free xmr? inflation inbound!!

is it to stupid to buy paypal credits , bitcoin and other traceable payment provider with monero?

i only use monero for privacy bridge

monerobull: again with fireship eh

Very nice

lovei t

monero condom*

!faucet

!balance

Monerujo

<nuxdor[m]> "Hi, I'm new to Monero. I..." <- You have two syncing bars as I remember, one for the daemon and one for the wallet?

Which one is syncing?

And where is it at?

How did you "import the blockchain"

Its faster to just sync from scratch

ofrnxmr[m]: i know "instructions from getmonero" - im asking, "did you stop monerod, complete all steps, place the resulting data.mdb file in the correft location, then restart monerod?"

And considering youre 1. using gui and 2. using windows, im inclined to say "please just use things how they are designed out of the box"

(just delete the blockchain.raw and whatever you did with it, and let gui sync on its own)

Its not even recommendd to import

1. Its not faster

2. Its not trusted.

i agree with ofrn on the out of the box part

why monero was $517.62 2 years ago?

What happened that day?

covid pump

Wasnt the whole market at ath or near

for covid?

Monero Markets

Market talk ^

the fed printed buttloads of money and gave it to companies and individuals

covid was the excuse

Then rugges everyone

And took out money to war

Our*

minth: 😶‍🌫️

Market lost like 30% in like seconds

My memory may be fuzzy or exaggerating, but i was watching live as the market pushed up for 5 mins, then went into a freefall in the blink an eye

And everytime you thiugh "it cant lost another 30%" it woukd

What is "importing" to you?

Downloading and copy paste isnt importong

You need to use the raw file to create a blockchain database

this CBDC stuff is good for monero

Which will take 13+ days

Are you using an ssd or an hdd?

ax[m]: Restructures? We restructured too!

Signed - former vp ofrnxmr, current coo

monero to the MOOOOOON

The blockchain database

You need to verify the blockchain after downloading it

Takes 13+days (same amount of time or longer)

nuxdor[m]: That's why I don't run a full node

ax[m]: sorry guys I have a HDD

s/a/an/

nuxdor[m]: Yes

ofrnxmr[m]: the data.mdb is not publically available

Anyone COULD share theirs, but you SHOULD only trust your own

monero-blockchain-import --input-file C:\YOUR\BLOCKCHAIN\FILE\PATH\HERE

This step here converts the raw file to the mdb, and takes weeks in your case

Tldr: just sync the node. Stop pulling your hair out

why a lot of people don't like cake wallet?

s/a/alot/, s/lot//

nuxdor[m]: Thats why it takes 13 days

s/why/Why/

ax[m]: what is the problem?

ax[m]: Says who? Haters hate. Cake is the _most_ popular wallet, ragardless of what people want to say

Its also the only full featured monero wallet that supports ios and android, and is up to date

ax[m]: put 100k worth of monero on a cake wallet once and my little cousin ended up eating it.

as a rule of thumb i avoid food-based wallets now.

i put 100k on ledger and then setup the new recovery

based

People dont like "cake labs" because they are successful

And successful people are scary, i guess

yeah. Toss windows out lolol

successful lol

so are bitcoiners i guess

yeah unless for some reason you specifically need a non-virtualized windows operating system i would just get rid of it

assuming your computer is capable it should be able to run a windows operating system in a vm if you need it

External ssd >>>>> isntall linux on it

+ running windows is kinda like the antithesis to the type of privacy that monero is meant to support

You dont run windows, windows runs you

All sorts of built in telemetry too

it's like sneaking out of the house without your wife knowing to go get a hooker, and then you pay the hooker through a shared bank account you both have access to.

and your wife followed you

And slashed your tires

Protected you from the hooker

nuxdor[m]: how long ago did you try linux?

ofrnxmr[m]: "protected"

Also protects you from your friends and family

Abusive domestic relationship = windows

bike[m]: But Windows is the same

you use command line to install everything (aka: package manager)

Except if you still live in 1996 and still download and install everything manually

as a beginner i'd recommend Linux Mint, if you can use Windows you can use Mint, the only issue is actually putting it on your computer and assuming that you have an empty usb you can use that's not a problem.

