Someone into Monero should take the name "neromancer", or perhaps moneromancer.

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N​orkle: How many digit​s is 6424

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Did you anybody here wanted pure docker equivalent for gitian reproducible builds ? There is something to test

* ... want pure ...

wow nitter.net/ahcastor/status/1422300234403614738 From his extradition detention doc: "Spagni also represents a danger to the community. See, e.g., United States v. Reynolds, 956 F.2d 192, 192 (9th Cir. 1992) (noting that "danger may, at least in some cases, encompass pecuniary or economic harm").

Either this arrest truly is about payback for monero existing afterall or they were worried about his commit access to the monero repo, which I happily see has been revoked ;P

(him being ostensibly an embezzler and all)

If the watch in that photo is 800K, I'm confused as to why someone would intentionally spend 800K for a watch that looks like that.

here we go, a closeup: watchesbysjx.com/wp-content/uploads…RM-70-01-Tourbillon-Alain-Prost.jpg

apparently

That thing's hideous.

one man's trash is another man's $800k treasure ;)

yep

Even if I was a billionaire, I'd rather spend 2K on a reliable pocket watch that has a nice, subdued look.

. . . and spend 800K on getting a laptop made to my exacting specifications.

"pocket watch" aka a phone

nope

actual pocket watch

I agree tho, when 64core epyc-able laptops?

I want to be able to check the time under adverse conditions, such as post-EMP, after falling off a boat, while my phone is in a Faraday pouch . . .

lol

I want my laptop TEMPEST-hardened with physically switchable interfaces (WIFI, Bluetooth, camera, microphone, et cetera).

(for instance)

(other abnormal features, too)

two hot-swappable batteries

so get a Librem and a Faraday cage? :D

high quality trackpoint

no touchpad at all

no logos unless of my own choice

was just thinking about setting up a fraday cage for a room in my house. ironically, the cinder block walls already stop most cellhpone signals

careful testing for any intercepting electronics inserted by component manufacturers

lots of the really old construction in Ireland is just huge rocks stacked up. nothing gets thru those walls.

nice

You'd also get to live in Ireland!

heh

The downside is that you'd have to live under Irish government.

lol

Don't think this is an Ireland vs. UK thing, either.

A downside of living in England is that you'd have to live under *that* government.

On the plus side, I kinda wonder how Spanish, Portuguese, French, and Dutch colonies ended up such political and cultural shitshows while UK colonies ended up so much less horrific . . . for a while.

(quickly degenerating, of course, so not a permanent solution)

(plus side for the UK, that is)

<apotheon> no logos unless of my own choice -- eg. "SMASH TYRANNY" :D

sure

That's a good'un.

apotheon: what would this careful testing involve? i've thought about this

no doubt you'd pick up tons of RF from poorly shielded electronics, and it would be totally inconclusive

visual, network analysis, power analysis, emissions, and probably other testing

assuming you use SDRs to monitor, and each one has a bandwidth of like 20Mhz, that's a lot of SDRs and a lot of aerials

I'd expect any malicious electronics to communicate via standard network interfaces using obscured (perhaps steganographically in some cases), encrypted data streams piggybacking on "legitimate" network traffic, inserted *after* being sent by the OS.

If they're just broadcasting directly they'd likely be fucked by TEMPEST hardening, anyway.

(the only exception likely being things like malicious electronics piggybacking on the physical WiFi and Bluetooth devices)

I wouldn't just rely on my knowledge of the tech, though. I'm not the expert.

I'm just a "pragmatic paranoid" former infosec person who cares about privacy.

what tempest hardening do you have in mind, in particular for monitors? I sort of have an idea for how to harden mouse and keyboard when i implement the clean room

but monitors are more challening

I'm not sure about how to handle the display.

I'd have to defer to experts if I was spending the kind of money to get my idealized laptop designed.

It's possible there's a way to apply a largely transparent layer over the screen that blocks emissions other than visible light that might give away data, I suppose.

Standard Faraday mesh around other areas would work for the rest of it.

I'm just guessing at this point, though.

I'm curious how one would TEMPEST harden a keyboard, but I know it can be done even if I don't know how.

Oh, yeah, and another part of the design would be a great keyboard on the laptop.

For non-laptop computers, it's much easier: just stick it in a Faraday cage of its own, use Cat-8 cabling (and maybe even wrap the cables, if needed), and run them headless.

s/them/it/

I would use eyeglass / headmounted display

no monitor to catch a reflection off

tempted to suggest one of those laser-projected keyboards too instead of a physical one

audio recordings of keypresses have been enough to record someone's keyboard activity

possibly a chord keyboard might be good enough to defeat most eavesdropping twiddler.tekgear.com

Yeah, direct eyeball input is an approach.

direct eyeball input is too noisy. eyeballs are twitching all the time

At that point, skip the laptop and make it wearable.

exactly

what kind of a super-cheap laptop would you guys recommend?

