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BobSacmanto[m]
Is the allark website a scam?
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plowsof11
Never heard of it - Tommy from allark
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ofrnxmr[m]
One of those websites thst recommends services says its not
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ofrnxmr[m]
XMR.directory
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not that one
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
This one
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plowsof11
it has a green tick next to it 😄
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ofrnxmr[m]
If you get scammed, let monerica know 😅
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ofrnxmr[m]
plowsof11: 100% trustable. Verified
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ofrnxmr[m]
(/s. Enter at your own risk)
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plowsof11
the only negative comments ive seen (who knows anymore, everything can be fud) - was some reddit users saying the visa cards expire sooner than expected
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ofrnxmr[m]
I never liked the spammy posts, too noisy to pay attention to what is real
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BobSacmanto[m]
Can you buy lots of monero from allark easily? Or only sell monero?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
Trust dont verify
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rbrunner
Finally some creative mordinals with "Monero Rocks Collection", looks like 100 rocks are planned, and somebody in their wisdom decided rock pictures need high resolution, the pics are ~10 KB
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kayabanerve[m]
rbrunner: Those'll never catch on. My Etherrock on the other hand?
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kayabanerve[m]
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rbrunner
Oh, these pictures aren't even original then. Didn't know. I am sure I don't take that NFT story serious enough.
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LZA_MENACE
Thx for ping selsta plowsof- out of town atm w no laptop. Can fix tomorrow
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LZA_MENACE
plowsof ^
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rbrunner
So ... if I buy one of those new pet rock mordinals, I hold bragging rights to something that was kind of stolen from an Ethereum based NFT?
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ofrnxmr[m]
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sech1
wtf, it's rocks now
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
And moneromemes.com
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ofrnxmr[m]
The "punk" nfts seem to be taking into account the 255byte proposed limit
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ofrnxmr[m]
Seem to be already* taking into account
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
(Seems seth edit his node to raise the limit to 1gb, but still growing lol)
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plowsof11
255 byte limit is proposed to btc right? monero will be 32bytes?
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plowsof11
a node running the tx_extra limit (next version of monero) rejected a jpg which had 1 grey pixel as it was too large
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aiena
is csminer still good for mining monero
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aiena
or are there better alternatives now
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sech1
aiena XMRig
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sech1
csminer doesn't work with Monero
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aiena
Ok. I am syncing my blockchain. Can you use the wallet p2p mining with a puned chain?
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aiena
pruned
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yes
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ofrnxmr[m]
The blockchain must be fully synced before you can begin mining, but yes.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Set daemon to "true" in the config
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rbrunner
plowsof11: "monero will be 32bytes?" Not sure what you mean. The point release to arrive soon will have a limit of 1060 bytes.
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rbrunner
On the table for the middle term is either no more tx_extra at all, or one restricted more that those 1060 bytes, e.g. 256 bytes
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rbrunner
A one-pixel JPEG file resulted in a 739 byte file for me. That should have room in 1060 bytes. But maybe not with some mordinals overhead?
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ofrnxmr[m]
The punk nfts seem to be under 255 bytes
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ofrnxmr[m]
(1.7kb, 1in2out transactions)
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rbrunner
Yeah, but I guess they are PNGs, not JPEGs
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rbrunner
(plowsof11 mentioned a 1-pixel JPEG that didn't want to fit, what wondered me a bit.)
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plowsof11
i attempted to send a pixel using the mordinal wallet and was rejected, thats all i know
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plowsof11
the jpg was maybe 125 bytes
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plowsof11
im referring to "which still leaves 32 bytes of space for some custom data to send to each recipient." from tevador @
monero-project/monero #8733
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plowsof11
assuming that 32 bytes is for rocks?
