuring some level of replication accessibility, with different approaches being better for different use cases.

remote nodes also give some cryptos an element of federation :P

sure

but non-dentralized federation isn't decentralized, tautologically

oh yeah matrix is trash in that regard

and i suppose the fact that that sort of situation can come about is a good argument against federation as a whole

Ceteris paribus, decentralization is better. All else is not equal in practice, which requires coming up with way to prioritize various characteristics of a distributed system, and select appropriate mechanisms to achieve those characteristics.

A lot more decentralization can be achieved in a reasonable manner than people usually set out to achieve.

. . . so maybe we should keep in mind that decentralization is not only better (all else being equal) but also not an all-or-nothing proposition, and we can often do better if people are willing to try.

that's fair

Note, for instance, how many people just saw Signal and stopped trying to do better.

Guess what: Signal's centralization is a heap of bad news.

People are starting to realize that now, but when I realized it years ago nobody cared.

argh

frustrated

need to go back to mostly-not-caring

much more soothing

very true, sadly

i have to go finish writing this literature review though

ciao!

ta