not sure if bot

Hello. I would appreciate any advice or help.

Please tell me the services where i can buy a number for registration in telegram. ? I don't really like this service but there are many developers in it, I need to clarify some questions.

SMSPVA.com or JuicySMS.com. Accepts Bitcoin and Monero.

anarkiocrypto: thanks for the info i will try

shall i get monerodotcom cakwallet or normal cakewallet

cuz github has two downloads and im confused :(

Retro-Hax[m]: monerodotcom is a monero only wallet, the other also has other coins

otherwise they are identical

ah alright thanks :3 cuz i found aa reddit post where they said to not use monerodotcom wallet cuz it takes 5 minutes to pay a coffee shop sometimes

is there a service that give me number that i can use for call?

+ can be paid via monero?

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> is there a service that give me number that i can use for call?

>

> + can be paid via monero?

jmp.chat gives us/canada numbers for cypto , but i think they only accept bitcoin

but you can use any monero/btc swap service

I dont see the need or desire to integrate crypto into messaging apps. All you need to do is copy your reciving address and send it to who ever you want to pay you.

kevino[m]: no need i can buy bitcoin

BobSacmanto[m]: my messenging app has built in bank lol

it makes payment easier i think , since it's sync your number & your address

so if i want to send you monero i just type your number and click send

Phone number? My monero wallet is linked to my phone number? Sounds great for privacy

<BobSacmanto[m]> "I dont see the need or desire to..." <- i didn't say about integrating crypto into messaging app.

its just a voip service that we can pay through crypto

BobSacmanto[m]: it doesn't affect privacy

mlcboss: How can it not? The messaging app is scanning your addresses that it could send monero to

<kevino[m]> "> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> is there..." <- nice the service i been looking for

BobSacmanto[m]: Monero has stealth addresses

mlcboss: you still have to manually add your contacts address right ?

mlcboss: yeah ok, but to recieve monero you need an address.

because monero doesn't have a reverse phone number lookup service

it has an openalias service

you could manually add your contacts monero address in any other app like moneroju

* like moneroju , cakewallet

kevino[m]: it doesn't have to be a phone number can also work with username

is up to the person to enable the monero wallet

if it enable it will displayed their address in their profile

kevino[m]: yes this works too , i personally preferred this adding them manually

but people has different needs , some people just love the idea having payment and messenger in a single app

lol , then its bad for privacy

the service knows everyone's monero wallet address , it might also track how much you send etc

kevino[m]: depends on the messenger built

kevino[m]: is the same thing can done with a wallet , they can put malicious code to scan your balace and transaction

that's why use an open source wallet

Also adopion is required since if I accept xmt but do not use the messanger wallet app, you cannot send monero to me conviently since I do not hace the app. It a two way street, so to send monero to me.or vice versa, would be no different than sending monero by copying and pasting the address in a messanger. Also some wallets like stack wallet have addresses were you can save addresses you use often like for friends you send xmr to often

hello

yeah you probably don't require monero wallet on the go , we are not quite there yet when shopkeepers have a qr for monero infront of their shops 🙂

maybe cakewallet could be useful sometimes if you are in the US.

Hi, I'm using pruning blockchain parameters because I'm only doing it for mining on monero client. Can I use monero-blockchain-import.exe to import the blockchain instead of syncing after using the pruning blockchain parameter? (Translated by Google)

is there a something like amazon / ebay but for monero?

im not talking about dark markets just for buy / selling regular stuff

MoneroMarket.io, t.me/MoneroMarket, reddit.com/r/moneromarket. Bitejo.com was my project but I'm handing it over to a new owner.

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> is there a something like amazon / ebay but for monero?

>

> im not talking about dark markets just for buy / selling regular stuff

shopinbit.de

s/shopinbit.de/shopinbit.de (kinda expensive)/

<BobSacmanto[m]> "I dont see the need or desire to..." <- it's hip to do so. also there is a clear trend going that way: tg + TON, signal + mobilecoin

it plays into the neo-banking game, where money is something "more social"

I am OK with molly trying to insert a monero wallet into their chat app, as long as it is lightweight and doesn't slow down the chat app.

