<ctrose010[m]> "for LibertyX" <- theyre asking for ID now so fuck them

<r4v3r23[m]1> "theyre asking for ID now so fuck..." <- The Man got to them 🕵️

Yeah I figured

Bisq is the best way to go then

Nah, the need for bitcoin is a showstopper, or did they change that?

Trades happen in Bitcoin, but they have an option to trade BTC to XMR

So, it would only touch your address for 1 transaction.

Although they should create a Bisq for Monero... Misq. That is what they should call it.

Why monero bros promoting DERO

does DERO use Monero

?

<ctrose010[m]> "So, it would only touch your..." <- That's one too much.

I agree. Misq must be made

or they just change the flow

Havano is the Monero version of bitch.

*bisq

Oh, I will look into that

<playmate7782[m]> "Why monero bros promoting DERO" <- What is affinity fraud? Fraudsters who carry out affinity scams frequently are (or pretend to be) members of the group they are trying to defraud.

k4r4b3y: So I've made a wallet with Stackwallet and it gave me a _seed phrase_. What's that for? It's like a bunch of random words

s/_seed/*seed/, s/phrase_./phrase*./

s/_seed/seed/, s/phrase_/phrase/

* @k4r4b3y: So I've made a wallet with Stackwallet and it gave me a seed phrase. What's that for? It's like a bunch of random words

s/_seed/seed/, s/phrase_/phrase/

skooner: Before doing anything else, go read about Monero, the concepts and what's what.

TrasherDK[m]: I have read a little but it's all so much

I have made some transactions

But I don't get what the seed phrase thing is for

So, go read some more. Being this clueless is a recipe for disaster.

Work is so hectic I don't really have a lot of time to read

Thought I'd just ask here since you guys have been so helpful 😊

From what I understand the seed phrase is like the password to the wallet

Tldr monero!

<skooner[m]> "But I don't get what the seed..." <- Write it down. On paper. Keep it in a safe place, like your wallet, or, if you need even more security, a safe or in one of those locked box things they have at the bank (depending on how much you trust your bank to open up boxes and steal crypto)

* bank to not open up

<skooner[m]> "Work is so hectic I don't really..." <- How much time would it take to google "Monero seed phrase"?

TrasherDK[m]: longer than it would take to look up the same phrase at html.duckduckgo.com

From more experienced users

trasherdk: I get the gist of it, I just wanted to know if there's a better explanation

I already use DDG. Google has really gone down in quality

And now they're using that weird AI thingy

also depends on whether you have uBlock Origin installed

* Origin installed, which would probably speed up your google search a bit

I've got both installed, so I don't get any weird shit.

skooner[m]: What kind of better explanation?

If you were asking how a time machine works, do you want me to say "Here, just set the time and pull this lever" or would you rather I say "It uses a very clever hack of quantum physics, here's the white paper with all the technical details, let's go over it..."?

DukatFollowerand: Like how is it used to create the wallet. Why can other people use it to get access to my wallet without the PIN?

DukatFollowerand: Both?

I think?

> Like how is it used to create the wallet

Pull-the-lever details: That seed *is* your wallet. If you ever lose access to your wallet (forget the pin, app crashes and won't open, etc) the seed is the key to restoring your account, even in another wallet program. I believe the words were picked so that any word in the wordlist could be identified using only 4 letters. Many clients are able to autocomplete words as you're typing them, which helps avoid losing your wallet because of

a spelling mistake.

Don't know the technical details exactly, I think it turns the words into a hash or something and derives a wallet from it? I'll have to look into that

> Why can other people use it to get access to my wallet without the PIN?

Because the PIN only unlocks the application. The recovery seed must be kept secure separately from your device and your application's PIN/biometrics security.

If the seed had a PIN, it could probably be brute forced very easily. However, if I recall correctly, you can make a hidden wallet and add a passphrase to your seed. You can choose to not write this part down, but if you forget, it's lost forever.

It may be tempting to just remove a word from the seed and remember that word. But that would be easy to brute force.

Something about technical details: You used to have to remember/write down the date you created the wallet along with the seed, but I think at some point they integrated the block height into the seed, so that there would be part of the technical details

This might be outdated, but:

> In the official wallet, the mnemonic seed comprises 25 words with the last word being used as a checksum. Those words correspond to a 256-bit integer, which is the account's private spend key. The private view key is derived by hashing the private spend key with Keccak-256, producing a second 256-bit integer. The corresponding public keys are then derived from the private keys.

Yes, that is an interesting thing: one of the words in the seed is a checksum, to make sure there were no errors

skooner I hope I'm being informative

Very informative. Thank you!

Tldr: seed IS wallet. Do not share. Do not lose

Do not import into shady wallets. Do not put on clipboard of infected OS.

Also, do not use a search engine, App/Play store to search for a suitable wallet. You will find, the most scammy ones will appear first in searches 🤣

Monerujo is pretty good, right? Also Feather?

