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DanIsnotthemanBr
My way or the hwy way
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Rec[m]
<rooter0_> "I'm sorry that you and plowsof..." <- Lol, the epic "incel" insult
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Rec[m]
Never seen it it used in the wild like this
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rooter0_
It's obvious from their behavior.
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Rec[m]
I'm not agreeing with you dude
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Rec[m]
I haven't read the whole conversation but you seem in the wrong here
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DanIsnotthemanBr
That they dont like women?
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rooter0_
Loud mouths aren't always right.
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rooter0_
I'm only here to contribut to sech1.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Do you even know whonsech1 is π
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ofrnxmr[m]
He has better things to do than tech support
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ofrnxmr[m]
Too lazy to learn to use git = you arent contributing to sech
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ofrnxmr[m]
You're leeching
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ofrnxmr[m]
I NEED THE BOSSSSS
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ofrnxmr[m]
GET MEEE SARANNGGG
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ofrnxmr[m]
lmao
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orion_midast[m]
Think of it this way, regardless of who is right or wrong, your odds of getting what you want wont get higher by insulting or attacking
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont went anything
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ofrnxmr[m]
Im cool
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ofrnxmr[m]
He wants something
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Rec[m]
π "
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Rec[m]
* π
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orion_midast[m]
btw, I will get into the zero to monero thing, where should I ask if I have any question?
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rooter0_
No.
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orion_midast[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: The message was meant to the other guy
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ofrnxmr[m]
For deep details?
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Rec[m]
Here I guess
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Or community
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Rec[m]
There is the monero development channel I think
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orion_midast[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: could be detailed, could be surface level idk hahah
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yup
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orion_midast[m]
alright then I'll get on it
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plowsof11
or #monero-research-lounge:monero.social depends on the ask
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ofrnxmr[m]
-dev or -mrl for work -lounge for inquiries into casual
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plowsof11
just ask me, if -I- don't know about it then no one else will
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Mmmm
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ofrnxmr[m]
"Dev is dead"
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DanIsnotthemanBr
1+1=?
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ofrnxmr[m]
So ill ask in off topic
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ofrnxmr[m]
DanIsnotthemanBr: 24
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Window
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DanIsnotthemanBr
:/
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Rolandroke[m]
<susman1[m]> "any way to trade precious metals..." <- I have always used bitgild.com
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Rolandroke[m]
Since my first bull run 2k...16?(?okay I'm bad at years alright) I've used that site
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Rolandroke[m]
Always pristine condition, discreete packages, and a few days shipping time
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Rolandroke[m]
If you live in Sweden I'll trade you myself
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Rolandroke[m]
Wow haha i just scrolled through the drama above and can only guess this is how "normal" people feels while watching paradise hotel..
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Rolandroke[m]
Asking for help and not willing to learn. This is the way!
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fmlatghor
xmrfn[m]: I think XMR is a good project, I still don't have a reason to use it, but I'd like to help the network, so I might do that or run a node.
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merope
<rooter0_> "I think that pinning cores is..." <- Are you talking about pinning mining tasks to specific cpu cores here?
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dANBs[m]
644043[xmpp]: xmpp:myneroβmxi?join
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cockliuser[m]
tx_extra is surprisingly cheap
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cockliuser[m]
by raw numbers though, btc OP_RETURN is a bit cheaper on average due to segwit/taproot subsidy
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cockliuser[m]
s/OP_RETURN/OP_PUSH/
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cockliuser[m]
Ah shit nevermind tx_extra is loads cheaper (currency conversion error)
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cockliuser[m]
If my numbers are right, morbinals are 15x cheaper than lowest fees on BTC
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RavFX[m]
Yeah, right now you can easily load about 100kb
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feu
hello
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feu
are there any miners around?
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feu
curious about a few things; namely what a good starting kit would look like
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Techrev
Henlo
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ceetee[m]
feu: It is very hard to be profitable with a computer specifically build for mining. You need good deals on parts, and low cost or free electricity
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Techrev
Asics any good?
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ceetee[m]
there are no asics
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ceetee[m]
There can't be
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ceetee[m]
The beauty of randomX
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ceetee[m]
feu: you best option is to use hardware that you have and that is sitting currently unused
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Techrev
Ok. I'm still learning a bit, here, so I'll still say stupid stuff. I saw some of the planned changes, something about membership proofs or something, what's that?