> <@mlcboss:matrix.org> yes this works too , i personally preferred this adding them manually

>

> but people has different needs , some people just love the idea having payment and messenger in a single app

👍

<kevino[m]> "the service knows everyone's..." <- which service are you talking about? stop beating on the strawman.

<MajesticBank> "reddit.com/r/Monero..." <- fkn clown againnn

talks a big ole bag of shit about how trocador being a proxy is bas

`Unlike others exchange aggregator Intercambio is created by Trusted Monero Community members who have years of experience in providing the best possible privacy to their users.`

l m f a o

We are working only with known and reliable instant exchanges, that when they receive your deposit, will process the trade and transfer funds directly to your chosen address. We do not have access to your coins at any point of the transaction.

lmfao

how fucking pathetic

this is a majesticbank product, and he speajs about himself like hes trusted or his exchange is reliable

Signal/molly is e2ee and i would assume that support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360057625692-In-app-Payments would be similar to monero in molly.

.

bf

ofrnxmr[m]: do you mind keeping the language civil please?

pong

i do

thanks for asking

Who is this majesticbank dude? Being a trusted and experienced Monero Community members we should know, right?

i wonder who the trusted community members the trust majestic are. seemingly all of event and communitywould disagree that majestic is trusted

all of -events* and -community*

<DanIsnotthemanBr> "Signal/molly is e2ee and i..." <- is Molly a decentralized version of signal?

i can't get the app on ios nor playstore

Apk or fdriod

ios?

prob no..

Nah ios

* Nah android only

DanIsnotthemanBr: is there a reason why not being put on playstore or playstore don't allow them

Two versions of molly

nvm is still centralized

so what's the benefit than signal?

E2ee

Not meta data leaks

Ex phone number registered

But you can use voip number

i prefer signal

Molly is a fork of signal debloated

can it uses signak server probably no

Molly has unique features compared to Signal:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…ecb452a5bb78eb4b4c316f5bab1dceb6fe1>)

Yes still uses signal server but in zero knowledge

valldrac: can tell you more

DanIsnotthemanBr: ohh i thought is a total different messenger finally no need for aurora to install signal

also Molly is the only xmr wallet in froid :/

Work in progress

If your on android i’d go molly foss version

Does molly offer google push service ?

current release of molly uses signal servers,yes

or conversations push service ?

no google push

so is molly going to host its own molly servers in future ?

that is the plan

that would be great in theory

but were 2 years(?) into the future already and next steps cost a lot more

but i have heard that signal has made the server code very difficult to host by other parties

they dont want anybody using their servers

Two versions of molly

Shows what the difference is on there github page

loli wasnt even aware of the google version

thanks

should i use bromite instead of firefox for android?

<mlcboss[m]> "so what's the benefit than..." <- 1. molly is on fdroid 2) molly offers full FOSS apk

Encrypted backup too

firefox is not available on fdroid sadly

+ upstream code not fully open

mlcboss[m]: yes. also check out Mull browser on android

would you guys use Silent.link

benefits :

1. payable with monero

2. no burner phone hustle

k4r4b3y[m]: upstream code not fully open

<kevino[m]> "Does molly offer google push..." <- there are discussions to implement unified push, but its still early (there are beta versions, which I unfortunately didn't have time to test yet)

mlcboss[m]: really? didn't know that. I use calyxos' version of chromium or tor browser on android anyways

Mull is better,uses part of arkenfox

is chromium more secure on android?

*isn't

DanIsnotthemanBr: so for daily drive use Mull + Tor Browser?

i don't like orbot cause it taking away my vpn slot

orbot is waste to use

you can make cakewallet to connect through tor , even without orbot

kevino[m]: does cake use a tor daemon built-into its wallet app? I prefer using orbot for doing the tor daemon stuff.