What about Cake Wallet?

I wouldn't know. I'm GUI, CLI and RPC only. I'll probably include LWS soon.

LWS?

monero-lws

Hi, I'm trying to fork the CCS repository at repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals, but it tells me that I have reached my project limit (I have 0 repositories). Is there a fix?

s/a/something/, s/fix/I have to do before forking it/

recanman: you have to create an account on our instance of gitlab (instead of logging in with a third party site) - should fix it

plowsof11: Oops, thanks

<plowsof11> "recanman: you have to create..." <- I tried to recreate my account but it seems that when I deleted my account it scheduled it for deletion. Are you able to delete it for me or change the deleted account's username?

* for deletion and therefore can no longer use my username. Are

(you're talking to someone who has multiple plowsof plowsoffff accounts) but yes i think we could do something for you, whats the username

recanman

Thanks

trying to request but not possible to contact the admin atm, may have to resort to recanmann temporarily

Oh, I was able to register

I guess it deletes it after a couple minutes

<TrasherDK[m]> "Also, do not use a search engine..." <- Yeah I'm using Stackwallet that k4r4b3y: recommended

* Yeah I'm using Stackwallet that k4r4b3y: recommended

s/://

Fyi stack wallet is a good wallet to keep around, but for monero its missing features and buggy

(as expected - its alpha software)

Example. stack doesnt support accounts. If you have funds i a separate account, balance recovery is broken

s/i a/in a/

Also doesnt respect "autosync" setting for native chains like epic, wow or monero. Need to launch into the wallet.

there were some annoying sync issues before, but mostly seem to be fixed now

The issue now if when you change nodes while syncing.

Some other bugs like "autosync over wifi only" seems to break manual syncing

And #1 issue - it doesnt include the black theme by default. You have to enable/download it in the settings

Lots of potential, but a less than ideal level of stable functionality for a new user to rely on

- Account support... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…db315ae1cfaf3421f7b89fcb0b2ff9c00c7>)

1,2,5 would probably make stack solid enough for typical user

4 (memory optimizations, or "stay alive" hacks) would be great

3 is only a PITA for users who use multiple nodes

shouldn't you ping rehrar or something?

...

Way ahead of ya

I dont post github issues much these days

Heres a fun one

tldr: i find problems and get em fixed. Reallllly dont need to be told to

Stack wallets first "issue" was 45 seconds after i installed the apk, about 45 seconds after it was announced

"I'm able to bypass the biometric / pin lock by" have you spent all of your critical bug bounty payout yet ofrnxmr

imagine someone running away with your phone while paying for something - they have your entire balance now

im richhhhhhhh (iwish)

Or imagine actually thinking the fingerprint or pin arent just cosmetic.

The opposite problem of stack. Stack closes it self, cake would remain unlocked and just show a fake lockscreen

Like you stsrt pc. Then lock it. To unlock it, you just undo the fullscreen(f11?) for the "lockscreen"

I2p is so broken. Ofrnxmr update: its been disabled on my node until fixed in the code

Totalky breaks relay of tx in some curcumstsnces

ofrnxmr[m]: Sad

Plowsof had issue many times, i reproduced

ive been hosting an on-off malicious node that sometimes doesnt braodcast transactions

Txproxy with onion works fine

i2p disabled, and it 'just works' now 😭

thanks for reproducing ofrnxmr

I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support"

* I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support"

If you want, please look at it. Thanks

* I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support", so I'm posting it here

If you want, please look at it. Thanks

* I just submitted my first CCS proposal [here](repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/395), the Monero website is telling me to "Drum up some support", so I'm posting it here.

If you want, please look at it. Thanks

thanks recanman we have biweekly meetings in #monero-community:monero.social to discuss the ccs ideas

Oops

I will be there at the next one, thanks for letting me know

ive not read the entire proposal yet but we had a monero jobs website previously with a similar stack from spirobel reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/13z98ke/comment/jmqk0n1/?context=3

It's dead successonly.work

I also looked at monerojobs.com which was posted on Reddit, that on is dead too.

successonly.work rip

spirobel is alive

Good precident

plowsof11: That's ok, I just want to get some experience whether the proposal works out or not

plowsof11: He got mad after mordinals were curtailed though

spirobel is reinventing himself - he has found critical bugs in one of our in progress monero payment processors

Trying the same and expecting a different result

Price = 13k

asking the community to create successonly.work again when he's 'right there' i doubt will be popular

louissignet[m]: He also hates gays, black, people with aids, dogs, and combinations of the above

ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Trying the same and expecting a different result

> Price = 13k

I can lower it, I was not sure what price to use

Considering all previous atremptsfellflat / had no audience, id probably ask what you think about the bitejo stuff

Id support decentralizing or helping maintain or improve the bitejo suite

Since anark wont take our money 🤷‍♂️

ofrnxmr[m]: Yeah why? His job is clearly valued in the community. Why not CCS

dont ask me

He doesnt want money, fine. Im notofrnxmr then

Bitejo's code is low quality and sadly I have recently learned that the majority of web devs despise PHP, and the majority of PHP devs despise pure procedural code without OOP or frameworks... It would be better at this point for someone to either write something from scratch or adapt an existing framework or platform to accept Monero (e.g. find a Fiverr clone script and integrate Monero RPC). Bitejo's failure is mainly due to my lack o

and lack of marketing skills. Someone who is likeable and extroverted (like Doug or DrunkDialMe_ in Twitter) would have better success at finding users (a marketplace is only as good as its user base).

recanman: interested?

