<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> is it viable to mine monero on ARM chips?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> they have lower power usage but i would imagine they would cost more for the same amount of hash rate

xx_raxer_xx I can't see why not.

<k​owalabearhugs-:matrix.org> Find used or broken apple m1 macbooks/minis, fix/refurb and mine

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> You can mine on any cpu, if it’s viable or not it’s upto cost you incurred

<k​owalabearhugs-:matrix.org> Many ARM chips are included on the xmrig benchmark page: xmrig.com/benchmark?vendor=other

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> thanks, yall are somehow more helpful than the monero discord while having less members (not trying to diss them0

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> thanks, yall are somehow more helpful than the monero discord while having less members (not trying to diss them(

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> thanks, yall are somehow more helpful than the monero discord while having less members (not trying to diss them)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i figured out that used epyc 7351's (when bought used) pay themselves off faster (1/2 to 2/3rds of a year until they pay themselves off assuming 0.02/kWh electricity price)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 100 dollars for a 12k hashrate cpu

<k​owalabearhugs-:matrix.org> Cheap kwh

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Wow

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i'm mining in syria, of all places

<k​owalabearhugs-:matrix.org> Fantastic

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 12k hashrate is great

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also there are some other better EPYC's that offer better deals but i forgot bout them

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> im currently scraping every single known place to find used cpu's to compile a big spreadsheet of monero cpu's

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i might post it here

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if it's not the intel xeon or epyc then i will be dumbfounded

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That would be incredibly helpful to many people

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That is a great idea

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Xeons are great for mining

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> although i have noticed that they usually have moderately higher power consumption, but they can have better $/hash rate when bought use

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> although i have noticed that they usually have moderately higher power consumption, but they can have better $/hash rate when bought used

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> does anyone know places to get used cpus besides ebay/craigslist?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Those are pretty much the only places

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i want to include every single listing that exists (ideally)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I've bought many servers/server parts in my lifetime and they have all been with ebay and craigslist

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but also

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i'm not excluding the power of consumer-grade cpus

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> sometimes you can find them used for the price of a block of dirt

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I've never looked into it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> some of them are competitive with server cpus, although they can suffer from the problem of costing more power than they give hashrate

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but also does anyone know how to do the spreadsheet idea

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> without ebay tagging me as a ddos attacker or something

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Use some proxies?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> nah jit sometimes they captcha

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't know if ebay has an api

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Oh, didn't know that

xx_raxer_xx pay a good vpn

njalla or mullvad

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ye

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that makes sense

why mining in Syria?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> cheapest power on earth

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> very literally you cannot find a better deal for power

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> you have to do a real life tower defense mission but it still works

oh, that's nice

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> civil war be damned the power companies are doing a good job at using all their excess oil

"Make Monero, Not War"

✌️

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also, how likely are cpu's to fail?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> CPUs don't usually fail

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i have heard that's unlikely but also its craigslist so anything can happen

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that's nice to know

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> They don't have any moving parts, so just make sure that they have thermal paste and are ventilated and they will be good for years

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> holy mother of christ

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i found the mother of all deals

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> an E5-2680 V3 for 9 dollars and fourty five fucking cents

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 11k hashes for under 10 goddamn dollars

lol

but that's the cpu only, right? you need the motherboard, etc.

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> bit.ly/ebayusedcpu1

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> its in bulk

oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shit you're right

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> let me find the cheapest motherboards known to man

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Get an 8-cpu board

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Get an 8-socket board

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> those exist?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Maybe

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I was half-joking

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> huh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> cool

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it technically exists

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i think

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> only rumors of it's existence

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> LGA 1567 can hold 8 sockets

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> thats what i heard

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> ebay.com/itm/125394312821

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 4-socket

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what ze fuck

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> they actually make a good amount of quad socket motherboards

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i checked on ebay

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh that too

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it might be cheaper to find some random used motherboard then buy a specialized 4 socket one

👀

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> gentlement

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> gentlemen

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i have found it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> hold up

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ebay.com/itm/235107192469?epid=1201…WzN8U%2FDEKHOzHBRND5Id%2BnoRM6odSKi<clipped message>

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> q%2Bz8r%2BIOrDAPf4ymdVYUbR7XYlOGLUBgIt%2FlNYwf6V73fgg847%7Ctkp%3ABFBMoo3X58ti

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 45 dollars for a duel cpu with the right sockets

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> assuming im going with the 10 dollar cpu

