Oh yeah, super decentralized...

Whats the meme? "the most decentralized censorship-resistance network"

Very compatible with public companies owning the majority of the hashrate.

LMAO Riot VP didn't like it

Lmao

"Humans" my ass. More like corporations own like 99.8%

I guess corporations are people too #identifyas

ofrnxmr[m]: Pretty much, under US law at least.

What a time to be alive.

Reminds me of Voltaire: "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: Oh Lord, make my enemies ridiculous. And God granted it."

Humans owning the hashrate is only "truer" in Monero

1 CPU = 1 VOTE

100% is false for monero too

see use of "truer"

In my mind is all about barriers of entry. CPU > GPU > ASIC > 32 ETH

32 eth when?

<louissignet[m]> "Screenshot 2023-07-08 at 2.56.49..." <- jesus

Validator for Ethereum requirements

Stake minimum

32 eth pre 2020 was easier than asic btc

10.5 what????

Sure but right now thats more expensive than setting up an ASIC

louissignet[m]: Yaya i know

10.5 quintillion hashes a second thats 10,500,000 TH

monero has 2.36 GH right now

though im sure randomx is a lot harder

Im saying "now" thats not even a subject, "then" eth was asic an gpu mined

naphtha[m]: 2.36 👀

if you go even further back the barrier of entry is basically 0 for the premine participants

282g difficulty

but for humans today, that's the entry costs

Gotchac youre referring to entry costs of each tier

correct

CPU being the most equitable

10.5 quintillion sha256 hashes a second

bitcoin isnt what concerns me here

Depends if people use em. In any case, there are asic mined or proof of stake chains that are "100%" human owned

how fast can you bruteforce a password?

1234

broken

I use my seed as my passwordv everywhere

naphtha[m]: They don't even need to find it. At that speed they can probably find a matching collision.

found me?

We need more quintillion per seconds for that

I have yet to find myself

36 possible characters thats lowercase letters and numbers

of course thats assuming theyre encrypted with sha256

which isnt realistic

* encrypted with double sha256

monerosisters....i dont feel so good...

<naphtha[m]> "of course thats assuming..." <- Hashing is not encryption btw

And sha256's speed is exactly the reason why it's not (supposed to be) used as a hashing algo to store passwords

You want something heavy enough that it can't be easily bruteforced, but still light enough that you can handle tons of requests/s (for large websites)

This all bitcoin mining thing will not end well

Not for btc

Not even sure

s/all/whole/

Hey everyone

I have a question regarding downloading the Monero blockchain, how long does it usually take to download it fully?

depends

how long is a piece of string?

if you put it on an ssd it will be fast

XMRBABY678: Download?

Or verify?

Download = however long it takes to download 160gb

naphtha[m], I am downloading it from an Hard Drive ahahah it might take awhile

yeah it will take a couple days on an hdd

if you mean syncing and not just downloading

ofrnxmr[m], Hopefully i'm patient enough to let it download it's just the data on my internet that can take a toll on me xD

naphtha[m]: Or weeks

How long have you guys been on XMR?

First day

Back from the future

Thoughts on buying monero via cakewallet with my credit card

<ofrnxmr[m]> "First day" <- same

you were there too at the fbi headquarters?

or do you mean the "public" launch

Cia

Remember when i said yesterday its annoying when you say use local monero and they responded its kyc

ah yeah i remember now

you hosted the launch at your place

Question is automation of payments possible? And Is there a privacy risk to automate payments to donations addresses even if they come from a new sub address every time? Also If a list of donation/payment addresses and payment addresses where made that keep track of projects, organisations, and companies addresses that could be hosted and then downloaded by everyone to use would it introduce any risks to the "Users" aka donators/customers?

sure its possible

Alright has anyone succeeded with it? Is there maybe a FOSS or Opensource project that has done the basics?

Is there anyway to automate buying XMR?

Like sub wallet?

<RymdLord[m]> "Alright has anyone succeeded..." <- where do you want to send to? and when? youre being vague

s/when/how often/

RymdLord[m]: if you use kraken yes

What part am I being vague about? Ok I will look into kraken! I just want to try to make it easier to be a FOSS dev and live of it!

<RymdLord[m]> "What part am I being vague about..." <- the basic way of sending payments is by using monero-wallet-rpc and sending the payment through that, doing all the logic yourself

but depending on your use case there might be an existing implementation for the logic

what are you trying to accomplish exactly?

You put monero in a wallet that knows what projects you use and how much you use them and has it locally or stores it on a self hosted central point and then auto donates a % of what is in that wallet to the projects and that % is based of % of usage.

<RymdLord[m]> "You put monero in a wallet..." <- how would you know how much the project is used? web extension? what if its a native app?

what if its something you keep open constantly instead of closing after you use it?

<RymdLord[m]> "Alright has anyone succeeded..." <- Brave

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Federated monero communities on hidden services kinda crazy

<luks2[m]> "Federated monero communities..." <- Y

ofrnxmr[m]: 4chan crowd

simplex might work for that

<luks2[m]> "Federated monero communities..." <- For this

ofrnxmr[m]: The amount of algebra that went through my head when you typed 'simplex' is grotesque.

So many matrices.