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ceetee[m]
one of the many things that is considered for seraphis, the next big network upgrade that's happening in a few years
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Techrev
Whatsit do? Also, where's the advantage for mining? Fewer cores, higher clock speed, or more cores lower clock speed? Like are Epycs better, or like a bunch of 5950s?
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Techrev
It's primarily CPU for mining, right? So video card does nothing?
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ceetee[m]
there are randomX benchmarks. Generally hash per Watt is the interesting number
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ceetee[m]
GPU can technically be used, but is highly inefficient and a CPZ gives better results
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ceetee[m]
s/CPZ/CPU/
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Techrev
Nice. If I mine, it will probably be just what I have, and during down times. Just curious.
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Techrev
So, Seraphis, basically, turns monero into a modular system. But, that's for the devs, right? So they can make changes to how monero works by changing out pieces?
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bridgerton[m]
<Bon π> Mine monero using solar power is this achieveable. I hope it is.
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ofrnxmr[m]
<Techrev> "Whatsit do? Also, where's the..." <- Epyc
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Techrev
Monero doesn't care where your power comes from...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Easier 5950x
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ofrnxmr[m]
bridgerton[m]: It is
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ofrnxmr[m]
Techrev: No
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ofrnxmr[m]
Txextra does that
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ofrnxmr[m]
Seraphis makes improvements to. .. like, everything
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Techrev
Isn't Seraphis a proposed replacement for txextra among other things?
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Techrev
Oki... So Seraphis is awesome.
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plowsof11
you probably want to read this issue from top to bottom Techrev
seraphis-migration/strategy #2
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xfedex[m]
Isn't tx_extra unrelated to Seraphis?
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Techrev
I don't know, I'm learning. I know they want to get rid of tx_extra, and Seraphis and membership proofs are part of the strategy to replace it, so I'm trying to learn.
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Techrev
Everything I've seen the past 2 days is all tx_extra evil, nfts gonna break fungibility, have to get rid of tx_extra. Why I came here, to try to understand the issue, better.
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Techrev
People running nodes gonna have to upgrade their 20 year old hard drives to more than 96gb, ono! I dunno, I'm trying to figure it out.
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plowsof11
there is a fix that breaks the current 'monero nft software' coming in the next release. - but its not a hardfork so we have to ask the large mining pools to use it, lets see
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plowsof11
seraphis is ring sigs / decoys - just more of them 256? not 'full membership proofs' please confirm this statement
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boog900[m]
The seraphis hard fork will move fields currently in tx extra out into their own individual fields so tx extra won't actually be used for any normal transactions anymore, that's my understanding anyway
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rbrunner
Yup, correct. And there is indeed no direct connection between tx_extra and Seraphis.
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rbrunner
It's currently implemented that way in an early library, but can be cut out or length-restricted easily if finally we can agree on something :)
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rbrunner
And no direct connection between mining and Seraphis, anyway
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Techrev
Can normal transactions be made to look enough like nft transactions that they can serve as decoys?
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rbrunner
Yes. Just attach a stupid picture at *every* transaction :)
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rbrunner
And kind regards from blockchain bloat
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Techrev
Seems like a sensible thing to do. Dunno, but I guess gas costs go up.
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xfedex[m]
(and hope your transaction will be relayed)
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Techrev
Makes sense.
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rbrunner
Your definition of "sensible" and my definition may be different. NFTs on the Monero blockchain are not sensible for me.
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Techrev
Though, there's something to be said for having pictures on money, I get the cost/time increase.
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xfedex[m]
Techrev morbinals will very likely be blocked in the next hardfork
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Techrev
That's good.
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rbrunner
Making them harder may start in a few days already.
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xfedex[m]
the latest version of monerod (you must build from source to use it) refuses to relay morbinal transactions
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Techrev
Also good.
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ofrnxmr[m]
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rbrunner
With a point release that limits the size of tx_extra to 1060 bytes - for people who agree to run the latest monero daemon version
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xfedex[m]
For this reason, I strongly recommend you to build monerod from source if you run a node
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ofrnxmr[m]
xfedex[m]: No
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plowsof11
they will have 32 bytes to play with
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just wait for release
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rbrunner
726, that's finally true art on the Monero blockchain. It was a long wait.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Release comes in the next couple days
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rbrunner
Can I buy that NFT?
