Hi all. Can you please tell me how long ago this option was available? I do not remember that at the stage of negotiations I had to give my address.

Please hold. Someone will be with your shortly.

*hold music*

<tom-1> "Hi all. Can you please tell me..." <- in recent months its always been like this

hello

Guest6899: Hey

if you want to send with one tx monero to 100+ people there is error like "failed to find a suitable way to split transactions"   because of very big tx

What wallet do you use

is a solution to compile your own monero and change BULLETPROOF_MAX_OUTPUTS  on config

monero wallet

No shit

I thought maybe you use use bitcoin wallet

facepalm

Guest6899: IIRC it is impossible to send a Monero transaction with more than 16 outputs. Enforced by blockchain consensus rules. You can't get around the limit by recompiling wallets

i definitely need a few days break

so we need to wait seraphis

I was thinking if you try to using gui or cli, it will split into multiple tx (?). Never tried though

I don't think Seraphis will affect the limit. It is probably there to reduce transaction diversity and to limit easy flooding/black marble attacks.

Ruck is probably right. Ofrnxmr didnt RTFM

An exception to the 16 outputs rule is coinbase transactions. So you could find a block and send more than 16 outputs in the coinbase tx.

how?

Mine. And then you would be sending about 0.6 XMR in total

i have wallet mining but how to do this,really i dont understand

what is your question?

You send 1tx to 16 people

Guest6899: The more realistic answer is that you cannot

Then you did that 5.25 more times

s/did/do/

Sir. Do you accept my answer?

How many days off do you need, plowsof?

Follow ofrnxmr 's instructions. There is a 10 block lock on new outputs. You can sort of avoid that by pre-splitting outputs

the problem here is that i want to send more than 0.6 !

the amount is irrelevant 😭

If you follow ofrnxmr 's instructions, you can send as much as you want

You were confused by the exception that isn't really useful to you

<tom-1> "Hi all. Can you please tell me..." <- Over a year at this point.

tom: sorry for the long wait. Hope this clears everything up! Have a nice day!

Alex|LocalMonero: Thumbs up for the AMA. A great opportunity for Agoradesk to gain traction given the recent Localbitcoins shutdown.

twitter down for everyone or what

seems to working at my end

Working here too

Up here

did faketoshi get you banned for spreading lies?

lies are fine, the truth actually bothers

:D

When I start monero up i see this message:

New log categories: *:WARNING,net:FATAL,net.http:FATAL,net.ssl:FATAL,net.p2p:FATAL,net.cn:FATAL,daemon.rpc:FATAL,global:INFO,verify:FATAL,serialization:FATAL,daemon.rpc.payment:ERROR,stacktrace:INFO,logging:INFO,msgwriter:INFO,blockchain:INFO

in my monero.conf I have log-level=0,blockchain:INFO

Given to me by somone, I forgot who here a long while back, and it seems to spit out exactly what I want. Is that format deprecated or?

what version?

v0.18.1.2

im not sure myself (never messed with log levels) hopefully someone else knows or ask in #monero-dev:monero.social

That line is output before your settings take effect.

It's also useful to know how the logger is configured when reading logs, so it's defaulting to enabled.

I think so, it's the very first output in the log when I start the service

If it really bothers you, just remove it and recompile.

It doesn't bother me... and things seem fine. I'm just hoping the log-level I'm setting is the proper way to do it

It is a correct setting.

ok thank you m0000

<XMR = gamer cash> im gonna cum now dont @ me

@bridgerton

hello. My laptop doesn't have enough storage to have a local node, so I have to use a remote one. Which one should I pick? I'm not sure which is safest

The one from the person you're sure will not spy on you or otherwise trick you.

But what if I don't know anybody?

Either buy a larger disk or, if you did not know about it, use a pruned node.

IIRC a pruned node needs like 50 GB for the chain, vs 150 GB, very roughly.

A pruned node takes 69,8 GB at the moment

Just know that there *are* assholes around who run nodes that do screw with people.

Ouch. Thanks.

usually onion monero nodes are less likely to try scamming people

otherwise, hashvault.pro nodes are pretty reliable

55gb

ofrnxmr[m] prunes harder.

I guess the Rino people won't screw you either: community.rino.io/nodes.html

(Never tried myself however)

Oh yes, I think that's someone I would trust if I had to trust someone.

But I'd still try not to have to :)

nell2: thanks for the reply, I'll check with them in the chat why such changes are needed

Yes, that is indeed step 4

moneromooo can I use an external hard drive for the node?

