True

hi

how this checkpoint is created

ADD_CHECKPOINT2(2817000, "39726d19ccaac01d150bec827b877ffae710b516bd633503662036ef4422e577", "0x3900669561954c1");

Guest3000 just call get_block_header_by_height RPC for this height and you'll get "hash": "39726d19ccaac01d150bec827b877ffae710b516bd633503662036ef4422e577" and "wide_cumulative_difficulty": "0x3900669561954c1" in the response

there is something like this on monerod

get_block_header_by_height

how to retrieve hash and difficulty from daemon and not rpc

I wonder why monero PoW uses CPU instead of GPU

i recently bought an AMD Ryzen for mining and not many option for cpu mined coin

while most PoW uses GPU , bigger coins like Bitcoin & Doge uses ASIC (an analog circuit dedicated to validate blocks)

CPU seems very old school isn't it? i believe bitcoin used that before

and they have the worst energy efficiency

what do you mean "CPUs have the worst energy efficiency" ?

>old school

not an argument

mlcboss if you are indeed curious about why the CPU mining route was taken, you should listen to howard chu's monero presentations and talks

CPU mining has almost the same "energy efficiency" compared to GPU/FPGA/ASIC mining

TL;DR CPU mining is a feature, not a bug

TL;DR it stops the big boys just coming in with huge mining farms and centralising power with ASICs imho. its a bonus feature.

Monero follows Satoshi's vision of "1 cpu 1 vote". Simply put, almost anyone can mine Monero with no initial cost, while with ASIC mining, only ASIC manifacturers and big players can actually profit from mining. GPU mining can be considered a middle ground between CPU and ASIC mining.

I don't think CPU mining stops big boys coming in, btw. I believe existing server farms for VPS'es can make use of their idle time (if any) with mining XMR---so you would be seeing, again, farms of centralized equipment mining monero. However, CPU mining seems to be the "most" centralized option out of the GPU and ASICs.

I meant most *decentralized

fucking freud

<k4r4b3y[m]> "what do you mean "CPUs have..." <- CPU is used for general computing

while ASIC is built dedicated to mining

they were built to be efficient machine for mining

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> CPU is used for general computing... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…8686dc3968ee12231d6d4972d9487b1a874>)

So, RandomX is using every piece and part of the CPU. Where is the waste?

Monero's mining algorithm is designed to be efficient on a general-purpose CPU thanks to random code generation and the requirement of low-latency L1, L2 and L3 caches as well as fast RAM. CPUs are the most energy-efficient hardware for mining Monero.

<xfedex[m]> "Monero follows Satoshi's..." <- make sense , but why would small cpu participate it's impossible for them to win a block

It's not impossible, it's very unlikely. This is why P2Pool was created. Small miners can get regular payout thanks to P2Pool.

xfedex[m]: ohh so cpu is the ASIC for for monero algorithm..

mlcboss[m]: if you think "small" cpu is impossible to participate in the mining, wait till you see the incentives present in the ASIC-mined coins... Afaik, your old computer can get a 1k H/s while the best CPU today gets a 100k H/s? So, the imbalance is 100 to 1 between the best and the worst, lets say. With bitcoin, your regular cpu or gpu is millions times behind the specialized asics.

xfedex[m]: Also this. Thank sech1 for p2pool.

xfedex[m]: what is the benefit of using p2pool than mine the block yourself?

small miners make sense but the reward will be small right if they mine with their own personal computers?

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> what is the benefit of using p2pool than mine the block yourself?

>

> small miners make sense but the reward will be small right if they mine with their own personal computers?

benefit of using p2pool is having regular payments. With mining solo, you get payouts less regularly (depending on your mining rig).

i don't even bother running a small mining operation that earns me nothing or negative cause you need to pay electricity

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> what is the benefit of using p2pool than mine the block yourself?

>

> small miners make sense but the reward will be small right if they mine with their own personal computers?

Without P2Pool, if you are a small miner with 1 computer, it might take months or even years to find a block. With P2Pool even small miners get regular payouts.

k4r4b3y[m]: what is the catch of p2pool , the reason i avoid mining pool cause of the fee

im fine waiting 2-3 months for payout

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> what is the catch of p2pool , the reason i avoid mining pool cause of the fee

>

> im fine waiting 2-3 months for payout

p2pool also doesn't have pool-fees, you do not pay a cut of your earnings to the pool operator.

point of p2pool is there is NO centralized pool operator.

catch of p2pool might be having a more complicated setup for mining. But gupax.io makes that setup quite automated and easy.

is p2pool only in monero blockchain cause i never heard of it in other coins

mlcboss[m]: btc also had one. But they didn't care for it. And now it is abandoned.

Monero should learn from btc's mistakes.

lol

btc didbt adopt p2pool for good reason

didnt*

ofrnxmr[m]: and that is?

until very recently, p2pool was bith expensive and privack harming to other users

and blockchain bloating

ofrnxmr[m]: I get the privacy harming part, but what about the p2pool on xmr was harming other users' privacy?

sorry, I meant, making it expensive for others?

p2pool spams low quality coinbase outouts

monero seem the most unique PoW coin

designed an algorithm that will be efficient on a CPU

peer to peer pool

1 coinbase output becames 400

i has 2 400+ output ribg members in mybtx yesterday

okay, and you say that pushes the fees of transaction up?

I thought that's why we have dynamic blocksizes

ofrnxmr[m]: gov blocked cex for no reason lmao , even binance is blocked

forcing to use local cex cause taxes 🤑

the user who get oaid these has to spend 2-5+% to consolidate

ofrnxmr[m]: but the user himself is also the miner..

460 out on a coinbase is literally 3 full blocks when consolidated

ofrnxmr[m]: so if i want a good privacy is better to solo mine?

and like i mentioned i have to wait 2-4 months to get reward which im fine with it

solo is best privacy, and doesnt hurt anyone elses

there is a pr by jeffro to fix the issue as well

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> so if i want a good privacy is better to solo mine?

>

> and like i mentioned i have to wait 2-4 months to get reward which im fine with it

solo mining is a game of quality equipment. I think monero-gui wallet shows you your changes of hitting block in a given timeframe. Try and see if you are OK with that timeline.