One sec, I was away.

No problem. Anarkiocrypto above is the developer of the bitejo suite which im referring to

Spirobel was looking for funding for his Monero projects, has experience in implementing Monero payments and is also a Node.js / JavaScript dev. So if Spirobel and Recanman would like to work together on the CCS, sharing the funds and dev work, it may be helpful.

I see that Bitejo is a marketplace?

anarkiocrypto[m]: spirobel also hates gays, black, people with aids, dogs, and combinations of the above

But if Recanman is more comfortable with solo dev, merge his CCS and let the market show its support.

This one? bitejo.com

You need an ounce of sanity before im going to fund your bullshit

ofrnxmr[m]: politics doesn't bother me

recanman[m]: Yes, and kuno.bitejo.com and anothrr

recanman[m]: Its not politics

I have personally never seen any racist or homophobic comments from Spirobel.

He left the community because we woukdnt fund a terribke ccs

anarkiocrypto[m]: He made them directly to me

Then blocked me

ofrnxmr[m]: This one is pretty nice. It's written in PHP?

he went through a phase posting around the internet fudding that he coukdnt get funding because people dont like him or centralizati(n or some other ridiculous nonsense

Oh

It is all procedural PHP... codeberg.org/anarkio/bitejo codeberg.org/anarkio/kuno codeberg.org/anarkio/vendo Bitejo has a jobs section since 2021, but no one uses it.

Then he went around taljing about how he doesnt have to come it irc/matrix to join dev conversations

/nicklist

Now he wants to come back

anarkiocrypto[m]: I've had my fair share of PHP

The past is the past. I dont care. But youre not coming back ON THAT SAME BULLSHIT

recanman[m]: I am up to rewriting it

either be professional or fuck off

This looks very hard to manage

plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org: meeting is this week right?

I program procedural PHP since 2008... sadly I have not become a professional in that time, still the same amateur skills since 2008...

recanman[m]: Even when you try to make a framework, it ends up disgusting

anarkiocrypto[m]: Oh

Would be great if you can help anark fix up / rewrite bitejo

Kuno needs more love

Well I guess we can see at the Community Workgroup meeting this week to see what will happen

Bitejo is my "hobbyist project". There is no "fixing up" really.

We do informal talk right now and all day

anarkiocrypto[m]: Is it foss enough to be.. taken over?

It would be better to code something from scratch or use an existing framework or Upwork/Fiverr clone. But the problem is not technical. The real difficulty is finding users, which requires social/people skills, marketing skills, advertising budget, customer support, someone who is prepared to mediate escrows or deal with scams, etc.

I'm not good at any at that

I'm only good at programming kek

* I'm only "good, * good" at

If someone wants to fork it to make a "community edition", they can. But I will continue to add things to my "hobbyist" version, although I didn't really add new features since its release in 2021.

Not bitejo problems

those are all "monero"problems

Remind me again okease... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…8f5eea62ed8fce426bb2f9c15389958220f>)

But it feels like there is no use to rewrite a simple CRUD procedural PHP website, if people don't like procedural PHP or any PHP at all. Better to write it in something popular like Node.js. Accounts, job listings, proposals, etc. are all simple CRUD. Monero RPC or Monero Blockchain API is easy to implement.

Its not about the backend, its about the suite

_____ - NSFW picture sets

You think you dont knkw what youre doing, but youre literalkt making software ive been needing for a long time

So.. keep it up pls

moneromarket dot io

plowsof11: Thats moneromarket.io or whatever

yeye^

It is 100% about the code. The code is the platform and the code is what makes it usable (sure, it is messy procedural PHP, but you can nevertheless make an account, list your product or make an order without issues, it is not nice to look at, but it works). Without the code, it is a vague idea and vaporware.

"does it work?"

anarkiocrypto[m]: Yes, that is in my proposal

Yes?

If that spirobel person and I work together or whatever is planned, I would prefer to do it in Node.js

Again, recan, whos's ccs is it?

but spirobel built the house already

The tech is only 50%. Other 50% is finding users. A platform could be technically perfect, but it can't help people to find jobs, if there are no job listings. This is the difficulty that I faced.

To be honest, I'm completely lost

Ill tel\ you right now, youre not getting oaid is spirobel decides to pull some nonsense

Ok

Youre acting professionally.

