<louissignet[m]> "This man just went full statecoi..." <- Lmaowhat?

JUST?!

welcome to 2016/17?

Go search at fluffypony's twitter for vitalik, or vitalik for fluffypony. Vitalik has been a scammer since he printed eth

The messiah

puppet dictator vitalik

does anyone believe that miners agreed to the move to POS

ofrnxmr[m]: but vital guy is a genius, they said so

Cuz hes skinny

he is just trying to donate all the ETH to the goverment, his genoristy knows no bounds

His head looks big

nums[m]: Shiba ftw

Billions laundered to india

No wuestions asked

Hugescamatarian

100% premine

s/genoristy/generosity/

The OG

First they make it extremely expensive to use

They they scam the miners :D

And people still transact stablecoins on that thing...

Eth being "good" is a joke.

the original idea, some software built on it,sure.

the foundation - eth - is questionable, at best

Even dai is is partially backed by eth and stables. The whole chain is half assed

..on purpose

Eth had potential

Greed say "fk that, lets get rich quik"

TRX is fine for stables.

Work see better, faster, and at a fraction of the cost...

Yet people still use ETH...

It's like the same problem as BTC

100% premine, deflayionaty, pumped to 30k to run a node/validator

Talk about "were all just consumers now"

what about binance smart chain? are the funds safu?

spirobel[m]: If you are using it for stable you waste money in fees

Shitty systems can have strong network effects. Look at dollar.

Eth securities when

Yeah, the network effect help a lot.

also that they where the #first in the category

first does not mean better but they stick mostly to that

We don't even know what append to Satoshi

They continue absorbing all their competitors in the same cateogry. Network effects just continue growing

What if he only consider that as pension fund for himself in 30 years :D

The same applies to Monero is you consider "privacy" a category. Every competitor privacy chain eventually will lose all their users to Monero.

and using already a ton he probably mined with other systems

At least Monero do it better and better

Where all satoshi 

Unless your craig wrong

BTC and ETH network, mostly, get less usable with time and usage (With ETH that will eventually improve, wait and see)

Monero will only be more network/storage intensive... But in the same time storage is cheap so

I only see 3 categories. Dumb Chains, Smart Chains and Private Chains.

It's a winner take all for each category

#first don't mean it have to be the best, bit it can be the best

If bitcoin did stick to plan, it would have been more usable for sure

does anyone have experience with P2Pool/ I am mostly wondering if there are currently enough participants to make it an attractive option.

s///?/

<louissignet[m]> "They continue absorbing all..." <- Competitors? Rof

<louissignet[m]> "The same applies to Monero is..." <- I dont

Private chains = cryptoCURRENCY

The rest are just pet rocks and pryamid schemes

I don't disagree naturally. I just point out what most of the world sees.

nums[m]: That metric makes no sense

louissignet[m]: I dont care what pplwatch on tv

I dont have tv

ofrnxmr[m]: ah?

It's an observation of the market. Can't deny reality with numbers.

nums[m]: Enough participants

louissignet[m]: Yee you can

Its cslled 100x futures

100% premine

Staking / no circulating supply

= fake numbers

Monero no cex = no 100x futures

No pos = no artificial supplysqueeze

ofrnxmr[m]: I must have misunderstood how it works I will research it properly tomorrow

Its more about your personal hashrate

And whether to mine on mini or main

Ideally you just want the pool to find blocks regularly within thepplns widows, so that you can get paid for all of your shares

ofrnxmr[m]: My assumption was that if my hash rate is very low and I am the only one in the pool the chance that there will be a payout at some point is close to zero. But with more participants I would see at least some returns?

and to have enough hr to get a large enough % of the block

nums[m]: Mini and main find more than enough blocks

Thats long not been a concern.

if you spin up a custom p2pool pool, youll be alone

p2pool.observer

* p2pool.observer

ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> Thats long not been a concern.