(fix = stop includingcoinbase outputs as ring members*

no.

ofrnxmr I am not getting how p2pool on xmr makes transactions more expensive for others

dont just look at your potential 100% diffucukty

go look at the hashrate of who found the last 100 blocks

a lot of people who "i wont solo becaust it will take 3 years" are donating their blocjs to large miners

ofrnxmr[m]: wut

of course a large portion are from the large miners

ofrnxmr[m]: is there a github discussion thread about this? I am not sure if this is a good solution.

yes

there are 2

108 and 109

k4r4b3y[m]: youre crazy

you just spread a bunch of bad info

abd want to comment on how to fux what you dont even understabd

audacious ha

ofrnxmr[m]: lol, I am here to learn brah

xmrchain.net/tx/c59f4aefccbd732f300…02826e4d34031b342d667350b957772e1c2

xmrchain.net/tx/7d88f6eda4a353ba30a…705db6b311bfd7e0306b7a87344959b3c9d

here are two of my own tx

one using the fix, one without

look at my decoys and tell me which ring is better

okay you got in one of your tx two ring members from the coinbase outputs,

but is this a huge deficiency in your tx privacy?

yes

you got a metric for that, or is this a "feel"

2 out tx are the cast majority of every tx youve ever sent

no

its not a feel

its common fkn sebse

wgen do people send 400 out? they dint and cant

if i send you a ring wuth 15 x 400 ours, YOU KNIW IM NOT P2POOL

and can EASILY exclude any coinbase as not the real spend

isn't this problem gonna go away by itself as we increase the ringsize? For example, when the ring size is 128 with seraphis, you might get, what, 2 ring decoys from the p2pool coinbase, but, so what? You still have 100+ other decoys.

AFTER p2pool fuxes, my effective ring size on the tx i posted is around 10

tgats a 35% decrease in anonset

no

it gets worse with txextra, exchange / merchant volume etc

ofrnxmr[m]: what no? what are the odds of having most of your decoys from p2pool coinbase transactions, once the ring size is like 100+

a 1 in 2 out tx is 1.5kb

it seems like a question of what is the portion of the p2pool coinbase enotes to the total monero enotes.

if i send you xmr and exery decoy us 2.5kn fir a 1 in 2 out, you kniwthose are similar to "internal transsfers" or someone using a servuce

aka, thats nit the trye soebd euther

every sale i ever make in person will be a 2 out

k4r4b3y[m]: 25% at peak iirc

rucknium posted the numbers recently

ofrnxmr[m]: so at ring size 16, you have had at most 4 decoys being from the p2pool

and that was the worst case scenario that could've happened

thats well over 45% if morbinals didnt slow diown or p2pool dudnt hard fork

from p2pool

with 1500 miners lol

After its hardfork on March 18th, p2pool reduced the number of outputs it generates per day by 60%

so it impacts ring decoys less now

a lotless

sech, have you looked at jeffris pr?

it excludes coinbase

<Rucknium[m]> "I will combine it with the..." <- gist.github.com/Rucknium/67cc9efdf7e43a40c52417611b322d43

the numbers

<plowsof11> "jeffro256: freezing to make sure..." <- stagenet.xmrchain.net/tx/e075bf7e3e…9e1b3298965533c04747a557b17abec57/1 only coinbase tx

and heres 2 tx, one using normal decoys one ysing jeffros

xmrchain.net/tx/c59f4aefccbd732f300…02826e4d34031b342d667350b957772e1c2

xmrchain.net/tx/7d88f6eda4a353ba30a…705db6b311bfd7e0306b7a87344959b3c9d

I haven't looked into it, and I'm not sure it's what everyone agreed on

its not part 109, that diesnt buikd rinfs fir coinbase

or maybe the ither way around...

ofrnxmr even though in one of your transactions, two decoys came directly from coinbase outs and thus have decreased the crowd your enote was hiding in, is this decrease really impactful to your transaction privacy? I, as an onlooker to the blockchain, still have no idea which address you have paid to, and how much XMR has changed hands.. So, how much of your privacy is at risk here?

the pain of typing on a phone :D

but anyway, thus one just removescoinbase from regular rinfs and gives them theur iwn

sech1: haha. tablet 😅

on lookers dont, but your decoys are cleeaarrrly not fungible

with enough spam, you can kkeep lowering the pricacy

that's true whether there is p2pool and/or mordinals or not

morbinals alone added 25% volume of excludable 2 outs to the chain

coinbase and txextra are the issues, not p2pool and morbs

some of* the issues

p2pool just exposed leaky holes imat the protocol level. p2pool isnt THE problem. its ysing monero as monero is designed

the fact the bad design leaves doors open to invite bloat and privacy reductions, isnt tge faukt of p2pool, serai, morbinals, or even a merchant who consolidates outputs

reasons for the p2pool hardfork also listed here under "why hardfork" reddit.com/r/MoneroMining/comments/…twork_upgrade_aka_hardfork_on_march

where he sats, p2pool at 50% of network = 100000 outputs

100k outputs consolidated is 228 blocks or 68mb

the solution is full membership proofs

lmao

are you fluffy's unicorn? or just feel like stating the obvious

fmp is obviously ideal. but theory and practice matter

living on mars us nice, but its not viable yet

I agree with this: monero-project/research-lab #108#issuecomment-1379288635

>it seems better to aim for general solutions to problems. In this case, one general solution to the privacy impacts of consolidation would be a global membership proof.

and even after global membership proofs, monero will need constant high volume use. Privacy loves company, and if the majority of the activity comes from p2pool or some specific project related enotes, then, even if we have full membership proofs, the crowd one hides in shrinks.

smh

ill be back in a week when you stop preaching to the choir

have you seen zcash?

yeah, I'm thinking jumping ship

xmr is broken by design /s

zcash doesnt work

why would we adopt software that doesnt work at lower scales than out short term projections?

k4r4b3y[m]: hehehe

zcash is broken by design

moneo, i hope, doesnt adopt broken software while its still broken

ofrnxmr[m]: to be specific, which broken software are you referencing at?

is monero need to mix transaction so that's why i have to wait 10 blocks to spend the coin i receive?

fmp

mlcboss[m]: yes

a reorg can invalidate your ring members

ofrnxmr[m]: how is this broken? Afaik there is no monero specific implementation yet?

so 10 block lock to prevent those types of attacks

k4r4b3y[m]: bitinfocharts

look at zcash block size vs tx count

thats just from z to z adddress spam

ofrnxmr[m]: yeah you are talking about zec's broken tx fee model, right?

but that is not related to fmp?

doesnt scale provate tx

no

do i need to wait 20 mins to accept payment?

