> <@ofrnxmr[m]:libera.chat> Privacy = stack wallet

> stability = cake wallet

Update: Cake latest update is out, includes updates that bring privacy to a level on par with stack and monerujo

ofrnxmr[m]: Cake and Monero.com wallets

Little feature that most should be interested in: trusted nodes

If you add a trusted node (one run by you or a friend..) you save 5-10mb of data on each startup, which as a consequence results in faster start to the sync process. Particularly noticable over slow networks or low data allotments

7mb vs ~100kb on startup

Reckon they integrate lws into monerod?

Thats a question for dev / vtnerd / jberman etc.

I would like to see it developed in line with monero and be an "official" repo of monero-project

im considering mining xmr at home using multiple machines, but im afraid it will up my electricity bill drastically.

might just use a vps instead, but i dont know if i would have capable enough hardware

i haven't done enough research on crypto and i dont know where crypto is going or if its worth mining anyways after the ftx scandal

Mining for profit? Wrong coin

are you considering heating your home? that could up you electricity bill, buy some ear plugs instead and mine monero

Ftx is different that was a Ponzi scheme

Need to mine some scamcoin if you want to play the get rich off of dummies-inflating-the-price-beyond-actual-value game.

Regarding the state of crypto.. monero doesnt care what happens to shit/scamcoin. Monero is a utility first and foremost, with a lower inflation rate and more utility than. .. any other coin

More utility than* (not lower inflation)

> are you considering heating your home?

lol

tough decisions

So.. if youre mining monero because you want to save money in your piggy bank, go for it. Were not luna

If you want to mine monero to buy lambos, better hold those neros and stomach the electiricty costs

Regardless of what you mine, my 2c, convert to xmr.

Buying pressure on xmr = price appreciation = increased mining profit (fiat) > increase in miners.

So while buying monero might not be mining directly, it incentivizes mining

Tldr, mine whatever you want, but male sure your xmr valance is increasing as a result

Make*

balance*

plowsof11: my miners are quiet

"Wait.. its not supposed to sound like a turbine?"

no sir

cryptogrampy should chime in and say "MINE TOO, CAN'T HEAR A THING!"

one thing to note, if you have a cat the power button should be in the front of the case, not the top

if top a simple hack can prevent shut down

nioc: That's because they're scared: oshi.at/PAhY/ZkWF.jpeg

the top of the case provides a tactical advantage (height) and is also warm, i could see why that would be an issue

my cases have a mesh top so the heat seekers end up there

ofrnxmr[m]: i wasn't hoping to get rich, but make a small amount of money. i dont know what coin would be best for that. i dont know much about coins in general, but i was considering exchanging some money for crypto and see if it goes up or down. i dont have that much of a practical use for crypto. it seems very interesting, especially monero and ethereum because of their decentralised and private

nature, but cash is prety private too, and less volatile.

ofrnxmr[m]: will it take up too much electricity if i leave xmrig running on 3 of my computers 24/7 ?

ETH isnt decentralized or private

aren't all coins decentralised?

no banks

Nope

or governments

100% of eth was printed before it was launched

what does that mean

Today, still around 70% of eth was preprinted

can you send an article

Its common knowledge since day 1 that eth was a 100% premine

Other coins have taxes on mining rewards, or taxes on using the features

These "taxes" go to central entities

Wasn’t mostly owned by exchanges?

central entities to support the blockchain?

Some coins are fairly launched, POW, decentralized networks... but often they arent private at all

A LOT of coins are just tokens living on the eth network.

ETH is more like the current system, just on the internet and with no privacy or regulations.

There are "ICO"s etc. These are obviously not money. These are stocks

I'm not sure I fully understand. Are there any resources I should read?

Hm. Its a deep rabbit hole.. but leads you hear anyway

The longer you stick around monero and compare the core values of monero vs anything else, you'll see what you need to see

One is money, the rest all have some other goal

Wow xmrig really drained my x200's battery.

How much HR from that x200?

[2022-12-14 20:30:21.175] miner speed 10s/60s/15m 141.6 132.1 147.8 H/s max 183.0 H/s

RavFX[m]:

I'm gonna try mining on my gaming laptop with gpu and my proliant server too

Use the GPU for something else

ofrnxmr[m]: not mining?

Not mining monero*

Mine and dump xhv or something

will that take up a lot of power?