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Techrev
I do plan to run a node, but out of curiousity, what are the advantages to running a node, and what kind of traffic do nodes typically see?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not for sale
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rbrunner
Everything has a price.
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plowsof11
how many pixels do we get with 32 bytes
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rbrunner
Depends on how many colors you want
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ofrnxmr[m]
Techrev: Up to you. Can be gb or tb. But expect at least 1gb/day
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cockliuser[m]
plowsof11: Bout 10 π
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ofrnxmr[m]
rbrunner: ππ not me
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plowsof11
10 pixels is unacceptable wtf
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ofrnxmr[m]
I cant be bought π
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rbrunner
Really.
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plowsof11
can barely make a dope wallet logo with that
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yep
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Techrev
Can do an 8x4 2 color sprite.
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Techrev
Wait, wrong maths.
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Techrev
8 color, lol.
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Techrev
1gb/day I can deal with. I have an 15tb/month max I think, I don't really want to dig into that in any significant way.
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xfedex[m]
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Techrev
Yeah, I have a 30tb NAS in a datacenter :/. However, I'm looking to start switching to larger drives. The 20tb drives are in a nice price range, now.
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Techrev
Will give it something useful to do, I guess :/.
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Techrev
But, even if it happened to hit 5tb in a month, I don't think it would be terrible.
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ceetee[m]
<plowsof11> "how many pixels do we get with 3..." <- You could fit the tiniest gif ever:
stackoverflow.com/a/36605651
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ceetee[m]
Jpegxl might work as well, but could find any examples
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Techrev
Yeah, at that size you're almost better juet inventing and monero image formet that just bypasses compression and image size information, and has a standard height/width, lol.
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ofrnxmr[m]
RP sech1
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ofrnxmr[m]
> It takes ~3 times less CPU time now to do the initial sync when starting P2Pool, thanks to more efficient caching after the fork, so it will sync faster for everyone, especially weak CPUs like Raspberry Pi.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Also
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ofrnxmr[m]
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Techrev
Ahhh, so a lot of nodes running on pis?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
There is pixmrnode or wat eva order
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not a lot, but pi in painful
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ofrnxmr[m]
Is*
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or was
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Techrev
Honestly, pi nodes are kinda cool. I was working on an idea with the Pirate party a while back, they wrote mesh software, could set up Pis in a mesh network. I was pricing out setting them up with solar panels and wifi, seeing if I could get them cheap enough and working to just be able to start throwing them out car windows, more or less, lol.
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Techrev
Ok.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The rasp pi lacks hardware aes instructions which makes verification a lot slower
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ofrnxmr[m]
(Rockpro etc work better)
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Techrev
Pirate party just got way to bogged down in Gregorian economics and mincome, so I kinda quit.
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Techrev
Ahh, ok. My servers are fairly good, so non issue, just an interesting thing.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Solar mine xmr
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Techrev
I still like the idea of a solar pi mesh, tho... Or some kind of SOC computer.
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ceetee[m]
any amlogic or rockchip cpus have integrated aes. Only the raspberry pis are shitty
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Techrev
Fair...
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Techrev
From a high level, I just say pi, but you're right - better SOCs out there. Nice :D.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Rpi are expensive these days
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Techrev
They always have been, sigh. Difficult to source. They're cheap, really cheap, but sourcing them is impossible, so the price gets jacked.
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Techrev
No clue if you can get them at retail in UK. I should try sometime, but they tend to sell out as fast as they make them :/.
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Techrev
I should be able to find some decent rockchip SOCs here in Thailand, though. Something. Probably better for cheaper.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Android TV boxes work well too, if you dont mind android that is
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Techrev
I used to run an octocore in my Car, lol. 3rd party car stereo. I do like Android :D.
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Techrev
With cfw.
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plowsof11
Cryptocurrency Mining on a Raspberry Pi (it's fun....trust me) (1.7M views)
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Any smoke?