Synaptic package manager was SO much easier than googling for shady downloads

if anything getting windows is harder, you know how much fucking time i've spent trying to burn windows 8 on to a usb with only access to a linux desktop?

Now linux distros have graphical "app stores", for apt, flatpaks, snaps

out of the box ease-of-use of linux is imo FAR easier than windows

I don't know why there still people using Windows without Chocolatey or Winget..

I mean, who like to never update there software except these that come with an integrated auto updated.

Use tha package manager so you can update everything on you're windows by typing "choco update all"

bike[m]: The _only_ reason i dont recommend mint to beginner beginners, is because up the upgrade process and potential weirdness with cinnamon or mate

ofrnxmr[m]: It's about the same now considering you can use a package manager and so have the same level of always updated software by typing one line.

I would say that at that point it all depend of the hardware and drivers support for you're hardware

ofrnxmr[m]: the updates are straightforward for the most part but you have to do them manually so remember to do so

The upgrade process is ultimately where i had to draw the line for "grandma"

are you talking about like

upgrading repos?

or updating the computer

nono, i mean upgrading major versions

Of mint

bike[m]: Pretty sure you can set it to run updates before each restart

ohh yeah i see what you mean.

Its not as simpke as "yes, next next next wait restart"

* it's just like two command to remember to update ubuntu

* one commande to remember to update all application on Windows (if you did not do the mistake of downloading everything manually)

As long as you are not using Gentoo you should be fine.

Arch can be a .... But for that, there is Artix

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> * it's just like two command to remember to update ubuntu

> * one commande to remember to update all application on Windows (if you did not do the mistake of downloading everything manually)

> As long as you are not using Gentoo you should be fine.

...(truncated)

i felt like i got put in hell when i tried to get mullvad to compile on artix

bike[m]: yeah, true.

It's like easy_arch. At the end you can still get issue

But AUR is so great

nuxdor[m]: Idk about other distros, but this is basically how it works in Ubuntu. You can just double click on things in the file manager / desktop to open them or search it like in Window then double click

nuxdor[m]: linux doesn't have compatibility for .exe files most of the time but installs for most apps are pretty easy assuming the app has linux support.

using "paru" to replace pacman, it's like pacman, same syntax but with AUR support

most of the time you'll get an app image that's just about ready to use out of the box iirc

bike[m]: But does have appimages

bike[m]: Wine run a lot of stuff but there are canevas and issue depending of the app

RavFX[m]: yeah but you still have to figure out how to use wine and make certain apps compatible, not as "out of the box" all the time

But yeah, WSL2 run all Linux app now, I think.

You can get decent Docker stack running on WSL2 on Windows

e.g. photoshop

ofrnxmr[m]: Very handy, but I hate that extension name

.AppImage isn't as snappy as .exe

Nothing stopping you from renaming tho lol

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> But yeah, WSL2 run all Linux app now, I think.

> You can get decent Docker stack running on WSL2 on Windows

still has the same issues that we've been speaking on that windows has though, windows can still see everything you do in there and can fuck you with updates you didn't ask for

bike[m]: As Linux. Not because it's opensource that it does not contain backdoor. Assume all OS are spying on you.

monero gui's appimage is the best - its just a script for ./monero-wallet-gui haha

RavFX[m]: yeah but since Linux distros are open they can be audited and you can SEE what's going on inside of them.

whereas windows is a black box that you don't really get to understand, anything could be happening under the hood and you wouldn't know.

Many backdoor tentative got caught on Linux (3 as I remember for the kernel itself).

Question is : how many successful backdoor implementation. I remember one that was giving root for using a specific function I don't remember the name, but the error on that function had a missing = in a if... if (UID = 0).... Giving root to everyone who ask, feature was in Linux kernel for 10 years...

ofrnxmr[m]: Reminds me of my days when I was writing apps for MacOS. Since I didn't really know how to package it correctly, my application bundle was just a raw executable file and a Plist file that ran `./app`

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Many backdoor tentative got caught on Linux (3 as I remember for the kernel itself).