> if you spin up a custom p2pool pool, youll be alone

great that's more encouraging than I had expected

You can see blocks mined, miners etc at these links

<RavFX[m]> "If you are using it for stable..." <- so TRX is cheaper in transaction fees than binance smart chain?

.network

<nums[m]> "My assumption was that if my..." <- If you are the only miner in a pool, then you are effectively mining solo. The average income over time is always the same, but solo mining has the greatest variance (ie "all or nothing", with long intervals of nothing and one big payout at some point)

big payout is 0.6 XMR, or $100 right now

it depends on hashrate. If someone has rigs that total around $2-3/day, it's not so impossible to mine solo and wait 30-50 days on average for a block

My rule of thumb for a "bare minimum" solo miner is to find at least 2 blocks/month on average - which currently requires ~250 kH/s. Both existing p2pools have way more than that

price, network hashrate and block reward have been stable for more than a year now, so variance can average out

yeah, I still wouldn't mine solo even with 250 kh/s. P2Pool is much better at providing stable payouts.

but some people like solo for it being a "lottery"

What is a good HDD speed for syncing the Monero blockchain locally?

HDDs are trash because of their terrible random IO performance

I have a 24-hdd array in 4vdev raidz2, and i have very high read speeds but not very high write speeds

As far as I know people more or less gave up on HDD for syncing Monero from scratch: It's slow anyway, whatever HDD you may have

the shittiest SSD will outperform the best HDD

rbrunner: I have the blockchain on an ssd for a personal computer

I was thinking of putting it on my servers so I could run a Monero node publicly instead of privately

A 1TB m.2 SSD is regularly available for 40€ these days

If I copy it there, would it be able to keep up adequately?

If you can copy it over, no problem then, because even slow HDDs will be fast enough to stay in sync and just take in new blocks

I willing to buy a 500gb used SAS ssd

rbrunner: Oh, ok, great. It's just the initial sync which is the problem?

if you want to offer it publically as as a service, using HDDs is still a bad idea

Define "problem". If you can wait a few days, it's not :)

more like a week to sync on HDD

Believe me, I tried

raid doesn't help, because it's limited by random access time

Oh

15k RPM SAS drives will be faster, but any SSD will be much much faster

recanman[m]: I will probably buy one on ebay, just not sure where to place it 😅

sech1: mine are 10k 12tb sas

> <@sech1:libera.chat> 15k RPM SAS drives will be faster, but any SSD will be much much faster

* Mine are 10k 12tb sas, not sure if that helps

just sync on any ssd, even on your laptop and then copy it over to your raid array

Isn't SAS supposed to be better at random access, or is that something I don't remember correctly?

it will be faster

Will I have to do that multiple times or just once?

just once, after that you can run it on HDD

it will keep up just fine

I'd rather just sync it from the network/my node, then leave it running publicly

but it will still be very bad to sync wallets from

sech1: Great, thanks. If it doesn't work I'll buy an SSD.

I tried that too

in the end, I just stopped running a node on HDD

I might be back home in another few months, if so, then I will try this

because it can keep up, but is otherwise unusable

even single wallet syncing makes the server grind to a halt

and syncing is very slow

The Monero official wallet software (cli/gui) use uPnP to open the port, right?

Maybe that changed now with bigger blocks and bigger rings. A few years ago that used to work reasonably ...

Something like this will work? ebay.com/itm/274757828187

the main thing you need is random read iops

I don't know too much about benchmarking storage mediums

recanman[m]: I assume something like this will work, its 12gbps and it is an ssd

just look at the spec sheet, bigger number go brrr

>the shittiest SSD will outperform the best HDD

Ok, thanks

Spec sheet says:

• 1100MB/s / 700MB/s sequential R/W

• 130K / 30K IOPS random R/W

• 50K IOPS on 70/30 mix R/W

Syncing requires mostly random reads

yes that would work. If you have an m.2 slot, the evo 970 plus would be a better deal though: amazon.com//dp/B07MBQPQ62... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…83a237a37e26cc3fe4df367ee96e688da45>)

i have one of those as my main drives

was like 120€ back then

s/then/when i got it/

How will i have redundancy now without raid! 

