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hate[m]
<wochieng[m]> "Hey there. Does anyone know of..." <- your best bet is to get a prepaid w/ cakepay and use that to pay
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hate[m]
there wont be any email marketing services that accept crypto let alone xmr
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ShaneonConduitrs
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someoneelse49549
<ShaneonConduitrs> "
github.com/dayzerosec..." <- thx for the repo. But might I ask how is it relevant to Monero
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fr33_yourself[m]
If a low trust counterparty like the government or exchange ever ask if you still control those coins. Just don't respond. Lol. Make the government cry and pound sand. They need to get humbled to the point of extinction
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hate[m]
yea i really dont know how he came to the conclusion that most people use cake wallet
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hate[m]
me and a lot of people i know all use moneroju
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hate[m]
s/moneroju/monerujo/
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jollyboy[m]
monero-gui, running full node, makes my laptop rev like a car engine
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jollyboy[m]
does anyone else have this experience?
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MajesticBank
probably your ssd drive? check cpu/disc load
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MajesticBank
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jollyboy[m]
its the hard drive making the noise do you think? CPU usage was 20%
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jollyboy[m]
other stats I don't have on me now
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jollyboy[m]
do I need to buy a powerful PC to run a monero node comfortably?
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jollyboy[m]
If you use a wallet like Atomic Wallet or something, you are transacting with someone else's node right?
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jollyboy[m]
and its safer to run your own node, right?
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MajesticBank
Wouldn't recommend atomic wallet tho
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MajesticBank
but there is list of vetted community nodes
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jollyboy[m]
MajesticBank: can you give me some advice, my goal is to buy Litecoin and swap it for Monero
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jollyboy[m]
what apps/strategy should I use?
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ofrnxmr[m]
But ltc > swap it for monero
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ofrnxmr[m]
theres the strategy part
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ofrnxmr[m]
Now for apps. What are you looking for? This isnt btc
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ofrnxmr[m]
We dont have 17 specialized wallets
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MajesticBank
this is very interesting on-ramp, we are working to integrate them soon
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MajesticBank
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MajesticBank
no ltc, but if you get btc, we managed to lower btc transaction fee to 3 usd
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ofrnxmr[m]
MajesticBank: did you try it yourself
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ofrnxmr[m]
Screw btc
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ofrnxmr[m]
Buy ltc
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MajesticBank
making it at some reasonable level
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jollyboy[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
btc is for jpegs and old folks who like watching commercials inbetween confirmations
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jollyboy[m]
there are quite a few wallets
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ofrnxmr[m]
Cake wallet, stack wallet both support ltc
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ofrnxmr[m]
and xmr
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ofrnxmr[m]
and both have built in swaps
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jollyboy[m]
so you would suggest Cake wallet?
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jollyboy[m]
how come its not on the wallets on the litecoin site?
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ofrnxmr[m]
i use em all
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ofrnxmr[m]
Because ltc is a joke
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ofrnxmr[m]
Github last updated like who knows when
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its a joke, but at least it works
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ofrnxmr[m]
ltc > xmr swaps are like 5mins
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ofrnxmr[m]
Btc > anything is a waste of my gd time
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ofrnxmr[m]
Time is moneu
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ofrnxmr[m]
Btc is inefficient and a PITA to use, and a lot easier to get flagged using btc
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ofrnxmr[m]
Bcuz of all the maxis that mix it
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jollyboy[m]
whats the practical difference between storing MXR in monero-gui or storing in Cake wallet?
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ofrnxmr[m]
None
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ofrnxmr[m]
Just that one is on a desktop and one on mobile - different basic security
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ofrnxmr[m]
But both are based on the exast same code
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jollyboy[m]
oh.....
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jollyboy[m]
oh yeah Cake wallet has no linux version right?
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ofrnxmr[m]
fr33_yourself[m]: Depends
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ofrnxmr[m]
Of youre running windows, eff no
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ofrnxmr[m]
Id store in cake before is store on windows
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jollyboy[m]
I aint running windows bro
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ofrnxmr[m]
Windows have too many "steal your seed" or "replace your address" viruses in the wild
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ofrnxmr[m]
The wallet files on desktop are encrypted
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ofrnxmr[m]
So even if stolen, theyd need to be brute forced
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ofrnxmr[m]
All in all, the underlying monero code is the same. Featherwallet is a very good desktop wallet, and has slightly different code than standard monero
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ofrnxmr[m]
Tobtoht also works on monero core, so featherwallet can be seen (sometimes) as a testing ground for bug fixes or feature adds. examples being mitigating some dns delays previously and implementing polyseed currently
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jollyboy[m]
it looks like: you can do an in-wallet coin swap, or you can use an external service like changelly
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jollyboy[m]
is this a correct view?