im talking abiut it lite$ally is infeasibke

mlcboss[m]: no you don't

monero private tx vokume on zcash = rip nodes_ wallets and everything in between

or if it show in my wallet it's mean is already process?

it just i can't spend it yet

right

ofrnxmr I still don't get what you are talking about

because you havent dyor

can you stop talking in riddles, take a deep breath, and speak in full sentences?

no lol

next week when im back on my main device

alrighty

this week im pissing myself off with incomplete sentences

enjoy yourself

and thrres no riddle in "use your eyes and stop just listening to the news"

lot of noise. blockchains dont lie

all it takes is one to analysis the metrics to see whats broken

tldr. private tx on zcash almost solanad it

I'll wait next week for you to explain in depth

ty

btw is the explosive blockchain growth still going on in zec or nah?

yeah

oh nice

monero vs zec blocksize

notice how zec was always tiny before

and has been doing less tx than monero the entire time

ofrnxmr[m]: yeah

thats from pre zaddress usage

is it ok to use HDD for a node?

i plan to get a 500gb HDD , just incase in the future when xmr got really popular

a smallnotice how txvolume now and a year ago is very similar, but blocksize is multiples larger

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> is it ok to use HDD for a node?

>

> i plan to get a 500gb HDD , just incase in the future when xmr got really popular

ssd

hdd no good long term without special setups

ofrnxmr[m]: how can I see blockchain size graph in that website? couldn't find it

shoukd be that direct link(?)

it shows the block size

I would like to see the total blockchain size

oh blockchain size

zcash have taxes wtf , why there is people still believing in this coin

ofrnxmr[m]: lovely, aint she?

ofrnxmr[m]: that lift-off lol

Coming up on a year. Time flies.

888tNkZrPN6JsEgekjMnABU4TBzc2Dt29EPAvkRxbANsAnjyPbb3iQ1YBRk1UXcdRsiKc9dhwMVgN5S9cQUiyoogDavup3H

do you guys recognized this address?

no

General fund donation address.

ah, haha

spackle_xmr[m]: crazy

a whole year and barely anything done abiut it

we should accelerate

pretty sure their wallet scene is still atrocious (a lot dont work properly) azcash pays out a lot of money to these devs

spackle_xmr[m]: i don't get it how monero development work

is there like multiple teams & organization working on it

or only a single team cause its the only donation address i found for monero dev

like nighhawk wanted 50k for an explorer, but the wallet didnt work lol

generalfund isnt donating to any specific dev

ofrnxmr[m]: lol that was the only wallet from zec-o-sphere that caught my attention

if you want to donate to devs directly, donate to their funding oroposaks

devs are independent

general fund is run by core team and supports dev proposals, but also manages the costs of some backend stuff

plan to donate 10% of my reward to monero dev

without them monero is nothing

also zcash got spammed?

monero development works like > person does work either for free or for d(nations

mlcboss: Here's the place to watch if you want to support specific developer efforts: ccs.getmonero.org/

nobody is a perm hire etc

genrral fund may never donate to devs %hat dont open a ccs

donate you money wherever you feel is the best fit

watch ccs proposals if you have specific devs or features etc that you want to support

even if proposals dont go through, you can still supoort the devs

there was an undertaking of writing another monerod implementation in rust. anyone keeping tabs on that?

few months til somethibg something

i think will likely be libs that make iintrgrations easier

not ne<essarily a full daaemon. maybe just a wallet

they can join forces with molly team, I guess.

molly is also doing their monero libs in rust, afaik

k4r4b3y: ill just say wrong things and wait to be corrected seems to be working for you github.com/mollyim/monero-wallet-sdk

plowsof11: yeah I am pretty good at it

k4r4b3y: There have been multiple, none with progress.

That's Kotlin code around wallet2, supposedly, yet I can't find the wallet2 inclusion...

"Monerujo <-> JNI bridge <-> wallet2"

"Molly <-> SDK client <-> SDK service <-> JNI bridge <-> wallet2"

"only low-level functions of wallet2 are called" .. "app is responsible for managing the wallet files" .. "wallet2's handling of wallet state files and file encryption is one of its major flaws" in molly "the wallet data and keys are simply represented as byte arrays, and the app is tasked with securing the storage (files, database...) and encrypting the data"

Ah, submodule under vendor/

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: Where's that last message from?

the developer @vall... valldrac who isnt here

*where*

Not who

I knew it would be valldrac :p

chatgbt

fuggg :D

if you want to dismantle it or something ill ask for it to be posted in a public place?

... wait, were those messages chatgpt?

was that from no wallet left behind? i recall reading that or simikar somewhere

> wallet2's handling of wallet state files and file encryption is one of its major flaws

is really not its prose. Would be shocked if those messages were.

I solely want to know where that specific message is originally from. ofrn is suggesting NWLB

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: do you remember where?

<plowsof11> ""Monerujo <-> JNI bridge..." <- i swear i read this in public

ill ask valldrac when he's around to confirm (ideally for the next NWLB meeting/github)

maybe just my psychic acting on its own again 🤔

sech1: I agree with you that excluding coinbase outputs from decoy selection hasn't reached dev/community consensus yet. When I asked in an MRL meeting a few months back about "where do we go from here?" after I made my analysis, I didn't get a response.

It doesn't help that there hasn't been a -dev meeting since the August 2022 hard fork.

what drawback? i see none

s/drawback/drawbacks/

its a common sense move and considering decoy selection isnt consensus, i already run the fixes and enjoy my enhanced privacy.

you could say that my rings look different, but still better than low quality anonsets

what about having "different puddles" of enotes as a result of this exclusion? that seems to complicate stuff

coinbase vs non?

ye

what about it? coinbase arent private, theyre polution

im in favor of going further and not add a coinbase tx type that only self spends with nodecoys

coinbase arent decoys

they are coinbsse

a decoy has to look like... a decoy.. not an obvious not the real tx

what happens to the coinbase transactions after they are created? user has to turn those into regular enotes?

There can't be a self-sustaining puddle. When coinbases are spent (just once), they enter the non-coinbase pool

hi valldrac !