Yes, just make sure it's fast enough.

SSD is highly recommended. Spinning ones are very bad at random I/O, which monero does a lot of.

thanks moneromooo

Hello, how can I buy Monero with classic money? I couldn't find any info besides going to some exchange site and praying that I won't get ignored or scammed.

Or, possibly, is it saner by using another cryptocurrency as a middle man?

Hey. Are you trying to buy monero, and are ok with being ID'd to do so?

Or would you prefer a peer-to-peer exchange?

Being deanonymized is unavoidable as online payment with non-cryptocurrency is inherently tied to my real identity. I hope that I can anonymize further transactions, such that the only thing tied to my real identity is that I bought monero and how much.

s/./ (which is why I chose Monero)/

If you are ok with the ID (kyc) process, Kraken is a good option for USD/XMR

Binance also has xmr, but I dont recommend binance

I have tried an exchange site I found recommended, but I just got ignored by the seller, and the overall thing seemed pretty shady

The best would be using a standard online payment system (paypal or credit card)

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> If you are ok with the ID (kyc) process, Kraken is a good option for USD/XMR

>

> Binance also has xmr, but I dont recommend binance

I'll check out Kraken

By Know Your Customer, do they demand further details than just paypal / credit card?

As both are tied to a real identity

Government ID

They want a picture of a government ID?

Yep

Oh

Is there a saner method?

Some want a video of you talking and turning your head 😅

Christ

thatsinewave[m]: Its getting more and more insane every year

Why tho, a credit card is essentially an ID except it's not insane to identify with...

The sanest, imo, find a friend.

That would be quite hard

I am a tech person, not a people person >_<

Haven't found any friends yet, yet alone that have Monero

* yet alone ones that have

Krakens kyc process was detailed ok their website the last time I checked

Shows who can sign up, what coins and limits. And the level of KYC needed

Looking at the Kraken website, they mention no information about KYC

Quite shady >_<

* about KYC on their frontpage

Kraken is one of the only honest ones. Its likely 2 clicks away

Hmm

Why do they want all of those if they just get them automatically by having my credit card...

So they can run a check on you before they ask for your credit card

Because they're required by law to ask for it

The aml in KYC AML means anti money laundering.

Just getting it from a 3rd party doesn't satisfy the requirements, they need you to give it and then they check what you give against 3rd parties

BRUH

?

Starter tier can't withdrwa crypto anyway, you'll need to verify to intermediate

Then you'll get respectable withdraw limits.

What is "Highest limit"

> Kraken offers our full services

Express is useless

Uhuh, which number is that

BusyBoredom[m]: Express*

thatsinewave[m]: Intermediate

It's Pro, but I am asking how much money is it

Oh derp yeah you're right, starter can do crypto and express can do fiat.

thatsinewave: are you asking what pro costs or what the limits are?

Pro is 10m

The limits

Intermediate 500k

Crypto

Where do you find those numbers?

s/do/did/

You can ask for higher limits on Pro too if 10m isn't enough.

Interesting

Their other table says something else

They are the same picture

Why does one say What the local laws say while the other says 10 million USD

:P

You know his a chart works, right

Starter low aka 5k

Express none aka 0

Intermediate high aka 500k

pro highest aka 10m

They are, the same, picture

Where did you find the information that Highest is 10M? One page says that the maximum cryptocurrency withdrawal is Highest, defined as as What the local laws say, while the other says that the maximum cryptocurrency withdrawal is 10M. This is conflicting information

> Your funding limits depend on many factors like your residency, verification level and the asset you're trying to deposit or withdraw.

RTFM

Top to bottom plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: sir

thatsinewave[m]: You click that purple text that says "highest" and it takes you to a whole new world

Hmm, seems like I missed the superscript 2 since the chart is a bit confusing

* superscript 2 missing since the

You can also just chat with kraken support if you can't figure stuff out from the charts. They're way better at this than we are

I see

Speak for yourself! Im going for gold stars

Haha

Lol ok fair, you and plowsof are up there

And here I thought that KYC was just Knowing Your Customer, no, it should be HYCS, Have Your Customer's Soul

s/Knowing/Know/

\>_<

Yep

Soon they will ask for noods

You joke but I actually wouldn't be surprised

I can def see eg. EU doing that

The desire for anti-privacy is real

Im not joking at all

The US is the worst offender by far

Outlaw encryption, ban memes, mandate MITM!