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jollyboy[m]
for example, atomic wallet allows for in-wallet swaps, run but atomic wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Changelly is terrible
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ofrnxmr[m]
Use trocador
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ofrnxmr[m]
Swaps in-wallet make use of external services
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ofrnxmr[m]
But not terrible ones like changelly.
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ofrnxmr[m]
both stack and cake support trocador
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ofrnxmr[m]
They both also support other exchanges - but i personally recommend trocador
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ofrnxmr[m]
Easier
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ofrnxmr[m]
cake supports trocador
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jollyboy[m]
I'm linux...
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ofrnxmr[m]
cakes linux app isnt out yet but stack has one
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ofrnxmr[m]
But trocador.app or trocador.i2p
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jollyboy[m]
thanks for all your advice! I'm desktop linux only btw
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jollyboy[m]
yeah
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MajesticBank
very good recommendations
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jollyboy[m]
I'm all set
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jollyboy[m]
I'm having a look at stack wallet
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jollyboy[m]
so you recommend stack over Atomic and litecoin core etc...?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Atomic 100%
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ofrnxmr[m]
litecoin core - ive never ran litecoins core software
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ofrnxmr[m]
But litecoin repos were pretty much on life support the last time i checked. Stack wallet is actively developed, takes feature requests etc
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ofrnxmr[m]
And respects monero ideals
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jollyboy[m]
stack wallet no linux it seems...
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jollyboy[m]
cake and stack, no linux...
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ofrnxmr[m]
Stackwallet github > releases > appimage
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jollyboy[m]
its not on the website
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ofrnxmr[m]
Cake no linux (yet)
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jollyboy[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
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jollyboy[m]
but isnt it weird its not listed on the site?
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jollyboy[m]
you have to be very experienced to know about the download location
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ofrnxmr[m]
no
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ofrnxmr[m]
for linux version, yes
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ofrnxmr[m]
Because focus is on perfecting ui and mobile first
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ofrnxmr[m]
Every platform is in beta
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ofrnxmr[m]
Desktop stack is much newer, though sharing a lot of code isnt a 1:1 copy
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jollyboy[m]
I think I'll wait till there's more documentation
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jollyboy[m]
sorry I feel like an ass
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ofrnxmr[m]
If the linux version isnt on the site (i didnt check) im assuming its simple to keep beta testing pool small for the time being
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ofrnxmr[m]
Stack Wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Feel free to ask any specifics there
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jollyboy[m]
Whats the downside to using Atomic?
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jollyboy[m]
I'll keep an eye on stack and cake
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ofrnxmr[m]
is it even foss lol
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ofrnxmr[m]
And it supports changelly?
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ofrnxmr[m]
That wallet is disrespectful to crypto
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ofrnxmr[m]
Why use a foss, decentralized money
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ofrnxmr[m]
then trust a proprietary solution to perform magic tricks
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jollyboy[m]
your talking about atomic?
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jollyboy[m]
its not open source?
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jollyboy[m]
yes, I agree on the moral point
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ofrnxmr[m]
Meaning, proprietary spins on open source wallets are 99/100 times the wallet dev changing things that should not be changed
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ofrnxmr[m]
yeah
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jollyboy[m]
oh...
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ofrnxmr[m]
I dont remember it being open source, but i could be wrong
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ofrnxmr[m]
Most wallets arent
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ofrnxmr[m]
ill check
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ofrnxmr[m]
Google firebase analytics
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ofrnxmr[m]
And ships obfuscated binaries
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jollyboy[m]
atomic uses google firebase??
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jollyboy[m]
are you serious??
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
You can see when they added it
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ofrnxmr[m]
And permissions go from ~6-32
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jollyboy[m]
that's outrageous
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jollyboy[m]
so all users are being tracked?
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jollyboy[m]
talk about violation of trust
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ofrnxmr[m]
Violation? Tracked?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Youre using ltc
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ofrnxmr[m]
you expected privacy?
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jollyboy[m]
I was naive
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or to not be tracked?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Gotta use tools built by people that respect these values
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ofrnxmr[m]
Not people who make excuses and cut corners
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jollyboy[m]
I didn't realize privacy also applied to wallets
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jollyboy[m]
yeah, you said it
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jollyboy[m]
so for linux is litecoin core the go?