> Question is : how many successful backdoor implementation. I remember one that was giving root for using a specific function I don't remember the name, but the error on that function had a missing = in a if... if (UID = 0).... Giving root to everyone who ask, feature was in Linux kernel for 10 years...

send article

been a while, relocating....

that one was caught, I think

still looking for the one that lasted ~10 years

i do agree with what you're saying about backdoors on a level but i feel like it's still 100x more secure than whatever you could be doing with windows

Just give a BTC to some underpaid linux kernel dev to implement a backdoor

easy

more easy than Windows imo

But for windows they can use other channel / giving heap of money to crosoft maybe

i'd bet money that they've been in agreement with ms since FOREVER in regards to backdoors

fbi will spend 900k to develop a backdoor for something that's not of much use to them, they'd definitely shoot microsoft some money to backdoor into their operating systems.

You just have to assume that you're OS is compromised, by default, whatever the OS is.

if your OS is compromised then you might as well just not even do anything in that scenario.

And nowadays, default install on Linux is often less secure than default install of windows. (I don't talk about backdoor here, just general security of the various default services)

And of course it's variable, depending of the distribution

Default install of Windows now have also that thing that run every application in there isolated memory space (using hyper-v)

No Linux default install have that level is isolation afaik (except maybe Qubes OS)

RavFX[m]: Qubes is not Linux :) but Android and ChromeOS are

idkrn[m]: Qubes is Linux running on top of XEN

RavFX[m]: "Is Qubes just another Linux distribution?"

qubes-os.org/faq/#:~:text=Is%20Qube…20another%20Linux%20distribution%3F

<bike[m]> "i'd bet money that they've..." <- L take

<RavFX[m]> "You just have to assume that you..." <- No basis for this

idkrn spawning in for the sole purpose of contradicting everybodies points.

bike[m]: Correcting*

idkrn spawning in for the sole purpose of contradicting everybodies wording

I did not spawn to contradict everyone point 😂 Just mentioning facts

And yes, Qubes is Linux... 6.2.10-1, if you run the last stable version

<idkrn[m]> ""Is Qubes just another Linux..." <- > <@idkrn:envs.net> "Is Qubes just another Linux distribution?"

> qubes-os.org/faq/#:~:text=Is%20Qube…20another%20Linux%20distribution%3F

^ Qubes devs disagree

Hey I'm looking for an article about why monero and why monero is better than us dollar for a presentation

uname don't disagree 😂

bike[m]: That doesn't make sense

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> I did not spawn to contradict everyone point 😂 Just mentioning facts

> And yes, Qubes is Linux... 6.2.10-1, if you run the last stable version

idkrn quick reply to this message and explain how he's wrong because i mentioned you in the message and not RavFX

ax[m]: anyone can help?

bike[m]: I linked what Qubes says

ax[m]: a specific article might be difficult to come across, Monero isn't super mainstream and thus doesn't get many news articles about it

bike[m]: 🥲

<idkrn[m]> ""Is Qubes just another Linux..." <- > <@idkrn:envs.net> "Is Qubes just another Linux distribution?"

> qubes-os.org/faq/#:~:text=Is%20Qube…20another%20Linux%20distribution%3F

People working in security have a really elitist mindset for some reason

Especially hardened operating systems

cockliuser[m]: What are you taking about

XEN is just the hypervisor, the DOM0 is still Linux.

If someone can exploit a bug in XEN to reach that dom0 and exploit it using another Linux bug/exploit. That he will own you're system.

