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Steven_M
Why would my node get this error?: 2022-08-09 00:15:55.559 E Unable to send transaction(s) via Dandelion++ stem
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Steven_M
dam, I forgot to delete the timestamp!
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selsta
Steven_M: are you using --tx-proxy ?
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selsta
otherwise how many in / out peers do you have when doing "status"?
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Steven_M
selsta: 12(out)+71(in)
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selsta
are you using v0.18?
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Steven_M
selsta: yep
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selsta
ok if everything else works then don't worry about it
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selsta
seems like the node from the atem phase wasn't reachable
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Steven_M
okay
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Steven_M
I have another question, but I'd like to PM you for OPSEC reasons, may I?
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escapethe3ra[m]
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escapethe3ra[m]
^feel free to post on Reddit, bot isn't cooperating with me today
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Mochi101
posted
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Mochi101
Almost as bad as bch bs
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escapethe3ra[m]
nah it flagged yours too
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Mochi101
Awaiting moderator approval...
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Mochi101
jeese
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escapethe3ra[m]
guess you can't post anything that has 'cake wallet' keywords in the title directly, without mod approval, which is not cool
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zach
hi
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Epsilon
Hello
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selsta
what's the point of posting this to reddit?
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selsta
i've never seen a discussion improve that way
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Mochi101
spreading the knowledge that this controversy exists
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Mochi101
I live here selsta, and I didn't know about it.
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selsta
the discussion was in #monero-site
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Mochi101
yes
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selsta
literally every second account on reddit is a bot
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selsta
people can easily influence community sentiment
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Mochi101
Community is really trying to live up to the "Monero is the real Bitcoin" thing...
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selsta
escapethe3ra[m]: not sure if cakepay is relevant to the monero.com discussion
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selsta
cakepay is an optional thing and everyone can decide themselves if they are okay with the privacy
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selsta
with their privacy policy*
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selsta
adding it to the current discussion feels a bit dishonest to me, comes of as trying to sway the opinion of the reader
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selsta
maybe that's just how news sites work...
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selsta
Steven_M: you can PM me but might take a bit until I reply
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Evolver
What is Monero's precise inflation rate policy?
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moneromooo
IIRC, 0.6 monero floor subsidy per block. So once the decreasing subsidy formula drops below that, it's capped at 0.6.
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moneromooo
A block every 2 minutes on average.
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Evolver
Thanks. What percentage per year does this translate to, now and in the future?
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moneromooo
I think it's below 2% a year, possibly below 1%, can't recall. Never goes back up.
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sech1
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Evolver
> Current annual inflation rate is 0.86893638%
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sech1
if you watch the page long enough, you can see how % decreases bit by bit
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Evolver
so you're saying the rate will never go higher...
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sech1
if will only go lower
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nioc
correct, 0.6xmr per 2 minute block remains constant
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moneromooo
Well, constant emission, and every growing total amount.
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Evolver
got it
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Evolver
Does any human or other agent have the power to change this emission rate?
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Evolver
I mean can a panel decide tomorrow to increase it if they wanted to?
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Evolver
I'm just asking from a safety pov. Can the panel, if it's small, be pressured to 1000x the emission rate...
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sech1
no one will support this hardfork
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sech1
i.e. see Monero Classic fork from 2018. They're still alive, increased daily emissions 20x, added dev tax and so on. 0 users, only miners left
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Evolver
good to know
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Evolver
Different question: These days, how much XMR does a transaction cost?
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moneromooo
bc_dyn_stats 100 in monerod, take base fee, multiplty by... 1200 ? That's your typical tx cost.
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Evolver
sorry, I am a newb and I don't follow.
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Evolver
What's the tx cost in XMR? It's not 120,000.
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moneromooo
bc_dyn_stats 100 is a command in monerod, tells you the current base fee per byte. A typical tx is maybe 1200 bytes.