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Beautiful

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> now for the ram

you can share only ebay.com/itm/235107192469 the important part of the url, to make it shorter

after the ? is generally not important

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh, thank you

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> *And without the tracking)

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> (And without the tracking)

that too

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok so

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Is that DDR3 or DDR2?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> how much ram do i need per cpu to mine RandomX?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also its ddr4

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> apparantly

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> If that's ecc that will be incredibly expensive

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ecc?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Pretty much, servers sometimes require ECC ram. ECC is error-correcting-code. pretty much it slows it down a little but keeps a copy of certain bits, so it can handle bit switches

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Like a checksum

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> how do i know if it needs ECC ram

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I remember it needing 30mb

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Look online

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Nevermind, it needs 2048mb for fast mode, or 256mb if light more

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> per cpu?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aight so i just need

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a tad bit more than 4GB of ram

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> No, i think in total

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh damn

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> But not sure

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so i can just pick any 4GB stick of ddr4 ram and it will work

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> nice

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Well, hopefully its non-ecc and unbuffered

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i dont think it needs ecc ram

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> holy mother of christ, i found the ram

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Check if it needs buffered or unbuffered

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Great

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a single 8 dollar piece of 4GB ram

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait is running in single channel bad?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> in this case?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Doesn't matter

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> randomx would be cpu-dependent

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'm not 100% sure though

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok so

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> lemme calc the costs

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 8 + 45 = 53, divide that by 2 and you get 26.5, add 9.5 to that for the cost of each cpu

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> and you get like, 36 dollars per cpu

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> assuming im using the 9.5 dollar cpu i found on ebay

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ROI in days is something like 173.2

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah thats a pretty good deal if you ask me

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ROI in days is something like 173.2 days

I can code, develop stuff, blockchain related stuff included. Do you know any way I can make money within the monero ecosystem? Mining is not an option given my current financial situation. "Make money" meaning $300-500/month or more.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I might buy some miners myself if they're really that cheap and more efficient than the 5950x that I have

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait shit

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i need a PSU

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> actually i could probably rip an absurdly cheap one off ebay

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> found one

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ebay.com/itm/235107192469?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wrong one

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ebay.com/itm/195655624139

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 30 dollar power supply that supplies 980 fucking watts

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Wow

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> could probably power like 2 of those duel cpu motherboards, ROI goes up to probably 210 days

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That would be old, heavy, and possibly dangerous

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> could probably power like 2 of those duel cpu motherboards, ROI goes up to probably 210 days or so

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> eh heavy not a problem, not like it so heavy it will fall through the floor

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also, what you mean dangerous

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> not like PSUs just blow up like chinese knockoff batteries

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I guess so, I just assumed that since it is older, it won't be safe

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> cant be that bad if it still works

<c​ryptogrampy:monero.social> What are you using for cooling

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if i bought anything better it would make it less profitable

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yep

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it Just Works™️

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it Just Works

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Simple metal passive heatsinks

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i read coding

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> probably what recanman said or stock coolers

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a used fan cannot be that hoot

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a used fan cannot be that bad

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> actually, how would i know how much fan i need to cool down a cpu?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> since TDP stands for thermal design power why isn't it listed on the fan for how much it can cool?

<c​ryptogrampy:monero.social> I just use a couple reusable lunch box coolers

<c​ryptogrampy:monero.social> I have 2 in the freezer and 2 sitting on my cpu

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Vintage

<c​ryptogrampy:monero.social> I have no where to go so I just set an alarm clock

<c​ryptogrampy:monero.social> If my grandson visits I just turn off the miner and we go to the zoo

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> actually, i realized something

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> would it be economical to forgo the coolers and put them into a walk-in freezer?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> actually that would probably cost more in power

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> found a random 6 dollar fan off ebay

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> should do it

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Multiple purpose for mining and beers

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Multi purpose for mining and beers

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what i am building is going to be the most goofy ass mining setup ever made

lol

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a stock cooler from a pentium with a server cpu from 10 years ago on a random motherboard from fucking cisco

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I really cannot tell if you're larping or if you're being serious 😆

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a stock cooler from a pentium with a server cpu from 10 years ago on a random motherboard from fucking cisco attached to an apple PSU

all of that running in Syria

inside a freezer

it would be a lot of fun, if it works

you need to make sure that all the parts are compatible for heavy duty

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> Achievement Unlocked: "Unprofessional but Elite": Create something that looks trash but is actually the most efficient way to do the task it is doing.