Spirobel acts emotionally, always.

I messaged Doug in case he could help (he has the marketing/social/etc. skills).

So I don't work with spirobel? Maybe I should leave this up to discussion by you guys, I am not used to working with others

Im not playing games with you two having a falling out over his duties or yours, or wanting to change milestones etc.

anarkiocrypto[m]: does he? 🫠

The last time we had a situation like this, we oaid the whiny bitch (mj) and left endor holding the bag

I think it would be good to find a marketing/outreach guy, so you could focus solely on the tech if that is what you are more comfortable with, and the marketing guy could focus on finding users, creating hype/interest, building a brand. And both of you could get paid by CCS.

ofrnxmr[m]: Holding which bag?

the rest of the ccs

anarkiocrypto[m]: Sounds good, I'm not sure who makes the decisions

ofrnxmr[m]: Sorry, what?

It ws mjs ccs. Endor was "allowed to work for him"

The payment?

Doug from MoneroTalk is great at onboarding people, educating merchants and customers about Monero, community building, etc. (all the things that I have no idea how to do).

Mj got paid in full after threatening kawsuits and spamming reddit with fud

Endor didnt get paid.

Endor now has to complete the ccs alone.

The soloptxmr ccs

Probably 2 years old now and a hidden 80%dev fee later

Oh, that makes a little more sense. So the point is to not involve people that you have described as emotional?

Proven* as unprofessional* and not apologetic about it

Like, spirobel has a previous ccs attempt.

He ran away, and now just wants to come back withiut any mention of it?

He needs to recognize that we DID NOT screw him

Oh, now I understand what you are saying.

I am not the one who makes decisions, I am just giving some ideas, as someone who was also working on a Monero marketplace (and was mentioned in the conversation before I arrived)... I'm not involved in the CCS process. I think people comment on it, then there is a Monero meeting every 2nd Saturday, then the people in the meeting decide to merge the CCS. After that, it seems like CCS are funded within days, then you can start working on

the CCS was bad. And we are happy to fund his viable ideas, his dev work

Not sending 2000 to some chick in afganistan and hoping for the best

Then when we refuse, he claims were racists and hate women in afganistan, bunch of westerners blah fkn blah

Gays, aids, black, i eat dogs bcuz a dog bit me muahhaa

Spirobel is the "chick" in Afghanistan?

Like bro. Chill. 2000 isnt saving anybidy

recanman[m]: No, he wanted to send money to a chick names "meena"

I am confused again, what are you saying??

ofrnxmr[m]: Oh ok

> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> No, he wanted to send money to a chick names "meena"

* Oh, ok

Who nobody had ever spoken to and would not join the convo

ccs to save the women of afganistan using $2000 usd. Lol?

You cant save a single mother for that much

ofrnxmr[m]: lamest ccs ever

Saving women? Are you using slang?

No, im seriousc.

Meanwhile hes developing a webwallet and wont ccs for it, because were racists or something

Emotional manipulative nonsense. Ive got no time for it

Oh, so he is trying to blame the result of the women CCS on you?

* on you, or the "we" that you describe?

No, not on me

On.. everyone

Dm'd monerobull to complain about thr downvote

Accused rottenwheel of abczmxyz

> 2000 isnt saving anybidy

$2000 is one year living costs for me (in EU)... And living costs are probably lower in Afghanistan. From what I have heard (may be ignorant), many women are forbidden from working, so any amount could genuinely help them.

Then said luigi blahblah

anarkiocrypto[m]: > <@anarkiocrypto:matrix.org> > 2000 isnt saving anybidy

>

> $2000 is one year living costs for me (in EU)... And living costs are probably lower in Afghanistan. From what I have heard (may be ignorant), many women are forbidden from working, so any amount could genuinely help them.

Lmao

In a cointry where the internet is controlled by taliban

And we dont have encrypted p2p

Okkkieeee

Lets rip the women

Brilliant

Ripping women? What??

ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> And we dont have encrypted p2p

we got the Tor proxy tho

RIP*

k4r4b3y[m]: I assumed that tor at the minimum would help with a bridge

k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> And we dont have encrypted p2p

> we got the Tor proxy tho

>

Works great when taliban turns off thr internet

It's really hard to censor the internet

Its really not

Guess I'm wrong, I don't knopw

Its hard to censor the internet in a "free cointry"

s/knopw/know/

There are people using Bitcoin in Cuba. I don't know about the exact situation in Afghanistan, but there are Afghan women who are using Twitter.

here is spirobels old proposal for those interested repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/282

Iran literally blocks all incoming por%s

ofrnxmr[m]: Oh

I don't know what can be done at that point

You can do direct download with a seedbox

recanman[m]: > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I don't know what can be done at that point

I2p maybe

Other than abstracting from IP and not using tcp/udp, I don't think that anything is possible

The internet itself is centralized. And its not possible to run a secret net without someone knowing your running a secret net

You want afganistan with 2000? You need to improvr monero first

k4r4b3y[m]: > <@k4r4b3y:karapara.net> > <@recanman:agoradesk.com> I don't know what can be done at that point

> I2p maybe

>

I2p is fackin broken

Monero impl*

ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social>

> I2p is fackin broken

broken in monero (for now).