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sech1
minimal fee is 0.001$ for a transaction
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sech1
yes, that's 0.1 US cent
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Mochi101
so expensive
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Evolver
ha, thanks
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moneromooo
They go up by about 5x soon though.
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Evolver
oh how come
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moneromooo
Code change from the monero cabal.
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moneromooo
and I really don't see people saying no and reverting that change.
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Evolver
but what's their reasoning other than greed
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moneromooo
Mitigating spam.
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Evolver
sorry, what's spam in the context of a cryptocurrency...?
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moneromooo
There is no monero cabal btw. If you thought a miner cabal :D
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moneromooo
People sending a lot of transactions in order to increase nodes' verification CPU time and storage needs.
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Evolver
Is it an attack
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Evolver
Anyhow, ok
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Evolver
I hope Monero has plans in place to handle a Github ban of
github.com/monero-project and of contributing users.
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Evolver
because it's just a matter of time before it happens
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Evolver
All org members can expect a sudden ban too.
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Evolver
and getmonero.org, that'll disappear too in the same week
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Evolver
so be prepared, anytime in the next decade or so
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moneromooo
Yes. It can also be part of a privacy attack. But definitely a DoS attack if it's maintained for a while.
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hyc
Monero project has prepared for github to get hostile since before M$ acquired it. All of that is a non-issue
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Evolver
hyc: is there a mirror?
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Evolver
hyc: .org is also dangerous
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Evolver
If both the github project and the .org site disappear at once, people will not know where to go
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moneromooo
Riht before you joined, pony was talking about how github data is constantly backed up.
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moneromooo
Well, monero github data.
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Evolver
That's great but people already need to know in advance where to go when it disappears along with the current website
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moneromooo
In that case, it's repo.getmonero.org, so it htey both go at once, that'd be a problem, yes.
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Evolver
it happened to Tornado Cash, both disappeared
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Evolver
They were using the .cash website.
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Evolver
I don't know if .ph is safe because archive.ph hasn't died for some reason
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moneromooo
But that was a mixer, I read. I suppose they might not care about intent, but... it feels a lot different. To me anyway. But point taken.
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Evolver
Is there an onion Tor web address for Monero project?
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moneromooo
Wasn't repo.getmonero.org reachable via i2p ? Rings a bell...
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Evolver
i2p, onion, lokinet -- all are possible candidates for failsafe access
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moneromooo
There is (a tor hidden service). I just looked.
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hyc
Isn't unstoppableweb all about domains that can't be stopped?
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moneromooo
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Evolver
cool
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Evolver
People will go to Wikipedia to see what the official link is, so pls update that when it happens
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Evolver
Automated parsers of search engines also look there.
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» moneromooo waits for wikipedia to mysteriously switch to monero dot com...
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hyc
lol
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Evolver
but IMO Monero must at all costs be ready in advance, otherwise XMR-USD price will crater 50-80%
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Evolver
within a week
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hyc
^^ that's proof all of this has already been planned for
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hyc
you're preaching to the choir
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hyc
and your sermon is 5 years old
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Evolver
well that's good to hear but as a user I need to see it, right?
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Evolver
and I am not seeing mirror links on
github.com/monero-project
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moneromooo
Well, never hurts to help do what you think should be done.
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hyc
no point. in an attack, any regularly registered domain would be targeted as well
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fluffypony
yeah
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fluffypony
our primary backup domains aren't public for a reason
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Evolver
ok
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fluffypony
we learned from TPB :)
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hyc
what matters is that PGP keys for signing official content are registered in public keyservers
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fluffypony
and our backup plans for GitHub have been in place since 2018
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Evolver
Good stuff, but if the naive user doesn't immediately see it, the XMR-USD price risks cratering very quickly. If they can quickly see the backup up, then maybe they won't sell.
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moneromooo
Place low buy orders ?
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hyc
;)
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moneromooo
Wait. Exchanges will go too anyway.
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hyc
^^
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Evolver
Hopefully there exist enough swap sites already.
