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escapethe3ra[m]
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littlebobeep
anywhere else to buy XMR for fiat cash besides localmonero.co
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nioc
if you don't mind KYC there is kraken
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nioc
oh you said cash, so I guess not?
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DeanGuss
littlebobeep: I think you can do it on bisq?
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DeanGuss
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littlebobeep
DeanGuss: Bisq doesn't support XMR?
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littlebobeep
DeanGuss: but I can send fiat cash to a Bisq seller for BTC?
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DeanGuss
You can at least post an offer to do that
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DeanGuss
or perhaps find your coincidence of opposite
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gingeropolous
escapethe3ra[m], naw i just googled it and used size=something or other
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Mochi101
best pdf cartoon ever gingeropolous
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garth
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garth
Exhausting
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merope
they use google services for instant notifications, don't they?
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garth
This iOS privacy app report has been a bonanza of discovering that literally every privacy centric app on iOS was utilizing Big Tech servers. Signal, Element, all of them
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garth
Not on iOS
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garth
If they want to use Apple for push notifications that’s fine by me
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merope
oooh - they ping google on the ios app? lol
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garth
Fuckers
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garth
I posted the same thing to the Signal and Element subreddits and both of them fixed the issue
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garth
It just is lame that we have to do this as customers
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gingeropolous
you should bill them
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Snipa
Google DNS I could almost see, AWS is curious though to be sure.
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gingeropolous
ugh. i feel like doing a "watch and response" video to this but ugh.
youtube.com/watch?v=J9nv0Ol-R5Q&t=30s
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nioc
a bonafide world renowned expert in cryptocurrencies
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farzat
Why did he even wear the mask around min 10?
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farzat
Like did he think "Oh I am breathing way too easily, gotta wear that mask so that I can tire myself faster, while protecting myself from those pretty far away students"
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farzat
Ok at min 15 he was like "Ok I tired myself enough, I can take that mask off now"
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farzat
Btw is that thing he is drinking from alcohol or am I imagining things?
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farzat
I don't live in the US but I don't think such a thing would be allowed
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plowsof[m]
hopefully its not intentional, i remember using a qrcode generator for my wishlist, worked great. Turns out, under the hood it was pinging the google qr api ehh oops
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belak_
farzat: what's wrong with drinking alcohol
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farzat
In lecture it makes you speak bs just like that guy
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belak_
that looks like a bottle of soda though
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farzat
Yeah I realized that as I moved on in the lecture
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farzat
Ok man, I feel like I could have agreed with the lecturer if the current system didn't just simply suck more
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farzat
Like yeah I know blockchains actually suck
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farzat
But the petrodollar sucks waaaaaaaaaayyyyyyy more
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farzat
Same as PayPal et al
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farzat
But I can imagine, if I were someone who was actually advantaging from the bs in the system, I too would not see the point in cryptocurrencies
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farzat
Also there are too many shitcoins, bitcoin included
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belak_
farzat: you forget that paypal really doesn't suck for consumers
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moneromooo
Doesn't paypal scam people ? I've seen many complaints about "paypal took my money and I did nothing wrong".
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moneromooo
Granted, they're in a hard place, having to decide which person is right, but they seem to be ignoring evidence, assuming the reports are good faith.
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moneromooo
(and, granted again, with a lot of users, even a small percentage of fuckups means a large number of fuckups)
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belak_
moneromooo: those people are not consumers, but merchants
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moneromooo
But they still seem close to scammers. Decide one way and ignore all evidence because fuck it.
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plowsof[m]
localmonero advise people to account for being scammed from paypal 2/5 times , maybe even 3 xd
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belak_
the one-sidedness of dispute resolution is by design, as consumers are in an inherently worse off position than merchants
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belak_
plowsof[m]: yes, but paypal also forbids you from engaging in such transactions
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belak_
paypal doesn't take money from people and keep it, they'll freeze it for some period like 180 days and then close your account and release the funds
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belak_
alternatively, the consumer may reverse a payment to a merchant and the merchant might end up without their funds
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moneromooo
That seems like a stupid rule. It basically tells scammers "do this, and you can scam easy without issues"...
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belak_
moneromooo: it works both ways
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belak_
except selling items and not delivering them is a far more scalable scam than ordering items and reversing payments
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moneromooo
Does "release" mean give them back to the account holder ?
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belak_
yes
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moneromooo
Without asking for more shite as a precondition ?
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belak_
they might have AML/KYC obligations, but paypal isn't to blame for that
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moneromooo
Why are htey not, if they did not ask for it before ?
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belak_
they can't know what to ask for before you engage in transactions
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belak_
except for some very basic things yeah
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moneromooo
What is AML/KYC for you ?
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moneromooo
I mean, this isn't something that changes, right ?
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belak_
your transaction patterns play a large role with regards to the information they have to collect from you
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moneromooo
So they want more details basically ?
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moneromooo
ie, they might have name/address, and now want phone or something
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moneromooo
For more certainty ?
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belak_
if they know that some transaction patterns are often associated with illegal activity, they are obligated to collect more details from you if they observe those patterns
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belak_
sure, but that's really basic
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moneromooo
That implies it's that kind of pattern that creates this, but from hte reports I've seen it doesn't seem to be like that. It's just random joes.