They had guide cant remember the link

1sec

<kevino[m]> "you can make cakewallet to..." <- is molly ok to replace cake wallet?

no

cake wallet is not on fdroid rip

one is a chat app, one is a wallet

nothing is

therewere no blockers for fdroid

mlcboss[m]: Why not just get it off github?

monerujo, cake, stack, anonero, mysu are all fdroid eligible

just havent been submitted

fdroid is kinda meh for security anyway

being on fdroid is still a + as thats the first place foss users go as they "repo"

but its also not much trouble to host a _build_ server.

though most external repos are just dropping the prebuilt apk in.. so fdroid js preferred to shipping binaries

example.. a dev can upload whatever they want to github releases. doesnt have to have anything to do with whats in the code

Pynk[m]: it is convenient to pull updates from, tho

obtanium is an app someone showed me recentky

k4r4b3y[m]: Use an rss reader or obtainium

allows you to add various sources (github etc) and download direct from them (with updates)

k4r4b3y[m]: You could consider it less secure

you cwn evenadd fdroid sources

fdroid is more secure imho than any non-build server releases

anything on google play=/= the code on github

ofrnxmr[m]: Get the apk off github or the apps own site

and a LOT of apps are on github with releases where there is no source code

fdroid cannot release something if the code isnt availabke

so i do appreciate fdroid.

also that "pro" apps with licensing are "free" on fdroid. allowing me to use apps like inzivible pro and to donate monero as i please.

fdroid, at the very least, keeps devs "honest"

I just rly dont like that fdroid signs all the apps with its own signing keys (unique per app).

example session messenger

sessions app is incompatible

and when looking into it,they were using libs that didnt have source available

so, withiut fdroid nobody would havr noticed

and session fdroid is actually free software, unlike the lie that session sells

its not fdroid org main that is key, but the fact that it is a build server.

Pynk[m]: It means you have to trust and the dev of the app and fdroid

similar to github actions (cake wallet uses this for test builds - but every apk has a different sig)

ofrnxmr[m]: I guess it's good that they shine a light on it. I would just never use fdroid 😆

Pynk[m]: without a build server you have to trust or personally verify,everytime

with a buold server, you know code was pulled from somewhere

if you had to use session messenger, which apk are you using?

sessions fdroid repo

github

getsession.org

or fdroid

ofrnxmr[m]: I'm not using it right now. But I certainly wouldn't grab the unofficial version listed on fdroid

so youd use the version that is essentially proprietary?

the unofficial version is literally unofficial- its not even submitted by session

ofrnxmr[m]: Thats why i wouldn't wanna use it

so again, youd use session with spyware?

ofrnxmr[m]: I guess? I didn't read what libs they were using.

when session didnt want to host a build server or submit to fdroid, acommunity member did it

ofrnxmr[m]: Trust and the app dev and the community member that made changes and fdroid

I'd just dodge the messenger 😆

right ^

i dont use it either

fdroid exposed session

i still prefer reproducibe builds to whatever binary the dev releases

ive been burned a few times with"whoops, uploaded the wrong file" and i end up installing some debug version

do i "trust" fdroid?

more than github and play store

Can i use xmr node for lokinet?

nope

they use a monero fork called oxen

POS

one of sessions main devs KeeJeff actually wrote the ipv6 integration for mknero

s/main/well known

Was jokimg. Hate when they make you stake to “secure” the network

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> do i "trust" fdroid?

> more than github and play store

I trust github releases signed by the dev more than the apps fdroid signs themselves and provides

i dont

github releases are very very often not matching the code

which is why you see issues abiut the app not being reproducibke

plowsof: forgot to copy that dns-blacklist link :/

Yeah see that before

and thats hardly an example

id argue the majority of android apks on github are the google play releases- not the open source ones

were pretty far from monero / molly

should probably take it to #monero-offtopic:monero.social if it doesnt pertain to xmr

<DanIsnotthemanBr> "plowsof: forgot to copy that dns..." <- need it?

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> were pretty far from monero / molly

>

> should probably take it to #monero-offtopic:monero.social if it doesnt pertain to xmr

yes probably

Question re transaction fees. bitinfocharts.com/monero suggests the average transaction fee is currently 0.00032 XMR ($0.052). However, from personal experience they're a lot less.