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jollyboy[m]
the only reason I am thinking Litecoin to Monero is becaue someone here recommended it
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cockliuser[m]
There's electrum for Litecoin
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ofrnxmr[m]
possible. Im not a big enough ltc user to care
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jollyboy[m]
I don't give a shit about litecoin
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cockliuser[m]
Why not just fiat to Monero
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jollyboy[m]
I wish I could
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ofrnxmr[m]
Kraken kyc, localmonero nokyc
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jollyboy[m]
kraken, I don't like
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jollyboy[m]
localmonero, Im considering, but I have to leave home and buy in small amounts
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ofrnxmr[m]
Kraken probably better than the rest
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jollyboy[m]
I was hoping to just sit at home and buy a good amount (via coin swapping or another method)
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ofrnxmr[m]
Binance, coinbase, kucoin, all lying scum. Kucoin not as bad
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ofrnxmr[m]
jollyboy[m]: No
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jollyboy[m]
kyc, defeats the purpose
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ofrnxmr[m]
You can send payments via whatever onkine method
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ofrnxmr[m]
Incluuding cashapp or crypto
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ofrnxmr[m]
Or bank transfers, atm deposits etc
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jollyboy[m]
maybe localmonero is the right way...
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ofrnxmr[m]
I use LM
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yoi can just post a buy ad
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jollyboy[m]
since no-kyc fiat to Monero is hard, I was thinking fiat > shitcoin > monero
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ofrnxmr[m]
posting a buy ad will get you better prices.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Buying off of a seller, youll pay more
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ofrnxmr[m]
Why? Buyers usually buy below market. So you can buy at market np
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jollyboy[m]
so if I go a shit coin like litecoin, I'll be tracked (probably)
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jollyboy[m]
a complicated world
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ofrnxmr[m]
I only hold ltc long enough to swap it
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ofrnxmr[m]
Idk where it csme from, or where it went, but it did its job and put xmr in my wallet
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jollyboy[m]
yes! exactly, thats the point!
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ofrnxmr[m]
If i buy ltc and do that, vs if i buy xmr directly.. the exchange doesnt know anythinf other than "money disappeared"
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jollyboy[m]
thats what we want, xmr in your pocket
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yep.
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ofrnxmr[m]
The ltc is gone. Poof
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jollyboy[m]
are you using cake or stack on a mac or mobile then?
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ofrnxmr[m]
if i buy xmr with withdraw, the xmr is "gone" too
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ofrnxmr[m]
jollyboy[m]: Mobile
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jollyboy[m]
what wallet are you using for ltc?
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jollyboy[m]
sure cake is not tracking users?
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ofrnxmr[m]
on mobile i actually use unstoppable wallet for ltc
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jollyboy[m]
is it open source?
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jollyboy[m]
no tracking confirmed?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Unstoppable is like trust wallet, but not scum. Doesnt include xmr, so its basicallly just my burner wallet
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yup
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jollyboy[m]
where doing you obtain the ltc?
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jollyboy[m]
in-wallet? external exchange?
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ofrnxmr[m]
personally i use a kyc service. But only if my localmonero buy ads are taking too long
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jollyboy[m]
i see...
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jollyboy[m]
I'm waiting on a kyc application now
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jollyboy[m]
exchange, sent to unstoppable, swap to xmr (using some thirdparty)
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jollyboy[m]
sound like a plan?
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ofrnxmr[m]
If kraken is cool in your state, theyre probably the best to kyc eith
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ofrnxmr[m]
Since you can buy xmr directly
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jollyboy[m]
wow
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jollyboy[m]
that would be great
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jollyboy[m]
pretty silly huh, talking all this litecoin stuff in the monero room
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jollyboy[m]
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ofrnxmr[m]
Its ok. Leads to monero
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jollyboy[m]
what do you thin of this? has 15k reviews on trust pilot?
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ofrnxmr[m]
for a kyc buying service? Or for an swap?
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jollyboy[m]
buying
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ofrnxmr[m]
bestchange.org
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ofrnxmr[m]
Also check reviews there
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jollyboy[m]
seems you need a login
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ofrnxmr[m]
I personally wouldnt give my id to some not-gonna-last business
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jollyboy[m]
thats a good point, yes
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ofrnxmr[m]
thats why i kycd with xyz company, and try to only use them for my kyc stuff.
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ofrnxmr[m]
but again, i dump my ltc right after i withdraw it. So i dont worry about stupid taxes about moving it
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jollyboy[m]
so,
trocador.app/en is currently the best bet for a swap right?
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ofrnxmr[m]
Yup
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ofrnxmr[m]
If you setup a test swap youll see that it is an aggregator
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ofrnxmr[m]
It finds the best rates out of swaps that are known to be good (and trocador rates them as far as what happens if you send them dirty coins)
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jollyboy[m]
great advice!
