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<privacygurl[m]> "and i see remote nodes listed..." <- Those are mine, yes

article bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-02…ace-uk-trial-over-lost-cryptoassets

seems to be related to a suit filed by CSW's company in April 2021

very few details in the article, unfortunately

if BTC core loses the case, hard to see what differentiates them from us or devs of any other open source project

basically says you're liable if anyone loses money running your code

which is a more stringent standard than even proprietary commercial software is held to

OTOH, these devs may only be targets because they're in for-profit corps like Blockstream

Isnt it faketoshi?

isn't who?

Craig wright doing this trying to get coins he doesnt own

is it only that? or are there other people tryuing to get back stolen coins too?

The company sueing them is owned by craig

Hes trying to set precedence with all his cases

Monero license explicitly says developers are not liable: github.com/monero-project/monero/blob/master/LICENSE

yeah, I see that. seems like he's getting close to success.

DanIsnotthemanBr: ^

sech1: doesn't the bitcoin license also say that? github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/blob/master/COPYING

yes, so this will be a non-event for btc devs

makes sense

otherwise the whole open source software licensing system is broken

I think this is craig last attempt. The last case he one and was awarded $1. But the judge said he gave false evidence and lied.

That was defamation case too

yeah, that made no sense to me. giving false evidence should have killed his case completely.

s/one/won/

I mean the $1 award is kind of a slap in the face, but he should have simply lost.

The guy is a nutjob

Funded by a billionaire

ohhh, who's supporting him?

since he's obviously not living off satoshi's unspent coins

hello

im looking to exchange some of my monero to btc. wondering if changenow is reliable/gives clean coins

i dont want to end up with a wallet full of dirty bit

s/bit/btc/

what do you need to do with the btc? if you just need to spend them somewhere, send them directly from the exchanger to whoever you're dealing with

Trocador

<hyc> "what do you need to do with..." <- im looking to buy giftcards with the btc

i didnt know that you could send them directly from the exchanger? how does one do this/are there any guides to doing this?

you can't buy the giftcards using xmr?

hyc: unfortunately i cant.

when you use an exchanger you have to tell them a wallet address to send your coins to. just put in the wallet address of the place you're buying from.

how does the place im buying from know to send the card to me?

if they're receiving from the exchange?

usually you will have placed an order and they will have generated a unique wallet address that goes with your order

oh yeah ur right

im wondering how this is safer than me receiving the coins and then using those coins to pay for the order?

because the coins never touch a wallet that you own. so if they're tainted coins, they won't taint your wallets

ah. what about in a scenario where i use a brand new wallet?

in that case would it make no difference? or would there still be a benefit in paying directly from the exchanger?

as long as you discard the wallet after that one use, I guess

are there any exchangers that have good reputation

aka ones that dont give u tainted coins

personally I have no bitcoin wallet. The few times I've needed to send anyone bitcoin I've done it directly from an exchanger

hyc: can i ask what exchanger you used?

I used to use xmr.to but they don't exist any more. fixedfloat was prob good

hyc: xmr to lighnting right? ill check them out

so you're not in a place where coincards.com works, or coincards doesn't have the card you're looking for?\

they've added cards when I've asked about particular ones

hyc: dont want to self dox but im currently living in australia. will be a few years till i get back to the states so yeah, unfortunately coin cards wont work for me

hyc: maybe i could try to email them about adding cards in australia but dont think it would do much to help haha

ah

hyc: can i ask waht do u do when u want to cash out in general? when you want pure cash fiat rather than giftcards?

afaik there aren't really any ATMS that do monero to fiat. all the ones i've seen only accept btc

I haven't cashed out. I've spent some coins here and there, and sent them as donations

hyc: donations?

yeah, I donated XMR to openprivacy

and a few other organizations\

first time hearing about openprivacy

ill check them out

openprivacy.ca

and to the Canadian truckers. (no, just kidding)

lol

hopefully u did it in xmr

(theoretically)

lol

jeez well i dont see what i can do besides take a flight and cash out overseas :(

Australia banned xmr from local exchanges didn't they

pretty sure

they are talks about banning encryption as well lol

s/they/there/

Hello everyone!

hi

I'm completely new to mining and i got one question, is this the right channel to ask ?

this channel or the monero mining channel

not sure if we have a specific mining FAQ channel on IRC, in the meantime, lurk on r/moneromining and read this from top to bottom reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/…_for_noobs_read_this_before_posting

Sweet, so as i said im completly new into the mining and i decided to mine monero, i also decided to start mining via pool (Not P2P), i would like to know if its possible to mine with my AMD Ryzen 3 1200 GPU if it's good for it and if possible someone knows the average hash rate of that GPu cause i got consfused and on internet i dibnt managed to found that info

How many GB for full xmr blockchain?

141

well shit

My VPS has 130 lol

I guess there is no way to prune mid sync, or anyway to prune before filling?

pruning mid sync will 'expand' the used disk space by 'what you currently have += 50gb'

Not an expert, but I believe if you set up pruning before your first sync then it'll do what you want.

you may be better off deleting everything and starting from scratch with --prune-blockchain

So just monerod --detach --prune-blockchain?

but how to delete the blockchain I've already started downloading?

sorry, yes, ignore my comment about expanding - i was talking about 'pruning the entire lmdb file with the pruning tool'

But it won't make the DB any smaller right? Just will reuse existing allocation with new blocks?

yeah wont get smaller switching to --prune-blockchain (only thereafter)

delete the .bitmonero folder if you want to start from scratch with --prune-blockchain

And juts to be clear once i sync with prune it will be <141 GB?