I meant "direct" as in "it only goes to the user's eyeballs", not "painting the retina with light".

body-area-networks are a thing. weak enough signal that can't be eavesdropped more than a few inches away

im currently on old thinkpad t60 and at this I think I'd need something better

*at this point

lazyjumbo: Maaaaaybe a first-gen Pinebook.

sounds like a decent idea

lazyjumbo: . . . or ThinkPad *60 or X200.

apotheon: do you have any experience with pinebook? I don't know anyone who owns one

I don't. It's perpetually on my list of things to maybe get some day.

i have a pinebook pro. it's quite underpowered, but worth the very low price IMO

I do know that the first gen Pinebook has a CPU that is evidently free of speculative execution, though.

yeah, I like the idea but I'd have no practical use for something so weak

I think the Pro's CPU includes speculative execution (likely including vulnerabilities).

the pro version seems to be a better deal tho

I guess it depends on why you want a super-cheap laptop.

Is it just so you don't care if a brick falls on it?

Is it because your income is about five hundred bucks a month?

nah

I want something that I can take anywhere without having to worry about destroying it

I'd imagine something privacy related if you're asking here.

Not worrying about destroying it seems like either the privacy angle (intentionally destroying it) or the "brick falls on it" angle.

more of a brick falls on it angle

and of course i want to run gnu/linux on i t

If it's the privacy angle, and you're willing to sacrifice the performance of a more expensive laptop, I'd say go for the "less spec-ex vulnerability" option rather than the "better deal" option.

yeah, lots of people who run gnu/linux want a brick to fall on their machine (or otherwise impact it with high energy)

hyc: It's systemd/GNU/Linux, darnit.

:P

even more incentive to hit with a brick

indeed

I think you said you run FreeBSD. Is that right?

naw. I have a freebsd system but I mainly use linux

One thing that annoys me about cheapo laptops and SBCs is the popularity of HDMI for video, with all the encumbering patent shit and so on.

I used to be a BSD hacker, but that's decades ago

Are they non-systemd distributions?

not any more

damn

You're not living the dream. You're living the nightmare.

I'm going to port DOOM as a systemd module

har

See if you can get it adopted by upstream.

clearly systemd is all the OS anybody ever needs. the rest is just fluff

I'm going to cry if you keep this up.

(In a way, it's more OS than anybody ever needs.)

lol

systemd is the bane of my existence. twitter.com/hyc_symas/status/1417159230105264132

(It's like GNU Emacs that way.)

we run 2x faster without systemd-journald clogging things up

fun times

orangeboxcutter: amusing

Is there anything that can be done about one's balance becoming temporarily unavailable until the next block every time you make a transaction?

Elon_Satoshi: break your balance up into multiple smaller outputs

Are there any wallets that automatically do that?

i don't know about that. you can do it with monero-wallet-cli though

How is it done in monero-wallet-cli?

`sweep_all index=<N> outputs=16 <address>` where <address> is one of your subaddresses and <index> is that subaddress's numeric index (shown when you do `address all`)

16 is the maximum, you can obviously use a smaller number if appropriate

Would it cause any problems in Cake Wallet if I copied the seed from a Cake Wallet wallet, restored it in monero-wallet-cli, and used monero-wallet-cli to do something like this?

no

You could always import your Cake Wallet seed and then transfer to a new monero-wallet-cli address, to get you off cake wallet.

seconding that, it should not cause any problems for cake wallet

I kinda like Cake Wallet, are there any reasons why I would want to get off it?

I guess it depends on my threat model

i can't answer that one completely. personally i only use the official wallet for high-value wallets. for lower value wallets, whatever

Ah

yeah for the high value wallets, I'd use monero-wallet-cli and a hardware wallet

just make sure you buy the hardware wallet directly from the manufacturer

no ebay, amazon, etc

What if the manufacturer is selling their wallet on Amazon? Doesn't Trezor sell theirs on Amazon?

perhaps, but due to the well publicized issue of amazon comingling inventory, i would personally not buy one from there.

ah ok

given that you can just buy it directly from Trezor, i don't think the risk is worth saving $10 on shipping or whatever

I hope fluffypony was able to get his Ledger into his prison purse before being arrested.

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Mo​chi101: How many​ chars in hid

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Elon_Satoshi: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

El​on_Satoshi: How man​y chars in rot

Elon_Satoshi: Oops that is not correct. Try again later. (No not immediately or I'll just ignore you..)

