<a​nter666:matrix.org> Morning

<s​adlittlewannabesamurai> howdy 🤠

<l​ardarse_fellowship:matrix.org> hello everyone. my first time in "this" matrix.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hi

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> welcome to the matrix where Mr Anderson lives

<c​eruleous> is this channel still synced

c​eruleous: "Synced" to IRC you mean? If yes, then yes. I am writing this on IRC.

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> In what details do monero core devs actually know the implementations of all cryptographic primitives used, for example the keccak hash function has a long reference, are devs writing impls directly from reference or implementation suggestions, how does it work if I may ask? Going through the book and try to go through everything and like don't know how deep in the rabbit hole I should be going

Most primitives are from Daniel Berstein. Keccak was taken from an early implementation, can't recall the source. Some small amount of stuff is from libsodium IIRC.

Newer stuff was coded from papers mostly by Sarang Noether.

Well, that's a bit higher leel, so maybe it doesn't count as "primitives". I'm thinking of bulletproofs.

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> I see and sarang also authored or coauthored the zero to monero booklet

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Because I'm not formally educated but want to go heavy into the cryptography

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> So I suppose recursively investigating every impl. is going to be it

s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud: Investigating every implementation may be very interesting, and you may learn a lot, but nevertheless sounds a bit "drastic" to me

depending on what you intend to achieve and where you want to go of course

And well, maybe you heard already that we try to switch to a quite different technological base called "Seraphis" over the mid term

where many things will change

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Ya aware of that totally. This book is anyways in some regards at least 3 years out of date but considering the crypto in it still stands I suppose and it is well-readable documentation it's really great since it bundles everything together.

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> No telling when a next update is going to happen on this type of protocol documentation. Does Sarang do monero stuff still?

Not as far as I know. The work was not stable enough.

(as in no long term certainty)

Yes and no. He works for the Cypher Stack company now, which may do work on behalf of the Monero dev community, which then lands in his hands

The BP++ review may go to them, if finally it will be clear what to review, and how ...

And they are involved in work for full chain membership proofs which may be in Monero's future as well

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Full chain membership proofs?

sunnyday:catgirl.cloud: twitter.com/kayabaNerve/status/1672616243302465536

<s​unnyday:catgirl.cloud> Thanks!

<s​adlittlewannabesamurai> just asking to make sure; is it usual for for monero-blockchain-import to be stuck on "LMDB Mapsize increased." for a little while

<s​adlittlewannabesamurai> yes i am using an SSD