<c​ryptogrampy:monero.social> How are you going to wire that Apple psu

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it cant be that proprietary

#rightToRepair

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> apple would not be stupid enough

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> to make even their psu's proprietary

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that would just be petty

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Apple is very smart, people actually spent $2000 for a device with a 256gb soldered, non-replaceable ssd

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> there is no way that actually sold

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 256gb is ass

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> for an SSD

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Go to any college and you'll see them

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> my home pc has 512GB

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> and it cheaper than a case of corona

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> probably

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i wonder why they dont put their computer science students to use and build a computer from parts or sommething

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i wonder why they dont put their computer science students to use and build a computer from parts or something

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Half of the undergrads don't even know what a filesystem is and assume everything is managed by a set of 'apps'

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…radesk.com/GfLphALxNxAgtQkELvPvdtOA

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aint no way

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i thought university students were supposed to be smart

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Not half, but a sizable portion

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Well, I don't believe in learning computer science through classes

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I believe in tinkering, breaking things, opening them up, and learning through there

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> true men ask Phind/ChatGPT for guidance

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> legends read the documentation

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Then you strengthen your fundamentals and concepts in classes

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> agreed

<z​ergling:conduit.harpy.faith> lol

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i now know a lot more about building pc's after i dissasembled my computer to try and bring it to school after i lost my school chromebook

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Are you a kid?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> > school chromebook

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> freshman

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Good thing that you're learning and all

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> In high school?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> indeed

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> had the idea to mine crypto in middle school, though

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i have had random ambitious ideas since the beginning of my memory and this is the first time i am actually doing them

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I started my computer tinkering stuff in elementary, it stays with you for life

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> As did I. How coincidental!

<z​ergling:conduit.harpy.faith> I think you can safely assume that anyone in a monero room on matrix is capable of and interested in learning.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> As did I. How coincidental

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You should get some monero stickers and redpill your peers

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also dont ask how i can get to syria

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i dont

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i have a guy over there

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also apparantly you can travel anywhere with an adult's guidance so i pay this guy to let me go anywhere, haven't used it yet because i don't feel like walking into a war zone yet

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Ah, ok, arab countries don't say 'high school'

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Lets move in #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Lets move into #monero-offtopic:monero.social

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aight

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> we have another channel for that?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> nice

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> There are a bunch of channels, most shown here: getmonero.org/community/workgroups

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> error in joining

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> matrix is doing something again

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Hmm, odd, it doesn't really matter

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> nvm

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Oh, I see it worked

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also, is anyone here in syria?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i would like to know the place that has the least amount of random violence

xx_raxer_xx I think Aleppo is fine, compared to other places, but ask locals better, and you better learn arabic

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh fuck

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i have to learn another language

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i am pretty fucking bad at learning new language

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Over there, they will be amused by you speaking English

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Use a translator and you'll be fine

xx_raxer_xx get the bare minimum then immersed in the field your brain learns faster to survive

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ah yes, the method of learning how to tread/float in water and then jumping into the deep end

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i actually heard someone did that

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it worked

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i might try that

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if i ever personally go there to setup my crypto setup

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> (note: that was not sarcasm, someone actually did that)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> how much would i need to know that counts are the bare minimum

xx_raxer_xx this is off-topic, let's got to #monero-offtopic

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> makes sense

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> back here

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> uhhh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> has anyone heard of the RandomX asic thing

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> some bozo company named Bitmain or something tried to slap together one

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> just to check, did they actually do it or is this just a pack of RISC-V cpu's

it's a nothingburger, less efficient than the best amd cpu

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> good

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if they made actual asic's then monero would get annihilated

they are actual asics, it's just that an asic essentially has to be a cpu

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah, i tried to read the randomX specs and while my brain is definitely not high enough spec to understand it, i know it uses all the parts of a cpu and such

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> has anyone

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> even read the RandomX specs

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I have

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> idk if im stupid but the specs hurt my brain

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> But not completely

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I just got a general idea

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i only vaguely understand it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It's quite complicated

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Cryptographers and mathematicians would understand it, you can ask them for a summary

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if i understand correctly,

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You can ask in #monero-dev:monero.social

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> RandomX works by taking some sort of input (i forgot the factors), it turns it into problems, and it derives more problems and it lists them on a scratchpad, then it solves them and then hashes them and if it works than you get ze block

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> or #monero-pow:monero.social

