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Alex|LocalMonero
<suitslie[m]> "Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk..." <- Not the website. Just the app. Though, the website is basically open source as viewable from your browser, especially NoJS mode.
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chesterfield[m]
Pay them a fee
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chesterfield[m]
Isn’t this how Nano works
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chesterfield[m]
<ajs_[m]> "Scaling and anonymizing Bitcoin..." <- Just trust the guys with the data
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XMRPriest[m]
Question, Anyone know if there is any reminisce of a monero scene in Japan or Dubain being that both nations have banned the currency
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XMRPriest[m]
Curious to know but he privacy at the end of the day hahaha
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XMRPriest[m]
* Curious to know but hehe privacy at the end of the day can give anyone the freedom to use it under oppressive laws hahaha
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XMRPriest[m]
Can you talk about it or would that be suspicion of owning the coins ?
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GorillaQuest[m]
are there any good hardware wallets to use
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bridgerton[m]
<Icarus> test
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k4r4b3y[m]1
<jamss[m]> "But pixels are sus regardless" <- Just get a fairphone and install calyxos on it.
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idkrn[m]
<k4r4b3y[m]1> "Just get a fairphone and install..." <- Worst idea ever for security. Broken insecure boot and an OS that frequently lags behind security updates
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idkrn[m]
<DanIsnotthemanBr> "Idkrn is sus" <- Um no
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idkrn[m]
<Side-trips[m]> "They were the first phones to..." <- That makes no sense that stuff was all offline
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k4r4b3y[m]1
<idkrn[m]> "Worst idea ever for security..." <- \>worst idea ever
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Ok bro
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Is this daniel micay that I am speaking to perchance?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
no thats scrat
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ShaneonConduitrs
Looking for an economical prepaid credit card that i can use in the czech republic to pay for internet things and can buy with XMR
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ShaneonConduitrs
bcs the makerplace i go to didn't implemented monerogate yet
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ShaneonConduitrs
u.u
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ShaneonConduitrs
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ShaneonConduitrs
found this so far
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ShaneonConduitrs
the idea is telling them to send me the credit card data so that i can program chip in my hand with it
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k4r4b3y[m]1
<k4r4b3y[m]1> "How bad is it to run a monero..." <- > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> How bad is it to run a monero node on th clearnet. Can the ebil gobberment see my le hacker money use?
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k4r4b3y[m]1
any info on this? Can my ISP see that a device on their network is making connections to other Monero nodes? Or, does the ISP only see some connections to random IPv4 addresses?
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sech1
ISP can see that you're connecting to ports 18080, 18081
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sech1
if they have DPI, they can detect Monero traffic even on non-standard ports
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k4r4b3y[m]1
what are my options to counter such detection of ports and maybe even the DPU?
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k4r4b3y[m]1
DPI*
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sech1
VPN
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sech1
that will move the threat from your ISP to VPN owners :D
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k4r4b3y[m]1
eh.. not ideal, as it requires constant payment to some other company.
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k4r4b3y[m]1
apart from kovri devs' incompetence, what other reasons are there for not obfuscating monero's network layer completely under i2p?
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k4r4b3y[m]1
I think in the near future, running a monero node will put a target under your back, if you are in Turkey, Iran, Russia, etc.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
well i see as, fck em
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k4r4b3y[m]1
fck em? who is em?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
isp
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k4r4b3y[m]1
well you need them to do your internet stuff buddy
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k4r4b3y[m]1
and they are a centralized entity that can be held accountable to the oppressive regiems
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DanIsnotthemanBr
as in i dont care if they know i have a node
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k4r4b3y[m]1
you in the US, EU?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
nope
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k4r4b3y[m]1
fuck the third worlders?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
depends on the country obviously
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k4r4b3y[m]1
yeah, let's selectively grant monero's gifts to its users.. anyways...
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k4r4b3y[m]1
I think Monero doing its networking stuff in the clearnet is a liability to its users under authoritarian regimes.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
yeah it is
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DanIsnotthemanBr
in that case
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DanIsnotthemanBr
would be good if it was ran like shadowsocks with sock5 connections
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DanIsnotthemanBr
then make it connect through 443
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k4r4b3y[m]1
would be perfect if I could completely conceal its networking (peer to peer connections + blockchain sync + blockchain seed) under i2p
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Denshi[m]
The ideal solution is always through Tor or I2P.
