Testi

send 1 xmr to complete test

I want to buy some more wow but don't want to convert my xmr to btc

this world sucks

<cockliuser[m]> "Hugbunter posted an update" <- He's been saying the site will be up soon for weeks.

He actually gave an ETA

He said it would be up in the older replies

He didn't say when

Now we are mostly sure it'll be up within the week

cockliuser[m]: Maybe he's waiting for the drug addicts to go into withdrawal comas so there's less traffic on the site 😂😂

i am addicted to caffeine libera.chat/policies

I feel like the fact that swedish law doesn't allow discrimination is a bad thing

Because discrimination is very subjective

Acting in contempt based on race/religion etc etc is obviously discrimination

But you can group lots of other disputes that aren't discrimination under discrimination

Perhaps creating the concept of a "thought crime"

<cockliuser[m]> "I feel like the fact that..." <- I'll support this philosophy with an extension. The government shouldn't be telling citizens what they can and can't say. It should be up to the citizens to collectively resist behavior and embrace desired culture.

The government is supposed to reflect the people not the other way around imo

why do bitcoin mixers exist? isn't converting to xmr a better way to "clean" bitcoin?

i was under the assumption that btc converted to xmr and then converted back to btc would have no link to the original bitcoin. so why do people go through mixers instead of just converting to monero?

> <@zulmunotro:matrix.org> why do bitcoin mixers exist? isn't converting to xmr a better way to "clean" bitcoin?

> i was under the assumption that btc converted to xmr and then converted back to btc would have no link to the original bitcoin. so why do people go through mixers instead of just converting to monero?

Scams and existed in mainstream before XMR started to take over.

is btc/xmr atomic swap a thing?

Yes

COMIT's implementation is in rust though which might be a deterrent

Farcaster is also rust

Any idea for good shopping proxy (that work with ebay)?

I never used that kind of thing but I need something I only found there so far (and the ebay gift card are no go if not in USA)

Contact the seller and ask for crypto payment?

cockliuser[m]: Could try to do that actually

Does anyone here want cock.li invites or know someone that wants them?

maybe privacy.com?

Needs a bank account

pickup and pay in cash?

You could buy a prepaid from allark.io

and then wipe there memory

Found some SRAM chip compatible with the chip I have on aliexpress (I think), after looking at many images and datasheets... If they don't work then I will have to recheck the ebay thing.

With prepaid, could work.

Would be nice if ebay add that cash option like aliexpress... Can only dream lol

havnt seen pigs fly yet

there is paypal global on there which ebay accepts paypal. dunno how it works cause paypal wonts to know everything

need a proxy ebay account

* ebay account service

If the market wants it, someone will sell it

<DanIsnotthemanBr> "need a proxy ebay account" <- Should be a service on localmonero or one of those other Monero marketplaces

Until then, I bet someone on here would be willing. You're gonna have to trust someone with your mail drop address though.

Is this bridged to irc

yeah

irc.libera.chat/#monero

are emojis transmitted raw or not transmitted at all

that i am not sure. i dont use irc

Libera natively support matrix bridging?

s/support/supports/

cool

hmm 🤔

Holy fuck

Emojis are transmitted raw

i know xmpp is here to, dunno whats the room is tho

emoji are just unicode characters, not treated any differently from any other text

Yeah but IRC used to be ascii-only

And many people connect from terminals that can't render most utf characters

then they'll see the individual UTF8 bytes

Yeah, which is not optimal

(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

<cockliuser[m]> "And many people connect from..." <- I watched a kubernetes tutorial yesterday and the terminal had emojis. Looked awful 😖

There's lots of three way arbitrage opportunities on TO

Esp XMR to USDT to BTC to XMR

Do you use a bot for that?