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I thought you meant specs needed for running

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> no imean

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the algorithm

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> its documentaiton

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but its called specs

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> for some reason

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also i dont think ic an

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> monerodev is for like smart mfs

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> im just some random freshman that likes reading code sometimes

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You can ask questions there

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I haven't read the technical specifications, no

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aight

xx_raxer_xx but you are a smart mf, don't underestimate your brain

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> then i will ask

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> once i figure out what i need to ask

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it is less active so i will have to choose my questions

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Lol, the 5950X is one of the most efficient cpus, at >100 H/s/W if you tune it decently (can go up to 130 ish if you aim for efficiency). Those old xeons will be lucky if they get 50 H/s/W. That means you need 3x cheaper electricity to get the same profitability ratio

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Guess I read incorrectly 😆

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> electricity is not only thing

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> you need to consider price

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> of the cpu

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> xx_raxer_xx: I'm well aware. But the cost of the hardware comes after the efficiency, in terms of importance

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If your hw is so inefficient that you spend more on electricity than you earn by mining, you will never recover its cost, even if you got it for free

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> cost of hardware is more important because it dictates how much hardware you can buy and shit

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> efficiency is only a factor in profit which is what should be considered

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the old xeons are inefficient but for my use case i have absurdly cheap electricity so it works

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And older Intel cpus are *bad*

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> for people with normal electricity costs modern cpu's/epycs would be better

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That's true for everyone. Higher efficiency means higher profitability

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> For reference:

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> ```

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> +-------------------------------+--------+-------+------------+---------+----------+-------+

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | CPU | Speed | Power | Efficiency | Amount | Power | $/kWh |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> +===============================+========+=======+============+=========+==========+=======+

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD EPYC 7763 (dual) | 100000 | 750 | 133.333 | 23195 | 17396250 | 0.149 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD EPYC 7742 (dual) | 90000 | 742 | 121.294 | 25772 | 19122824 | 0.136 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD EPYC 7702 (dual) | 84000 | 720 | 116.667 | 27613 | 19881360 | 0.131 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3990X | 65000 | 600 | 108.333 | 35684 | 21410400 | 0.121 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen Threadripper 3970X | 40000 | 375 | 106.667 | 57986 | 21744750 | 0.119 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen 7950X | 18143 | 140 | 129.593 | 127842 | 17897880 | 0.145 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen 5950X | 22000 | 225 | 97.778 | 105429 | 23721525 | 0.110 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen 5900X | 16000 | 160 | 100.000 | 144965 | 23194400 | 0.112 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen 5800X | 11500 | 125 | 92.000 | 201690 | 25211250 | 0.103 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen 5600X | 8000 | 75 | 106.667 | 289930 | 21744750 | 0.119 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen 3950X | 22000 | 225 | 97.778 | 105429 | 23721525 | 0.110 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> | AMD Ryzen 3900X | 14600 | 140 | 104.286 | 158866 | 22241240 | 0.117 |

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That last column ($/kWh) is how much the cpu will earn. It also means that that is the maximum electricity price you can afford to pay with that cpu if you want to break even (ie you earn as much as you spend, with 0 net profit)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> There aren't many other cpus, because devices from the same generation/family tend to have roughly the same efficiency

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You can find a more complete list of benchmarks at xmrig.com/benchmark

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yes, but consider the price

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the duel high end server-grade cpu's cost like thousands of dollars

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If you can actually find electricity at 0.02 $/kWh, you will still have a pretty nice profitability ratio, even with those old xeons

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that's the power of moving your crypto setup to a country with a civil war

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I know. Which is why the best option is typically consumer hardware like Ryzen, ie best efficiency and best $/H/s/W

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Don't forget about the risks too. What do you do if your rig gets stolen/blown up/disconnected from the internet?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (And that's disregarding any risks to you if you need to phisically go there)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> What do you do if one component breaks down or needs maintenance? What if you need someone to phisically press a restart button?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i have a homie

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that can fix it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You trust him with access?!