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plowsof11
I Mined Monero for 24 Hours on a Raspberry Pi (Crypto Tutorial) (190k~ views)
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Techrev
ROFL... Honestly, a crazy SOC mesh network can have a lot of cool uses. Especially if there's some redundancy and you don't care if you lose a few.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Normally its β You must watch this before mining on rpi4β
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Techrev
Hard part is finding cheap solar panels that actually work, and can keep the thing charged all night.
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Techrev
Just nail it to the top of a random tree in the middle of nowhere, lol. Set up about 50 of them. Throw an lte sim in 1.
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ceetee[m]
better use a phone if you want to use lte
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Techrev
Sure, but phones are expensive. The idea is to have them just thrown around random places - hidden - in range of each other. But, not traceable back to you.
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Techrev
If someone randomly finds one, or a tree gets struck by lightning, you don't want to care about it.
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ofrnxmr[m]
<Techrev> "I used to run an octocore in..." <- You can mine on that
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ofrnxmr[m]
Techrev: Not really when compared to rasp or rockpro
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Techrev
Yes, this is what I'm learning :D. And, I am very familiar with those SOCs, lol.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Heat exchange with car radiator
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ceetee[m]
a used phone is cheaper and more powerful than a SOC single board computer with LTE, Case, cooling + power supply
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Techrev
Fair point... I used to have about 10 laying around, too, but yeah... Will depend on sourcing. I mean, I'm near China.
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plowsof11
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ceetee[m]
only downside of a phone is your limited to internal memory (used phones have little, micro SD is slow, and few phones have USB 3, even if they have a USBC connector)
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Techrev
That is cool as hell, plow
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Techrev
Yeah, I'm thinking that a big mesh can have a cheap sd card in each one, too, and set it up as a kind of raid storage. Would be slow af, but effective. Dunno. Plus, I don't know how far the people developing that project got, either.
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ceetee[m]
SD is terrible slow and unreliable, and with raid its even slower
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ceetee[m]
cheap M.2 ssd is the way to go
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Techrev
If you can find an cheap SOC with M.2 and low low power consumption, yeah.
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ofrnxmr[m]
You can use an external m2
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ofrnxmr[m]
In an enclosure
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Techrev
Again, my thoughts were being able to slowly throw 100s of them out there like johnny appleseed, lol.
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ceetee[m]
Techrev: Its not as out of reach as it seems
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ceetee[m]
define "cheap"
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Techrev
Exactly. I almost had one built for under $50 each. Dunno, if I can get the costs down, and have 1 node working for $20, it's probably an easily accomplished thing.
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Techrev
Tough part is cheap working solar panel.
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Techrev
A lot of fake solar panels out there.
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Techrev
Plus, caching can be implemented to speed some things up.
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ceetee[m]
a S905X3 costs about 15USD, 4GB LPDDRR about 20USD
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Techrev
To me, $20/node - I can throw those out car windows all day... Well, over a year it could become a pretty big network.
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Techrev
Need an wifi router... Unless the pi has wifi built in, and a battery. With solar panel, yeah.
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Techrev
Wifi routers with batteries are pretty cheap.
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ceetee[m]
having shitty nodes is worse then having no nodes
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Techrev
Well, yeah, first I have to get 1 working node, then work on cost/performance. But, it's definitely an doable thing.
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ceetee[m]
at 20USD you have 2GB ram max.
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Techrev
Well, if you think about it, 100 nodes, that's a lot of ram. If it's set up like a mesh cluster.
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Techrev
Basically, a lot of trial and error left to go through, lol. But, it's a workable idea, and every year cost/performance gets better.
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ceetee[m]
A linux install with monerod needs 2gb min. better 4gb, especially if you want those nodes operational for a few years
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Techrev
Fair.
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Techrev
And it will be at least a year to 5 years before I can really work on that particular project again. In the mean time I do have servers.
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Techrev
But, for an freedom based, ancap, pirate network - it's the best thing I can think of, and pretty cool.
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Kidpoint
Is monero really untraceable?