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rbrunner
No. Remember, we have now regular tx stuff still also in tx_extra. Those 32 bytes are what is left per output if you have a 16-out tx
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rbrunner
And well, we don't really want sending around JPEGs to work, so if even a single-pixel one doesn't work, tough :)
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plowsof11
ah thanks, i get it now
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RavFX
The limit is "32bytes per output" or "255bytes per TX"
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plowsof11
for some reason my pixel was denied (very small jpg) <255bytes iirc
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aiena
You can make inscriptions on monero too?
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rbrunner
Those rocks are around 10 KB each, because stolen from Ethereum NFTs, and everybody wants their rocks in highres
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plowsof11
there was already a Mooonero rock #1 minted long ago
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rbrunner
aiena: You mean include simple text? Of course.
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aiena
simple text/imAGES
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rbrunner
I thought that Monero punks are already pretty dumb, but those rocks took me by surprise
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rbrunner
You mean bitmapped text?
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aiena
not sure
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rbrunner
I am really tempted to mint the same rock 10 times now as 10 mordinals, just to mock the concept of "NFT"
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aiena
how can you inscribe simple text on a monero
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aiena
i guess your write it on a micronero
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ceetee[m]
introducing: shade™ own your unique favorite color out of 16.7mio possible combinations! Have it etched permanently as a colorful pixel into the blockchain! Buy now, limited quantity available!
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aiena
lol
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JacobGonzales[m]
so what's the deal with all the monero drama?
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bridgerton[m]
<GenericMage> This is going to sound dumb but... You could split the jpg into pieces, then have transaction formats inside tx_extra.... (full message at <
libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…85339cab171c2f312931caf1eae1e6eb116>)
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rooter0_
Finally have my 50 CPU xmrig VM screaming like it should.
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rooter0_
Alllrighty then.
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xmrfn[m]
bridgerton: Not dumb. No matter how small we make tx_extra, every value in the available bytes *could* be referenced by some offchain system, and interpreted to mean anything that chain wants.
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TheDisruptiveCol
Why are people trying to ruin XMR with NFTs
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xmrfn[m]
I think they honestly believe they are adding value
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TheDisruptiveCol
These people clearly don't mine or run nodes.
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xmrfn[m]
And I have to admit, it's clever how it works
mordinals.gitbook.io/handbook/how-does-it-work
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greenpillow11[m]
<xmrfn[m]> "bridgerton: Not dumb. No..." <- Besides, tx_extra will be used by some crosschain dex’es working on integrating Monero. It can’t be too small
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RavFX
They also don't use monero as a payment system as if they did, they would know that they are actually making poison
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TheDisruptiveCol
They are basically just helping the glowies and chainanalysis at this point.
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RavFX
They probably own bitcoin and ETH and would like xmr to die so we move on there shitchain to pump it more
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xmrfn[m]
But yes anything that introduces low-entropy data on the chain reduces privacy for all, and that is why Mordinals must find another place to go or a way to work with a smaller data structure
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rbrunner
It's a pitty that the mordinals transfer system is not yet up. If people see that almost nobody wants to trade and buy those things and push prices up, most of them will loose interest immediately.
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rbrunner
If speculation fails to materialize the whole scheme will fall apart all on its own pretty soon.
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xmrfn[m]
Still a potential vector for bloat-attack is closing with the upcoming patch
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ofrnxmr[m]
I believe the tools are intentionally not fully functional
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ofrnxmr[m]
They dont build rpc, for example
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ofrnxmr[m]
xmrfn[m]: If mining pool update
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ofrnxmr[m]
Otherwise you can submit to a pool that hasnt updated and wait for them to mine it
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kowalabearhugs-[
If all only all major mining pools update then it will drastically reduce ability to mint, no?
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RavFX
If it stay in the mempool, then eventually a miner not in one of these pools will mine it, so at the end it will change nothing and the poison will still endup in the blockchain. Will only take more time.