Users should spend to themselves

what ruck said ^

P2Pool payouts have low privacy since the payout addresses are in plaintext on the P2Pool sidechain. Any adversary could record that data. Centralized pool outputs are announced by the centralized pools

Privacy analysis: monero-project/research-lab #109

yeah I saw that

the current pr only cleans up non coinbase rings

the next issue is where im in favor of coinbase only bameing self spendable using sweep_coinbase sweep_single_coinbase that would churn to the users wallet

being**

interesting idea

those coinbase NOT use ringson thesweep

Thanks Rucknium, i was looking for the 'effective ring size' graph earlier , and i see its in the 109 issue

currently coinbase polute anonset

jeffro pr changes so coinbase use coinbase for decoys, andreg tx use reg tx

further step would be for cb to not use decoys, self spend only, thereby making coinbase consolidations ~90% space savings and no privacy harm

i was looking on rucknium.me and couldnt find it

shilled^^^^

ofrnxmr this PR, right? monero-project/monero #8815

i believe so

yes that is it

im runningand using it on mainnet

<Rucknium[m]> "P2Pool payouts have low privacy..." <- and further, true solo miners are unknown offchain

i seen 1Ghash a second randomly appear last week on hashvault (to the person who said the big boys cant just turn up)

yeah lmso

fkn asshole had my node lagging for a few mins

imagine if hetzner said 'keep your trash nodes off our network or we'll 51% attack your coin.. youve got until next month"

i thought maybe today too but havent checked

plowsof11: lmao

they just take over your D miners

and*

1cpu1vote, ill be donating 200h/s to the effort

i got my wow block reorgd 💢

plowsof11: hey, bitcoiners have their "you should be able to run a node on muh raspi" obsession, and we have ours "you should be able to mine on muh raspi" obsession. 🤷‍♂️

huh

rasp for xmr is... self mutilation

rock - ok. rasp - just why

i use android 🤷‍♂️

is there a good full guide to start solo mining monero?

getmonero.org is not much of a help

any mining pool has basic setup instructions

there are different typesof mining

pool

solo

p2pool

i will do it tommorow i have to update my OS , Win7 not supported

Monero-gui doesn't support 32bit

Full guide to solo mining is to type "start_mining <address> <number_of_threads>" into monerod

Or use xmrig

i probably should get more ram to run win11

use linux

i can't use linux

unless you like to be confused when windows breaks your miner or node

you can, why xant ya?

isn't Windows more stable?

Linux usually gives you more hashrate

can even install linux on a flash or external drive etc. i cant be bothered with windows issues like "hey, why is ny clipboard showinf a different address"

cant even protrct you from viruses

but will delete YOUR zpurposely downloaded, verifuable xmrig

xfedex[m]: ok i will install it , OS really matters huh

Yes, because windows is super bloated

its actully very aimilar, with a slight edge to windows due to more easily available tuning tools

but imo negligible, i care abiut hash per watt, not max hash

ofrnxmr: on my device I get ~20%+ hashrate on Linux, perhaps because Windows threads suck (i have a cpu with virtual cores)

i go to linux.org , distribution shouldn't matter right?

i will pick Ubuntu cause is in the top

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> i go to linux.org , distribution shouldn't matter right?

>

> i will pick Ubuntu cause is in the top

Don't pick ubuntu

ubuntu is fine for new users

Ubuntu is popular, but Canonical, the company behind it, has made some bad decisions recently. Go with Linux Mint.

askiiart[m]: ok i will pick the second option , CentOS

shitty snapapps etc but easy installation and best copatibility

mlcboss[m]: nono

Ubuntu is in practice a clone of Debian, with more stuff pre-installed. For me it's fine. I'd prefer Kubuntu tho, it's Ubuntu with KDE Plasma (a cooler and more lightweight desktop environment)

Linux Mint lighter, based on Ubuntu (so all the tutorials and stuff work), and has a closer interface to Windows.

linuxmint is ok

s/org/com/

but not easy updrage

too many choices, I think I'll just stick with windows

ubuntu can be painkess for "just use it"

ceetee[m]: is it even that matters

Ubuntu/Kubuntu is just fine

KDE is goated

askiiart[m]: ok i will pick linux mint

agreed on ubuntu and kubuntu

linux mint is LITERALLY an ubuntu fork

but with some easy of use additions, a ux nit as good as kde, and not great upgrade patb

i run both

i prefer fedora

cinnamon , mate , xfce doesn't matter right?

it seem is just a different texture pack

i pick cinnamon cause is in the top

cinnamon mate and xfce are all not grest

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> cinnamon , mate , xfce doesn't matter right?... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…cd0a7bf08a6ad941e9ccce8af9204dc015a>)

xfce for old school guys

cinnamon for windows 7 guys

mate for xp guys

kubuntu for windows 11 guyz

Most accurate comparisons I've ever heard

gnome for linux ppl that dont care abiut windows workflow

ofrnxmr[m]: Kinda Windows 11 interface but not user-hostile

gnome is also granny friendly, so not preferred by hardcore folks

askiiart[m]: yeah

The icons are probably closer to Windows 11, though

kubuntu is nice imo.

but im a gnome shell +extensions fan

I ditched gnome when they released major 3 a long time ago

look the ux is doesn't matter , linux is linux

yeah, i gotused to the superkey launcher though

super easy to use. but some defaults are dumb, so extensions

like tiling, side dock, restore session, kdeconnect, dropdown terminal

KDE connect is good af

i used cinnamon for a while when gnome 3 was real weird

I also use KDE Connect lol

kdeconnect is super undderrated

I did try Cinnamon, Mate, even used Trinity for a while 😂

Now using Plasma and XFCE (depending of the machine)

internet doesn't matter right? i basically just sending hash

cause my internet is less than 50mbps

50MB is plenty

50mbps is a lot

you can mine with less than 1 mbps

tldr. use kubuntu

kubuntu = ubuntu + KDE desktop

i don't get Linux user obsession on computer texture pack

its not a texture pack

mlcboss: So uh fair warning: The fighting over which Linux distro is better is absolutely constant.

its an entire environment

the apps etc

Been a long time I did not use Ubuntu.

The actual term is "Desktop Environment"

mlcboss[m]: Are you a minecraft player?

the underlying os is largely irrellevent to the user interfsce

what changes is the rxperienxe

mlcboss[m]: Yeah, on Linux you get to chose you're desktop environment instead of having one been forced down you're throat)

So like with GNOME by default you get the Nautilus file manager, the GNOME desktop, the GNOME terminal, etc

if you arenew tolinux,useubuntu. why? everythinf works ans has docs

I have to give a new test run to Enlightenment, I use to like it a long time ago

askiiart[m]: But Linux is free (in beer and speech), so if you don't like the terminal, for example, you could install Kitty instead

like, if you try to build monero, its easier to find ubuntu guides than anything else

and those guide will teach you how to do it on otber distros

ofrnxmr[m]: noted

monero gui is only on PC?

mlcboss[m]: wdym? I'm running the Monero wallet on Linux right now

they should release on mobile tbh , cause you can do payment anywhere easily

If you want to build monero, so easier on Gentoo

All the dependencies and dev crust are already installed :p

* Monero wallet GUI on Linux

there are mobile wallets, just not the official GUI wallet

ceetee[m]: I use Monerujo, it's pretty good

But yeah, Ubuntu have a big community of people documenting it.