3

lol

wat

.tip Elon_Satoshi .00001

ndorf: Access denied for tip. Are you logged in?

god damn it

is it talking about being logged in to nickserv?

yes

ah

how long do I have to wait until I can try .faucet again?

.tip Elon_Satoshi .00001

ndorf tipped 0.00001 XMR to Elon_Satoshi [d7b0fa0f]

there you go

thanks!

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Elon_Satoshi: • Your balance is: 0.00001 XMR (≈0 USD)

noice

lol

just checking your balance

my balance is an unknown amount of Monero

I'll pay you 0.00001 XMR for a cookie

uh, minus transaction fees

where can I buy cookies with XMR?

funny enough, the last cookie i actually purchased was a Monero-branded one. delicious, too

Pay no attention to the cookies, they are just harmless, fun jabs at someone here.

Does that person consent and agree that the jabs are harmless?

elon satoshi?

that might be the worst username ever.

Why thank you...

de nada.

So that explains why nobody else was using it

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El​on_Satoshi: How long is th​e string VIB

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(What Monero can learn from Tor)

apotheon : gentoo can run without systemd

not for the faint of heart to run though

Void Linux is also systemd-free (uses runit)

and of course any *BSD, though there is this github.com/reyk/systemd-openbsd :D

where can I get monero stickers?

lazyjumbo: cyphermarket.com/monero

vtnerd: I've heard that about Gentoo.

ndorf: I've used Void (briefly), and it was nice enough at the time, for my purposes, but I've heard there were some maintenance issues around the project creator having a meltdown and so on, which is sad.

ndorf: Note that someone's actually porting some subset of systemd (I think it's just the init and runtime control parts) to OpenBSD, got OpenBSD to boot with it, and named the project InitWare (which appropriately seems like a subtype of malware, like "spyware" and "adware").

I wish people like that would spend their time more productively, such as porting Monero to OpenBSD and getting it into OpenBSD packages.

i'm not sure it could work as an OpenBSD package, since those are typically not updated after an OpenBSD release. so if a hard fork happens you're SOL

didn't realize that about Void. sad, yes.

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lazyjumbo: Your default coin is now set to XMR. Change with coins command.

lazyjumbo: • Your balance is: 0 XMR

ndorf: Updates are possible for extreme cases like that, though, and a conscientious OpenBSD porter should stay on top of that for something like Monero software, I'd think.

. . . or, if someone wants to hand-hold my way through doing it myself, I could do it, I suppose, but I don't really have the resources to spare for doing it on my own or, really, figuring out most of the details with only minimal guidance.

Hell, I'm having trouble figuring out how to get my preferred setup working even after getting it to compile once.

apotheon: Where exactly are you stuck at?

Oh, you're compiling Monero on OpenBSD

Compiling already happened.

Ah

What happens when you try to run it?

The main problem is actually sorting out the importance and implications of various configuration details and execution options.

For monero?

The software *runs*.

for running a full node with CLI wallet

Oh.

So you're having trouble figuring out what parameters to run monero-wallet-cli with to get it to run a full node?

(I figure a pruned node would be no less work -- would just take longer to synchronize and more space to store.)

that and some config stuff, including things external to the wallet/node

Every time I try to tackle it again, I don't get far enough before other life shit comes up that is more urgent and . . . I kinda lose my place. Taking notes only goes so far when what I'm trying to figure out is interaction between different things.

I think by default, you can just run ./monerod to run a full node without pruning by default, and then running ./monero-wallet-cli connects to the local node and directs you to generate a new wallet

Yeah, this doesn't answer my needs. If you want to talk about it in more detail, we can use PMs.

Oh ok

is change typically the last output or is it randomized?

Lyza: randomized

thx tobtoht :)

Is it possible to make all monerod traffic go through i2p?

is some of the traffic not going via i2p?

standard config is to only broadcast transactions through i2p

there was socks5 support anyway

I guess you could do it if there's some sort of wrapper for i2p a la torsocks but idk

Maybe through proxychains

But then how would monerod find peers?

By only broadcasting transactions through i2p, does that mean only transactions made by the user?

Or does it broadcast other people's transactions through i2p too?

Can it receive transactions through i2p?

it can optionally receive transactions via i2p, yes. transactions received via i2p have the dandelion++ stem phase initiated over clearnet afaik -- I don't think there are additional i2p hops

Elon_Satoshi: all traffic over i2p would require exit nodes, not sure if that exits for i2p

mmm good point selsta

Yeah, exit nodes isn't very big in i2p

They're called outproxies, and there's maybe 2 or 3 of them run by volunteers

Tor was built for exiting the network and accessing the clearweb anonymously, I2P was designed for inner communications