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moneromooo
Could be they're lying random joes though...
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belak_
random joes might also unknowingly engage in patterns that are commonly associated with fraudulent activities
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moneromooo
Nice.
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moneromooo
Then maybe their pattern checker is shit.
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belak_
unfortunately the legislation isn't exactly fair, so perfectly innocuous activities might be red flags
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moneromooo
Are you saying that if they did not do that, they'd be acting illegally ?
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belak_
this is correct
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belak_
the legislation does not place a simple set of requirements on them (e.g. you have to collect id photos, addresses and phone numbers from clients), but rather it requires them to do their best and take whatever actions necessary to prevent certain activities on their platform
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moneromooo
OK. I find it hard to believe that it would describe most of the complains I've seen, but at this point I'll file that as "someone is claiming so".
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moneromooo
I can't recall anything about a 180 day delay in the complaints, so it might be they get resolved after 180 days...
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belak_
I think the most common paypal complaint is "X sells something on $PLATFORM, buyer Y claims they did not receive product and charges money back"
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belak_
seller X ends up without the money and possibly without the product
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belak_
if this happens often enough, paypal will decide that seller X is too risky to do business with and close their account.
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belak_
paypal is not legally obligated to act like this, but in practice the other option of letting seller X keep the money if buyer Y claims they didn't receive the product is worse
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belak_
(paypal will also close accounts of buyers who have suspiciously high dispute rates)
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moneromooo
IMHO, tThe two options that are... maybe not fair, but at least not... unfair... are "you sent it, your problem" (ie, we don't act as mediators) and "we decide based on evidence".
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moneromooo
Deciding on premade rules that are well known and dead easy to exploit is... cheap but unfair.
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belak_
For a scammer it's far easier to sell items to 100 people, take the money and run than to buy 100 items and reverse the payments.
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moneromooo
In any case, thank you for explaining.
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belak_
this is further complicated by the fact that delivery services tend to lose approximately 1% of parcels
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moneromooo
Fair point, yes. Maybe an argument of "lesser harm" in aggregate.
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moneromooo
Jesus. That's huge...
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belak_
so for physical goods any chargeback fraud disappears in an ocean of legitimately failed deliveries
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belak_
it seems fair for the person who is running a business to absorb this risk, rather than for the individual consumer
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belak_
for larger transactions there are some obvious protections, you can go to court or even call the cops
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moneromooo
I dunno, that argument is "who can likely take the hit and survive". I suppose it's "fair" in some societies, and "unfair" in others.
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belak_
A situation where consumers can't trust sellers has far worse economical effects than a situation where sellers can't trust consumers
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belak_
in a world where the system is tilted more towards the sellers, commerce simply falls apart
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moneromooo
OK, so your argument is that they are knowingly unfair to some people because at a macro level you can't see the people you fucked and the overall numbers are better. Fair assessment ?
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belak_
sure
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moneromooo
I'll rephrase: Overall numbers are better societally.
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belak_
it's sort of inherent
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belak_
even on darknet markets it ends up being like this
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moneromooo
OK. It's a valid argument.
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belak_
you buy drugs with monero, claim they didn't arrive, most of the time you will get your money back
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belak_
same as with paypal
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belak_
only those who have spent time building a reputation on such moderated platforms can get away with direct deals through their own websites
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belak_
chargeback fraud is the cost of trust
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farzat
Best way is gold way: You gave it, it is gone
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farzat
If you don't want the risk, escrows exist for that
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moneromooo
paypal is an escrow...
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farzat
Not really
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moneromooo
Well, true, since escrows look at evidence. Good point.
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farzat
An escrow would be something like Amazon
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farzat
They expect a tracking number
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moneromooo
Suddenly an escrow doesn't look that good anymore...
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farzat
😅
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farzat
Well there are better examples
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farzat
Like localmonero
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farzat
Their job is basically advertising + escrow
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farzat
Just like Amazon when you think about it
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farzat
It is just that they do it better
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farzat
The problem with PayPal is not only that though
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farzat
PayPal has the power to deny its services to users
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farzat
It is one of the "intermediaries" at which you could be cut off
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farzat
Also it co-operates with Israeli agencies
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farzat
So that's a thing
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nioc
is there any agency that any financial service does not cooperate?
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nioc
+with
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millican
Is there a setting in the monero-wallet-gui (linux) that lets it use more than ~4GB RAM before swithching to thrashing the hard drive for a few weeks?
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millican
There's still 8GB free, but I can't find the setting for it
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farzat
Well monero doesn't
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farzat
To my knowledge
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selsta
millican: can you rephrase?
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moneromooo
There's none. It's very inefficient to ask userland programs to configure the OS. You should tell the OS to behave better directly.
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millican
selsta: sorry, neighbor was at the door
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millican
selsta: the monero-wallet-gui program - unlike the other programs installed on the machine - will switch to using Swap (the hard drive) after consuming about 4GB of RAM.
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millican
This becomes extremely slow.