So is Arch Linux

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> But yeah, Ubuntu have a big community of people documenting it.

> So is Arch Linux

Arch is *extreme* modularity, I wouldn't recommend it for beginners, but it has fantastic docs

arch wiki is amazing, arch is not so simple

arch wiki has all the answers when tou cant find elsewhere thiugh

ar least, will lead you down the right path

I hate to interrupt, but can someone help me with XMRig? I'm running xmrig-md, and I'm getting `FAILED TO APPLY MSR MOD, HASHRATE WILL BE LOW`.

Under CPU it says `11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-11300H @ 3.10GHz (1) 64-bit AES`, not a VM CPU, and I'm also running it as root.

startas admin

YEah, even to fix Gentoo or other, often endup using the Arch doc

xfedex[m]: i stopped 5 years ago after mojang stop supporting PS3

it was my first game btw

And adjust

ofrnxmr[m]: admin = root

> <@askiiart:plantsfarmus.duckdns.org> I hate to interrupt, but can someone help me with XMRig? I'm running xmrig-md, and I'm getting `FAILED TO APPLY MSR MOD, HASHRATE WILL BE LOW`.

> Under CPU it says `11th Gen Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-11300H @ 3.10GHz (1) 64-bit AES`, not a VM CPU, and I'm also running it as root.

start as admin

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> i stopped 5 years ago after mojang stop supporting PS3

>

> it was my first game btw

Hehe, the term "texture pack" clearly comes from minecraft :)

yeah

sudo

apt in an example of "why ubuntu"

a lot of install instructions dont even list packages for non debian

ofrnxmr[m]: Do you not know the most basic function of sudo, or can you not read?

hah?

are you asking qs or me?

run it as admin / sudo

stfu and report back

ofrnxmr[m]: sudo runs whatever you're doing as root. I already said I'm running as root in my original message.

ofrnxmr[m]: He already said "and I'm also running it as root."

well what os

ceetee[m]: can't find any open source wallet on f-droid

askiiart[m]: You running on a hypervisor or something?

mlcboss[m]: Add the monerujo repo to F-Droid

monerujo.io

mlcboss[m]: monerujo is open source and also on fdroid i think

lol @rav

RavFX[m]: Nope, I'm on bare metal

and whatos

same convo

mlcboss[m]: monerujo and stack wallet habe a repo each that you can add to the fdroid app

ofrnxmr[m]: Fedora 37

mlcboss: f-droid.monerujo.io

check xmrig docs and see if fedora neesa manuak xonfig

sech1:

(same xonvo @rav - ubuntu for compat)

local monero isn't wallet right? and local monero is a company that hold my funds?

yes, not a wallet

Bridgerton?

Hey, welcome back buddy :)

askiiart[m]: thanks

cake wallet, monero.com (stable)

monerujo (buggy sometimes), stack wallet (beta)

specifically monerujo likes to corruot wallets (randomly) and stack has ghosts that pop up as soon as i think its good

Stack Wallet is also nice

ofrnxmr[m]: Ghosts?

for light use any app is fine

my stack jssue atm is that restoring a backup seems to .. mess somehying up

never had problems with monerujo or stack

i will pick monerujo because open source and less taking my space

wallets dont sync reliablt anymore

ofrnxmr[m]: Nope, just run as root it says. I downloaded the script that actually does that, and it outputted this:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…c0ac4c37dd033389feb759c209a1b0491b4>)

moneujo has had the corruption issie forever

but i experieced ir for myself like4xbefore i believed kr

> <@askiiart:plantsfarmus.duckdns.org> Nope, just run as root it says. I downloaded the script that actually does that, and it outputted this:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…ac1a053610b240d3a0405eb9a81cc059b88>)

it basicallt logs you out, says wrong password and wont let you back in

is there some benchmarking to find my gpu/cpu hash rate ?

> <@askiiart:plantsfarmus.duckdns.org> Nope, just run as root it says. I downloaded the script that actually does that, and it outputted this:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…2b680ea0d0494103a00c89b1b362017be65>)

askiiart[m]: there are docs to set manuallt

> <@askiiart:plantsfarmus.duckdns.org> Nope, just run as root it says. I downloaded the script that actually does that, and it outputted this:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…746fd43d7605f1ae8e9e5950fe06dba1938>)

> <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> msr kernel module loaded?

> Because should work if you are in root. Or maybe it's some security policies

Yeah, I've got the kernel module loaded, like I said above, gonna try disabling secure boot, brb

stradman: you can just mine some xmr or run the xmrig.com/benchmark

mine aome xmr= download xmrig, a wallet, go to a mining pool and run xmrig with your wallet addresand pool address

or go to that website

some resource of step by step guides from ground up ?

and search for your cpu

other people have likely already benchmarked it

This is RandomX algo right ?

yea

Nice !

I see my model has around 1.8KH/s

can we talk about other coin or no?

is Ethereum now centralized , i kinda worried about EF seem they are controlled by venture capitalist & exchanges

proof of stake benefits them the most

#monero-offtopic:monero.social for eth

brain rot talking about wet water

<askiiart[m]> "> <@askiiart:plantsfarmus...." <- Update: yeah, it was secure boot

like "didya know that when you cut grass its actually shorter after? lets talk abiut this phenomenon"😆😆 *eth is just 1 letter short of traitor

askiiart[m]: good to know

How much can I get in monero in 2KH/s ?

depends whatyour goals are

getting some monero :), don't want payout

are you trying to makemoney withthat? not happening

some monero monero.herominers.com

no not monwy

stradman: According to coinwarz's calculator, 0.00033908 XMR per day

thrres a calc at the bottom

i mine simply to accumulate xmr

that's my intentions too

Do I need fast internet too ?

i pay out of pocket

converting the surplus of electricity into more XMR accumulation

stradman: not necessarily. you want good latency

i don't get the hype for proof of stake , some or planned pow coins migration to proof of stake

its literally printing money with air , plus only venture capitalist & exchanges has the power to do that

its just federal reserve 2.0 next question

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> i don't get the hype for proof of stake , some or planned pow coins migration to proof of stake

>

> its literally printing money with air , plus only venture capitalist & exchanges has the power to do that

It's just a Proof of Scam, please ignore!

where is the calculator ofrnxmr[m] ?

is not possible right for monero to change it's protocol?