If they exploit DOM0 you automatically lose

idkrn[m]: Specifically GOS/Kicksecure/Whonix people

Daniel Micay is a prime example of this mindset

cockliuser[m]: How is this relevant

They like to dump on Linux security all the time despite primarily working with Linux

So obviously they'll claim that it isn't a Linux distribution

cockliuser[m]: That's why they do it…

Because they see all it's failures

I've seen people from that circle unironically recommend windows as an alternative

"Just disable the telemetry in group policy "

cockliuser[m]: Only enterprise

Like wtf

cockliuser[m]: Yeah, disable telemetry.

If you don't want to deal with security and use all default stuff like granma, Windows is the best bet

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, disable telemetry.

> If you don't want to deal with security and use all default stuff like granma, Windows is the best bet

You can make windows somewhat secure

Disabling telemetry doesn't ensure that Wangbloes isn't phoning home all the time

Hyperv and stuff

Also there's a really stupid github blogger who's basically the final form of the narcissistic security worker

Madaidans or something

cockliuser[m]: You can check it

cockliuser[m]: How are they narcissistic

idkrn[m]: Windows has many ways to phone home, if they really wanted to, and they won't make it obvious enough for you to check it

This is also completely unrelated to Qubes or anything

Murphy's Law

idkrn[m]: Madaidans?

You haven't had an interaction with him I see

cockliuser[m]: You don't understand how many researchers scrutinize Windows

btw, telemetry is just how microsoft work for development.

They use to have a lab with over a thousand PC running the latest build of Windows to test and find the bugs.

They don't do that anymore.

...(truncated)

cockliuser[m]: I've had plenty

Only problem with telemetry, is that it only return partial dump

cockliuser[m]: Ofc you don't

idkrn[m]: I don't care about experts or researchers

with annoy the hell of some windows developper because it's sometime not enough to find the issue

cockliuser[m]: Yeah like Linux

cockliuser[m]: If I cant audit it myself it's useless to me

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> btw, telemetry is just how microsoft work for development.

>

> They use to have a lab with over a thousand PC running the latest build of Windows to test and find the bugs.

...(truncated)

You definitely audit that yourself

cockliuser[m]: The question is : did you actually audit the code?

Or your CPU architecture

RavFX[m]: Definitely not

RavFX[m]: I can audit if I want vs Windows, which is already a big guarantee of security

They didn't find shellshock heartbleed dirtycow or dirtypipe

Who knows what Windows does under the hood

cockliuser[m]: Yeah but still, you did not audit it.

cockliuser[m]: It isn't when the primary way of bug testing is through fuzzing

cockliuser[m]: Researchers

idkrn[m]: Tell the researchers to release the source code under GPL :)

cockliuser[m]: You don't need the source

You don't understand what fuzzing is or anything

idkrn[m]: Ah yes let me just interpret and audit 4GB of binaries

Very cool plan

cockliuser[m]: Ok try 30 million lines of source code

That's just the kernel btw

idkrn[m]: 30M SLOC isn't being compiled into your kernel unless you have a monolithic computer with 200 input devices

20M is probably graphics drivers lmao

Considering how big graphics firmware is mowa

s/mowa/nowadays/

cockliuser[m]: Do 1 million lines lol

I'm waiting

Graphic drive is quite small on avarage on Linux. Because all the stuff is segmented.

Then we can move onto userspacs

The Mesa part of "the driver" probably bigger than the kernel lol

True

RavFX[m]: Wait till he tries to audit his browser

Kernel compilation always chokes on graphics doe

idkrn[m]: It's open source, so I can if I want to

Webkit one

* It's a webkit browser

Plus no opengl crap compiled into it

cockliuser[m]: You haven't even audited 20 lines from your kernel

cockliuser[m]: 0 security lol

idkrn[m]: Nice assumption

cockliuser[m]: Ok so what did you find during your audits

idkrn[m]: JS is disabled so 🤷‍♂️

If there's a bug in the HTML interpreter then I'm fucked but that's pretty improbable

idkrn[m]: I didn't find telemetry :)

cockliuser[m]: > <@cockliuser:matrix.org> JS is disabled so 🤷‍♂️

> If there's a bug in the HTML interpreter then I'm fucked but that's pretty improbable

Audio? Video?