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> ^

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> For free?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> no shit, if i gave him a button that would destroy my balls i would trust him not to detonate it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> he my homie fr

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> >zoomers

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also nah

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> he gets

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ...stuff

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the ATF will raid me so i will prefer not to say

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I'm losing faith in your intelligence

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So that's a cost that will reduce your profitability

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> only slightly

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> fair

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> not many would trust their best friend that much

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> probably dumb to do that

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ...i should probably hire a legit guy

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that can do it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Shouldn't trust them either

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> fuck

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what do i do

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Have your own custody

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Simple as

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You stick to reality, like the rest of us

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> good point ^

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> dammit

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so i cannot hire a guy to manage it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You're not the first to think "hey what if I put a bunch of rigs in a much cheaper place?"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You can, but again, it will probably cost more than you will earn, and there will be risks

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> How will you bring the devices over there? Customs are extremely expensive and take months over there

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You will end up paying over 2x

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it cannot be that hard to ship it just regular shipping

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> hold up

just go to Idaho, man

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> let me check

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It isn't that easy as amazon makes it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Trusting people is fine, but running a money-making operation of any kind based on pure blind trust in people is a generally bad business idea

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Trying to get things from inside will be extremely hard

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Assuming it even arrives there

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> They don't give a crap

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i can probably sue him if he tries skimming some off the top (although i aint sure if i can sue him if im an ocean away)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shit you right

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i cant do nothing

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> >Assuming the law will do anything

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Lmao, good luck suing anyone in Syria

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Especially if you live in a country that Syria *doesn't agree with*

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> SHIT

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> you are right

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I used to be a naive script kiddie like you, keep exploring, don't lose interest

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> probably dumb proposition,

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> BUT

"sorry, bro, I had to sell the rigs to pay for this surgery my girlfriend had to go through, SORRY"

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> would overclocking work

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i can probably jerryrig an EPYC overclock somehow

"you don't understand how syrian mothers in law are, bro!"

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ask my friend or something

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Overclocking typically reduces efficiency, and therefore profitability

I'm joking, I don't want to discourage you, it's that Idaho looks liek a much better idea

to me, imo

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You'd have to reduce voltage as well, those things are risky and I don't mess with them too much

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The epyc/ryzen results I included there are typically underclocked a little, so that you can undervolt the cpu even further

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yes but especially for the higher end server cpu's where you dont need that much goddamn efficiency, would it be worth it to pay itself off faster?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i am not sure if i want to wait 2-3 years for a setup to pay off itself

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> hold up let me check

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> hey

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> endor

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> is the tdp accurate

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> for how much power it will use

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shiiiiit this is bad news

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The tdp figure on spec sheets? Nah. Technically it doesn't even represent actual power consumption, but heat generation

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> assuming 0.1/kWh and each epyc 7763 using 750W of power (idk)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it will pay itself off in

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The numbers I have in my list are actual power measurements at the wall

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 1 THOUSAND AND EIGHT HUNDRED FUCKING DAYS

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yep

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> well fuck

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Was just about to tell you that

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> im going to die of old age before i get it paid off

that's the reason why I am not mining

life is too short

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> man im just trying to find a way to make more money than i would normally work

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That's why I told you earlier that desktop Ryzen is better

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> goddamn

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shit hold up aight

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Get a job. Any job. Learn programming and start doing stuff of any kind, if you wanna stay at home

mining monero, or any crypto, isn't a particularly good way of making extra money nowadays

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> jit

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i cant job

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> no literally im pretty sure my concentration is shot so i cant concentrate on anything for long enough

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the only reason i can even think about this is because i have my favorite music blasting in the background to keep my attention

xx_raxer_xx do meditation, martial arts, that doesn't just help, it solves the problem

get in control of your high energy

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Or, more realistically, go to a doctor and see if you have adhd, and if so, look for appropriate treatments

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah that makes sense

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Lmao

no, doctors only sell drugs

buy some 3090s or 4090s and rent them out to AI people

meditation works

more money in ai than in crypto right now

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i will think

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but also the reason i want to make passive income is because like

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok the only thing in life i truely like is playing roblox/any other video game 24/7

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> This "passive income" meme needs to end

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shit am i about to get roasted

lol

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh shit endor dont uhhhhhhhhh go too hard

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh s h i t

passive income means you're rich enough to live off ~4% of your net worth (give or take, depending on many factors)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I mean, I was going to give you some food for thought, but if you're not interested I'll go do something more useful instead

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh sorry

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> In fact, I have stuff to do anyway

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Good luck on your endeavors

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aight

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i am definitely not there

endor00 lol, don't get mad, please, he was joking

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i dont think jit is mad

minth: 100% correct

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> jit probably just has other things to do after i said he was gonna roast me or something

can't make everyone happy, that's life, some people like jokes, some people don't

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah

but he's right, it's a meme

especially how inflation is being pumped nowadays

it's hard

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> well shit i would really like it if i could live off passive income

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Holy crap, reduce the amount of garbage that you consume

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Don't learn your finances off of 30-second tiktok videos

right now is probably a good time to be adhd and tech savvy, gpt can teach you programming and write much of your code for you, you can work online and bounce between small projects so you don't get too bored with each one

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok bro im sorry

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> goddamn

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That's a horrible way to learn

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> No need to apologize, I'm doing you a favor

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Take some advice

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Delete social media off of your phone and see if you urges to use it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> And another other time-wasting crap that gave you the adhd

I lived off passive income for years, not that great, let me tell you.