And at the time tm

ofrnxmr[m]: In which sense is it centralized? Cloudflare controls 70%+, root-zone dns is ran by the root servers, what else?

Ie, dont get ahead of yourself

recanman[m]: Service providers?

CIA directly wiretaps most services

ofrnxmr[m]: Right, didn't think of that

The companies that run the riber optic cables across the ocean

I don't have enough money to run long fiber optics across oceans

Starlink

At&t does/did though

Citation needed

Maybe if all of "us" team up, we can do it ignoring international jurisdiction (if that exists)

I am joking, I don't think it is realistic

Damn near all of canada went down for days due to a "bug"

Taliban just flips the "bug" switch whenever they want

recanman[m]: Ccs? Lmao

Hah

If you can't get a local job, remote work can help a lot. And if there is someone who runs a Hawala network who also accepts crypto, maybe there is a way to cash out. Sure there may still be suspicion, and even with money, a landlord may refuse to rent to a single woman, but there may be people who can make it work. Instead of blanket saying "this isn't a perfect solution, so there is no point", at least make the solution known for peop

to use it in their situation.

It would be quite expensive considering fiber optics are $6+ per meter

s/6/4/

ofrnxmr[m]: explain. my wallet syncs and spends

Txproxy nodes when setup with tor and i2p will eventually stop broadcasting transactions

Is i2p udp?

plosof node has been one of feathers most problematic

Why? Because of i2p

I tried to get i2p working on my thinkpad t60 but I block all udp traffic and route all tcp over tor, maybe that is why it does not work

ofrnxmr[m]: "eventually"?

Yeah

meaning?

eventually

I want to run a public node but my isp only provides me 10mbps up

ive been using tor exclusively for over a year and its been fine

ofrnxmr[m]: so you have no answer

Meaning if you run a node with both, it will stop broadcasting transactions eventually. Could be hours, could be weeks

network rates can be limited uhm.. limit_up limit_down

Monero is a tool of the informal economy and its strength is that it makes global informal economies possible (which isn't possible with banking, credit cards or Paypal, unless you have good fake IDs). Provide the information, host the platforms, and people will use it if they want to. Don't gatekeep it or say "if you are in an authoritarian environment, you have already lost and Monero can't help you".

plowsof11: I wasn't sure how much would be enough

I was initially capped at 5mbps up when I considered running a node, maybe I should revisit it

if/when there are no i2p peers - tor/clearnet gets borked

The bug is that, even without outgoing i2p connections, you still have onions. It should usebthose, it doesnt. It thinks there are no connections when it loses i2p

And i2p doesnt go down, restarting monerod fixes it

even clearnet iirc >_<

because of the tx-proxy

* loses i2p's txproxy

aslong as you have out/in i2p peers in print_cn - my node in canada - fine.. the one in france for some reason barely gets any peers

Just ignores the fact that there is an onion txproxy. Sees that i2p is unreachable (false) and will error out

Bug 1. I2p is fine.

bug 2. There ARE connections to broadcast to, please use them

If you are excluded from 90% of solutions, you are thankful for the 10% that may possibly work. "Perfect is the enemy of good" and most people don't have the luxury to look for a "perfect" solution, but need to find something that works today, even if it may not work forever, even if there are roadblocks, even if they need to find "someone who knows someone" in order to cash out, it is better than nothing, which is often the alternative

Ok well, I will be at the next meeting so I can understand who I will work with if anyone if it ends up being approved, goodbye.

It's your choice, if you want to develop it solo or if you want to find a team (e.g. a marketer, another dev). It was simply a suggestion, in case it helps, but you can ignore it if solo dev is easier for you (I understand, it's easier for me too).

Its definitely your choice, your responsibility, your risk, your reward

For what it's worth, I support your CCS 100%, but can't personally afford to donate, and I'm not involved in the CCS process so I have no influence if it is merged or not.

we're all involved in the process 😄

<ofrnxmr[m]> "Meaning if you run a node with..." <- so just run them separately?

<plowsof11> "we're all involved in the..." <- we are all luigi

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "It's your choice, if you want to..." <- Oh, I did not understand that. I guess we will discuss it at the next meeting

Anarkio, procedural php is perfectly fine.

LevelsIO makes 100k mrr just creating single page php projects

The only important question is: doest it work or does it not?

It clearly works, so creating a CCS is a no-brainer.

Would you be able to tell me what is specifically bad about my code, e.g. codeberg.org/anarkio/vendo (the federation doesn't work, but that's because I didn't test or debug it yet)? People say it is bad or disgusting but no details why. Sadly I can't afford a code review. But is there something obviously bad that stands out?