Just use Qubes OS

Any rendering?

it fix the issue with browser, they get there own VM

RavFX[m]: You can do that on any OS lol

Chromium has a good sandbox as well

idkrn[m]: Yeah, but Qubes OS force you to and so can't be lazy

<cockliuser[m]> "> <@idkrn:envs.net> "Is Qubes..." <- The reason is probably that they tend to be very non-neurotypical.

RavFX[m]: I just use a good sandbox most of the time :)

yeah Daniel had a disorder iirc

Alex|LocalMonero: It really helps to be quite non-neurotypical to be exceptional at security. Thinking like a computer is not natural to people.

Integer overflow in Skia in Google Chrome prior to 112.0.5615.137 allowed a remote attacker who had compromised the renderer process to potentially perform a sandbox escape via a crafted HTML page.

RavFX[m]: At least they needed a sandbox escape lol

FYI I primarily use open source software

I'm just not afraid of proprietary software for no reason

idkrn[m]: Same

3 letters agency have tons of exploits for all OS, deal with it.

So just use the operating system you are the most proficient with.

idkrn[m]: It's not being "afraid", proprietary software is just immoral and unethical.

Like what are you hiding

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> 3 letters agency have tons of exploits for all OS, deal with it.

> So just use the operating system you are the most proficient with.

Exactly. They don't need backdoors

Visual Studio (not visual studio code) torch every single opensource IDE.

cockliuser[m]: How

cockliuser[m]: I don't understand it either, but I don't see it as unethical

idkrn[m]: gnu.org/philosophy/why-free.en.html

Sometime people like to be paid for work

Unethical because it's an extension of IP rights

RavFX[m]: FOSS can be paid too

Redhat for example

RavFX[m]: Free proprietary software is confusing

cockliuser[m]: Owned by IBM?

If they are well paid by big CO, less change that that dev will accept a btc to forget an = somewhere

idkrn[m]: yes, but it's an example of Foss being monetized

Lot's of companies fund foss development because they use the software in their systems

s/Lot's/Lots/

cockliuser[m]: If I just give you a binary with no license, you'd find that unethical?

* Lots of companies fund foss development too because they use the software in their systems

yes, if you didn't provide the source code for it for reproduction

That's a confusing position

s/for/to/

Some proprietary code is so because they have NDA.

example : Ledger secure element prevent Ledger to release the complete code. They can't, by law

Same reason why AMD won't release the GPU firmware blob code. Plenty of IP including some that AMD don't own

Wait what

It's not unethical to provide a binary with no license in a world without copyright.

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> Some proprietary code is so because they have NDA.

> example : Ledger secure element prevent Ledger to release the complete code. They can't, by law

Yeah, it's an unfortunate situation for Ledger

apotheon: A law I have no control over makes my behavior unethical?

cockliuser[m]: I think Foundation passport's secure chip is open source iirc

idkrn[m]: . . . maybe?

Nvm I misread

No I didn't

Too many double negatives

cue voice-over: "In a world . . . without copyright . . ."

apotheon: copyright is functionally just paper and thoughts that are enforced by the U.S. government, if you aren't concerned about the us government enforcing copyright upon you it might as well not even exist to you

until someone sues you

Just breach the copyright in a non aligned country

or one with opposed polarity

or via download over Tor

RavFX[m]: Aren't nearly all countries bound to copyright laws due to some international digital rights agreement

The ethicality has more to do with your intentions as the distributor.

cockliuser[m]: many don't enforce a thing

and many don't care (say if you are in india and violate some US copyright... who care)

cockliuser[m]: Berne Convention

depends on which jurisdiction

cockliuser[m]: on paper maybe

in practice international law enforcement is very shaky when countries aren't well allied

technically it's safer (specially in the US), to download from Usenet than using torrent

at lease you are not uploading anything while you are violating some copyrighted consumable

RavFX[m]: I said Tor, not BitTorrent.