Only all the power it can take from the part you use to mine

I'm not sure if that means it will use a lot or not

nah forget it, it's not worth mining at home. i might try dumping a coin though.

i dont know how effective that is

still gonna try mining for a few days on my other machines just to mess around

fmlatghor: Thats some math ya did there..

I assume youre saying its somehow its better to mine on a vps. Youd be terrible wrong

But yeah.. dont let me waste my time if you dont actually want to mine anything

Tldr. Use your gpu to mine xhv and use your cpu to mine monero

Sell the xhv for monero, and pay the electric bills out of pocket

ofrnxmr[m]: i might try that, but i definitely need to do more research first. are you speaking out of your own experience?

ofrnxmr[m]: i wasn't saying it'd be better on a vps because of practical reasons, but for electrical costs

VPS are to soft for there price, you gonna pay more

If electricity is more expensive than mining income.

Then buy the electricity price worth of coins instead of mining, you gonna have more for the same cost

makes sense

thanks for all the information, I'm learning a lot

See ya folks

Anybody want to buy some pre-bulletproof XMR? These are collectors items so the price is a lot higher than market XMR price.

I'm charging 1.5 XMR for every pre-bulletproof XMR. Full coins only please.

Mochi101: Is that a thing?

oh yes, of course!

weird

You want to buy some apotheon?

This stuff is going fast, so you have to hurry,

nah, thanks

Yuo have to know it's BS, right?

If I want NFTs, I'll probably get 'em from Aurora so I get discounted compute time, or something like that.

yeah

ok, good

gnight

I was playing straight man for the joke, until the NFT comment.

g'night

guys that was funny lets just love each other

love, but verify.

any recommendations for IRC GUI? i've been using hexchat but migrating to a new lappy (finally... )

but you need to host it somewhere

i already have a bouncer..... hrm

just install thelounge there

oooh smartphone

ruh roh

yep, I can shitpost on IRC from my smartphone now :D

danke

+1 for The Lounge, I run it with znc in front for other needs

A lot of the features are disabled by default and you need to configure them

ugh. is this the thing that'll make me deal with docker....

no

node.js . im having nightmare flashbacks of running the monero pool....

presumably its gotten better since then

theloun+ 8452 0.0 1.2 1536516 802504 ? Ssl Oct04 53:54 node /usr/bin/thelounge start

nah, only 800 MB memory

it's fiiiine

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> If electricity is more expensive than mining income.

> Then buy the electricity price worth of coins instead of mining, you gonna have more for the same cost

It'd be good if the vps is in a place where energy cost is very cheaper than at your home

i just meant the dependency nightmare. install this version of npm, to install this version of nodejs.... etc

:D

npm install *

gingeropolous, you don't like it when your /node_modules is larger than the Monero blockchain?

Always use nodejs in containers

I LOVE node.js!

The dependency nightmare is more the supply chain attack party that come with it

ah yes, the definetly not insecure npm

It's why it should never be installed on you're bare system

I try to keep package counts very low when working with node

otherwise it's a fucking hazard

keep every project in there own container. When done, delete container!

Like, Retweet pls, thx twitter.com/Paralelni_polis/status/…30082?t=vWJ958U42_RkLvdNjkg6uw&s=19

Hello I am looking for a little support getting up and runing. Am I in the right place.

?

yes, please give specifics

then wait for an answer

It's the first time I see that nowpayments.io way to donate with other cryptocurrencies than XMR. Is that new? And does this pay directly into the XMR address for the CCS?

ajs_[m]> with NowPayments donation button, BTC/LTC/ETC is automatically converted to XMR and sent to the CCS

rbrunner: ^^

Yeah, saw that, a ChangeNow venture as it seems, just wondered how long it's possible already to donate that way

and where to see, well, whether I could trust that

(A question just out of principle, with almost all new things Monero)

If I cancel a blockchain sync with control C will it just pickup where it left off?

I am not exactly at home

I ma sure they will want me to leave sooner or latter.

don't know about control C, I just type exit into the daemon which will save the chain and then exit

that will allow you to sync from where you have exited

Ok thank you.

yw

Perhaps I should elaborate a little. I am doing this on a laptop. I run a crypto currency meetup and I want to start mining monero at that meetup. so pepole can see how the sausage is made.

