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27 Jul 2021

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• 00:21
  riceandbeans
  I don't imagine too much would need to be done to get it to build on DragonFly BSD too...
• 00:24
  apotheon
  probably easier than adapting FreeBSD methods to OpenBSD
• 05:50
  Metamorphosis
  Hello guys
• 05:51
  Metamorphosis
  I need some monero. I have some doge to trade for monero. If you want doge for your monero please let me know. ty
• 06:12
  apotheon
  .faucet
• 06:12
  Wallet
  ap​otheon: How many characters in laug​h
• 06:12
  apotheon
  5
• 06:12
  Wallet
  apotheon: @bonuspot tipped 0.000035 XMR to apotheon [7c917227] Wait ≈23 hrs 56 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01378437
• 06:53
  apotheon
  There are almost 100 more people in this channel than #ethereum. I attribute that to a greater affinity for IRC amongst Monero-ers.
• 06:53
  apotheon
  g'night
• 07:22
  Inge
  .faucet
• 07:22
  Wallet
  I​nge: How many ​chars in us
• 07:22
  Inge
  2
• 07:22
  Wallet
  Inge: @bonuspot tipped 0.000005 XMR to Inge [c21c20aa] Wait ≈1 day 11 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01377937
• 08:31
  Norkle
  .faucet
• 08:31
  Wallet
  N​orkle: How many characters in tra​il
• 08:31
  Norkle
  5
• 08:31
  Wallet
  Norkle: @bonuspot tipped 0.000009 XMR to Norkle [746fad46] Wait ≈23 hrs 53 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01377037
• 08:46
  Metamorphosis
  .duckcall
• 08:46
  Wallet
  Metamorphosis: ・゜゜・。。​・゜゜(')> 🦆 'QUACK QUACK!!'
• 08:47
  Metamorphosis
  .befr
• 08:47
  Wallet
  Metamorphosis: HE GOBBLED THE TREAT! Time: ≈12.71 sec Ratio: 153 of 171 Treats: 1 of 2
• 14:59
  Seraph-LaoDa
  .faucet
• 14:59
  Wallet
  Se​raph-LaoDa: How ​many chars in team
• 15:00
  Seraph-LaoDa
  4
• 15:00
  Wallet
  Seraph-LaoDa: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000004 XMR to Seraph-LaoDa [1953b9e8] Wait ≈23 hrs 57 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376997
• 15:13
  Mochi101
  .faucet
• 15:13
  Wallet
  Mo​chi101: How many letters in gri​n
• 15:13
  Mochi101
  4
• 15:13
  Wallet
  Mochi101: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000031 XMR to Mochi101 [4f9fa14a] Wait ≈1 day 12 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376687
• 16:42
  riceandbeans
  .faucet
• 16:42
  Wallet
  ri​ceandbeans: Ho​w many letters in glue
• 16:42
  riceandbeans
  4
• 16:42
  Wallet
  riceandbeans: @bonuspot tipped 0.0000004 XMR to riceandbeans [603560e7] Wait ≈1 day 51 sec before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376647
• 17:35
  apotheon
  tftc.io/martys-bent/issue-1031-some…makers-want-to-outlaw-proof-of-work
• 17:35
  apotheon
  "Some EU Lawmakers want to outlaw Proof of Work"
• 17:35
  apotheon
  It'd be interesting to see how they'd define PoW in law.
• 18:55
  ndorf
  "Work? That's not something I've ever had to do in my life, let's ban it"
• 18:58
  Metamorphosis
  anybody wants my doge for their xmr?
• 19:04
  burp
  you can still do work, as long as it's unprovable
• 19:40
  apotheon
  ndorf: nice analysis
• 19:42
  ndorf
  :)
• 19:51
  ndorf
  apotheon: monero-project/monero #7812
• 19:52
  apotheon
  nice
• 19:53
  selsta
  OpenBSD uses OpenSSL before 1.0.2? Isn't that a security issue in itself?
• 19:53
  selsta
  Thanks for the fix ndorf.
• 19:53
  ndorf
  no, OpenBSD uses LibreSSL
• 19:53
  selsta
  Ok I misread :)
• 19:54
  ndorf
  :)
• 19:55
  apotheon
  I've heard that OpenSSL started fixing some of its utterly broken BS after that whole Heartbleed fiasco. Did the project get new maintainers, or at least new active contributors?
• 19:56
  apotheon
  If it's just the same people . . . did they invest a lot in learning how to better maintain it?
• 19:57
  apotheon
  I'm curious about how they suddenly started dealing with problems in the crufty old codebase.