RavFX[m]: > <@gfdshygti53:monero.social> many don't enforce a thing

> and many don't care (say if you are in india and violate some US copyright... who care)

I've been to India lol, they raid shops for copyright infringement, and once you get arrested ur basically fucked

apotheon: oh, yeah, that also work lol.

just a little slower than usened. wait for these nice 4K 70GB movies

s/usened/usenet/

It might be harder to arrest people on an individual level though because of the huge population though for sure

cockliuser[m]: american copyright?

In India, you're probably more likely to get raided if you aren't Hindu.

Yes

American copyright

hmm, Then Russia better

or anything in Latam because they barely enforce a thing except maybe in brazil

apotheon: religious discrimination isn't that big in india despite what the western medias report

I'm getting my information from people in India.

As far as my experience goes

in brazil normally you get your head enforced off of your body with blunt long blades

I don't read US news so much.

Me too

I don't think I've even seen anything in mainstream US news about religious discrimination in India.

bike[m]: lovely

I think nyt and vice did some reports on it

I've talked to people from India of both religions and the discrimination thing is really overblown according to them

Might vary based on region though if

*ig

They have some clash between there different religions from what I understand

I avoid Vice except when I want to comment on how wrong some "journalist" can get. It's a trash-fire of a news outlet.

"both religions"

Religion is politic, kinda, same issue at the end lol

Both?

apotheon: Both mainstream religions lol

Read between the lines now cmon

Which two do you consider mainstream there? Is it Hindu and Muslim, or Hindu and Christian, or what?

hindu and telemarketer

Population wise Hinduism and Islam are the mainstream ones there

bike[m]: har

okay

Vice used to be good though in the past, shame what it turned into now

It depends on what you're measuring.

cockliuser[m]: doesn't islam have it's own internal religious beef though

crips vs bl- i means sunni vs shia

Yes, there are probably far more Muslim people than Christians, but Christians could arguably be "more mainstream" by a different measure (e.g. tolerance of the religion)

.

s/i means//

apotheon: I don't know what you're getting at

Overton window?

i'd argue that when it comes to actual population it's difficult to declare anything to be more mainstream than that as a metric

bike[m]: yeah, majority in india are Sunnis iirc

Shias are 10% or something

so basically not even a factor on account of population size alone

Oh crap we're getting really offtopic now

I forgot this was Monero not Monero Offtopic

Sorry

wait this isn't #muslim-topic:sunni.social ?

cockliuser[m]: Yeah, Overton window is one way to (ahem) frame it.

to make this on-topic: Getting a bunch of people in India into Monero seems like a great way to kick-start some social change!

particularly socioeconomic

There's a 30% tax on any profits (?) from crypto

I don't know if that applies to buying goods

cockliuser[m]: In India?

yep

That's part of the reason it would kickstart some socioeconomic change.

. . . because it would heavily undermine that horrifically bad tax.

Government printing press didn't generate enough money so they needed to dig more into people's pockets lol

yep

what a shitshow

seems familiar, here in the US

I heard some people on Reddit talking about triggering “taxable events” by transferring and buying crypto and I was shocked

Imagine using exchanges for your crypto and getting taxed through it

Not us.

a lot of people (left leaning subreddits mainly but many critics in general) say that all crypto is bad (especially POW coins like monero) due to its environmental effect- what is the response

[citation needed]

susman1: tell the critics about the power consumption of the wars needed to uphold fiat's power

Umm how do they print cash, thats not esg compliant 

Or the machine that banks use

s/machine/machines/

<BobbedBort***> > a lot of people (left leaning subreddits mainly but many critics in general) say that all crypto is bad (especially POW coins like monero) due to its environmental effect- what is the response

I remember seeing this youtu.be/H2did0TmZdk and the OG lenghty version youtu.be/yH2t4ayYGDI

<BobbedBort***> They go into detail regarding all major anti-crypto arguments, not just NFTs

bridgerton[m]: USD is far worse for the environment.

Monero is not nearly as much of a power consumer as BTC.

Leave us alone.