Looking at feather wallet right now, for example, it's saying I'd pay 0.000030660000 for a transaction. Which is about 1/2 of a cent. Is Bitinfo charts correct, and if so, who's paying these larger fees and why?

the fee is correlated to the size of the tx, Rucknium would answer this correctly but but im guessing a "normal"* transaction is 1 in 2 out (1 recipient, the 2nd is yourself for the change). small size/low fee. but then you have exchanges who batch payments to speed withdrawals up that will have many outputs (larger fee). also, that "normal"* 1 in 2 out could become a 146 in 2 out - if you have alot of tiny p2pool outputs that you wallet

selected to make that payment.

the numbers check out

<john_r365[m]> "Looking at feather wallet..." <- A few of the latest entries to mempool:... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…dec02ccc620d36a3eb1a275c4c1b6c2d0ff>)

20k tx / day

25 tx per block

avg 0.609 block reward

tx like this bump it up

thanks plowsof, ofrnxmr and TrasherDK!

had considered exchanges, but didn't imagine they're doing *that* many transactions. However, adding in p2pool and it starts to make more sense

i forgot about the multiplayer , feather has disabled the option iirc

multiplier*

multiplier?

the monero gui can let you 200x the fee if you feel like tipping your miner

ah, I see, so the transaction TrasherDK linked to paid a $5 fee voluntarily - perhaps via the GUI

i mean, ofrnxmr linked to

they do it often

the same fee, at least once a day

sometimes people pay [citation required] 3+xmr for a fee on accident cus of a naughty node [pre and post warning]

john_r365: A lot of txs overpay on the fee. Mean is not the same as median, nor the minimum fee.

Use median. If your source doesn't have it, then get another source

Is there a source for median fees?

At least fees are available from your local monerod

bitinfocharts.com/comparison/monero…_transaction_fee.html#3m&search=xmr would be greaaat if it worked though

I like bitinfocharts. But yeah they don't have median for some reason. Median is slightly harder to calculate 🤷

They have median fee for other coins. Not XMR.

a higher example of an overpaying tx xmrchain.net/tx/ec24ac15d04ae4454b4…e0d36af3be20eed42a1ee4a1c8f1a13bcb8

0.574920000000 XMR total

Exactly. Median is resistant to outliers. Mean is not.

avg fee is a good number to know for miner revenue

```

It’s best to use the mean to describe the center of a dataset when the distribution is mostly symmetrical and there are no outliers.

```

good explanation of why median is better when looking at things like tx fee

How do i keep monero-gui wallet on a windows computer more secure?

i consider windows Operating system to be more vulnerable OS than others

*except from using hardware wallets

monero is fucked with mordinals

unless we can stop them

do your part and upgrade to latest monerod

i assume the private keys are encrypted when the application is not running

kevino[m]: yes

assuming you have set a password on your wallet file

use an adblocker, don't download pirated software from shady websites, don't open email attachments or links, avoid unnecessary browser extensions

kevino did you verify the download hash

yes !

is windows actually more susceptible to malware & proven? you could potentially use a VM or dual-boot into a second system you keep clean

susman1 mordinals are hot trash

captain_columbia: yes. windows _is_ spyware and ships plenty of it

ofrnmxr: windows is spyware sure. but the likelihood of corporate telemetry affecting your use of monero-gui specifically? Im mostly concerned about 3rd party malware keylogging your private keys, or something

how do I download a monero

kevino: just use Linux XD

where to buy an linux?

to buy linux go to www dot microsoft dot com slash buylinux

:(

I just created a Monero wallet but I don't understand how to buy XMR.

zilog: here you go, little guy www dot getfedora dot org

PaulJanssen[m]: where did you buy your wallet?

thank you captain_columbia

zilog: I created it from GetMonero.org

uhmmm

<captain_columbia> "ofrnmxr: windows is spyware sure..." <- windows will delete miners and iirc used to or sometimes still deleted monerod

i whitlisted monero-gui directory

are we still using terms like white/black list in 2023?