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait what

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> you can get adhd?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i thought you just have it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Of course

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Attention span

not really but similar symptoms

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Your neurons burn out from all of the stimulation

you can remediate and mitigate

"tough grass" is NOT a meme, you can literally cure diseases by touching literal grass regularly

improve your overal mental health, etc

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I mean you can be born with it, but you get an identical situation

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It isn't normal to check your iToddler every 30 secoonds

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, it just is a matter of doing it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You may have sentiment, just do it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ...i feel like that applies to me but instead of that it's discord

neurons don't burn out but they desensitize. they can be resensitized but some of the behavioral patterns you learn can't be fully unlearned

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Why discord, I don't know why people like discord

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It is a honeypot

yep, discord too

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I did not mean literally 😄

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You're being monitored

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> same reason people like matrix except for regular things

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> you are right, though

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Has ties to israel, currently staked by chinese government (tencent is a company, but pretty much the same thing)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if tiktok is made by a chinese company

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> than

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that has to be even more of a honeypot

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Not a honeypot, but more a demoralization attempt

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Try to make youth of the US incompetent and retarded, weakens risks against china for the stuff that they are doing

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what do ye mean by this

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Chatgpt will help you when you are a programmer by making things faster, you should learn the real way

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> phind (a gpt based programming search engine) i have found useful for looking up examples and definitions of programming things

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, of course

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Alternative to using a search engine

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It isn't in-depth enough

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You need to spend a few years breaking and tinkering stuff

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I guess you could learn faster but this is how I learned

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Open up old computers and mess around with them, install virtual machines, do some programming, etc.

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I wish I knew better before I spent five years trying to make a successful

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I wish I knew better before I spent five years trying to make a successful video game

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Literally just do random stuff until you find what is fun

And making a game is fun. Gets you to try out various things. Math, AI, graphics, data structures, etc. Eclectic and useful.

there is no substitute for understanding things, but gpt can explain things to you and answer your questions in real time so you don't have to figure out everything on your own

and it can show you how to do things, give you code examples that are tailored specifically for what you need

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I meant higher-level, roblox

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It teaches you a lot but I spent too much time on it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I figuratively spent every minute of my freetime with computers since I was younger, when I wasn't working with them, I was thinking about them. Just keep messing around and you'll find the find in the vast world of computer science

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> This is still the case... I'm always thinking about these things

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> cool

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so what i am taking from this is that

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes, llm aids you when you are programming, it will help a lot. But try to do things on your own first

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> phind is a useful tool however i should also tinker with physical hardware and also program a bit (contributing to repos or making your own pet projects maybe) to become a legit programmer

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i do not envy going to a university so i will only do so if i have to because spending 4 more years in any school sounds like hell

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but i will need it for a job

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> University is a waste unless it is phd research

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I recommend it but it is just to strengthen your knowledge, not to create it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Certifications are good too. You can start with comptia a+ to show your experience

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> sounds legit

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait shit

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> recanman i just realized something

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ye i forgot that you can sell used cpus for a good chunk of the original price

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but also like, i know older cpus sell for less % of their original price

what I liked about university is that I "had to" show up and do assignments, otherwise I'd just stay home and play games all week. also I learned stuff I otherwise wouldn't have bothered with so I got a broader understanding of computers and software than I would have just by following my whims

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> They lose value pretty quickly

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but also how the fuck do i predict that

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I bought the 5950x for $750 I think (bad choice, I know), and now I can get it for a couple hundred

but if you're motivated to learn you can absolutely learn on your own, just start programming and learn what you need when you need it.