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selsta
don't think this is intended behavior
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selsta
how did you install it?
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moneromooo
A program does not use swap. The OS uses swap. A program might use the disk for other things, but it doesn't seem to be that from what you're saying.
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millican
download and extract then run the executable
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moneromooo
The program doesn't even *know* when it's swapping. It's transparent, done by the OS.
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moneromooo
In theory it could know by timing some stuff, but... yeah. It's the OS.
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millican
I didn't give the OS, apologies. It's Debian (linux)
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selsta
are you syncing the blockchain?
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millican
So, I'm stuck with it unless I can figure out how to make Debian run this program the way it runs the others
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millican
selsta: yes
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selsta
that uses a lot of disk, but that's not related to swapping
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millican
hmmm. OK. I'll poke around with the OS for awhile and see if I can find anything.
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millican
Thanks guys.
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moneromooo
The daemon handles the chain though, the gui wouldn't (though it might cause the daemon to access the chain).
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selsta
don't think there is anything you can change hete
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moneromooo
I guess we should ask: what makes you think monero-wallet-gui swaps (as opposed to, say, monerod) ?
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millican
good point. it could be monerod.
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millican
I'm looking at htop
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moneromooo
OK, that mkaes a lot more sense.
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selsta
syncing the blockchain will write a lot of data to disk and also read data for verification
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moneromooo
monerod has a huge mmap on the chain, which can be up to... I dunno 130 GB ?
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moneromooo
It'll read and write to that large file, and the OS will decide how to handle the writes,
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millican
the good thing is, i put this on a machine in the garage that I don't really use except to look up datasheets for things i'm working on
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millican
I'd just like to get it to be more efficient
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moneromooo
Do you have a SSD for the chain btw ? It makes a huge dufference vs spinning HDD.
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moneromooo
Also, once you're done syncing and i's just keeping up, it'll stop being so demanding.
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millican
It's an old school HDD. The SSDs are in the computers we use for work and stuff
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millican
moneromooo: that's encouraging
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moneromooo
If you can use the SSD just for syncing, and move back to HDD, it'll help a LOT.
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selsta
millican: what percentage did you sync? and also which version are you using?
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millican
selsta: about 29400 blocks remaining
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millican
version 0.17.3.1
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selsta
would recommend to update, otherwise it should be done soon
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selsta
also don't unplug your hdd during sync
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millican
If I update, is there a chance I'll have to download everything again from scratch?
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moneromooo
Not due to the update itself.
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millican
selsta: I do worry about power outages - we're getting into hurricane season
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millican
I'll update it. thanks.
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millican
again
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selsta
You can make a backup of the blockchain file
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moneromooo
If you have the space, you can always temporarily quit monerod.. yes, that ^
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selsta
if it gets corrupted you can rollback
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millican
sounds like a good idea.
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moneromooo
It's meant to be resistant to hard OS crashes, but in practice it still seems to suck :(
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selsta
windows is especially bad
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moneromooo
Yes, I never had a corruption and I sometimes kill -9. Fedora.
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millican
I'd guess that corruption is a risk with any hard drive crash, regardless of OS, but I'm no tech guy
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moneromooo
Well, if it's the hardware itself, yes, you're hosed.
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hyc
windows is just a lot less reliable than linux
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hyc
as well as lower I/O perf overall
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hyc
we have a commit upstream da0527ac75b811419b7007202799f96b2edb5aef that is supposed to improve windows write performance
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hyc
I don't think I ever merged it into monero's source tree
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hyc
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hyc
the perf gain is supposed to be significant tho
bugs.openldap.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9017
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sech1
"FlushViewOfFile seems to be an O(n) operation where n is the size of the file (or map)" whaaaat. Really?
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sech1
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hyc
yes, it has to walk every page and check if it's dirty
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hyc
if you manually kept your own list of dirty pages and only flushed them, it would prob be faster
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sech1
well, at least it's done in the background worker thread in p2pool so not a big deal
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hyc
(but that assumes number of dirty pages is much smaller than file size)
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sech1
it is
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hyc
in WRITEMAP mode LMDB doesn't track indvidual dirty pages
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hyc
so msyncs /Flushes can get very slow on large DBs
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hyc
in default mode we do, but the point of writemap was to avoid extra memory allocations, such as those needed to maintain list of dirty pages
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hyc
(oh wait, that's LMDB 1.x. in 0.9 we still track dirty pages.)
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sech1
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hyc
heh yep.
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hyc
gingeropolous: did you ever get output from `mdb_stat -er` when explorer runs into READERS_FULL problem?
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sech1
hyc omg, BlockCache::flush() takes more than 0.5 seconds every time in p2pool :D
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sech1
false alarm, it was the first flush after sync. After that, it's 0.02 seconds
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hyc
heh
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hyc
fauting pages in first, before any can be flushed out
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sech1
even 0.01s
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hyc
that's the problem with using writable mmap, it always has to do a pagein on every page you touch
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sech1
I guess it's not critical for 432 MB file
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hyc
yeah, no big deal
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gingeropolous
hyc, i run mdb_stat -rr every 2 mins
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gingeropolous
and yeah it spits out a list of stuff