I opened my bank account with nothing more than my name and phone number

:O

Crypto account, the same. A year later they asked for id. Then 6 months laher they asked me to link my bank account

Then they wanted a selfie video

MY BANK DOESNT EVEM HAVE THAT

ofrnxmr[m]: Don't they have security cameras

not kraken btw

Off banks have cameras

s/Off/Ofc/

thatsinewave[m]: The video theybwanted, was "look straight into camera, turn head left and hold, turn head right and hold, say "my name if ofrnxmr 123556789""

Like they need to clonegpt me or something

HAhahahaha

Kinda highlights how nice monero is at least. You can get KYCd into oblivion, withdraw, pay your pornhub subscription and nobody is the wiser.

I am pretty sure this is exactly what you use for training a model

Yep.

They froze my account (no xmr exchange) to ask why I buy btc and withdraw immedately and where I store it

BusyBoredom[m]: I'll pay my pornhub subscription in plain money, I just want something sane to buy tram tickets with in case they ever decide to support it

s/tram/bus/

I told them i swap into monero, because they are too Sissy to carry it. The end

They only support credit card and premium SMS

thatsinewave[m]: Cakepay

thatsinewave[m]: They *used* to support cash

Not anymore

I think monero.com might let you buy using fiat. I dont know the level of kyc required though sgp:

And it's only here! The rest of the country has no issues

Also, what's the HYCS for buying Monero with other cryptocurrency?

0

Oh?

So if I manage to obtain bitcoin, I can use it to buy monero in a sane way?

ofrnxmr[m]: Buying from fiat requires KYC

Also, how secure is the anonymous payment? I heard that you need to transfer it between 4 addresses before it is reasonably secure to buy stuff

* anonymous payment in Monero? I

s/cryptocurrency/cryptocurrencies/

You can use trocador.app to swap whatevercoin into monero with absolutely no account or anythibg

Can create an account at tradeogre (recommended) for manual trades

Kucoin also supports no kyc trading, but dont tell them you are in USA and dont try to kyc

What do you consider reasonable secure?

thatsinewave[m]: Buy with cash at localmonero.co

thatsinewave[m]: If receiving from people and sending to people, you are more than reasonably secure

If you are sending to and from exchanges, you are far less secure

BusyBoredom[m]: Cannot be bruteforced by the world's computing power in 100 years within 100 years

* the world's evolving computing power

Monero is not quantum resistant yet

Oh

Is there work being done on that?

Technically, nothing really is.

If brute forcing is your concern, then it's instantly perfectly (as near as can be) secure against classical computers though.

I read that there's already quantum proof asymmetric cryptos

Yes, there is work done to mitigate, but "will it work" isnt something anyone can anticipate. A lot more work to be done.

If there is a quantum attack, theybarent going to attack monero first

BusyBoredom[m]: Oh? EVen just one transaction?

Your biggest realistic threat isn't brute forcing though, it's EABE attacks.

s/EVen/Even/

EABE?

thatsinewave[m]: If busy sends me money, and I send it to you, you dont know where it came from, and neither do i

s/cryptos/cyphers/

s/cryptos/ciphers/

There is a series in YouTube called breakingmonero

I read that a single transaction is bruteforcable at a given chance

Poisoned outputs is the episode you are looking for

I'll take a look at it

Is it about checking which address a transaction came from?

Watch the episode before saying any more silly stuff

EABE attacks are a statistical attack where:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a65a799f074a39d166b0010a23167c02518>)

Sorry busy. Made you write all of thatv😅

It's OK, I'm bored lol

> <@busyboredom:monero.social> EABE attacks are a statistical attack where:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…2470970a9be9c04e747277d3118b6bfc0b0>)

"Shutup ofrnxmr. Im almost done. They better not leave to go watch YouTube before i send this!"

And the attack I read about where you can bruteforce a transaction with a success rate is

No more, please, ears bleeding

Watch episode, watch them all

Then come back a genius

It is not a brute force. It has nothing to do with brute forcing.

That one, yea

But I did read about a bruteforce attack

Ok enough

If you want to read instead, I can send the link to the transcript

There is no brute force attack, the person who told you that was mistaken.