I'll commit 1 XMR to it. Create a CSS about refactoring bitejo, kuno into production ready with a one-click docker instance.

That's a clearly defined goal oriented outcome. I'll support any effort to refactor your code into a easily installable deployment.

I don't have the skills to write professional/production/enterprise code. I am just a hobbyist who is trying to survive via informal freelance gigs because I can't get a regular job due to no ID.

I don't even know why my code is bad, just that it is bad.

Okey, then don't do it about 'refactoring' just do it about making a easy to install docker deployment.

But the code is objectively bad.

And I don't know how to write good code.

People say that it is "disgusting".

And I don't want to take money from people. I just want to do something useful.

<r4v3r23[m]1> "so just run them separately?" <- No, disable i2p since anonymous inbound is also broken

anarkiocrypto[m]: Okey since this seems to be your main issues. Rise funds to hire a professional php developer to clean up the code. You can focus on the UX and UI which by the way they look great.

s/issues/issue/

This is important work you are doing. You already took the lead. If you feel the code is not up-to par, then let's raise funds for a professional php refactoring + docker deployment. You can use it to hire or consult with somebody you consider a 'pro'

Professional PHP devs seem to despise procedural code, so they would probably just delete the code and start from scratch e.g. with Laravel.

And I really cannot judge the code. People say it is bad, but they don't say why it is bad. I don't have the skillset to determine what parts are bad, but don't know how to gain this skillset.

I don't want to manage money and I have zero social skills or connections to find anyone. If you really want to build something from Bitejo, instead of make a clean project from scratch, you can fork the code and make a CCS for this, independent of me.

<recanman[m]> "I wasn't sure how much would..." <- 25kbps is enough

For syncing. ^

for rpc, well, it depends how fast you want to allow downloading. 10mb/s is about the fastest i see when monitoring on mobile wallets.

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "Professional PHP devs seem to..." <- i'll be honest

php is objectively trash

i have some level of respect for php sure as it was my first serious language i learned and it was the language i used to make my first money online freelancing

but there are so many better choices nowadays i don't see why anyone is still using it

especially new projects, legacy i understand

everything in php is a hack and the syntax is horrible

I use procedural PHP because OOP and frameworks were difficult to understand in 2008 (need to look through 10+ files and directories to find out what $user->save() even does) and are still difficult to understand now. Whereas you can read procedural PHP easily, like a book, and make changes easily. I don't have "professional experience" because I can't get a "real job" due to no ID. I just do informal freelance gigs where I can find the

I have experience with Node.js but I dislike the 50+ dependencies, async, and again it is difficult to know what the code is actually doing, if it is in someone else's module which depends on another person's module. I would rather just take some hours to write it myself.

> need to look through 10+ files and directories to find out what $user->save() even does

you need to learn how to use an IDE lol, in most IDEs you just ctrl+click any method and it navigates to the file & line that method is in

I am not a good programmer and never claimed to be. Just trying to survive. Sadly I can't do construction or farm work due to health issues, was fired for restaurant and cleaning work due to being "slow" (no one mentioned anything before, I had no idea I was working badly), don't want to sell drugs, and there is no other work without ID available.

I use a regular text editor.

your code isn't horrible, if it works you're not a bad programmer

Yes it is embarrassing to fail so badly and not be able to survive in the real world. I was aware of this since I was a young child.

anarkiocrypto[m]: js is great, add typescript and it's amazing

Then why does everyone say my code is disgusting and I have never heard anything else? Example here: codeberg.org/anarkio/vendo

anarkiocrypto[m]: Don't be too harsh on yourself.

anarkiocrypto[m]: i'm the same, fuck the "real world", you just need to find something you're good at and do it your way without caring what others think

anarkiocrypto[m]: i read your code, that's why i said it's not that bad

i'll repeat what i said, if it works, you're not a bad programmer

Gotta write bad code before you learn leetcode

k4r4b3y - It was what people (adults and other kids) told me as a child, and today at almost 30 years old I am struggling to survive, was homeless on the streets before, and will likely be homeless again, as I struggle to learn any marketable skills, and even when I am blessed to find paid work, I struggle to complete the job due to low energy and feeling barely alive most of the time. This isn't intended to sound dramatic, just the tru

experience of multiple years of struggling.

just that switching to other languages will allow you to write much cleaner code. what makes a programmer good is his workflow

anarkiocrypto[m]: We are in similar situations of desperation friend, I'm a CompSci dropout, and now I'm brokedown from warehouse misery. Don't give up

> without caring what others think

Sadly it is necessary to care what employers think, otherwise there is no way to earn money for food and rent. And it seems like most employers despise procedural PHP, and somehow I was unaware of this for the past 10+ years...