a blockchain is a raid 0 with 10000+ copies

s/0/1/

But i want 110% node uptime

<monerobull[m]> "was like 120€ back then" <- I also got one for around 100 usd three years ago

<ceetee[m]> "yes that would work. If you have..." <- > <@ctrej:matrix.org> yes that would work. If you have an m.2 slot, the evo 970 plus would be a better deal though: amazon.com//dp/B07MBQPQ62... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…48cf823e3ed052fdba498d79240ba2492f3>)

There are PCIe slots

Doesn't seem that there is M.2 unfortunately

You could get an adapter like this: amazon.com//dp/B0BRV8FWMB

should work out of the box, but I never used one

M.2 slots (m key, those for nvme ssds) use 4 PCIe lanes

Tbh I would rather buy another NetApp DS4246 and then just buy a large lot of used SAS ssds, put them in there on zfs

* on zfs, then daisy chain it to the other ds4246

I'm beginning to run out of storage anyway

I may be off topic

* off topic, but I just like storage

I'm not familiar with server hardware, I just know good bang per buck in the consumer space

I've never bought SSDs other than the one that I have, but used enterprise server hardware is usually much cheaper

I got 12x3tb for $180, and they had low hours + passed smart tests. Been running them for two years, they are very nice.

Albeit I won a bit at the last second, so it isn't really a good benchmark.

s/smart/all/

s/smart/all/, s/bit/bid/

I just like servers, a lot. I like to talk about them.

<spirobel[m]> "so TRX is cheaper in transaction..." <- When stablecoins are involved, TRX seam to be the best choice yes.

Monero.town down?. Tried to signup, now get "502 Bad Gateway"

yeah i get the same message

lemmy process probably crashed

anyone here on mastodon/oma/key/etc? i want to follow more people

s////_\/, s////_\/

how tf do you bypass formatting

s////_**/, s//key//**_key/

s////****/, s////****/

s////∗/, s////∗/

aha

You should see how this orgy of corrections look on IRC ...

lmao i forgot irc doesnt have editing

sorry

Monero.town is back again, just signed up.

naphtha: You can follow me on the fediverse at pleroma.rucknium.me/Rucknium

<Rucknium[m]> "naphtha: You can follow me on..." <- followed 👍️

hi

how  monero mining is connected with cpu core

for example 80 intel xeon cores gives 0.05 monero daily

That's a lot!

I usually got 50 cents worth of xmr with my Ryzen 5800 and another cheaper ryzen

0.0596219

in one month

e7-4870

4

p2pool

no solo

is 64 gb i have 426

ah here is the full overview xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=Intel%28R%2…7-+4870+%40+2.40GHz&bench_id=6MBRai i believe

a price/hashrate ratio for that site would be nice

how much hashrate do you have Guest14 ?

10000

<naphtha[m]> "a price/hashrate ratio for..." <- what price do you consider? launch? msrp? current retail? used? from which vendor/source?

Guest14: KHs?

ebay

used

merope: if i were to code it i would scrape marketplaces such as ebay/whatever

Guest14: 10000 isnt of much help, is it hashes per second, kilo hashes, mega hashes?

h/s

10000 H/s => 0.001934 XMR/day, 0.319 $/day

right now

(before electricity)

how u did that

there are mining profit calculators

some good link

actually, thats a bad one

This might be interesting: ploum.net/2023-06-23-how-to-kill-decentralised-networks.html

title is misleading

youre not "killing" decentralised networks by adopting them and then leaving them

xmpp is still popular with the userbase that was actually interested in using it in the first place, so is samba, so is....uhh...everything else?