I get it. You read some nonsense. Blabla km gotxha

I read it on some official page, can't remember where tho

> <@busyboredom:monero.social> EABE attacks are a statistical attack where:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…5cfbf45367ef068338cc2ed3e1e7030423a>)

W a t c h v I d e o

invidious.silur.me/playlist?list=PLsSYUeVwrHBnAUre2G_LYDsdo-tD0ov-y this the right series?

facepalm

Hold on

Yes, it does help mitigate it. But tbh ofrnxmr is right yall should just watch the video

Thats the one

Well, it is a different attack. Are you confident that there is no currently known bruteforce attack besides poisoned outputs?

s/bruteforce//

BusyBoredom[m]: Thank you! 🌷 And yes I will watch it

I will go watch it as well since it seems interesting

Do you see 1 video or many

I just hope that it's not gonna be a slideshow with a tired voiceover with loud background noise

ofrnxmr[m]: Many

thatsinewave: there are many other attacks besides poisoned outputs, they're just not as bad IMO.

Each video is a different attack

Hmm, I see

Is it a comprehensive enough list

thatsinewave[m]: Well then wth r u talking about "its not the nonsense i imagined"

How do you know until you watch lol

Comprehensive enough, yes.

Also, if I remember correctly the bruteforce attack I mentioned was described in some research paper

Nice

I guarantee you it was mistaken. There is no known brute force attack against monero with classical computers.

I read it on the official website research paper too

From monero ceo

His name was Dr Craig wright

Something about monero being a mixer

Always remember kids, if it was on the internet, its DEFINITELY true

It's true, monero is just a smart contract on Solana

BusyBoredom[m]: I see, alright

BusyBoredom[m]: Thats why our network goes down so much :(

ofrnxmr[m]: I am not stupid, it was official looking enough for me to trust it (and half my job is just looking stuff up on the internet)

Yeah, it's from core swapping out the mysql database the privacy runs on.

BusyBoredom[m]: AHahahAha

You're good man, we're just riffing now

:P

Sir, SIR

The only thing official in monero is the coins in your wallet

:O

MoneroV disagrees

Is that a jitsi cal

s/cal/call/

It looks a lot like Jitsi

Oh, I missed the watermark

It's literally jitsio

s/jitsio/jitsi/

s/Jitsi/jitsi/

HaHah

Please dont edit

Spams irc

I mean

Matrix is bridged to irc

Editing messages duplicates them on irc

<del>Your fault for using IRC /s</del>

I guess I should say, the irc rooms are bridged to matrix

<XMR = gamer cash> i cumt in my sister

monerobull:

Im in favor of removing the discord bridge

<XMR = gamer cash> im in favor of banning larp messages (holes lul)

TL;DR: I hate IRC

But I'll try to reduce edits

Yeah, if you dont stop gonna have to ban ya

Even tho I do them automatically, even if I use IRC

ofrnxmr[m]: Just make the bridge reject edits smh

Nah

<XMR = gamer cash> reject deez nutz

IRC would rather reject you

Aww

You too my discord friend

<XMR = gamer cash> i cumt in the bridge

Don't run away IRC, don't reject me

Discord is a privacy nightmare sooo

What I mean, is the people onbirc are here for no reason.

<XMR = gamer cash> soyemoji

DanIsnotthemanBr: Discord is a nightmare in so many levels

<XMR = gamer cash> i cumt in discord servers

<XMR = gamer cash> fill discord servers with poop pics

<XMR = gamer cash> they retain all pics

<XMR = gamer cash> fill their repo with poo pics

The privacy part is just the tip of the iceberg

Is bridgerton the IRC bridge

Most of the High level developers are on irc and dont need to bigger with day to Fay nonsense

Bridgerton is discord

Oh

Right, that makes sense

The messages are indeed very Discord-like

The irc people are here, listening, and will leave of we get annoying

I do wonder why couldn't the bot just split the users like how t2bot.io does

And im referring to core team, etc.

Can I at least shit on the IRC protocol

I dont like that bit eitherm

#monero-offtopic:monero.social

Aww, ighty

What's the IRC channel?

Same names @libera.chat

Oh, ighty

I should add a plugin to element for blocking messages based on regex

*events

Please do

Plowsof will pay you 1xmr

<XMR = gamer cash> block deez nutz _groans cutely as xe cutely poops everywhere_

OwO, if you pinky promise I'll get to it right away

I dont have pinkies

where am I and how did I get here?

Oh, uh, any other fingers?

On either hands or feet

But if it works, im sure I can figure sometjkgb out

Matrix

<XMR = gamer cash> uwu i wike to scrape my poopsie woopsies with my pinky winky uwu _cutely sniffs poo covered pinky_

s/scrape/scwape/

nioc: youre on discord

off-topic >>>>>

Monerobull needs to undo this shit

Yeeep

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