*consensus

stradman: very bottom

"estimate mining profits"

I see 1.58 bucks monthly, not bad eh

Now should I buy monero or wownero (fork of monero )?

stradman: monero , more utilities for it and more demand for it

more liquid market also

Can I use it for donations ?

yes

stradman: monero is accept as donations more than wownero

just don't put money on random forks unless you like having fun burning money

wownero isnt rsndom

but its also not serious

so it doesnt hurt to have $20of wow

but dont expect it to somehow replwce xmr

So let's mine monero first and then we can dive into wow, same mining software ?

same miner yer

it the same as bitcoin gold or random bitcoin forks will replacing bitcoin

is just for folks who aren't serious with their money and having fun burning money on random coins

its just for xmr folks to mess around eitg blockchain

Why burning money, electricity ?

and not really worry about lost seeds or bugs

but from a laptop i guess you can't burn a lot of electricity, right ?

stradman: is up to you bud , if you love wasting money and electricity to have wownero

where is the wasting money coming from ?

not much mkre than gaming

and its not mining for nothinf

so I start at getmonero.org right ?

shitcoin mining can be wastinf moner

stradman: buying them , paying for electricity , paying for mining hardware

getmonero.org for the desktop software for a wallet, node and p2pool

xmrig.com if you dont need a desktop wallet or node or p2pool

use the hardware you own, that way the hardware is virtually free

I am not gonna buy them, I mine at my laptop, no special hardware and how much electricity can a laptop take, less than a freezer anyhow

ofrnxmr[m] : would I do without a wallet ?

heat is the biggest issue with laptop mining

move between the tropics and convert to solar > No more relying on the state for power and ton of surplus to "burn"

put laptop in freezer, keeps it cool

lol

stradman: i have eveey wallet installed,but i typicalky use mobile wallet for everything

I put dry ice on the laptop vents, no liquid damage then

nice

you dont need a desktoo wallet to mine, all you need is a wallet address and xmrig

so I can get myself a mobile wallet too ?

stradman: Fill you're living room with carbon monoxide :D

yup

it stays on floor, np

I can't find CO anywhere apart from the garage

go step 1: do you want to run a node?

wait, you mean CO2

so*

umm, node ?

you mean not a part of pool

if yes, do you also want to run the officiak desktop wallet?

nide = store w copy of the blockchain and verify blocks (60-160gb)

store a*

stradman: if it's an old laptop ok , i suggest dont mine it on your personal computer

especially if you want to mine long enough on a laptop , the heat is bad for your laptop

God, it requires so much storage ?

the entire blovkchain does, yes

it's only ~160GB

but you dont need it

thank god

RavFX[m]: 60gb pruned

when was the change to randomX brought ?

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> I wonder why monero PoW uses CPU instead of GPU... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…42f590ad0b3aa76b7047e78fbf2053e281d>)

n uhm. asic = [a]pplication [s]pecific [i]ntegrated [c]ircuit , not analog circuit dedicated etc

what mobile wallet can I get ?

cake and monero.com are my top rec right now

For monero?

yeah monero

monerujo #2

and stack pending #2-1 after its reliable

I’d prolly say cake tbh

Monerujo

luna24[m]: i believed elon start pumping doge before twitter

doge it the second PoW coin

Ethereum has moves to PoS and doge planned to be PoS too

Is a good one as well

cake and monero.com are the same bte. monero.com doesnt include btc, haven, ltc etc. dotcom is moneo only

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> i believed elon start pumping doge before twitter... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…c74df30f1feeebf86ecff733763dcddd81e>)

doge is a real coin

and is almost as decentralized as ltc

Ether has been “moving to PoS” for like 6 years now and you still can’t unstake coins. Some people have had there coins stuck being staked to the chain since 2021

Ltc is a shitty alt btc

2021-present does feel like 6 years doesnt it?

meeting time. fast one

Doge moving to PoS will kill the network

boom

luna24[m]: still works better than btc

pos is a pos

ofrnxmr[m]: Was using it as an example from when PoS for eth was proposed to beginning to be added

ofrnxmr[m]: Legit anything is better then btc

and literally downloading and running xmrig is all I need to do ?

Btc is only popular cuz it was the first coin and people are too lazy to research into other coins and projects

luna24[m]: no , PoS coins are crap

if it PoS i will not put my money to it

It’s basically impossible to mine now a days anyways with how hard the algorithms have become

stradman: Yuh

wow that's simple !

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> no , PoS coins are crap

>

> if it PoS i will not put my money to it

I don’t think all PoS coins are shit, polygon and polkadot are good examples

they literally printing money with air

Polka specifically is a good network to support since it was the first like “official” multichain bridge between networks

mlcboss[m]: So I take it you don’t know how PoS works 💀

Monero.com by Cake Wallet is a fork of Cake Wallet that only allows you to store XMR on the device, but you can exchange XMR for other assets. What assests ?

luna24[m]: i don't fall into crypto buzzwords

PoS isn’t a buzzword, it’s a consensus model lmao

Solana uses PoH which is rooted on PoS but uses “time” to have faster network speeds

luna24[m]: and yet it flawed

Atm solana has the fastest network with an ungodly amount of transactions a second that it has yet to hit

mlcboss[m]: That’s cuz it’s tryna become ether

Like I said, polygon and polkadot are the best PoS networks imo

Polygon gave us kusama which is the best network for a cheap way for dapp devs to test there shit

And polkadot is the only massive bridge between all networks that helped give us uniswap 🤷🏻‍♂️

Imo they are both massive players in keeping decentralization afloat next to monero

luna24[m]: consensus model that reward and controlled by venture capitalist & insiders

Hence why PoS doge will kill yeh network with how cheap the coins are

And eth moving PoS is just as bad

Main reason either was even as popular as it was is cuz it brought in NFTs (scams) and it was easy to mine

mlcboss[m]: But nah, you get rewards from transaction fees on the network cuz staking verity’s blocks,

Verifies*

Do I have to join a pool or can go solo ?

stradman: Pool is the way if you have a single miner, if you have a good amount then solo 🤷🏻‍♂️

single miner as in single client ?