• 20:02
  ndorf
  it's definitely more active since the heartbleed days, whether or not it's sufficiently so i couldn't say
• 20:11
  hyc
  they got a bunch of corporate sponsors to pony up cash for some fulltime employees
• 20:12
  hyc
  so it's no longer just volunteers, and it operates as a formal organization now
• 20:12
  hyc
  from what I've seen on the mailing lists, most of the original project members are still around
• 20:32
  apotheon
  hyc: interesting, thanks
• 20:40
  riceandbeans
  tbh there was a lot riding on openssl
• 20:40
  riceandbeans
  There's actually a problem in the ports system at this point of libressl versioning and sometimes requiring openssl
• 20:40
  riceandbeans
  It makes my eyes bleed
• 20:41
  apotheon
  eyebleed
• 20:44
  riceandbeans
  libera.monerologs.net/monero/20210727
• 20:44
  riceandbeans
  good lord that's creepy
• 20:46
  apotheon
  What's creepy?
• 20:47
  apotheon
  . . . public logs?
• 20:47
  riceandbeans
  Yeah
• 20:47
  riceandbeans
  In general
• 20:47
  apotheon
  It's a public channel, so you should always assume someone may be sharing logs.
• 20:47
  apotheon
  . . . even in channels where it's supposedly against the rules.
• 20:48
  apotheon
  It can be creepy, though.
• 20:48
  riceandbeans
  I assume all things are logged, generally.
• 20:49
  riceandbeans
  Doesn't mean it's not creepy :)
• 20:49
  apotheon
  agreed
• 20:49
  apotheon
  20:48 < apotheon> It can be creepy, though.
• 20:49
  riceandbeans
  s/can be/is
• 20:49
  riceandbeans
  annnnnnyway
• 21:05
  selsta
  ndorf: can you check if compile still works on openbsd after the recent merges on master or release-v0.17?
• 21:05
  selsta
  we had some cmake changes
• 21:12
  thecure
  .beg
• 21:12
  Wallet
  t​hecure: How long ​is the string CSTL
• 21:12
  thecure
  4
• 21:12
  Wallet
  thecure: @bonuspot tipped 0.000003 XMR to thecure [6f40931a] Wait ≈23 hrs 58 min before trying again. @bonuspot: 0.01376347
• 22:10
  ndorf
  selsta: release-v0.17 8b63bb3c7 succeeded on OpenBSD/amd64 6.8. stay tuned for master
• 22:15
  ndorf
  er, nevermind. master fails to link miniupnpc
• 22:16
  selsta
  Fails to link miniupnpc? Don't think anything changed in that regard.
• 22:16
  ndorf
  paste.debian.net/1205800 :\
• 22:17
  ndorf
  bunch of missing symbols, all of them should be in libc i think
• 22:17
  selsta
  And it worked on release?
• 22:17
  selsta
  Did you fetch latest release branch?
• 22:17
  ndorf
  yep
• 22:17
  ndorf
  yep, 8b63bb3c7
• 22:18
  selsta
  yes
• 22:29
  ndorf
  it works against de3456e12 (july 10th), so it must be one of the recent changes. i'll track down the exact commit
• 22:30
  selsta
  I know the commit most likely
• 22:31
  ndorf
  ah, which is it?
• 22:31
  selsta
  monero-project/monero #7692
• 22:32
  selsta
  master and release-v0.17 have a different miniupnpc submodule version so that's probably why it works on release
• 22:32
  ndorf
  d'oh
• 22:51
  ndorf
  selsta: after reverting #7692, it fails a little bit later with paste.debian.net/1205803
• 22:52
  selsta
  we fixed that one monero-project/monero #7813
• 23:04
  selsta
  ndorf: it's some weirdness of openbsd mesonbuild/meson #3570
• 23:04
  selsta
  we will disable "no undefined symbols" for openbsd
• 23:08
  apotheon
  eager to see how long it'll take to get to the point of considering pledge/unveil support
• 23:21
  selsta
  ndorf: monero-project/monero #7814
• 23:26
  ndorf
  selsta: nice. thanks
• 23:27
  ndorf
  apotheon: why don't you take a crack at it, you can use the AppArmor work from some months ago as a guide :)
• 23:28
  apotheon
  I'm already overcommitted, and I've never worked on anything like porting or pledge support for OpenBSD.
• 23:29
  apotheon
  I also haven't written any C++ in over a decade, and what I've written in the past was pretty light.
• 23:30
  ndorf
  they're C functions and would be called at the beginning of main() so you could pretend it's C, not C++ :)
• 23:35
  selsta
  ndorf: do you have a chance to test the fix?
• 23:38
  ndorf
  selsta: will do shortly
• 23:38
  selsta
  thanks
• 23:52
  ndorf
  looks promising, 63% (further than before)
• 23:54
  selsta
  ok then please approve it on github
• 23:55
  selsta
  7814 7815
• 23:55
  ndorf
  minor note, the `clean` target doesn't work there because the `read -p <prompt>` param is not supported by its /bin/sh.
• 23:55
  ndorf
  not sure if that's in POSIX (making it openbsd's fault) or not (our fault)