That's basically my response.

Sometimes I explain in more detail. Sometimes I just don't want to "hear" it.

<BobbedBort***> also as the videos mention most of the brought up numbers about environmental impact are outright fabrications, yet regurgitated because of ideological reasons

yep

the levels of dishonesty:

1. lies

2. damned lies

3. statistics

4. statist ticks

- apotheon, circa 2012

I'm guessing at the year. I don't remember with any certainty.

<BobbedBort***> essentially most of those arguments refer to a paper which got debunked in the same journal twice that "Bitcoin could help push global warming above 1°C". The paper for some reason assumed that energy consumption and transaction processing are directly related. This seems fine to the outsider but anyone who knows anything about how cryptocurrencies work knows that this isn't the case, including newer transactions add 0

environmental costs.

<BobbedBort***> also as cherry on top there is the fact that cryptocurrency mining at large is more environmentally friendly because green/wasted energy is actually cheaper than coal

<BobbedBort***> but who are you to dare implicate the free market can work against climate change!

Ust?

As in, luna?

<susman1[m]> "a lot of people (left leaning..." <- My response is "youre on reddit, hypocrite"

Do people think casually browsing the web all day only uses the power from their phone or pc?

<BobbedBort***> UST I would assume are US T-bills?

We can always hope

Even companies like visa are massive power drains. How many people get in their car to drive to work in an airconditioned building for 8 hrs and are online their rntirr shifts? Printing paperwork, sending mail, all sorts of stuff

Using power to mine shitcoins is wasteful, whether you believe in <s>global warming</s> climate change or not

s/<//<\/

* Using power to mine shitcoins is wasteful, whether you believe in <s>global warming</s> climate change or not

Using power to mine xmr should produce money that is not backed by thin air

Proof of stake is, by definition, based on fiat

How do you mine pos coins? You need to become a vakidator. How? By spending money to purchase a position

What does it matter

Is lithium mining better?

Are battery disposals every x yesrs filling landfills provably better?

Is the increased weight of electric vehicles and wear caused to roads and future construction, better?

What I’ve noticed about humanity is that we’ve reached a point where we keep using new stuff and then finding out like 50 years later that it’s actually harming us as a whole group is some way shape or form

How do you charge an electric car? With sun and win power? Transmit over cables made out of environkentslly friendly wiring and conduits?

Say for instance cigarettes

1950 someone would look at you wild for saying you didn’t smoke for “health reasons”

Lets all head to Monero Offtopic before banhammer kicks us all

2023 someone would look at you wild for saying you smoke

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Even companies like visa are..." <- The environmental attack on PoW coins is frankly so unreasonable that I don't think any sincere environmentalist who looked at the data would ever agree with. It feels like hit pieces meant to manufacture opinion using confirmation bias of environmentalist-leaning people.

There are thousands if not millions of more intense greenhouse gas emitters than all of PoW crypto combined. I mean, it's like worrying about a mosquito bite when you have cruise missiles being shot at you.

I want someone to shoot cruise missiles at me

Move to Kyiv.

or portland /s

Is there free wifi over there?

I'm pretty sure there is.

Perfect buying tickets right now

<bike[m]> "I want someone to shoot cruise..." <- Perfect death.

Chilling with your buddies, chatting about the weather, hellfire gets send out and before its sound even arrives you are liquidated

s/send/sent/

Thats the cool precision-death by apache way. In kyiv youre more likely to get the maimed by rubble / fire from indirect hits

death by infection 3 gruling weeks later

Least favorite way to die

Incapacitated to the point of not being able to wipe your own ass

At that point shoot me

bike[m]: From what i've read, i wouldnt want to be taken to funkytown

#monero-offtopic:monero.social🤷

plowsof11: this kills the conversation 💀

least / favourite ways to die?

for a conversation? be killed by a janny telling you to use a different channel :P

bike: bile i bridgerton bridgertonll

<monerobull[m]> "From what i've read, i wouldnt..." <- Yeah that sounds worse tbh