50~60

Does that hurt privacy?

plowsof11: 54.7 Gb for me

Pcubensis[m]: nope

I think it could make syncing your wallet slower

someoneelse49549: what exaclty is it doing?

Since you'll have to pull blocks from other nodes

Impact is that your node can't contribute to verifications.

monerobull[m]1: Hmm, well maybe i'll just add more storage

smathy: This is not correct AFAIK

How quickly does the chain grow. Like within a year how big will it get?

if i point my wallet at my pruned node - my wallet isnt going to talk to other nodes

plowsof11: what if it has to query very old blocks?

500gb ssds are like 30$. I got a used one for 20 for my rockpi

monerobull[m]1: never seen one that cheap before

plowsof11: But your node is

where'd you get it?

Rucknium[m]: Ah, sorry. Got ahead of myself.

P. cubensis: It doesn't remove old blocks. It removes proofs and signatures, but not the main data that is necessary for continuing to act as a node.

From some teenager on German craigslist

And it removes just 7/8th of the proofs and signatures

a pruned node is like any other, it just bins (pls confirm) 7/8ths? of data

monerobull[m]1: haha, well this is for vps so i just gotta pay like $2 usd extra for like 50gb

Ahh, sorry, this is what I was thinking of:

> The drawback is that you will contribute less to Monero P2P network in terms of helping new nodes to sync up (up to 1/8 of normal contribution).

Pcubensis[m]: Oh i see

> <@smathy:matrix.org> Ahh, sorry, this is what I was thinking of:

> > The drawback is that you will contribute less to Monero P2P network in terms of helping new nodes to sync up (up to 1/8 of normal contribution).

a

how fast does blockchain grow?

^ Read this

Pcubensis[m]: f a s t

"'Pruning' allows node operators to save 2/3 of storage space while keeping the full transaction history. Pruning works by removing 7/8 of unnecessary ring signature data. The 1/8 remaining data will be available to the other nodes and will be used to sync with the network. Other pruned nodes will have a random 1/8 of the data, which they will also make available to the network. There are no privacy or security downsides when using a pruned

node."

Rucknium[m]: ty, but how does 1/8 of ring sigs = saving 100GB?

P. cubensis: It's 7/8th

oh wait 7/8 my b

ok, i'm gonna try pruning for now and see how it goes.

P. cubensis: If what you are doing is mission-critical, then be careful about blockchain size growth predictions since if transaction volume increases rapidly then the block size would increase rapidly.

Rucknium[m]: xmr doesn't have fixed block size?

Pcubensis[m]: no it's a feature

blocks can dynamically grow

based on the number of transactions in the pool

It's not really the number of txs in the pool. It's the number (and size) of the txs confirmed by miners.

mb

oh ok, well i'm just experimenting, if the vps fills i'll just make a new one

if using linux vps type df -lh

where is .bitmonero folder?

Paying Uber with Monero in São Paulo, Brazil:

P. cubensis: In your user's home folder probably.

P. cubensis: wrong window, you meant to use a search engine for that question

Rucknium[m]: hmm must have just deleted it when i ctrl+c'd the sync

That would be very unlikely

<Pcubensis[m]> "how fast does blockchain grow?" <- This table charts historic monthly growth: localmonero.co/blocks/stats/blockchain-growth

kowalabearhugs-: I don't think that data is correct. At least, it's not total size of the database file on disk.

nvm it was in /root/.bitmonero

why didnt the blockchain have any growth between 1970 and 2014

P. cubensis: You started monerod as root? Not recommended.

hmm, i can't connect to the daemon unless i sudo

plowsof11: bandwith issues i guess

probably yeah.. hard drives got cheaper too probably

Rucknium[m]: Yaaa, I believe that might list the raw data and it doesn't take into consideration additional database elements. The actual file size on disk will vary depending on OS and filesystem.

yeah but floppy disk was good too

I mean a 4MB blockchain was a thing

* @Rucknium hmm, i

I'm still not sure if this could work with the chain foliophotonics.com

The readers are still like 5k but the storage itself is 3$ per TB

If the readers get a lot cheaper that would be nice

I think tapes like this are one-time write but a Blockchain should be the perfect application for that, no?

You want to archive the blockchain in a long-term storage system so it could never be lost over time? sounds good to me

I know there are reorgs from time to time but I'm sure you could keep the last 10 blocks in ram or on SSD before saving to tape

someoneelse49549: Nah it's just that if the readers get cheaper, we could save decades of Blockchain for like 10$

So nodes would only be limited by bandwidth

Not sure how practical this is. I've never used tapes before

monerobull[m]1: it's like paper but more modern and without paper

anyway it'll be slow for write operations

True

it's like the mean of a tape

Hm

There should still be times with lower demand, right

Cache during daytime in ssd and slowly write to tape over the course of the day

If Monero (or any other cryptoccurency) get to that level of investement to save its database. I think daytime will be as active as night, depending of where you are

Daytime where? Anyway, I think LMDB won't work well with tape.

HSE on the way

the dark side of the moon

Rucknium[m]: US & EU i guess

There should be at least some hours with less traffic

Anyways, SSD storage is getting cheaper and cheaper anyways, tapes are probably massive overkill with bad performance

theorically the hours where the country with the highest bandwith are in the dark

monerobull[m]1: SSD use some materials like silver that are going to be rare

It can't get cheaper for long imo

We can mine the trash dumps for discarded electronics ;)

do ssd's use silver? (i know cpu's use gold)

Will silver start to quantum-tunnel out of existence? I don't see a silver supply crunch on the horizon, but I may be wrong.

plowsof11: iirc yes but i'm gonna check to be sure

can't be sure for ssd, but it is widely used for printed circuits.

* printed circuits in general.