And why wouldn't TO run one itself

I don't do it myself, just that the opportunities are there

cockliuser[m] fees, slippage and other bots make it hardly possible

I've checked that even with fees you can make a small profit, even manually

cockliuser[m]: I thought the same for thorchain when they still had UST. 1k UST would have given you 1015$ of BUSD synths

When i tried to make the swap, my UST got stuck onchain

TO is not onchain though

And i had to beg support on discord to do something bcs they initially didn't think there was a problem

Damn that sucks

I got the UST back, exchanged it for BTC, sent to ogre and swapped for monero :P

3 weeks before Luna collapsed

I wonder what specs a machine running a trading bot would need to be the fastest bot

Bandwidth is obviously the first spec but how much would be fast enough

First and foremost, low latency

If you can figure out where the exchange is physically hosted

You could pay the Datacenter to put your box onto the same switch :P

That would be fast to the power of 10 lol

Also why its weird to wouldn't just host a bot on the same machine

They don't even have to pay fees

Hey I am kinda new to the crypto world and was wondering if it makes sense to buy monero from Binance (low fees) and then use a trusted swap like sideshift to get whatever token you might need. This should be private, has low fees and you get whatever token you want right?

The privacy aspect only works if Binance and Side shift aren't collaborating (I think)

s/Side/Sideshift/, s/shift//

<cockliuser[m]> "The privacy aspect only works if..." <- Exact, if you do not churn between, they might know it's you (if they are indeed collaborating). Note that the more output in the TX (with many coin from binance being sent to Sideshift), that more it add confidence too.

Just to be sure, wait a day after getting it from binance than send it to yourself

Hm i guess I have to think about it some more. I think it is just a big pain that you buy tokens from a dex at a way higher price than what they currently really are :/

Token as in ethereum stuff?

If you're using an exchange to buy stuff, you might as well buy Monero directly from Kraken anyway

Also, Monero is not an ETH token

I mean something like bisq and local monero

Yeah just use kraken

Some bids and some asks on TO make you want to reach through the screen and slap the shit out of the trader

Imagine if you could actually do that

what is the vpn u guys recommend the most?

None

Don't use VPNs unless you're hosting it yourself

It's basically a proxy with a huge markup

cockliuser[m]: why

Depends on what you want the vpn for tbh.

cockliuser[m]: .

Most people just want it for the proxy, not the security. :P

pashanim[m]: The vpn provider can monitor your data

i want to play quake using another ip and have low ping

Snipa: Then buy a proxy

Well yes, I'm aware.

i use perfect-privacy.com they use ramdisk

However, a proxy is harder to use than a nice integrated VPN tunnel.

i just use a node on my tailscale network if I need to bounce things out of the house.

Snipa: Socks5 proxies are the easiest things to use

For some applications, yes.

For others, no.

If your app doesn't suppot it natively, you need to wrap it and do a bunch of other stupidity.

But if you're doing it in a browser, I do agree.

I'd be willing to bet that the user wanting to buy a VPN doesn't want for the applications that can't use proxies

* doesn't want it for the

Probally, but I also don't exepct them to know how to set it up as well.

what do u think abt ramdisk vpn?

What do you want a vpn for

privacy

Don't use a vpn then

Get a VPS somewhere, bought w/ monero, throw up your own wireguard exit node.

Not a VPN service atleast

^^

"all depends on your threat model". I run OpenVPN on a VPS that also serves some other proxies for family & friends (Invidious, etc). A government can clearly see what's up, but my ISP/coporate masters don't

alr

I cheese it and use tailscale because I don't want to manage the keys, but I accept that risk factor.

but do you know kinox? it was a german illegal movie streaming service that was searched by interpol & bka. They used a vpn that uses ramdisk and doesnt log ips, they never got caught.

With a vpn your just moving your trust from isp to them. Its better but them you need to trust the vpn

s/them/then/

vpns can offer some plausible deniability

DanIsnotthemanBr: That's why I run my own OpenVPN

Snipa: what vps provider would u recommend ?