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ceetee[m]
Mostly. Its much more likely that you are traced with offchain data. This can be because a seller gave data to a 3rd party, or because you have bad opsec, or because of browser fingerprinting, or because of a million other things
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ceetee[m]
look up the playlist "breaking Monero" if you want to learn more about the few niche attack vector Monero has
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Kidpoint
wow. nice. Thanks for your reply :)
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Kidpoint
I will definitely look up that playlist
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agentleda550[m]
I am running MX linux and I just downloaded the monero wallet from getmonero 18.2 and normally to run anything on my computer I need to have it set to run as a program and then I hit execute. This time though it doesnt seem to wanna run. I did have this same issue last year I think when I first installed 17.3 I dont know what I did to fix it. Does anyone remember having a similar issue or how to fix it?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Can you try to run it from terminal and see if it opens or crashes with errors?
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agentleda550[m]
What command would that be? I'm not that experienced with the terminal I keep meaning to play with it but never have the time
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rooter0_
sech1: Are you interestd in my notes on CPU pinning?
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plowsof11
post a link to them and i will hand deliver them for you
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ofrnxmr[m]
Plowsof is sech1s secretary (seriously)
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ofrnxmr[m]
<agentleda550[m]> "What command would that be? I'..." <- Drag and drop the gui executable into the terminal window
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sech1
rooter0_ did you manage to make MSR and huge pages work properly?
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chaser
is it possible to make a 1-of-2 multisig with the currently available tools?
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agentleda550[m]
agentleda550[m]: I think I did that right? doesnt seem to be working either
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rooter0_
sech1: No but I have a few leads. Concentrating on pinning for now as CPU core assignment is dynamic, which causes all kinds of cache flushes and context switches.
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sech1
it's better to run xmrig on the host, it takes care of all CPU affinity and NUMA too
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rooter0_
Looks like a profound problem if youhave alot of CPUs.
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rooter0_
I can' run it on my main server, which is where the Epyc is.
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rooter0_
Super paranoid as I'm enterprise infosec for 24 years.
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sech1
you can run xmrig without sudo, you just need to enable huge pages on the host and run the MSR script with sudo
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sech1
make a separate user for xmrig if you're paranoid
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rooter0_
Already do, even in the VM. I'll try to fix it but if I have to do without MSR's 15% I will.
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rooter0_
Setting ofrnxmr[m] and plowsof11 to Ignore.
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nioc
lol
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rbrunner
chaser: Regarding 1/2 multisig: Not sure it's possible, maybe maybe not, but 1/2 is the same as simply two people controlling the same key, so ...
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Alex|LocalMonero
<rbrunner> "chaser: Regarding 1/2 multisig..." <- Yeah, 1/2 multisig just seems like a single key with extra steps, though it does allow people not to share a secret key which may be used to derive other things in addition to the wallet, but still.
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chaser
rbrunner Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: yes, the point is that they don't have to share the key, but beyond that, they don't have to *store* that key outside of their regular credentials. each can just pick a subaddress from their existing keyring and use that. as long as they have their mnemonics, they can regenerate the multisig from it
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Alex|LocalMonero
chaser: Perhaps you can utilize shamir secret sharing scheme as a way to sidestep this issue?
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chaser
<Alex|LocalMonero> "Perhaps you can utilize shamir..." <- that's an extra step that requires handling an extra (and so far unidentified) piece of software and the risk that comes wish that
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Dunno how your going to get help if you block plowsof and ofrnxmr
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rbrunner
chaser, Alex|LocalMonero: Just tried. 1/2 multisig works. I think I remember now it once didn't until UkoeHB reworked much of the multisig code
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rbrunner
It needs 4 or 5 key data exchanges now to establish and confirm the multisig address, but whatever :)
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orion_midast[m]
Hey, found this, a pretty good documentation of where bitcoin came from and how it was created, was thinking if the monero community can create a continuation to that article that leads to the creation of Monero and call it the History of Monero.
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orion_midast[m]
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orion_midast[m]
It should go straight on the official site if we make one
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orion_midast[m]
* make one IMO
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Rucknium[m]
orion_midast: There is an early history on Reddit already.