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k4r4b3y[m]1
afaik monero can't sync the blockchain over i2p?
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k4r4b3y[m]1
correct me if I am wrong
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Denshi[m]
you could sync it over Tor
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Tor sucks badly for upload speeds tho? How are there any Monero blockchain seeders on Tor? But I will try and see
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k4r4b3y[m]1
i2p + torrenting works today. works good. I have never seen torrenting over tor being successful let alone encouraged.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
doesnt sync through tor
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DanIsnotthemanBr
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k4r4b3y[m]1
DanIsnotthemanBr: > <@123bob123:matrix.org> doesnt sync through tor
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k4r4b3y[m]1
that's what I know, as well.
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DanIsnotthemanBr
thats why i was talking about 443 so it looks like all the other connections
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DanIsnotthemanBr
also you can block tor entry nodes
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k4r4b3y[m]1
DanIsnotthemanBr: > <@123bob123:matrix.org> also you can block tor entry nodes
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k4r4b3y[m]1
yeah, turkey is being bitten by this
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DanIsnotthemanBr
my IDS actually has a list of entry node IPS
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k4r4b3y[m]1
I know for a fact that government operated WiFi networks on cafe's and town squares block tor completely, and bridges don't work either.
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k4r4b3y[m]1
"just move out bro"
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k4r4b3y[m]1
I2p on the other hand works like a breeze in these govt wifi netorks
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k4r4b3y[m]1
networks*
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DanIsnotthemanBr
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Denshi[m]
jacky_choo: epic SML reference.
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> we need IP level privacy for monero
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> As the world powers r moving against banning privacy coins we cannot allow ISP VPN and state and private entities to even find monero user and monero miners and node operators
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Plazma +1
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bridgerton[m]
s/against/towards/
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Running a monero node should be like torrenting over i2p: your ISP is impervious to it.
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> yea we need more development of i2p
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Any idea if we can hire the i2p devs to work on something on Monero?
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> we need a python or rust or mojo or zig client for i2p and monero
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Rust +1
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> we need more privacy against the coming of CBDC and social credit system and micro chips
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bridgerton[m]
* micro chips implants
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Yeah. They are coming.
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bridgerton[m]
* micro chips brain implants
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> Monero Talk should lobby some 2nd Amendment Gun Communities or Gun tubers
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> they should spread knowledge of privacy coin their difference compare to transparent coins and transparency of credit cards
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> we need all gun shops to start accepting monero in USA
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> then we need others small business and farmers to accept monero
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Yeah. Samourai crew are already tight-knit with FenixAmmunition and Cody Wilson's DefDist.
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> basically we need more trading of default privacy coins
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k4r4b3y[m]1
This should've been Monero instead of BTC.
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> yea need default privacy coin or it won't work
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k4r4b3y[m]1
This is an L that we take in shame as Monero community, honestly.
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> monero targets should be gun communities first
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> if military grade weapons and privacy coins and gold don't come together we r finished
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> brain implant + social credit + CBDC will win, we cannot let that happen !!!!
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Its over
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Denshi[m]
<REDACTED STATEMENT ABOUT 3D-PRINTED WEAPONS>
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Denshi[m]
feds, y'all saw nothing!
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k4r4b3y[m]1
In minecraft, ofc
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> lol
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> we need our politician to make 3D printed weapons in campain or don't give ur votes
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bridgerton[m]
s/campain/campaign/
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> The problem is neither those so called right wing republican or libertarian parties or their politician don't have the courage to promote 3D printed weapons even in their campaigns
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> we need to force our elected officials actually come to Youtube or Televisions and show everyone how to make 3D printed weapons and piss off Authoritarians who wants power at any cost
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bridgerton[m]
s/we/We/
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> We need our politician to make 3D printed weapons in campaign or don't give ur votes lol
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bridgerton[m]
s/don't//
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> We need them to use monero in trade in public display
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> most r these days talking about anti-CBDC and pro bitcoin
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> but how many even talk about privacy coins or monero
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ShaneonConduitrs
Monejuro sucks ass i can't use it over tor bcs orbot is broken (and was since like Android 9) and it requires monejuro instead of inviziblePro
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ofrnxmr[m]
Monerujo
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> we need default private internet layer
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ofrnxmr[m]
Let them know "i agree with ofrnxmr. Get rid of this orbot stuff"
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ofrnxmr[m]
Shane on Conduit.rs ⚡️:
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> or need our monero to mave more default IP protections
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> or need our monero to have more default IP protections and privacy
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Alex|LocalMonero
<ShaneonConduitrs> "Monejuro sucks ass i can't use..." <- A bit offtopic, how's conduit?