I use mullvad just to not be the lowest hanging fruit in case the totally legit streaming websites get taken down by the feds

I use ivpn

monerobull[m]1: Proxies will work for you

i use perfect-privacy

Unironically, stop paying mullvad so much money

5€ for mullvad vs what, 15€ for Netflix (which has a shit selection and sometimes even lower quality than the free streaming sites)

Proxies are like 20x cheaper

Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): Never heard of ivpn. What makes it better?

monerobull[m]1: And mullvad takes Monero

I don't suggest any. I worked for PIA many, many years ago, but don't recommend them as I don't work for them any more.

Using a vps is the same thing. Need to trust there not logging traffic and they wont gice your data over

I know proxy services that accept monero

Snipa so you know how they forward data to the govt?

s/gice/give/

does anyone know perfect-privacy.com?

as2333, When I was there? No.

Once I left, no idea.

This was almost a decade ago now tho.

Snipa k

I found this by googling, seems to explain it well

OIC, ivpn is a company. No, I mean, I self-host OpenVPN on a cloud VM/VPS

xmrfn[m]: No log audits and security audits and also hq in Gibraltar

cockliuser[m]: Take a read

Tbh mullvad or ivpn for vpns services

They accept xmr

Direct

i know many ppl that were searched by the bka (german gov) many years bc of blackmailing politicans and frauding they used vpn and never got caught

Smspool accepts xmr too I believe

They have proxies

Rotating, residential ones

DanIsnotthemanBr: do they use ramdisk servers?

Mullvad

I prefer to self-host. You still have to worry about the VPS provider, but as they are not specifically a VPN provider I suspect they aren't going to be logging to that degree.

True

VPN people out in full force today :)

Your usecase doesn't need a VPN my man

Except if you selfhost

cockliuser[m]: it does

But ivpn always get audited

github.com/OpenVPN

pashanim[m]: Your vpn provider is an overpriced honeypot

They can and will log stuff

Proxychains ftw

cockliuser[m]: haha bro, its there since so many years, so many cases and noone got caught

highly illegal stuff done on that vpn

noone caught

pashanim[m]: No one does illegal stuff on vpn :)

how?

What are you trying to do? With the vpn

Unless ofc you're self hosting

DanIsnotthemanBr: what do u think?

Dunno

Google search

pashanim[m]: Unless the criminal is mentally disabled, he will use TOR not a VPN :)

DanIsnotthemanBr: Obfuscate all my normal internet activity from my ISP and their corporate & gov't asociates

Not you

cockliuser[m]: i know a like 30+ ppl only using vpn (perfect-privacy.com and opvn.com) for over 10years doing illegal things, noone caught

o sorry I forget sometimes it's not about me :P

cockliuser[m] so tor isnt a honeypot eh

pashanim[m]: Sure you do :)

cockliuser[m]: bro

Much less than VPNs

s/VPNs/VPN services/

pashanim[m]: do u know kinox?

as2333: Last message was replying

* Last message was replying to this

Fyi this is public chat so throwing around doing illegal things isnt probably the best

idc

pashanim[m]: This torrentfreak.com/kinox-to-operator-…ced-to-40-months-in-prison-151217/?

Pwnd

This? torrentfreak.com/kinox-to-operator-…enced-to-40-months-in-prison-151217

cockliuser[m]: "However, despite the massive police response the two main operators are still on the run today while the site remains online."

Sounds like piratebay until he got caught and that aote was seized.

"verified no logging VPN service provider" PIA

s/aote/size/

s/aote/site/

haha

Owned by nord i think?

anyway indeed vpns are hardly trustworthy, but the whole arpanet is a privacy disaster anyway - incluind of coure the pentagon's toy tor.

yall should do research on pp and ovpn

pashanim[m]: do you really think they're using VPNs?

cockliuser[m]: yes, they used ovpn 100%

Yes they definitely met with you in person and told you that :)

cockliuser[m]: i mean there are cases lol

None

and ovpn couldnt give any information

because of ramdisk servers

That's what they tell you :)

And even if it was a ramdisk, there wouldn't be anything preventing them from just imaging the ramdisk periodically

cockliuser[m]: why are there so many cases where they couldnt give any information else than email than?

im still not bust after about 11years

Are these "cases" in the room with us right now?

pashanim[m]: XD

what?