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that was just a few years ago

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> and it's price went down, by 50%

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> hmmmmmmmmm

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> does that mean that

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yeah

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> each year a cpu's price goes down by

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 16.67%?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Not a good thing to rely on making money from selling used electronics

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait no

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that dont make sense

there's no rule about how quickly prices decrease, it depends on what new hardware comes out and how the market demand is

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It's not linear, you'd have to look at hundreds of cpus

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that would mean after 8 years or so it would be negative

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That's not hard

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> **It's not linear**

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so i will need to make da graph

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> # **It's not linear**

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't know what level of mathematics you're in

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah i sent that before ye sent that but it looks like i said it after you said it bcuz of lag or something

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> math 1

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> freshman

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Algebra? Pre-algebra?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> algebra

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> prealgebra was a while ago

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Oh, ok

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Computer science is math-based. You should try to accelerate yourself

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Maybe take some classes over the summer, then file it with the school or something

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> out of school yes

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> in school fuck no

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i love having easy classes

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if i could just chill in math 1 and pass hs then i would

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> but i cant

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 😦

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i take path of least resistance

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You won't succeed in life doing the bare minimum

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> School doesn't make you smart, they don

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> School doesn't make you smart, they don't want you to be smart

if you want to learn math, write a ray tracer and a physics engine

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what do you mean by that

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> their goal is to educate you to get good job

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> or something like that

that's training, not education

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Ahh, I'm too tired to explain

they train you, they don't educate you

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> If everyone was smart, who would the sheep be?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what is difference, exactly

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> both advance your knowledge in a field enough to

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait

"knowledge" vs knowledge

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok yeah

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok i see your point

one thing is "knowing" how to drive a car (as per learned in videogames or books), another thing is knowing how to drive a car (as in being a good actual driver)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> w h a t

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ray tracer

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> didnt the mfs at nvidia try for like years to put it on their gpus?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the math involved would be insanely over math 1 or any other hs math course

yeah they have it in their gpus now but you won't learn anything by using their solution. you should write one yourself. It's not very difficult for a basic one.

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/uUmkUxBkfahtQgUbNCxNhqbC

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> look at this

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> do you think freshman can understand what the fuck this means

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Of course

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I knew freshman in multivariable calculus

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It isn't as hard as that

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> With computer science stuff, wikipedia is always overly-verbose

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Ray-tracing is too hard to start with

gpt can help you understand the math

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> But it's a matter of writing the math out and attempting to wrap your head around it for a very basic raytracer

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Just learn some programming first, maybe start with go or javascript or something

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Just learn some programming first, maybe start with go or javascript (node.js runtime) or something

javascript sucks but yes, learn basic programming first

walk before you run

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> bro like

FPGA programming might give money

good money

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok recanman imagine like you just chilling in this server and some guy ask you to slap together an i9-11900KS from scratch

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I have imagined that

hahaha, no it's not like that at all

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ye but like

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> dats about how hard it would be for me to understand like the uhhhh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the weird three lines branching symbol

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> hold up let me find it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You are I are very similar, I used to be in the same exact situation as you were in, except I was in elementary school

the stuff nvidia does in their gpus is super advanced, but that's because it has to run super fast and do everything

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Always used to help my instructors with tech issues and ask the school it guy a bunch of loaded questions to 'show off' in a sense

this is not too complicated once you know some programming raytracing.github.io/books/RayTracingInOneWeekend.html

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Once I started attempting to learn, then my knowledge actually became a bit more worthwhile

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You need to acquire knowledge and become capable of evaluating logic

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> That works best by programming

mathematics is a language, mathematical notation looks alien when you haven't learned it

but when you know programming you start to understand that math and programming are very similar, they just have different notation

and programming also looks very alien when you don't know it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> They are the exact same, programming is just an abstraction of mathematics

but when you get it you get it

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> They are the same, programming is just an abstraction of mathematics

you just have to start learning and the pieces will gradually fall into place

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yep

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so i have to learn math to program well

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> fuck

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> If you want to be a good programmer, yes

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Programming = mathematics = logic

or conversely, you will learn math by learning programming

programming is much more fun than learning math in school

but the skills are just as valuable

I became "good" at math after having learned a lot of programming. go hand in hand

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shit

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> now i have to actually try in math and not chill in the easiest math class

again, school is "useful", don't worry too much about performance or grades, worry about logic, logic is everything

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> this is probably gonna sound like a dumb question but

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> can you get around math

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> in programming

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> like work in a field that is less math and more programming

yes, webdevs rarely tough math

touch

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Be a frontend dev

but it's what most people do. If you want to be paid a lot of money do what minth and recanman tell you, get into the logic/math part.