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kowalabearhugs-[
Yes, and further degrading the mordinal experience is part of keeping it at bay
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ofrnxmr[m]
Some pools are rather unresponsive as well
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ofrnxmr[m]
^ could be language barrier
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kowalabearhugs-[
Yes, a complication that can be resolved through the next HF. Most major pools were convinced to update their block templates
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ofrnxmr[m]
Nanopool, hashvault and xmrpool.eu have updated or already were running better than-nothing
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ofrnxmr[m]
The rest have of the unmarked pools have not
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ofrnxmr[m]
2miners and kryptex responded but had not updated when I last checked a few days ago
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merope
<RavFX> "If it stay in the mempool..." <- True, but if their experience gets degraded enough then people will get bored/annoyed and stop using that crap
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RavFX
Or just post anyway them and wait a little
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ofrnxmr[m]
Morbinal folks will keep on. Maybe tthat will convince pools to update
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merope
But you're ruining their instant gratification feedback
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M5M400
if you want NFT shizzle just wait for tari to hit the market
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M5M400
leave our currency alone!
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
merope: Yeah, they're just angry
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ofrnxmr[m]
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merope
lmao
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merope
> I just don't want it to diminish the privacy features of the chain.
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merope
Proceeds to implement the most privacy-harmful thing that can bloat the chain the most
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merope
Genius
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its almost honest
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ofrnxmr[m]
Like, if they were telling the truth, it would be honest
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merope
That's how they sneak the biggest lies through
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ofrnxmr[m]
> Therefore, there's no reason to spam the chain just yet.
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ofrnxmr[m]
> Instead it was decided to put a 1kb limit on tx_extra size. This means that a 50kb image now needs to be pieced together with 50 transactions, multiplying the number of non-fungible transactions by 50 for no apparent reason
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ofrnxmr[m]
My adversary Sir. Welcome to monero.
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ofrnxmr[m]
🍽️
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ofrnxmr[m]
Mr*
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RavFX
It will bar for more anoying for the spammers to split the nft into 50 TX (that 10 confirmation per output you got to spend?)
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rbrunner
"And please, next time ping me before making any more changes, for the love of God" Pretty high horse
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ofrnxmr[m]
16 out doesnt hurt my privacy
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ofrnxmr[m]
That a whole different topic about standardized outputs though
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ofrnxmr[m]
ofrnxmr[m]: 99% that is not me (its am exchange.. or morbinal reeeeee). 1% it is a self spend by me to make change
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ofrnxmr[m]
Numbers verified by a fact checker ^
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ofrnxmr[m]
Standardizing inputs, I need to look back at what has been said already, but I dont recall how one would deal with consolidations
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nioc
Tari? yeah it will be released in 2020
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nioc
soon™
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RavFX
I remember reading about Tari. I just... can't remember anything about it lol
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ofrnxmr[m]
It has a nice wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
And can be merge mined with xmrb
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ofrnxmr[m]
Would be nice to merge mine with wownero
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DanIsnotthemanBr
If you want nfts get a picture book and put it in that
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sp00kins
What's the deal with mordinals ? Why does anyone want to do NFT-like stuff on monero ?
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rbrunner
Greed. Isn't more complicated than that.
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RavFX
Yay, unfungible shiat on fungible crypto, World upside down, they just want to poison Monero
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sp00kins
I see. Well hopefully the trend dies out.
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ofrnxmr[m]
<RavFX> "Yay, unfungible shiat on..." <- They should fork xmr with 1gb txextra
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RavFX
Yeah, was thinking about that. If they fork it they can do what they want with it and improve it for that purpose
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anarkiocrypto[m]
As an update to my post yesterday, here is the Bitejo source code:
codeberg.org/Anarkio/bitejo As a warning, it's messy, low quality and most of it should probably be rewritten...
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kayabanerve[m]
I'm pissed off myself at mordinals now
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kayabanerve[m]
What they posted is the stupidest take possible to the point I'm about to call for banning tx extra
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kayabanerve[m]
They could at least use sane steganography, but also, *why monero*
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kayabanerve[m]
*there's no reason to use monero over btc or ltc for this bs*
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kayabanerve[m]
This also contributes nothing back to Monero as a currency
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kayabanerve[m]
I'd also point out their suggestion, to blacklist outputs, is a non-starter.