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ShaneonConduitrs
Alex|LocalMonero: really cool as long as the room is Lv 6 and higher
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ShaneonConduitrs
the SPEEEEEEEEEeeeeEEEeeEEEEeeeeeeeED
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Have you tried dendrite?
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ShaneonConduitrs
ye it sucks
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Alex|LocalMonero
You use element?
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Alex|LocalMonero
Yeah Element sucks ass.
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Try iamb.chat
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Alex|LocalMonero
Does it have E2EE?
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Alex|LocalMonero: Yes
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ShaneonConduitrs
Alex|LocalMonero: yep.. couldn't find alternative client that supports my weird obsession or being in 2000+ rooms and monitoring what people are saying about me to then suddenly burst in the room with memes
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Alex|LocalMonero
What does it lack?
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Alex|LocalMonero: Quite a few things actually. But it does support e2ee and verifications
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k4r4b3y[m]1
ShaneonConduitrs: Why dendrite sucks?
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Alex|LocalMonero
k4r4b3y[m]1: Probably cuz it's written in Go
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Alex|LocalMonero
No offense to any Go people
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Alex|LocalMonero: Go is good tho
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ShaneonConduitrs
k4r4b3y[m]1: slow af broken features
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Alex|LocalMonero
If you're using Go might as well use Java instead. It's more robust and has a richer ecosystem. Rust is the way.
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ShaneonConduitrs
also.. google
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ShaneonConduitrs
ehw
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Alex|LocalMonero
* richer ecosystem. Otherwise, Rust is
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ShaneonConduitrs
i prefer mozilla.. and then telling them to fuck off and making crablang
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Well I hope conduit doesn't become abandonware. At least with dendrite I have guarantee that this will be the official next gen matrix server.
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ShaneonConduitrs
on a compiler that is not designed by a masochist that makes it fail if a variable is unassigned
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Conduit seems like it is developed by a single guy with donations
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ShaneonConduitrs
yeee
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Alex|LocalMonero
The matrix people only now realized that Rust is the way, so they made matrix-rust-sdk
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Server impl wen
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Alex|LocalMonero
Hopefully they'll stop wasting resources on Dendrite and go straight to a rust-based server.
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Lol
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ShaneonConduitrs
The 40M EUR worth of tax payer money wasted on dendrite
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ShaneonConduitrs
that's why we can't have nice things
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k4r4b3y[m]1
ShaneonConduitrs: I blame the taxpayers.
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Thank god monero fixes this.
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Alex|LocalMonero
I blame Macron
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Alex|LocalMonero
No offense to any Macron fans.
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ShaneonConduitrs
though conduit is funded by the german gov
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jamss[m]
What's dendrite?
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Alex|LocalMonero
a waste
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ShaneonConduitrs
significantly less money, does way more
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ShaneonConduitrs
the value
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k4r4b3y[m]1
jamss[m]: More fast and efficient matrix server implementation
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k4r4b3y[m]1
The original one synapse is written in fucking python
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ShaneonConduitrs
and instead of 60 developers it's one guy working on it in free time
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Alex|LocalMonero
k4r4b3y[m]1: It's not hard to be more efficient than python
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k4r4b3y[m]1
k4r4b3y[m]1: Like bru wtf frfr ong
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jamss[m]
Python gets me paid tho
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Alex|LocalMonero
"My imlpementation is more efficient than the python implementation" is like saying "i managed to outrun a snail"
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ShaneonConduitrs
jamss[m]: ya need more lisp in your life bruh
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Alex|LocalMonero: Hey at least it did outrun!
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jamss[m]
ShaneonConduitrs: I'm a retard tho
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ShaneonConduitrs
Alex|LocalMonero: amen
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ShaneonConduitrs
jamss[m]: supermajority of people on this planet is
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k4r4b3y[m]1
ShaneonConduitrs: I LOOVE DEMOCRACY !!