i just expect my os not to touch my stuff without permion

yeah i am also mostly concerned about 3rd party malware and key loggers

yeah so use linux

<zilog> "Paul Janssen: where did you..." <- what type of question is this 🙄

and worry a lot less or not at all about bring infected by random websites

zilog: are we still constantly changing language so retards don't get offended

<PaulJanssen[m]> "I just created a Monero wallet..." <- there are a few marketplaces from where you can buy xmr.

non-kyc p2p method is by using localmonero.co

but you may see a lot of markup on current market price on localmonero

kevino[m]: I was asking to know

so other option is to use kyc exchanges like kraken ,kucoin etc.

ocean[m]: thats alot to unpack but saying retard is not nice

ut dallas D:

ofrnxmr[m]: mhhh , maybe in a virtual machine

zilog: go to getmonero.org/downloads/

no

thanks, I'll use kraken

just buy xmr from these exchanges and withdraw them to your wallet installed on desktop.

greetings, if I set up a node on a 4 GiB RAM & 80 GiB SSD vps , how much monero would I approximately be able to solo mine?

you wont know until you start mining on it and see what hash rates you get. if it was profitable i'd be in the Bahamas

thank you for the insight

80gb is pushing it

pruned node is 60, + os

<plowsof11> "you wont know until you start..." <- profitable if monero suddenly the size of bitcoin

kinda insane though , if monero mcap were 100x larger it still only about 50% of Bitcoin mcap

a better wat to out it

if 1% of bitcoin sold into monero, moneros price woukld <need a calculator?

<ofrnxmr> are you saying I should have less SSD space?

more

128+ imo

ofrnxmr[m]: it still will be larger than monero current mcap 😂

ok

yep

mlcboss:

and you want to mine on a vps? Guest8713: probably shouldnt

Why not & how else would I be able to run a node?

you can run a node on the vps, but you can also run a node at home

i woudnt recommend mining on the vps though. waste of money and youre likely to get banned

Oh ok

thanks

we must raid the mordinal socials

susman1: why?

k4r4b3y[m]: awful idea that hurts people with common sense

people in this room have reported that the mordinal production has pretty much dwindled to a halt. it doesn't seem like a problem anymore?

k4r4b3y[m]: why would it stop?

they seemed to be hell bent on having them

susman1[m]: apparently the devs have increased the cost or whatever

susman1[m]: they are just burning money

no one is going to buy low quality ai generated images that are borderline spam

selsta: 👍

"Buy" lol

I can download them for free

pirate_flag.jpg

yea this whole thing is nonsense

but the possibility to bloat the network is out there

amiright

k4r4b3y[m]: fork it and lower the fees

Bloating is not free too, they burned around 5 XMR for all these mordinals

or whatever

<sech1> "Bloating is not free too, they..." <- Quite cheap imo.

Hello everyone. 

<Himmington> the hell

greetings

these ntfs gotta be stopped

yeah lets get more people moving toward ext4

what are their socials

im not sure if bill gates is involved with ntfs still but its a good start (maybe he can change it)

plowsof11: Lol

<plowsof11> "yeah lets get more people moving..." <- tf does that have to do with it

sorry, are we talking about nsfs now? or ntfs? either way this feels off topic

plowsof11: my bad

lol plowsof11

Seinfeld.jpeg

Rucknium: gods work

um.

this is too

does localmonero have a matrix room?

Yest

And space too

can you post the room link

#localmonero--agoradesk-official-matrix-space:agoradesk.com

trust me bro its--official

lol that's lots of dashes in the room name

on agoradesk.com footer they have a link to their agoradesk matrix

but they don't have such a thing on localmonero.co footer

oh wait the clearnet version of agoradesk has the matrix link, but the onion version of the page doesn't

#localmonero:agoradesk.com

I guess they should update the nojs version of their static page

ofrnxmr: thanks

They have a space and rooms

Trust me bro

Invited to room

got it

Mention my name and you get a good set

s/set/seat/