Should be cool for newbies.

try gupax.io with a remote node if you're in a rush (its in beta though)

will you be mining with the built in miner in the daemon or using an external mining program like xmrig?

built in was the plan.

yeah daemon/chain needs to be synced

I was just looking at the names in the room. I know the name fluffypony. very cool.

that's the CEO of Monero (Chief Entertainment Officer)

I've seen a few interviews.

(That is a joke. Monero has no CEO.)

I got it

we don't have a Chief Entertainment Officer?

so sad

Its a unofficial mob appointment.

Well vote on it now.

All in favor type I

I

Sir this is a public library, i know you said you needed to synchronoise something on our wifi but we're closing in 20 minutes, and you please finish up

LoL

Actually I am at a Resturaunt.

anyone here has purchased a Telegram phone number on fragment using TON

Sir: do they have good internet speeds? or your off a hotspot lol

decent speed. I use this laptop strictly outside of the home and only outside of the home.

were lucky where I live good internet is everywhere.

Sir: funny thing is im in the proccess of buying one for that reason and purpose

Hot spot?

no another laptop for remote use only!

I was really disapointed at my options in hot spots at stores. Even best buy everything was branded you basically have to order online for an unbranded one.

Ahh

so i can sit at a restaurant and have a drink, but i cant with this laptop.. because i wont trust the restaurants wifi

Yeah I am desktop and pad at home but this laptop is the walk about one.

yeah fuck the hotspot everyplace has free wifi nowadays

Gonna do any war walks with your new laptop?

Computers are just a hobby for me so i personally haven't gone that far.

war walks hahaha???

war cycling war driving war walking

sniffing for wifi

I was chatting with a guy a few years back that lived above a cafe he didn't have internet at all just used theirs.

my personal favorite was war kitty.

ohhhhh

i alredy did that with my current one...

At some point I was using nearby 24/7 kebab kiosk's internet

most of my neighbors wifi pw are already cracked

Yeah same

then i wanted to try and find what network had the cameras so i can watch the cameras that watch me lol.. if you know what i mean

Sadly, or maybe not so sad, I am not that close to any buisnesses.

Yeah I have to admit that shit is anoying. Evry Dotard has ring cameras now.

Sir: Hahahaha

exactly lol

Not that I care terribly what some one does but you can't even take a walk without being on the Fing internet.

Yes sir i understand but the next customers are going to be here in 10 minutes and we need to clean your table

plowsof11: what lol??

One would think you would have the decency to point those things at your own house not the street, but nope.

Nah there cool.

I keep ordering beers.

drafts? or bottles?

bottle

heineken or corona?

Neither, guess again,

This is what i was referring to with the guide

Take the 'what are you wearing' stuff to private

plowsof11: sorry sorry! lol

Sir: budweiser or samuel adams

Worm is trying to hack the local network see if I am a hot chick.

@worm dos equis

Wow its been a long time since I have been in an IRC chat i've forgotten the commands.

Hahahaha

ik what it is but never tried it

where is the temp ban for ignoring request to take the chats to private

is it forward slash pm

tag = myname && tab for auto comple... && (message)

Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate) ok, i guess we really need to improve the getmonero guide, but, it can only be the very basic/simplest form

msg == /msg (message)

think that worked.

"How to run a node?" isn't specific enough. There are many ways to run a node for different purposes.

i agree^

everyone wants the guide for their specific purposes though - some hate docker - some hate systemd

its a tough one, but i think simply adding run time flags to have a public restricted rpc port is the missing piece of a simplistic guide

I think it needs explanation in the guide and like simple and advance setup

Simple = gui

Adnvance could be with config

s/Adnvance/Advance/

Even in the simple could reference gui has built in one

yeah simple is gui for yourself , and then 'how to run monerod with a restricted rpc port ' and then glhf is acceptable

I think there COULD ve "1 click" buttons to setup advanced stuff

But again, I dont think people should vs using obfuscation techniques that they dont understand, and they shouldt run a node expecting higher privacy

Yeah

Running a node exposes you to the entire network as a monero supporter

Probably why it needs explanation with each setup

guides on getmonero have to be as generic as possible - if you must change 1 word in the future - due to translations there will be a pull request with 4000 things changed

This how this setup works

I have a guide, dont look, its broken, on what do do for each use case

ofrnxmr[m]: Criminal ;)

Access from same device? To nothing

access from other devices on lan? Add flags

access from other devices on wan? Open ports + instructions

Setup an onion rpc? Easy too but not recommended for noobs

500kbps (onion RPC) isnt exactly a noob friendly ux, its a pain point

simple mode = DL CLI and start monrerod

Yeah needs disclosure i think

Simple,advanced, blah blah

I think its pretty simple and almost fine as is

If it needs a guide, its a DYOR thing as there are plenty of good guides available

I dont thing cli is for noob

rbrunner: nothing has come in yet. if you like, DM me your email and I could give you view-only access to the back end

s/thing/think/

Gui can be

Otherwise, just add toggles in gui for restricted rpc

I am noob and only use CLI

cause never a bug

What are opinions of mining with GUI? Get only about 700 H/s. Not even worth it?