naphtha[m]: for example. don't manually format your code, use something like prettier, set it to automatically format your code when you save. don't write your code in a text editor, use an IDE, it's very helpful even if it's "bloat"

anarkiocrypto[m]: > <@anarkiocrypto:matrix.org> > without caring what others think

>

> Sadly it is necessary to care what employers think, otherwise there is no way to earn money for food and rent. And it seems like most employers despise procedural PHP, and somehow I was unaware of this for the past 10+ years...

i don't think programmers that work for other people do themselves any justice

you're a programmer, you have the capabilities to write any program, any website, any service, at your fingertips. don't waste that skill to make someone else rich

I like to use 2 spaces, nice and simple. But it seems like the code logic / structure / contents of functions is the main issue, rather than the formatting. Someone once told me that my code looked "schizophrenic", whatever that means.

sure, you need money to pay for food and rent until you make any serious money doing this. there are plenty of remote jobs that, while paying like shit, will allow you to slack off most of the time and use the rest of your time to build your dream

not having id will make that harder though that's true

anarkiocrypto[m]: really doesn't look that bad to me

other than the fact that you hard code encryption keys lol

seriously speaking your code is a lot cleaner than what i've seen working as a corporate programmer

you separate your functions in multiple files, that's already better than most of the code i've seen

Who cares what people think. Just raise funds to continue working on this projects. You have nothing to lose. They look great already.

yeah your code is fine man trust me

My best paid jobs were related to gambling. First it was an ICO website in 2017, which earned the employer $800k~ in investments and I received $5k for this, which is around 2 years living costs, so I was very thankful and surprised. Second was a crypto gambling game, earned the employer $100k~ in profits but processed more money without any hacks, I received $2k for this and was very happy. But since I lost my long-term job last year (

covered my living costs and allowed me to build savings), I have been struggling, some months I don't earn anything, but I have low energy and even when I am lucky to have work, a 2 week project somehow stretches to 6 weeks and I feel like I am wasting the employer's time.

you write good

just that your language is holding you back

anarkiocrypto[m]: that's exactly what i was saying. you could've been the one earning that 800k, or at least a way bigger part of it than 5k

Low energy? Do you hate coffee?

did you like the projects you were working on when you felt you were wasting the employer's time? i'm guessing not. if that's the case, then it's normal to not care about the project and not have any motivation to work on it

Thanks for the feedback, it is the first time anyone has truly commented on my code (apart from saying "bad" but not providing any details). I struggle with OOP as it's difficult to get a clear picture of how the code works and to edit one thing, you need to edit 10+ files. Whereas procedural is more efficient and I can read the functions like a book from start to finish, rather than moving from file to file or even using grep.

oop isn't magic and it won't make your code cleaner if you just use it everywhere like some people do. procedural everywhere > oop everywhere

though it still isn't hard to use it if you use a proper ide

or vscodium

Neovim can act like vscodium these days, via the lua extensions, like LunarVim

I did like the projects, I care about all projects, but I am very slow. It isn't that I want to do something else (I am a recluse, I don't really have hobbies, and I urgently need to work to survive). I don't know what it is. I know how to code it, but it is sometimes overwhelming, although once I start, I enjoy writing the code and it becomes relaxing rather than stressful. I could get access to Ritalin without a prescription but it is

don't want to become dependent on it. Caffeine doesn't work for me, I just drink coffee for the taste and to enjoy a warm drink. I don't smoke tobacco or weed, don't drink alcohol and don't eat a lot of junk food, in case that means anything. I was just slow and tired since childhood.

I appreciate vim.

I guess Node.js is the most common nowadays but especially the async makes things difficult for me, even with promises and callbacks. Python is a nice language to use. But PHP is the language where I feel comfortable and could code any type of website with (even if people dislike how the code looks).

> you could've been the one earning that 800k

The issue is that the employers had the marketing and social skills, the funding, the business skills, etc. I have very poor social skills in real life and online and find it difficult to communicate with people. Most of the time people misunderstand me, or worse, consider me as rude or suspicious, even though I don't mean anything bad to anyone. Code is 50% of a successful product, but marketing and community is the other 50%.

Sorry to spam the Monero chat with my personal issues. I truly appreciate everyone's advice and patience.

Well I doubt you find social skills help in a chatroom lol but my experience developing social skills was hobby-based. I think everyone is basically depressed but hobbies/interests allow us to escape that and connect even if discussing different hobbies/goals/dreams

Fakeittilyoumakeeeeet

You like chess? Most hermits enjoy chess

The sad thing is where I live even gyms, libraries, volunteer work (e.g. cat shelter) and the equivalent of community college requires government ID. There is a hackerspace with meetups that I visit sometimes when I go to the city (I live in a village) but I just like to sit and listen (not in a creepy way, I just don't have anything to say).