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Evolver
Exchanges are then legally targetable mostly only if they support XMR <-> USD.
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Evolver
If they support XMR <-> [not USD] <-> USD, then they'd be less targetable.
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moneromooo
Why would monero be targetted then ? We're just monero <-> monero.
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Evolver
If you have to ask, "for facilitating money laundering", similar to how Tornado Cash was recently targeted.
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Evolver
I care about the project so that's why I brought up the topic.
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moneromooo
Then why would exchanges somehow keep monero <-> not-USD ?
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Evolver
I don't understand
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moneromooo
This is in reply to "Exchanges are then legally targetable mostly only if they support XMR <-> USD.". I don't think it makes sense.
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Evolver
None of this makes rational sense but it makes sense to the US govt
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Evolver
so I'm going by how they think
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moneromooo
If they (I'll assume "they" here is US govt and people wanting not to cross them) kill getmonero.org, which definitely doesn't do any money laundering, why would an exhcnage carrying monero be allowed to continue ? It seems nonsensical.
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Evolver
If they see that an international exchange is facilitating XMR <-> USD transactions, that's the legal reason that the US govt have to target the exchange.
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Evolver
moneromooo: Don't think by your rationality. It doesn't apply here. Logic doesn't apply here. It's the history of reasoning of the US govt that applies.
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Evolver
It's like when you're dealing with women, don't play by male logic.
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moneromooo
Do we have different logic ?
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Evolver
The reason, as I read, is that facilitating XMR <-> USD transactions puts US banks at risk
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Evolver
and so that's reason enough for the US govt to target such exchanges
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Evolver
From the outside, it's a retarded reason but I'm saying how they think.
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Evolver
imo, Monero can expect to grow a lot, and with this growth can come nasty attention of the govt.
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Evolver
If the exchanges only supports XMR <-> not-USD <-> USD, then the US govt doesn't have an equally strong legal qualification to target it.
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Mochi101
Evolver, Monero already has nasty government attention.
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Evolver
sure, which is why most US exchanges don't support it directly
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Evolver
but it hasn't seen worse levels of it yet, as for example what Tornado Cash saw
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Evolver
The greater the adoption, the worse it gets.
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Mochi101
apples and oranges
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selsta
fwiw apparently the Treasury has warned Tornado Cash in the past, as far as I know they didn't do that with monero yet.
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Evolver
I see
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garth
At some point we need to remove the Kovri repo from the project
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garth
Though the story, I assume, will live on into eternity
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Evolver
oh I see three kovri repos. Yeah, no reason for it to share the risk.
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Evolver
although I see it's just an obsolete old version from 2018
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Evolver
so it's not even about risk
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Evolver
garth: mininero should go
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moneromooo
Hmm. Actually, keeping monero command line will ensure only geeks use it, not money launderers.
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moneromooo
Though I guess they could hire geeks.
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Evolver
garth: kastelo repo should probably also be separate
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selsta
there is no risk with these repos
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Evolver
The risk is to the repos, not to Monero from them
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Evolver
an unnecessary risk
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Evolver
although I get it that it helps facilitate control
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Evolver
Wouldn't want anyone mucking with the code in those repos.
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hyc
kovri / kastelo are dead
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Evolver
Someone can maybe mirror Monero to
radicle.network , even officially if possible
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hyc
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garth
Fascinating
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Evolver
Sorry for this noob question, but if I run a Monero node, can I expect to make anything? If yes, then how much per month?
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Evolver
I don't mean for mining, just for transactions.
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selsta
no
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selsta
you don't get a reward for it
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Evolver
so who runs nodes then? big holders?
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Evolver
or just the miners?
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Epsilon
Anybody who wants to help the network
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sech1
Everyone runs a node for privacy and safety
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sech1
remote nodes can be malicious
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Evolver
I am assuming that some wallet software have their own nodes for protecting their users.
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Evolver
or do they