Knock knock

Who's there

Fbi

FBI who

Fbi ima arrest you

You vpn terrorist

:)

and mullvad is shit... i know a guy (he was 15) he got bust like 1 week after doing some of the trolling. he always had killswitch on

wow, you know so many guys

Really, a testimonial to human communication

Beautiful

shit vpn

i dont know a single person that got bust while using pp

Just don't use VPN services and you'll be fine

pashanim[m]: Because no one uses VPNs for illegal stuff?

cockliuser[m]: many ppl do

Those "many people" don't exist

cockliuser[m]: everyone on crimenetwork and cm does

If you're using a VPN for piracy, let me tell you that the government doesn't care if you're pirating enough to ask your vpn for data

pashanim[m]: Pseudo-crime forums :) ?

If your doing “illegal stuff” i would use tor, encrypts 3 times and current node only knows ip from previous node.

cockliuser[m]: most known european boards

Next you'll say that nulled is actually a professional hacking forum

nulled is not

haha

and crimemarket is not a hacking forum

Clearnet forums are honeypots:)

bro

* are honeypots :)

how do u know?

Imagine actually visiting a website named crimemarket

cockliuser[m]: biggest german fraud board

Lol word search ping

pashanim[m]: If that doesn't shout "HONEYPOT" in bold, I don't know what does

cockliuser[m]: how ?

can u explain

Probably need an account too i guess

If you can't understand why, I'm sorry but I can't explain

pashanim[m]: If you can't understand why, I'm sorry but I can't explain

DanIsnotthemanBr: not for visiting

cockliuser[m]: germany hat many forums back than, non of them were honeypots most of them got bust, bc tech was not that good back than

and crimenetwork ist still there after all that years

pashanim[m]: Tech is not going to save you from a bust

crimemarket is kinda new tho

Just have to say xmr cause this on topic so mod gods don’t say anything

but its ran by a known guy

cockliuser[m]: if u think so

If anything it will aid a bust

cockliuser[m]: from my experience it does

Anyway don't want to get kicked for offtopic so uh have fun with your vpn services and "crime forums"

ON THE CLEARNET too

Oo

cockliuser[m]: it has onion mirrors

i use them

Good. A service that is hosted over clearnet is inherently insecure due to the fact that servers can be easily tracked though.

pashanim[m]: like if tor was untraceable

leave us alone then, this is not the place for 'crime' discussion

Thats the crime channel

exactly

Where governed by the swedish chef

why do yall use monero than haha

monero = only for crime

like fr

So is cash

monero = drugcoin

noice

lol

monero means money sir

Do you use entirely different wallets for churning or just different accounts?

Doesn't matter, can be back to the sending address

Addresses are not on the blockchain

Alright thank you :)

> monero = only for crime

What the problem?

Fuck IRS

fuck the state

> <@_xmpp_euterpre=40xmpp.is:matrix.org> > monero = only for crime

> What the problem?

fr

Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever chooses, without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does..

not sure why nothing is said about fiat in that regard. Per volume, it has a much more ample use in crime than anything else by a very long shot

fiat is the money of crime

it was created with the sole purpose of deceive it's users

s/money/currency/

(fractional reserve system for example and what it represents - debt)

hope this sets the record strait

* Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does..

* Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does, actually even worse

* Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties. It represents crime in the same way fiat does, actually fiat is much much worse

* Monero is freedom, it represents the liberty I have to transact value for value to whoever I choose and without the meddling or eavesdrop of 3rd parties.

s/it's/its/

s/strait/straitgh/

s/strait/straight/

instructions unclear, record warped

nothing wrong with crime

the very organization that "enforces the law" is the most criminal and corrupt of all

absolutely

crime is whatever the state dictates, which in itself is a mafia

severity of crime is proportional to how much of a threat it poses to the monopoly of said mafia