I think people would rather not federate with meta because it's lotsa cancer there

i dont like this victim mentality in the open source community

Siren[m]: i cant even federate with threads

i dont know how to

Being in Threads is Proof-Of-NPC

i cant even access the site now that i try lol

its just a redirect loop

big corpos really build the most dogshit software

Facts

trimmed the url so its not a wall of text but it goes on like this forever

until the browser stops it

somehow, the only good software fagman ever makes is open source

facebook with react, microsoft with typescript

Who is fagman?

facebook, apple, google, microsoft, amazon, netflix

kek

I'm happy to say that I do not use any of those.

I block all of those and much more, but many sites break for me.

i use instagram to talk with my normie friends

but thats pretty much it

Isn't a problem for me, I don't have JS on lol

* on lol. Sites that load things from 'fagman' often use JS.

most sites with good ux use js tbh

its really hard to build a good experience without js

recanman[m]: If I really need it, I enable LibreJS, but nothing else.

Usually the site still breaks 😅

I would be fine with js as long as it is not used to identify anyone.

* fine with client-side js as

what i would like is an extension that allows you to audit every script before it's loaded and whitelist the hash of the script

For effects and whatnot

naphtha[m]: That wouldn't be too hard to make. What about minified JS files?

naphtha[m]: with a rudimentary analysis of what features the script uses that could be bad for privacy and security, such as eval, accessing the screen size, available fonts, etc. if i were to make this i would start with creepjs since it's open source and very good at fingerprinting, see what features it uses

recanman[m]: wouldnt be an issue

naphtha[m]: LibreJS does this.

unless you mean obfuscated in which case you would need a more complex dynamic analysis during runtime

recanman[m]: really? i thought it just checked the license

naphtha[m]: Also that

I mean webpack

* I mean initially webpack

naphtha[m]: It does both

It calls javascript that is fine 'trivial javascript'. Otherwise it blocks it.

I am running it on Parabola Iceweasel, and it is very nice and convenient.

seems like its pretty dumb

Well, I guess this is what you call "free software extremism"

and doesnt actually do any analysis

naphtha[m]: It's pretty hard to do that.

recanman[m]: It 'just werks' for me

recanman[m]: of course, im aware. still not impossible

naphtha[m]: I guess so. GNU and FSF are so overloaded and kind-of unorganized. It is hard for them to maintain all of this.

with the complexity of js engines nowadays it would be very, very hard to fully bypass fingerprinting, but the situation could be made a little better still

considering even the ORDER of your http headers can be used to fingerprint you, and that doesn't even require js

naphtha[m]: What?!

<naphtha[m]> "title is misleading" <- i don't think so. leverage an existing organic network to make your service interesting to users, and once your share of the network goes large enough (companies can afford marketing) you close it down again and take the network effect with you

recanman[m]: lol obviously it's not a way to individually uniquely fingerprint a large number of users but it still could be used as a parameter

* a parameter for the fingerprint

naphtha[m]: I pass all of this

My threat model is very strict, took me months to harden everything, browser was last

HTTP header order though, how stupid is that?!

ceetee[m]: yes, but it was the company that brought the new, normie users. the users that used the platform in the first place will still use it after the company leaves

recanman[m]: scraping and trying to bypass very well funded bot protection systems such as datadome or imperva is a very fun and interesting activity

its how i got started doing freelance work a couple years back

It made it accessible to normie friends. Imagine convincing them to join, because now it is easy, and they did, and now you are the asshole which can be contacted anymore

I like this image

right, but thats why i keep my normie life and autistic online life separate

recanman[m]: fr

Also it doesn’t matter it’s federated if the feed algorithm is closed source and not changeable. Users in threads will never see anything not deemed “okey”

naphtha[m]: haha same

naphtha[m]: I am not as conventionally attractive as that, but scraping is the main reason why I am running out of storage on my 288tb raw/192tb usable

damn thats crazy

what do you even scrape

As much as I can

I crawl everything

I organize it

manually??