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kayabanerve[m]
It requires a full node OR lets remote nodes strip privacy from any output they want (as never using it as a decoy means whatever uses it must be using it as a real spend)
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bridgerton[m]
<BobbedBort> > I don't mind if it's expensive or complicated
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bridgerton[m]
So I assume the people running mordinals will continue even if the very chain they are running on says "no". Kind of a weird hill to die on, considering I don't there has been any sale of mordinals made.
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kayabanerve[m]
<kayabanerve[m]> "It requires a full node OR..." <- Eh. With current decoy selection flow, the complexity isn't too much different. It just forces anyone potentially using it as a decoy to download the full embedded file which is large and annoying.
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Rucknium[m]
kayabanerve: Could you explain further?
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kayabanerve[m]
The current algorithm takes a distribution, a list of quantities, and selects a specific number. It then gets the output info for that number, and the larger tx to make sure it isn't time locked. When it gets the larger TX, it could detect if it's a mordinal. The complexity is the same. It just means downloading a giant TX.
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Rucknium[m]
kayabanerve: I thought it just got the output public keys from the daemon
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Rucknium[m]
Anyway, I think we should avoid coinbase outputs:
monero-project/research-lab #109
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kayabanerve[m]
No, it *should* additionally get TX info to assert a lack of active time locks, though I'll note I don't work with wallet2 and will point to @jbernan. It'd be accordingly possible to avoid coinbases there.
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Rucknium[m]
Wouldn't the daemon just not give those outputs as candidates from the beginning?
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kayabanerve[m]
It gives the output distribution, which is distinct from a list of candidates.
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kayabanerve[m]
If there's 100 outputs over 7 blocks, the distribution may look like 10,15,10,10,15,10,30
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kayabanerve[m]
Monero selects from there, then gets output info. the server could decline to provide output info if time locked/coinbase. The client should independently get that info though, due to the concerns I noted above.
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kayabanerve[m]
There is commentary on how you won't know, from the distribution, how many in a block are miner outputs and how many aren't. Doing the check later would *potentially trigger retries* which are damaging to privacy.
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kayabanerve[m]
It's something we so far tolerate for timelocks, which are rare.
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kayabanerve[m]
I'd again call to confirm this with someone else.
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eudaimon36[m]
Hey, getting the following error: 5:11415. Anyone have suggestions? In the middle of a 1 hour trade... Perfect time for problems, lol
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eudaimon36[m]
"Coudn't open wallet: Unable to open device 5:11415""
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merope
Are you trying to use a hardware wallet?
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eudaimon36[m]
yep, Ledger
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merope
Is the device properly connected and recognized by your computer?
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eudaimon36[m]
yes
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merope
Have you tried plugging it out and back in, and reopening the wallet software?
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eudaimon36[m]
no, will try now
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eudaimon36[m]
merope: That worked, thank you! I was kinda freaking out, to say the least, haha.
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eudaimon36[m]
Don't think I have had that little glitch yet, but now I know.
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merope
Works 99% of the time, it works every time
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merope
Words, how do they work?
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merope
Anyway, glad that fixed it! :D
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eudaimon36[m]
Yea, it is moments like these that keep the timid from crypto! One must be somewhat daring, especially if not highly technically skilled
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eudaimon36[m]
audentis Fortuna iuvat
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merope
Just some good old turning it off and on again
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eudaimon36[m]
haha
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eudaimon36[m]
and then if not that, a good smack
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merope
Though I do understand the extra layer of paranoia, given the fact that that little device is all that connects you to your money
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eudaimon36[m]
"bad wallet!"
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eudaimon36[m]
it's a good motive for learning
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xmrack[m]
kayabanerve: are there any known defenses to steganography with ring signatures or no?