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "> you could've been the one..." <- > <@anarkiocrypto:matrix.org> > you could've been the one earning that 800k

>

> The issue is that the employers had the marketing and social skills, the funding, the business skills, etc. I have very poor social skills in real life and online and find it difficult to communicate with people. Most of the time people misunderstand me, or worse, consider me as rude or suspicious, even though I don't mean anything bad to anyone. Code is 50% of a successful product, but marketing and community is the other 50%.

then you could've gotten 50% of that 800k 😺 or at least something more than just 5k

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "I guess Node.js is the most..." <- tbh first time i used promises it was hard for me as well but you pick it up real quick once you understand some things

99% of cases you just use someone else's promises, in that case you just make an async function and use await before every async call

just 2 things you have to change

if you ever used node.js callbacks, it's literally the exact same thing just with a much cleaner syntax

Wow all of this programming stuff seems super complicated

skooner[m]: Programming is, to a significant degree, managing complexity.

When will you guys make AI? I want a robo-butler

Roomba just isn't cutting it anymore

You need a Roomba with a claymore attached to it.

robo-security

A claymore is an axe thingy right?

no

There are two types of claymores, generally:

1. a Scottish sword

2. an anti-personnel mine

There's also an anime called Claymore.

Is it good?

It's pretty decent.

skooner[m]: It's pretty much just an explosive

recanman[m]: I meant the anime

I don't know much about history or about Japanese cartoons, sorry.

s/history or about//

Anime is not cartoons

It is art

some is art

some is crap

like any medium, quality varies

I like watching old anime

Old cartoons too honestly

The stuff these days is crap

I do occasionally consume television as a way to treat myself, and I would agree with your point. Newer media includes a lot of political messaging, while the older usually is much more subtle.

just for the sake of completeness:

recanman[m]: That seems mostly true, although there was Captain Planet and, before that, some of those public service messages at the end of GI Joe cartoons.

Homophones, funny!

homonyms, even

I need a logo for a business that provides consulting/training services related to firearms, privacy, and some other stuff, and accepts Monero in payment for goods and services.

cant you use some kind of AI to generate that?

great_taste: good question, I'll ask the missus (who deals more with those AI things than I)

Even if I get something from an AI, though, I'll need to get someone with some vector illustration skills to finish the job. Damn.

anarkiocrypto: have you at least been receiving donations for your work? Like people voluntarily sending

people offered several times

but his imposter syndrome prevents him from accepting any donations

just send it lol

not like he can refund it

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "And I don't want to take money..." <- Doing something useful is easier if you have some funds to work with

He refuses to post any address, or if he does its someone else's public donation address

naphtha[m]: You VILL tale donations

* You VILL take donations

send him the private keys to an address you sent your donation to

🧠

k4r4b3y[m]: and you VILL be happy

I did refund donations once. I am not here to scam anyone or beg or be a burden. I just want to try to survive via supporting crypto circular economies (cash in hand gray markets are decreasing and everything is becoming more difficult, but crypto circular economies could help).

its not a scam if its a donation

This isn't a "long con" or "grift". In the past, people have accused me of many things: liar, scammer, fugitive, illegal, paranoid schizophrenic, sociopath, spy, dangerous, etc. I am just trying to be peaceful and try to contribute with the limited skills and resources that I have. It seems only the Monero, Bitcoin and agorism communities have tolerated me in the long-term (or appear to tolerate me, I can't read social cues well).

you already delivered

I am not here to enrich myself with a sob story or emotionally manipulate anyone. I just want to support Monero and free markets.

I'm sorry for monopolizing the Monero chatroom today. Thanks for your comments and kind words.

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "The sad thing is where I live..." <- in south america you could buy citizenship for enough xmr

if you have the money

All the Flag Theory strategies I have seen requires an existing passport, national ID card or birth certificate.

I read the transcript of Pavol's Monerokon talk and those strategies also required an existing passport.

But I don't want to spam this chatroom further. Maybe there is somewhere else if anyone wants to discuss. I am surprised no mods have come here yet to bring it back on topic.

There is : #monero-offtopic:monero.social

s///

Dictator moderator 

It isn't necessarily off-topic, there is also #monero-markets:monero.social

Ban them!

off with their heads

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "I am not here to enrich myself..." <- We also want to support Monero and free markets. But how can we support those initiatives if you refuse to accept donations? You won't get rich from voluntary supporters yet you would allow people to support those same ideals

pls respect anarkios wishes of not wanting to be the centre of attention / pressing the donation topic

<anarkiocrypto[m]> "I am not here to enrich myself..." <- You need to stop thinking about donations as some sort of weird pity exploiting scheme and start thinking about them as a fair, decentralized salary for the job you're doing.

plowsof11: understandable

> <@plowsof:matrix.org> pls respect anarkios wishes of not wanting to be the centre of attention / pressing the donation topic

* understandable, okey.

Yeah, sorry.

whos sgp

spaceghostpurrp?

he played minecraft on his samsung galaxy

SamsungGalaxyPlayer

next trivia question (lets all try and answer the next one)

chief keef needa hurry up and drop almighty so 2

so much this