No

With a few tools

Here is one that I use archivebox.io

aha

My final goal is to train LLMs, but I'm still learning

* still learning. I don't understand that stuff too much.

recanman: how much did your hhds cost

they are 24x12tb used sas hard drives, they were around $14 per tb

They had low hours and passed badblocks, good enough for me. Been using them for around a year and a half or so

recanman[m]: This was on ebay, the seller was hdda_to_z or something like that

s/hdda_to_z/hdd_a\_to\_z/

do you want to host watchparty.me 👉👈

or a jellyfin instance

I already host a Jellyfin instance

probably bigger selection than netflix

I don't consume too much hollywood goyslop, but my family likes it. I have around 30tb or so.

It's all 1080p/4k with some 720p mixed in, I'm around the same amount as netflix.

s/./, but there are people who have hundreds of tbs/

I have around 40tb total I think.

It doesn't handle transcoding too well because these are poweredge r620 servers and the cpus are around 10 years old, so I allocated 10 vcpus to the vm

i have never even seen a 1400p 140hz torrent 😿

Neither have I

Problem is that I have 10mbps upload and 400mbps download

i have 10 up on a good day and 50 down :,)

I run a tor bridge that gives 1mbps and a bunch of alternate frontends (libreddit, whatnot), but seeding is something doesn't work too well

i give 70% of my up to i2p and the rest to my monero node

If my situation clears and I can go home, then I will run a monero node

TLS handshake takes 5 minutes from where I am to my house on wireguard

Can't access anything

* monero node. I have to buy an SSD though

first thing i do when i get to work is remote into my machine via rustdesk

Is it written in Rust?

It seems so

yeah, its in the name lmao

recanman[m]: What do you mean by the emoji that you gave to my message?

probably that you dont have a ssd in the year of our lord 2023

recanman[m]: oh i wanted to give it to the 5 minute handshake sorry

I mean for the servers

storage shaming

Storage discrimination, I need reparations immediately!

oh my science

hdds are just as valid as other storage methods!

I have never heard someone use the word 'chud' in person

This is quite humorous.

its really fuckin funny

that people like this actually exist

I do agree.

I read somewhere that 80% of people do not have an inner monologue, I disagree with that statement, but I believe that maybe it means that most people don't really critically think.

recanman[m]: no fucking way its that high

20-30% i could believe but not 80

Probably a lie, that is why I said that I do not agree.

Maybe the poster was trying to signify that 68.2% of the population (iq bell curve) do not think critically.

usually these people think too emotionally

Emotion is by definition not thinking

because of everything nowadays having endocrine disrupting chemicals

they think like women

IM NOT SAYING ITS RIGHT IM NOT A CHUD I SWEAR

but theres a reason why women couldnt vote

Monero Offtopic

While I would not like to confirm/deny any biases that I have because these chats are logged, I do agree that the chemicals that they put in the food of what the 'normal' people eat do disrupt their thinking.

all this time talking and we could have been learning about recanmans ccs proposal

oh well

plowsof11: What would you like to know?

I assume that the decision will be made tomorrow, but if you have any questions, go ahead.

i can't remember anymore

Recan, can you post the link

Otherwise ill take a look later

Are you ableto finish in less time?

Sure.

I gave myself an extra month because I don't want to deliver late.

I can also increase the amount I work per week.

Right. 6 months really means 12

Why is that?

Juse ask plowsof @plowsof:matrix.org:

You are the same people, no?

This guy doesnt know how to collect a milestone

In reality, I will work more per week, but I do not want to propose too much.

* In reality, I will work triple the time per week, but I do not want to propose too much.

Yeah, im ofrnxmr, not collctingxmr

I've just been working on a hobby project, I want to do something useful.

s/collctingxmr/collctnxmr/

recanman[m]: Theres a saying.. about budgeting hours

Please let me know what it is.

I would say that six months is pretty reasonable.

All of my freetime goes towards programming.