Math flashbacks are something else =P

<Torr> "Math flashbacks are something..." <- thats why i dropped out of high school

Lol

With reason. High school is crime.

a* crime

huh? how is it a crime?

it teaches retards standard operating procedure. very helpful

you were probably below retardation levels, that's why you don't like it

oof

Pretty much how they reason.

<woollyrhino> "it teaches retards standard..." <- maybe in america

you don't know how bad balkan ex-commie countries' education system is

yeah i have no clue. how bad is it? they didn't teach you guys math and biology?

its not bad in that sense

in what sense is it bad?

if you think learning tons of useless bullshit like math or biology is good then yeah the system is very good

it doesn't teach you actual, real, useful life skills

it teaches you to be a communist slave

it teaches you to interact with your peers

just by virtue of bringing you together

even after 33 years of """""democracy"""""

woollyrhino: that is true

jail teaches you to interact with others too

very well in fact

will you go to jail tomorrow?

i don't know about that, jail is very pre-selective of certain traits. so yeah, it teaches you how to interact with people that rank high in dark triad scores

naphtha[m]: Bingo!

plowsof: Important question:

Are you ofrnxmr or not?

he is

hating ass nigga

would do anything to keep a young black entrepreneur down

Well, he gets two votes!

naphtha[m]: Would you like some affirmative action?

im not answering any questions at this time without my legal representative present

One up and 1 down

of course

hmph.... kittens.... you're making daddy mad..... you wont like me when im angry....

naphtha[m]: What? There are no cats here!

i thought we wuz tight recanman.... if thats even your real name

😿

naphtha[m]: I don't understand your use of slang, but no, recanman is not my "legal" name

translation: I was assuming we were friendly towards eachother, like the gentlemen we are.

I am friendly towards as many people as I able to be, as long as they do not (attempt to) hurt me in a sense that would compromise my threat model

My name is very generic thankfully, so revealing it would not do much.

aha i see then we cool? the real name thing was a joke

We were always 'cool' (if you mean not in a conflict against each other), I don't understand what you mean

* you mean.

I will leave, goodbyr.

s/goodbyr/goodbye/

ah ok i probably misunderstood

i was going to say something but i dont want to be jannied

naphtha final warning for terms of service violations libera.chat/policies

call 911

<plowsof11> "im not answering any questions..." <- Here now

Why does `monerod --data-dir a_directory` output the help text?

Syntax

got it. I did not try that even though the man page had =/whatever, because it said first `--data-dir arg`

changing to --data-dir=/whatever did not fix

wait nvm---that is from the config file

i was trying to do an inline argument

-- isnt needd from config

Is needed from command line

--data-dir=path/to/.bitmonero

yes, i am doing command line. i just changed it to that. surely it doesn't need to be a hidden dir?

<jonathan_doe> "Why does `monerod --data-dir..." <- Typos?

jonathan_doe: No, it doesnt need to be hidden

Interestingly, it looks by default in the data dir for the config, so it may make most sense to alias the data dir rather than config dir

I just use --config-file=path

i realize the problem now---I already sourced an alias so it was verbosely doing two different --data-dir options

i have opened a new shell with my old option commented out

Perfect

when i last opened monerod it filled up my hard drive, then the ssd i wanted to move it to stopped showing up (I recall getting errors in the past about using rotating disks, perhaps in the wallet client, but I will try it now anyway)

thank you

there is a paid support plan in #monero-support:monero.social

for next time

0 xmr is required

<jonathan_doe> "when i last opened monerod it..." <- damn two of us in a day...

solar flares

gucci mane la flare

hello

why is monerod extremely slow to sync once it reaches 80%? It sync'd 1800 blocks in 1 minute

later blocks have more data, I always thought

guess how many people where using it then

yea but it's been 5 hours on 12MB/s aka 100Mbit/s. The blockchain is like 130GB large which should take roughly 3 hours at worst. Sorry I am just trying to get to the bottom of this

I guessed 130 due to previous amount + percentage left. Given that the new blocks contain more data, I will be wrong

ssd?

DanrdarkIsnotthe: m.2 nvme ssd

right now the database file is at 104GB (GiB to be exact)

My understanding is that the node won't bother to download too many blocks in advance of the latest one that it has currently verified, in case one of those blocks turns out to be invalid, meaning all the subsequent download work will have been in vain.

JivanPal[m]: Is there anything I can do to speed up this process? Sorry for taking everyone's time, almost done

In general, no; your node must verify that teach transaction in each block is valid, else it has no way of knowing/guaranteeing that the consensus rules you wish to enforce are being followed.

s/teach/each/

It's just dependent on your processing speed, really.

JivanPal[m]: thank you very much, last last question I promise I won't keep poking after this, how much bandwith should you expect running monerod 24/7 for a month? I have to kind of guess whether 10 TB per month would be enough for the daemon each month.

tux: I couldn't give you estimated/exact figures, but even 1TB in/out per month is definitely way more than enough.

JivanPal[m]: thank you so much, very much appreciated. I hope you have an amazing rest of your weekend, thanks again for answering my questions (:

Transaction data alone is probably about 16GB/mth (based on number of transactions over last 12 months, and average transaction size of 13KiB)