Single rig

1cpu per miner

<luna24[m]> "Like I said, polygon and..." <- why do you belief on centralized blockchain?

isn't the point of a blockchain should be decentralized?

polygon only has 100 active validators and a blockchain product selled by a company

So since I am mining on laptop, pool is the way to go?

They aren’t centralized lol,

And I didn’t say I believe in polygon, just that it’s a good example of PoS done right since without it we wouldn’t have the best test bench chain, kusama, for dapp devs to utalize since most chains now utalize an EVM

xmrig doesn't allow single mining it seems

Polkadot and monero I believe in atm

stradman: To single mine you can use the gui wallet in advanced mode

desktop wallet ?

Or own your own node to mine to

🤷🏻‍♂️

Yuh

I can't get my own node, 60 gb commitment is too mcuh

😂😂😂

It’s like 160gbs for the full blockchain homie

Just prune it though and you should be good

But on my laptop, I can't mine solo right ?

You can

then why people go to pools ?

Solo mining you are trying to find a block limited by your own hashrate

A pool is the combined power of all rigs

does monero have discord too ?

So it’s found faster, securing the network better, and rewards all workers

stradman: Yuh, but they use bridges to connect them to matrix

what's monero's discord server at ? u have invite link ?

Not atm

If you want more help with mining this is a good group

thx

and for solo mine you need to make that few GBs of space commitment ?

Np

stradman: Yeh, if you can’t store the full chain, then a pruned chain will work

how much space is the pruned chain ?

60GB right now

Don't mine solo unless you have > 200 kH/s

so what's the best pool to go with now ?

Otherwise it will take you years to find anything

stradman: P2pool. You can use a public remote node if you don't want to run your own

I see merope1

Otherwise, pick a mid-sized PPLNS pool from here: miningpoolstats.stream/monero

I don't see P2pool in the config maker of xmrig

Like xmrpool.eu or moneroocean

stradman: P2pool is a decentralized pool, you have to download a program to run it

how's herominers.com pool ?

Not familiar with it, or the PROP payout scheme

Gotta go

herominers is no good

nanopool ?

supportxmr, moneroocean, monerohash, monerop, monerod are good

good but id avoid nano, hashvauld and even support xmr, and id use moneroocean or a smaller pool

I like monero ocean when I did mine

I plan on mining using a cluster tho

xmrig.com/wizard#pools : I am selecting the pools from here

moneroocean js nice because you can switch to mining a shitcoin if you want to make more xmr

or you can mine xmr directly

Yuh

I plan on turning the ravencoin I mine to xmr lol,

Do I have to specify algorithm while adding moneroocean ?

On the cluster of 5 libre renegade boards I’m making, I’d get around 75MH/s

Which isn’t a lot but mining in a pool with it should be pretty profitable lol

stradman: rx/0

cool

what's tls ?

scratch that

no algo

tls is https (vs htp)

add name of your coin algorithm at the end of miner password field after ~ character, like this: worker_name~k12. The list of supported algorithms can be found at 

did I need to give password too ?

so for paffword ou write

nickname~rx/0

and the nickname would be ?

I'm sorry I'm just new to this

nickname can be whatever you want

example

laptop~rx/0

gr8

enable tld too right ?

*tls

is you enable tls, use 20128 instead of 10128

actually use 20032 or 20064

maybe i'll just leave it alone then

10032 (SSL 20032): 32000 diff (500-1000 h/s)

10064 (SSL 20064): 64000 diff (1000-2000 h/s)

10128 (SSL 20128): 128000 diff (2000-4000 h/s)

thx

youll put your address in there to view your status, change payout settings etc

alrightyy

and help > faq has a lot of info

like how to switch to a different coin

(you always get paid in xmr)

that's fine by me

if I quit the client midway, do I lose all progress ?

no, but you want to keep mining for longer than the pplns period

youll keep getting paid after you stop mining

but you are paid depending on your contibution in the time leading up to blocks being found

if no blocks are found in 3 days, you wont get paid.

you paid paid for your average effort

within the "window" of time

the thing is I don't have the minimum payout of 0.03 XMR when i quit, so can quit before pplns period ?

such is the life of pool mining

you cwnt cash out beyond the minimum payment if any pool

yeah, so if i like get 0.01 XMR and quit the client, next time I tart the client, do i start from 0 or 0.01 XMR ?

"Just get a Glock!" But which one should you buy? We cover our pick of the best Glock models across all calibers and sizes.... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a36bf4004a7da83381c71c517059a03c2cb>)

#huh?

not sure we have a room for that block of text

Will the client again start from 0 or from where it left off previously like 0.0001XMR ?

"we accept xmr"?

your*

stradman: no, youre accumulated xmr will remain ultil you hit the payout limit (or a limit that you set)

it will pick up where it left off

so it will accumulate at the pool servers right ?

technically kore be.auae you keep getting paid after yiu stop

stradman: right

thats why theyre "centralized" pools

I get it now

they hold the money and the hashrate

mining xmr directly on moneroocean has very low or no fees iirc

help page shou\d show all of that

over 4xmr withdraw is free (ahaha)

less than that with a withdrawal fee (i dont know what it is)

check out monerod.org as well

not sure what their limits are, but no fees

ive personally used moneroocean (everyone knows about moneroocean) but monerod sounds nice too

just going to leave this here... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a0f0ad361b3db718833bdf082de42ee600b>)

some crazy people use tor on 18083, zmq on 18084, and i2p on 18085678 #cringe

zmq on 18082 and 18083

anon networks on 18084 and 18085

<ofrnxmr[m]> "check out monerod.org as well" <- That one always seemed pretty sketchy to me

same, but they updated templates as soon as i contacted them

They even have their forked version of xmrig where they redirect the dev fee to their own pool

<Guest3000> "how to retrieve hash and..." <- Can someone, with more patience than me, explain how communication with a monerod thingy works?

the dev fee pays for the raffle iirc

TrasherDK[m]: from daemon and not roc? im confused

rpc*

ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah, and no way to actually verify

if youre on the host, i guess you dont need rpc

ofrnxmr[m]: All (non-p2p) communication with the node goes through the rpc port

ive never used tgem, only that ut seems like they keep the lights on with the raffle but i assume the other miners are ok

ive heard horror stories of solopool.org thiugh, so i dont trust grifter pools

i was an xmrvsbeast or moneroocean miner befire, liberty-pool for a while (low hr moneroocean fork)

ofrnxmr[m]: If the raffle hashrate only comes from the miners, then *at best* the miners earn the same amount overall as if they had a 0% dev fee and the whole thing is just a marketing gimmick. IF they're actually honest