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orion_midast[m]
Rucknium[m]: Thats reddit, its not a paper that can actually be used for documentation, but as I am doing research I'd really like to read on if you have the link
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Rucknium[m]
I have seen Reddit posts cited in academic articles recently
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Rucknium[m]
I don't remember the link. It is a multi-part series IIRC
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orion_midast[m]
Thats why we should have documentation, now I have to look for it ππ
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plowsof11
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orion_midast[m]
Thats actually pretty cool, I wish there was more writing to develop on each point, but regardless this is really cool, will read through it
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orion_midast[m]
Is this linked through the official website ?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nothing is "official"
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orion_midast[m]
right, because its decentralized
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ofrnxmr[m]
Getmonero.org = trusted home / core
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orion_midast[m]
what about the largest website
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ofrnxmr[m]
Probably some scam website
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ofrnxmr[m]
Example, Google play used to recommend scam wallets over cake, monerujo etc
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orion_midast[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: thats the largest webiste for XMR
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orion_midast[m]
its linked through coingecko cmc etc...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Coingecko
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orion_midast[m]
is the timeline linked through that site ?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Has monero.com
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ofrnxmr[m]
Had
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ofrnxmr[m]
Listed as the official website
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ofrnxmr[m]
Until I corrected them
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ofrnxmr[m]
And they still list nonsense as block explorers or wallets etx
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orion_midast[m]
I think cakewallet is the best mobile wallet for monero so far
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orion_midast[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: Hard to verify with an anonymous chain and team and community hahaha
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orion_midast[m]
<plowsof11> "from johnr365
resilience..." <- can the timeline be linked on this page ?
getmonero.org/get-started/what-is-monero
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ofrnxmr[m]
Anything can be done, the question isnt about linking it
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ofrnxmr[m]
But have you read it?
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ofrnxmr[m]
* Anything can be done, the question isnt about can we link it
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orion_midast[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: I skimmed through it, read all the titles, will go deeper on each milestone
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ofrnxmr[m]
Getmonero is open source
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ofrnxmr[m]
aka pr's and reviews
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ofrnxmr[m]
Well it would be nice if you read before suggesting someone write a pr :)
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Guest1859
Hi! I'm trying to do a normal transfer using the "transfer" command and I'm getting "Warning: Some input keys being spent are from blocks that are temporally very close, which can break the anonymity of ring signatures. Make sure this is intentional!". I notice that I have exactly two unspent outputs and both belong to the same block. I guess
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Guest1859
that's the reason for the warning? I have sent and received funds at basically the same time recently so I guess that's what caused it. What should I do? I can't really choose a smaller amount to send so both outputs have to be used... what are the implications if I ignore the warning?
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ceetee[m]
Your reasoning sounds plausible. If that is indeed the case, sending both outputs back to yourself would generate a new merged output, which you could spend with a lower privacy risk. Maybe you can ignore the warning completely and the privacy is still good enough for everyday use cases.
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ceetee[m]
I'm not an expert on the cryptography, only replying because nobody else did so far.
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Guest1859
Thanks for the reply. I was able to split the transfer in two after all so I solved it that way. Would still be good to know exactly how big the risk is/would have been. I'm new to this.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Breaking monero is a good place to start to answer a lot of questions at once
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ofrnxmr[m]
YouTube playlist
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ofrnxmr[m]
Say I sent you 1xmr twice
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ofrnxmr[m]
They go in the block as one time address ofrnxmrA and Bofrnxmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
To the casual observer, these tx might be completely unrelated.
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ofrnxmr[m]
If you later send a tx that combined ofrnxmrA and Bofrnxmr into the same tx, the chances that you own those outputs is increased
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ofrnxmr[m]
The likely good of Ceetee sending a 2in tx that has both of those ring members is lower.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The fact that they were received in the same block and being spent together in a later block increased the likelyhood that you own those.
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ofrnxmr[m]
As Ceetee said, if you churn those outputs using sweep_single, you'll generate new one time addresses associated with them
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ofrnxmr[m]
Churning needs research, because its hard to really know how effective it is (example, if I sweet_all in a self send after this, it combines outputs that were recently disassociated. Which again increased the chance that you are the owner or the recipient of the churn)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Multiple churns, time spacing churns etc all have an effect on the actual privacy, so its not as easy as 1+2=3.
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ofrnxmr[m]
In practice, you dont want to fund and then empty your wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
You want to fill your wallet with random xmr and then randomly use and refill it
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ofrnxmr[m]
And multiple wallet, or at least sub accounts when trying to keep funds as though they were separate entities.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Then you mostly need to "worry" about timing, mixing the wallets/accounts or some off chain stuff