Basically, everything takes twice as long as stated

recreating craigslist / shopify / and gofund me, rewriting bitejo, then creating indeed all in 6 months?

It is all CRUD

So if you say 3 months, it will take 6 due to roadblocks or chsnges in ideas etc

really dont think its that hard of a task

plowsof11: Skip 1 2 3, and then do 4 5, is the proposal

Frontend for everything is already finished. I already wrote the basis of the backend and I am about 40% of the way doing database

recanman[m]: with some Monero integration and other stuff

the scope of your ccs for me is just too big, i want anarkios service to boom, why not add small features? show us they actually help?

Not gonna be like molly server is it. Say do everything and then go can’t do everything? And chain split

I think the ccs is just "clean up anarks code aka do a proper review and rewrite necessart sections"

then

"add jobs, accounts etc"

It's a full rewrite in Nodejs, not PHP

ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> I think the ccs is just "clean up anarks code aka do a proper review and rewrite necessart sections"... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…a2314253e1b32336aa16a6f6b125aa3da17>)

CCS proposal

raise 100 XMR

I support your CCS 100%. But after the Node.js rewrite is finished, there is still the difficulty to find people who would use the website (signup, post listings, buy products). No one wants to use Bitejo now (and 99% of people don't even know it is coded in bad PHP). But if the Node.js version becomes a community project (part of the Monero ecosystem, rather than one guy's low quality PHP project) and the CCS gives it some hype/interes

find marketers and community organizers.

I coded Bitejo very sporadically as a hobbyist project between 2019-2021, but it was e.g. 3 months nothing, 1-2 weeks concentrated work, 3 months nothing again. If it would be compressed into full-time work, it would have taken 4-5 months to code it from scratch.

Bitejo already has a jobs section that no one uses. It may just need the "order comment" field to be changed to "quote/proposal". There is currently no escrow, but it is because I can't mediate anything personally. An escrow would give additional trust.

bet it all on red

In 5 star casino?

hmm

could knock 25xmr off and do an separate one for jobs part after the rest is up and running

monerobull[m]: xmr casino whennnnnn

monerobull[m]: What does that mean?

xmr.win

recanman[m]: roulette

Hmm. We’re having trouble finding that site.

We can’t connect to the server at xmr.win.

Oops, I don't gamble.

ofrnxmr[m]: Sure.

have you got a loicense for that escrow

Your in crypto

Gamble away 

Or I can just add it in "free-of-charge"

is monero really gambling

With your life

oh its monero.win

I try not to look at XMR/USD pair, I try my best to use XMR as much as I can within the closed economy.

Stablecoin!!

seems to be struggling right now

i lost like 25$ to them

yeah doesnt load but isnt that just a minigame

where you guess the last character of whatever

Where's the one where you bet on the next block hash character

of the next block yeah

i mean like a full casino

with slots

live games

betcrypto.cr I think has Monero

even vr would be really nice

That makes it... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…25f3ddea620bb86f201174177007e08fa72>)

I think they're still developing it

i really want to do this but i dont have the time

ofrnxmr[m]: > <@ofrnxmr:monero.social> That makes it... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…f6b0bb9097281614df838e4107cc67a6b49>)

man you know those livestream casinos

i should host one

monerobull[m]: I do not!

have you heard of ethercrash? or uhm I forget the name of the original btc version

Elaborate!

* Elaborate, please.

Based from monero island

theres a stream of a poker / whatever table and your coins are digital but the cars and dealer are real recanman

recanman[m]: I didnt :P

wondering what everyone else thinks

monerobull[m]: youtube.com/watch?v=2SdKcRLIZHE

monerobull[m]: yeah thats what i meant by live games

Excuse the vscodium cringe, but I have not had any time to do configurations of lvim and whatnot

Thank you.