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shit that requires art

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I despise frontend devs the most

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I despise frontend the most

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok im fucked

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> backend requires math

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> which i find dreadful to learn

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You are not, just actually spend time on it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> and art/visual design/ui design i cannot do

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Goodbye

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also how far would i have to get in math

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> to understand the RandomX algorithm

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a thing i have tried a while ago and considered trying again was porting RandomX to lua

you're not fucked, you just need to believe in yourself. it's pretty easy once you know the basics

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> the reason im not asking this in Monero Dev is that it sounds kind of dumb

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a thing i have tried a while ago and considered trying again was porting RandomX (XMRig) to lua

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> imma ask over there, actually

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if anyone is up

sounds like a good way of learning both crypto stuff and lua

good idea

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> where IS the randomx docs/specs

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i swear it was there

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> nvm found it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> to understand the RandomX algorithm

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> im porting XMRig to Lua for the hell of it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ...ok i have realized i am probably jumping into the hardest lua script that will ever be made

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> goddamn

xx_raver_xx github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/master/doc/specs.md

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 943 lines of documentation

one step at a time, and always have fun

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> well

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i will try and have as much fun as a freshman trying to comprehend the work of multiple university grade programmers/mathematicians can have

yeah break it up into easier pieces, don't bite off too much at a time

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> not much but it is something

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shit i just realized something

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i will have to port blake2b as well to lua

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> damn this is looking mighty hard

it exists

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> W H A T

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> god bless whoever did that

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i will relay this to my team, and yes, i did build a team

many things exist

programming is kind of choose your own adventure

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what's next, some guy already ported XMRig?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ...i hope that doesn't exist so i can be the first one to do that

yes, but closed source

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ye its cool

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> no what

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> you mean the lua XMRig miner?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> someone DID THAT

not sure what they did, sounds like some lua thingy

anyway, it's gone

maybe just embedded lua

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> gravimatrix?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what do you mean by yes?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> HOLY SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> fuck

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> WHY GOD

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> WHY

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> I COULD PUT THIS ON ROBLOX AND BECOME THE RICHEST MAN ON EARTH BY MINING CRYPTO

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it appears that fate is not letting things be easy, again

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait bro

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> its cryptonight

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ...

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> well that was a lot of excitement for nothing

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> still, thank you for blake in lua

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that will be useful

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> gravi u a real #####

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> (note those were my hashtags its a roblox reference)

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i am going to sleep now

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> or soon

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> goodnight sedimenttable

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> why is m-relay stuck

it's late, yes, let us know if you made something of these ideas, in few months maybe you got a nice experiment going on

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> anyone here?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> chat seems

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> pretty dead

<e​ight> e

<e​ight> hey shit this bridge works

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> I am here, is there something you want to discuss?

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> More people will probably chime in if there is an interesting topic.

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aight so basically, if i am trying to do what i was saying i would do (port RandomX to lua), and i wanted to hire a guy

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> what would i want on their resume?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> just 1 employee

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You will not make money from mining on roblox

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> They will detect you and ban you

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i have considered that, but regardless, if i wanted to, what would i want on their resume?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> if i only had enough funding to hire 1 guy

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> It would be a grueling task

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> And would be dreadfully inefficient

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> bro pls answer the question

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I don't know

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> experience with randomx and monero

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> would they need cryptography experience too?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yes

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so crypto experience, randomX/monero experience, a good Lua scripter, and also a guy that actually shuts up when you give him an NDA

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah makes sense

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> on somewhat unrelated topic, how do you know if a mf is actually doing a good amount of work if they are working remotely

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Check in on them...?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it could probably be by feel just by checking their work every few hours but also they could be holding back just a bit so i believe they are doing all they cna

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I am not calling you stupid, but you are too ambitious and naive

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Try to learn before jumping the gun

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Goodbye

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> alright then

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> goodbye

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> or goodnight depending on where you are

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> well hopefully i can learn by jumping the gun

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You will not

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I did not either

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> wait you did somewhat dumb things too?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> I am not available now, goodbye

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> What I meant was getting too excited and not learning fundamentals first

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Otherwise you know nothing

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> You can't apply it

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> makes sense

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> thanks m8

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also i wonder

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> does this room have a mod?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> do any of the rooms have mods?

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i havent witnessed anyone getting banned or muted yet

<x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> either this place is REALLY peaceful or the mods are very fast