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ofrnxmr[m]
It also proxies your tx to the exchange, so even if the exchange doesnt support tor/i2p you can still use tor/i2p
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jollyboy[m]
this is so complicated, I'm going to lunch
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ofrnxmr[m]
just wait til you see btc.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Really though, its simple if you "just do it"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Even buying on localnonero can be a nice experience
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ofrnxmr[m]
LocalMonero Official Group they have a room as well and again - app is foss
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jollyboy[m]
yes I'll give it a try
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jollyboy[m]
use a few methods and see whats best
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AlmightyA
Are there any XMR P2P rooms on Libera?
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RavFX[m]
<AlmightyA> "Are there any XMR P2P rooms on..." <- The same rooms, linked, plus or less
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Alex|LocalMonero
jollyboy: you'll often get the best swap rates on LocalMonero, and there's zero risk of shotgun KYC (when the service takes your coins and doesn't process or refund your swap until you give them your ID)
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Alex|LocalMonero
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Alex|LocalMonero
It's only 1.19% above market price, compared to the 1.5%+ charged by instant swap services (which may also randomly shotgun KYC you)
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Alex|LocalMonero
And you'll be supporting the P2P economy, and it's more private.
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modul8[m]
seems down..not just you
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annwyn[m]
Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk: Hi there! I heard you stopped listing offers from Russia and locked out Russian IPs. Is that true?
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cockliuser[m]
localmonero thing seems really unfair but I guess its compliance with sanctions
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cockliuser[m]
s/its/it's/
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annwyn[m]
<cockliuser[m]> "localmonero thing seems really..." <- So LM isn't a decentralized thing and has a body that must comply with sanctions?
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plowsof11
@annwyn #xmr.ru:matrix.org im sure will offer a method or alternative to obtain xmr
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annwyn[m]
plowsof11: Cheers mate) I'll have to hugely improve my Russian though))
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modul8[m]
<annwyn[m]> "So LM isn't a decentralized..." <- its a company (centralized) what do you expect them to do? cut their face off instead of their nose?
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annwyn[m]
@modul8:matrix.org I somehow didn't realize they're a company. This explains everything.
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modul8[m]
:)
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modul8[m]
<k4r4b3y[m]> "Haveno and serai can't arrive..." <- would people use it? has anyone been testing it?
github.com/haveno-dex/haveno
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modul8[m]
serai sounds great but we still need a way for fiat tranfers. also we need a proper decentralised marketplace
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modul8[m]
k4r4b3y[m]: i havnt been following the new one. its monero right not bitcoin?
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modul8[m]
may as well use ebay if its based on bitcoin again.
github.com/openbazaar/openbazaar3-rust
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k4r4b3y[m]
modul8[m]: It is going to be monero and bitcoin
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k4r4b3y[m]
Tho bitcoin addition is really unnecessary, imo. Monero covers all the bases alone when it comes to crypto currency payments.
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ofrnxmr[m]
Dan (Is not the man & Braxman Tomsparks Advocate): openbazaar? Or haveno?
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ofrnxmr[m]
(or both lol)
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sgp[m]
Cake Wallet arrives on Linux, including Tails, Whonix, Ubuntu, etc! More info:
cakelabs.com/news/cake-wallet-arrives-on-linux
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ofrnxmr[m]
jollyboy: theres your linux
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cryptogrampy[m]
<sgp[m]> "Cake Wallet arrives on Linux..." <- very nice
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sgp[m]
<cryptogrampy[m]> "very nice" <- Thanks! We also made a flatpak due to popular demand :)
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toralien[m]
> Invalid DNSSEC TXT record signature for updates.moneropulse.org: validation failure <updates.moneropulse.org. TXT IN>: no keys have a DS with algorithm RSASHA256 from Invalid DNSSEC TXT record signature for updates.moneropulse.org: validation failure <updates.moneropulse.org. TXT IN>: no keys have a DS with algorithm RSASHA256 from
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toralien[m]
must i be worried?
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selsta
toralien[m]: is this your home ISP? VPS? VPN?
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toralien[m]
selsta: VPS
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toralien[m]
selsta: i also fixed the issue in the meanwhile now because it's just a dns thingy
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selsta
yes with some DNS weird DNSSEC related errors show up
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spackle_xmr[m]
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spackle_xmr[m]
The simulation still needs a lot of work, but I think it is a decent illustration for now. I would welcome feedback.
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susman1[m]
are there any UK monero groups
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Alex|LocalMonero
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Alex|LocalMonero
<annwyn[m]> "Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk..." <- Yup. For now.
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philnthropic[m]
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Stay away from anything the zuck touches
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Save_G[m]
there is no reason not to get everyone to use signal
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Save_G[m]
* get everyone in your circle to use
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DanIsnotthemanBr
what os
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Save_G[m]
linux
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Save_G[m]
popos
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Alex|LocalMonero