* Thank you. (monerobull)

imagine this

vrchat

but

with monero gambling

Pretty simple

THIS is the real metaverse

I think

Ask meta

something like this could be done with XMR: ethercrash.io/faq

But if the Bitejo code is bad, why don't you want to code it from scratch?

Just make a request to monero.win

Be a proxy

anarkiocrypto[m]: I do? That is the proposal?

who wants to take on meta and have the fate of mcafee?

if anyone else is in im in

recanman[m]: I will use Bitejo as the basis of design.

Sim city :monero version 

naphtha[m]: No, don't have enough time.

recanman[m]: naah not that simple

So you are only taking the frontend?

Yeah

naphtha[m]: Why not?

i mean proper casino games

roulette

slots

<plowsof11> "have you got a loicense for that..." <- Escrow is probably not a good idea without legal advice

blackjack

Oh

monero.win was sold for 10.000$ some time ago

i dont understand you people

here i am

To general fund

You get find a better frontend from a free Bootstrap/Tailwind template.

offering you at least a mil in the near future

ofrnxmr[m]: I can not implement escrow and make it noncustodial if you want me to

* You can get a better frontend from a free Bootstrap/Tailwind template.

and youre not taking me seriously! sad!

But that was a disadvantage that I may (not) have outlined in the proposal, that scams are pretty easy to encounter.

Ban

I guess milestone-based payments and reviews work, but for some trust if some users want it escrow is optional.

Or I can scrap the idea of escrow.

recanman[m]: I do think its probably best _for you_ to avoid legal trouble, and not hold funds for users

Sounds good

DanrdarkIsnotthe: bandee?

monerobull[m]: This is an online game? Odd

I support the development of a high quality marketplace, but don't see how it is "based on Bitejo" if you are scrapping the backend and only want to take the frontend (when there are much better free Tailwind/Bootstrap templates available).

If it is better, than I can do the frontend from scratch.

But then I feel that the price is getting a bit tight for me.

I think Bitejo UX is pretty nice.

Couple improvements 'here and there'.

I really want to purchase this bitejo.com/listing/PctQ

But I don't have a place I can ship it to

s/a/an/, s/place/address/

Wasnt bitjeo u

What?

s/u/up for grabs?/

lol

I feel like the backend is 90% of Bitejo. So if you are scrapping the backend, there is only 10% (a vague idea) to work with.

All good with me.

monerobull[m]: not priced in BTC?

I just like how the frontend looks, maybe my opinion is 'incorrect'.

5 euro all you can eat?

You can pay in BTC or XMR based on what the seller lists, but prices are in USD

Lest we forget, we paid for a haveno front end (and only a front end) ⌛

I was trying to find a new owner for Bitejo (and open sourced the code) when I was worried that I would become homeless in May and didn't want the project to go offline. I have living costs for July. I don't know about August. But it's my own fault I am failing.

Backend not included*

It isn't incorrect, you can take the frontend if you want. It is amateur HTML/CSS but if you like it, feel free to build a new backend.

Lol haveno

In other words, this ccs has always planned to use the existing front end, and to improve the backend

hbs[m]: its obviously priced at 1 btc, just a long time ago ;)

what happened with haveno and why is everyone so mad at them

last time i checked it was still being updated

Unlike haveno, that promised a frontend, without a working backend

i need a qrd

not sus at all

naphtha[m]: Wow, that is quite funny!

Wait, wrong reply.

monerobull[m]: This one.

It made me laugh out loud.

You can set prices in Bitcoin and Monero. And there is already an accounts system (email is not required, only optional for password resets or notifications).

Tldr css funded a front end (dunno why whats it going to connect to ether) 

monerobull[m]: lmao i saw this exact same ad somewhere else a while back when i was lurking on tor

naphtha[m]: The ccs was for a frontend _only_

never delivered, not in progress, and the backend isnt finished yet.

the original team leader keft the project and cake wallet took over

monerobull[m]: Officially verified by Tor

Tor pow verifies?

* Tor pow verified?

jannieeesss

lol

clean it up!!!!