At 700 h/s with network diff of 2.84e+11 and block reward 0.62 you can expect 0.0001 XMR per day.

Most noobs cant use cli.

Yes they can

Unless you have a set of commands

My grandma can use cli if she wants to

help = commands

People act like they cant copy and paste or read

CLI is fine

Every use case is diffrent though. I am using the cli because it will show more stuff going on that the GUI when I do the meetups. If it was just my personal machine I am not the best tech person so i would probably just try GUI,

Thats my point you would need to have a list of commands and explain them

that=Than*

even just a couple recomended links to Youtube videos would be great.

or you could just use the commands and see what happens

You dont want people to blindly cooy commands

you can't break it

s/cooy/copy/

nioc I disagree i can break anything.

Yeah my special power

ok lis = help all

list*

DanIsnotthemanBr: Huh

Isnt that was gui is

DanIsnotthemanBr: And yeah.. help all has a list of the commands and explains them all

Except for --proxy 😝 iirc --proxy isnt explained lolol

Copy commands is fine if you can trust the source

truth is I started b4 there was a GUI and am too stewpid and lazy to learn the GUI

also people think I am hacker :D

lol Well I am out Im running out of juice and this outlet dose not work.

l8r

Re cli, I prefer config files to copy and pasting flags

Thanks for the help folks.

l8r.

nioc: "also people think I am hacker" <--- thats how it begins, and then you actually are a hacker

hey hey where can we go chistmas shopping with monero!

20:10 < wormrobot> nioc: "also people think I am hacker" <--- thats how it begins, and then you actually are a hacker

I once got accused of "hacking" someone's computer at a Panera Bread.

I was just using a text mode IRC client.

The guy didn't accuse me to my face. He complained to a manager.

20:17 < wormrobot> hey hey where can we go chistmas shopping with monero!

wormrobot: You could also use "CakePay", I guess, if you use Cake Wallet.

I guess it's "Cake Pay", with a space in it.

damn apotheon hacked my comp and made it light up and make sounds

Can also use coincards to buy Amazon.com gift cards, then can buy anything on amazon.

Guess Cake Pay can do that too

all I want for christmas is mooonero

I always accumulate Mooooonero, not only on christmas.

All income that is not spent is converted in monero!

Ah non, actually all income is in Monero and monero is spent, what's important is that the amount of monero go up.

* go up over time.

mgu

Hello I need some help

I am trying to sync the chain here at a coffee shop and I think the dameon keeps loosing its connection.

2022-12-15 23:11:48.388 D Destructing connection #84 to 136.54.58.235

2022-12-15 23:11:48.388 I [83.48.65.179:18080 OUT] [0] state: closed in state synchronizing

2022-12-15 23:11:48.388 I [83.48.65.179:18080 8ce210a5-efdb-45e1-93bb-f3658d9a4172 OUT] CLOSE CONNECTION

am I interpreting this correctly?

I am assuming this is some fire wall shit with the coffe shop.

anyone home?

guess not.

ok I am going to assume that this is a fire wall thing and change locations.

yep it was a fire wall issue do not try to synch the chain at star bucks.

i assume it would take way too long to sync anyway

unless you go there multiple days lol

you can always stop it and pick up another day.

I am doing it as an example for my crypto meetup.

so it has to be on the laptop

Did my message even post.

I dropped a message about the problem @ like 18:13:27

oh wait that is a local time tag and my clock is bad anyway never mind.

Revuo Monero. Issue 150: December 8 - 15, 2022. revuo-xmr.com/issue-150.html

What does everyone think of the Elizabeth warren bill. Seems like and abortion to me.

apotheon: thank you! ill check it out

I need new ways to acquire cryptocurrencies.

I want a cleaner onramp from fiat.

Cake Wallet supports Visa allegedly

apotheon, sell your body services for crypto.