Otherwise they'd have to pay out if their own pockets to add hashrate to it

nono

i think the raffle pays them too

like donate 10%, we give back 5 to randdom miners

I don't know why but my hashrates are no closer to the ones specified on the bechmarking sites

as reoorted by xmrig?

in the terminal, press h

stradman: The top numbers you see there are extreme overclockers doing their thing

top benchmarks are, if course, tuned by people chasing top numbers

I am using hardwaee that's not overclockable

*hardware

Often stable just long enough to run the benchmark

stradman: less teach more learn

what is your hr

and cpu

as reported by xmrig when you press h

Max hashrate is reaching 140 H/s on my old laptop with i3 while benchmarkers reported over 300H/s

2k advertised on benchmark, you are seeing invizible ________ numbers. hard to help if you dont soeak

h e l l o

answer qs

hello ?

i3? theres like 70 of them

Intel® Core™ i3-3217U

Don't even bother with that

<xfedex[m]> "Monero follows Satoshi's..." <- While that is somewhat true, it's not (any CPU = one Vote). You will need some specialized hardware, to be competitive in the XMR mining game. Peps will tell you stories about, how the mined a block, on a car radio, but also tell you, if you hit nothing, it's just bad luck. Hashrate matters. The more H/s you can produce, the better luck you have. High hashrate cost money. Cope.

It's not luck, it's statistics

the new rig has i5-1135G7

While cpus are not all equal, they are all accessible to regular consumers

and a mobile Nvidia GeForce MX430

stradman: very bad hr

i get more on my phone

and my car radio

even the new i5 is bad ?

stradman: Still pretty bad. Intel sucks for mining

stradman: Not useful for mining Monero

power to hashrate, not great

dear o dear

are CPU heat limited? Like from the OEM ?

all throttle if they get hitter than soec

some are designed to ganfle higher heats and ocerclocjs

you should be undervolting and underclocking thiugh

if I cool more, will I get higher hashes ?

stradman: No, it's about power efficiency of the cpu architecture. Ryzen is 2x more efficient

<k4r4b3y[m]> "I don't think CPU mining stops..." <- Is that why those cloud dev preachers, complain about slow start-up time for their functions. Sorry bro, we'll run your lambda, after the next block 🤣

stradman: undervolt and you get more hashes per watt

and lower temps

won't I even get 0.03 XMR (minimum payout) with the 100 so hashes ?

In a few years maybe

TrasherDK[m]: "well you gotta do the math on that next block earnings vs the hourly fee that we get from the customers..."

stradman: wuth that, just find anither use

few year, alright

another use ?

k4r4b3y[m]: Unironically yes. And you will quickly find that they earn far more by renting out the cpu time than by actually mining

p2pool perhaps. it a media server

or*

where do you rent out CPU time ?

stradman: I'm talking about cloud providers

There was a time when mining on a vps was profitable

oh !

But that's not a thing anymore

Most of them ban you if you do it, and even if they don't it still costs 10x more than you earn

well let my i3 mine, some exercise for the old guy

Hope you're not paying for the electricity that it uses

I do, but hope it doesn't use much

Well, it's a weak cpu

But you're paying ~2-3x what you'll earn (at today's price)

i'll not earn anything for a week, so 2-3x $0 = $0 :)

why didn't browser-mining catch on? it could be a very viable alternative to ad-revenue-based internet model...

0 pay

k4r4b3y[m]: Bad actors had the incentive to sneak miners everywhere and abuse their users, so the whole thing got a terrible reputation from the start

But that was with the old Cryptonight algo

RandomX has the 2GB ram requirement on top of that, and an entire custom VM. Emulating all that in JS is a non-starter

yeah, I forgot about that with randomx

apart from that, why didn't pay-with-hash-to-use model with Monero public nodes catch on?

it is also another good idea imo.. could incentivize the node operators

Few know about it, and even fewer ever bothered setting it up

do wallets support that (other than the monero-cli ) ?

Plus, the odds of anyone finding a block in just a few hashes are so low that it's not really self-sustaining without many users

It would be even cooler to see that feature combined with p2pool-mini, given the much greater ease of finding a share

k4r4b3y[m]: Not that I know of

merope1: yeah

<k4r4b3y[m]> "apart from that, why didn't pay..." <- thats why

makes sense

hard to make sense of the opposite

Hello, I am finding pretty weird conflicting results here and i'm sure the answer is pretty easy. I see you can mine Monero with a GPU, for some reason I thought RandomX could only be used on CPU.

LikWidChz: you can doesn't mean it's a good idea

it's slower on GPUs

like how slow is it? I have a 5950x and it does ~13000 h/s I also have OLD OLD OLD 660TI's

LikWidChz: 1stminingrig.com/how-to-mine-monero-randomx-with-cpu-gpu

this has a couple example GPUs and their randomx hashrate

not only slow but very inefficient

heh you were right, not even worth it.

I am mining with 12x orange pi 5's and my 5950x.

other question you ever use hashvault?

It has a solo mine option and I'm not quite sure how to use that.. I see options where you can solo mine directly to your wallet, but then I have been on other pools with other coins where you solo mine to the pool?

not sure which/what is better

if you solo mine you shouldn't use a pool

either use p2pool if you want frequent payouts or just solo mine directly into your wallet

but i'm not familiar with hashvault solo mine option

well I have my payouts set at .003XMR and it takes ~like a day ish or less to hit that

frankly I am having concerns wether this is something ill be doing long term it seems the rewards are very low. I'm about 2 weeks messing with XMR.

its definitely more of a patience game. i like it cause its like "set it and forget it" and then as time marches forward you have more monero than you started with

its a crockpot of money

a slow cooker.

slowcooker. im surprised thats not one word

hahaha

i wonder if GPUs will ever get good enough to be worth using again. like.... what are the circumstances where an expansion card would get that powerful

probably when they stop using so much goddamn power. Frankly I am sad my 2x 660TI's from 1000 years ago are not worth using

lulz. u just need a way to recycle that heat energy

gpu based cookers that steam rice or something

RiceCoin

I guess its interesting though, they have people building entire PC's just to mine this coin and have a handful of them running vs a bunch of GPU's on another coin