🐶

Cheap

I don't understand why you are funding a rewrite, if you are just insulting the listings...

These are just jokes, not insults.

If you think Bitejo is trash, just rewrite something from scratch separately.

Well, using your language, I believe the backend is 'trash'. The frontend looks pretty great to me.

Seems like I am in the wrong place for this, but I have never been able to find the "right place".

Anyway this is out of my hands. +1 for Recanman's CCS (if my opinion is relevant). Hopefully he will be able to make a better marketplace.

anarkiocrypto: i think bitejo is cool, some of the listings are just interesting / funny

I also agree, simple to use, straightforward.

no ones insulting bitejo

<recanman[m]> "> <@ofrnxmr:monero.social..." <- The wording has me worried that this will take a lifetime to complete. Is the rewritten code already available somewhere?... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…b05d7077b9d45db7ea22ddaf03c8afc34c1>)

its like saying people are insulting tor because theres weird shit on there

I think something like monerobull implemented is a good idea. creating an listing's account cost 0.1xmr

jip[m]: > <@jip:monero.social> The wording has me worried that this will take a lifetime to complete. Is the rewritten code already available somewhere?... (full message at <libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/do…4ef4593efcd1d042335d3826876d4b995d4>)

Go look at moneromarket, feet photos being sold

tbh i don't think the ccs is going to go over the deadline or not be delivered

youre just nitpicking at this point

Or look at the nfts on mordinals

but i also dont see why it needs to be rewritten

Most of it is just CRUD operations, with the backend making it look good. After that, a little of PGP and Monero, and that is it.

probably because i havent used it before

naphtha[m]: Nitpicking is good, CCS is meant for criticism.

lemmy is 0.01 💢

I'm asking for money

shh

recanman[m]: spam mitigation

bringing up the same point 50 times and receiving the same response every time is retarded

Monerobull create css for lemmy server maintenance fees

nahj

* nah

And use it for holiday

Just make soystemd service with restart as always

run the binary and that is it

To vegas

go to sleep grandpa the kool kidz use docker

DanrdarkIsnotthe: haha see ya at defcon /s

😎️

god docker is great

it really is

Compose is better

naphtha[m]: 👆

DanrdarkIsnotthe: of course

but thats still docker

i dont know if i have ever installed a program on linux before

We can make plowsof

Env:

Gid-1000

Uid-1000

monerobull[m]: I assumed that you would be good at this stuff

plow deez nuts goteeeeemmm

Your handle makes me think you have 10000+ XMR

recanman[m]: i know docker 👍

monero BVLL

Ballwr

Prove that you do or do not, right now. Send me your address and view key

* Ballar

I am joking

bitcoin cuckquean

10k xmr yeahr right lmao. i just joined in 2021

Scammer!

What?

naphtha[m]: What is that?

Asking for view key. Reporting to fluffy

naphtha[m]: Unsure what this is either

its better if it stays that way

Safer

For metal health

* For mental health

soyed to you by soyjak.party

When your rewrite is done, I could probably close down Bitejo or let the VPS expire (as it would be obsolete). If this happens, I can give you the domain name (but a new name is probably better than a random Esperanto word that people don't know how to pronounce).

gitlab.com/beardog/merkato is from the unsuccessful ccs forgotsudo marketplace repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/340

The biggest problem really seems to be marketing and community building... OpenBazaar had this problem too. Good tech, but difficult to buy and sell when there are few buyers and sellers...

This made me giggle maybe spam is the answer after all: bitejo.com/listing/Ru3p

jip[m]: thats actually cool

barely have anything come up when you search my name but still

some people may need this

if only I had the courage the give out my full name to some random internet person

what are they going to do with it lol

create spam accounts probably but it still feels wrong lol

no way of differentiating between your real name and a fake name

well in most cases

true but I should give them my real name if I really want to use the service

or maybe people use it to make someone they dislike harder to find lol