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ShaneonConduitrs
i hate democracy
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jamss[m]
Python is for retards like me
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ShaneonConduitrs
it's like socialism people keep thinking that they can make it work while the whole thing is crumbling apart and taped together with not enough tape
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ShaneonConduitrs
Socrates saw this happening 2000 years ago and people still didn't listen
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ShaneonConduitrs
smh
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k4r4b3y[m]1
I identify as christo-nietszchean with hoppean characteristics
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Pronouns (god/gods)
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jamss[m]
It's who counts the votes
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ShaneonConduitrs
i want democracy where only qualified people get the job
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ShaneonConduitrs
instead of it being a club filled with retards thinking that they can run the country and failing miserably at it
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k4r4b3y[m]1
ShaneonConduitrs: Did yoy just say you are an authoritarian??!
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Alex|LocalMonero
I think he said he hates freedom and children.
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ShaneonConduitrs
just saying..
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ShaneonConduitrs
k4r4b3y[m]1: nah.. i guess more socialist liberal
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jamss[m]
Me IRL
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ShaneonConduitrs
it's the president of the czech republic
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ShaneonConduitrs
he former nato supreme commander
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ShaneonConduitrs
and out prime minister is doctor of political science
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k4r4b3y[m]1
They say Czechia is the Texas of EU
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ShaneonConduitrs
s/out/our/
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Alex|LocalMonero
are you one of those people that wacks off to anthropomophised F35s?
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jamss[m]
Lol
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ShaneonConduitrs
nah i keep annoying our army to get those LITERALLY FREE gripens from sweden
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jamss[m]
That's a good smut novel theme
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ShaneonConduitrs
what the fuck are you going to do with F35 against a felon .. well felon ain't feloning lol.. against a flanker
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ShaneonConduitrs
or some chinese shit that desintegrates after it reaches the eqvivalent of train going down the hill G force
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jamss[m]
Is there anything that trades without a public price?
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ShaneonConduitrs
open-source anything
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ShaneonConduitrs
and that magic box of scraps at makerspace
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jamss[m]
But you can't trade that for something else
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jamss[m]
I guess metals are sort of doing that now. Physical price is widely different from spot
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jamss[m]
But what if spot was banned?
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ShaneonConduitrs
i could make lasered out hearts that trade for monero
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ShaneonConduitrs
+- how i pay for my membership in makerspace lol
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ShaneonConduitrs
you gotta wait for open hours
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ShaneonConduitrs
get bunch of people who want to get stuff done
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ShaneonConduitrs
you make stuff
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ShaneonConduitrs
ez money
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jamss[m]
I see
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ShaneonConduitrs
literally making wine out of nothing
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ShaneonConduitrs
yet none calls me jesus
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jamss[m]
Would you trade it for monero if it was only p2p market?
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ShaneonConduitrs
and i don't need bunch of cult lunatics convincing people that it works
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ShaneonConduitrs
well gtg doing school now
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k4r4b3y[m]1
Cya kid. Stay away from the taxman.
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> remember democracy == mob rule, constitution republic == minorities rights protection
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k4r4b3y[m]1
let's cut the bullshit and go straight to monarchy
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> The one with more military grade guns on civilians hands can allow a culture of privacy coins to flourish in full glory
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> 😛
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> 🤪
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> yea elect me ur king luls
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> i give full auto machine guns, nukes and monero to everyone lol
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> 🤣
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bridgerton[m]
* machine guns, tactical nukes and
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bridgerton[m]
* machine guns, tactical nukes, * nukes,, * gold and monero
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k4r4b3y[m]1
fungibility is bitcoiners' favorite point that they like to forget, whenever they bulletpoint the properties of good money.
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> if they do not bring protocol level privacy and network level privacy they will be known in history as a scam and cult following movement nothing more
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bridgerton[m]
<plazma> 😛
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yay6229[m]
It was just the first one, it wasn't supposed to be good
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k4r4b3y[m]1
le immaculate conception tho
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k4r4b3y[m]1
bitcoin is literally the baby jesus
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DanIsnotthemanBr
<Alex|LocalMonero> ""My imlpementation is more..." <- I would like to see this race.
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idkrn[m]
<DanIsnotthemanBr> "no thats scrat" <- From ice age? Or did you mean strcat?
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DanIsnotthemanBr
That one