libera #monero

5 Sep 2023

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• 00:56
  fibonacci12358
  .bal
• 00:56
  Wallet
  fibonacci12358: 0.00002337 XMR (≈$0.00)
• 01:22
  forestfuturist
  is this the official monero chat?
• 01:23
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> one of them, yes
• 01:24
  forestfuturist
  so like the libera chat onea are the official channels?
• 01:24
  forestfuturist
  pretty new to irc
• 01:27
  forestfuturist
  test message please ignore sample text one two three four five
• 01:27
  forestfuturist
  oh nvm sorry
• 01:33
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yest
• 02:20
  gravimatrix
  forestfuturist: why "forest futurist"?
• 03:34
  m-relay
  <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> No, it is mostly peaceful, there was something related to child abuse material here a couple weeks ago
• 04:00
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so instead of having consistent chaos like in the monero discord, you have peace occasionally punctuated by hell in the monero space
• 04:00
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> makes sense
• 04:01
  m-relay
  <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The glowies in this room want to keep it peaceful so we keep discussing about it
• 04:01
  m-relay
  <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> 😄
• 04:01
  m-relay
  <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> The glowies in this room want to keep it peaceful so we keep discussing about it and not distract ourselves
• 04:04
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Secret exposed
• 04:04
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> “Recanman has car accident”
• 04:24
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> well it being peaceful is a nice change of pace
• 04:48
  lza_menace
  most of the specific stuff gets funneled to other, more specific channels. this room seems to be more like a help/support/guidance/general discussion. more active chat is in #monero-pools
• 05:11
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> #monero-pools?
• 05:11
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> im not in that room
• 05:14
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> bro ye got an invite up there?
• 05:15
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> is that the monero mining channel but its named pools
• 05:41
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> anyone got the invite
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> to #monero pools
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Join it yourself
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> #monero-pools:monero.social
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shiiit
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> nvm
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i figured out how to
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> search spaces
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Yep
• 05:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i am now liking matrix/element more
• 05:43
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> only gripe i have about it is no in depth search like if i want to find an image i search "has: image"
• 05:43
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> eh still good, though
• 16:29
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> on a mining related topic, i found this
• 16:29
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ebay.com/itm/204381517887
• 16:29
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> a 40k hashrate chip for fourty six and a half dollars
• 16:30
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i very literally do not know how or why sellers are selling such high grade cpus for about as much as two scientific calculators
• 16:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also this ebay.com/itm/284933910731
• 16:46
  sech1
  Because these chips are almost indestructible
• 16:46
  sech1
  motherboards, on the other hand...
• 16:47
  sech1
  try to find one
• 16:47
  sech1
  so lots of still working chips, and no motherboards to put them into
• 17:09
  LyzaL
  hm somebody has been consolidating a *lot* of outputs
• 17:17
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aight bet
• 17:19
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ebay.com/itm/386065878645
• 17:20
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ez
• 17:20
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 65 dollar for a duel socket LGA2011-V3
• 17:20
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> there are 45 of the on ebay, actually
• 17:20
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> there are 45 of them on ebay, actually
• 17:23
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> slap some ram on it and a random usb stick to boot off of or something and you have an 80k hashrate setup for like
• 17:23
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 200
• 17:26
  m-relay
  <c​rypero:gnulinux.club> The only issue is piss poor efficiency (if you care about profit)
• 17:27
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> tf you mean efficency
• 17:27
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it does 80k hashes for little over 400 watts
• 17:27
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> assuming a duel setup
• 17:28
  m-relay
  <c​rypero:gnulinux.club> I was looking at xmrbench for a skylake xeon. It averaged 9.7kh with a power consumption of 100watts
• 17:29
  m-relay
  <c​rypero:gnulinux.club> Unless I'm dumber than rocks and din't look deep enough, lol.
• 17:30
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Intel chip are less efficient than AMD chips since Ryzen exit so I really doubt you can do 80kh for 400W
• 17:31
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Intel chip are less efficient than AMD chips since Ryzen exist so I really doubt you can do 80kh for 400W
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <c​rypero:gnulinux.club> Found what I should have seen: xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=Intel%28R%2…n%28R%29+CPU+E7-8890+v4+%40+2.20GHz
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculat…731.45210000&ha=KH&hc=200&hs=0&hq=1
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yes maybe it aint accurate, but assuming 500W power consumption, even in 0.1/kWh prices you get a decent chunk of cash
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> its accurate enough from what i have seen, though
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also if you get cheaper electricity than 0.1/kWh this is well efficient enough to earn lots of profit
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <c​rypero:gnulinux.club> You do earn money. I need to get it asap XD
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <c​rypero:gnulinux.club> cryptocompare.com/mining/calculator…152&CostPerkWh=0.12&MiningPoolFee=0
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> naw jit each chip's tdp is 165 and does 40k hashes
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> combined is 330 watts for 80k hashes, round up a bit and you get 400 watts
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> round up more and you get 500 watts but its still fire
• 17:32
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Intel TDP is only when boost is off
• 17:33
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> oh
• 17:33
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> expect double that if the CPU actually run full bore
• 17:33
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> so probably more like 600W for 40kh
• 17:33
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shi i have to measure that then
• 17:33
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> so i need 0.05/kWh to be as profitable or something
• 17:33
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> eh cant be that bad
• 17:33
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> so probably more like 300W for 40kh
• 17:34
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it's a steal if you can find cheap power, basically
• 17:34
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 150 day break-even point assuming 0.05/kWh and 1kw for the entire setup
• 17:35
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> According to the 40Kh bench you guys linked, it's for 4 CPU setupe7-8890
• 17:35
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> oups
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> ignore (correction incomming
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> w h a t
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> naw jit what
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yeah, each cpu are 24 cores
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> you need 4 for 96 cores
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 96 cores will give you 40khz
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <c​rypero:gnulinux.club> Lol. It was
• 17:36
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit
• 17:37
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> now i have to actually read the benchmarks
• 17:37
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> goddamn xmrig
• 17:37
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Expect over 1200W if running at full bore
• 17:37
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> naw jit real question is
• 17:37
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> where the mfs finding 4 socket boards
• 17:40
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> ok i think i should actually start
• 17:40
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> reading the xmrig benchmarks for details
• 17:40
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> point taken
• 17:41
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> also
• 17:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> does anyone have a spreadsheet version of xmrig's benchmark page?
• 17:42
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> it would be significantly less of a pain in the ass to analyze
• 17:45
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> fuck i just realized every server listing on xmrig benchmark is
• 17:45
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 2 cpus
• 17:46
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> does this mean i should seek out desktop cpus?
• 17:46
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The one you linker earlier are for 4 cpus
• 17:46
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> 2 cpus or more
• 17:46
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> sorry, corrected
• 17:46
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Get Ryzen for max efficiency
• 17:46
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 3000 or 5000 serie with samsung b-die
• 17:48
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> blud most of these used ryzen's do less than an equivalent server chip even when considering the fact that most of them are 2/4 cpu benchmarks
• 17:49
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> i really need to make that spreadsheet i was talking about
• 17:50
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 40kh for >1000w (Intel server CPU, 4 cpu)
• 17:50
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 18kh for ~120w (AMD Desktop CPU)
• 17:50
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> so would be like 300w for over 40kh with amd
• 17:51
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Should go in #xmrmine:matrix.org , that way you can ask more actual miners that don't monitor this channel
• 17:51
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> maybe threadrippers will be beter?
• 17:51
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> yeah but there is the factor of cost ,though
• 17:52
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> these intel server chips can be found for 50 dollars a pop or so
• 17:52
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> that singular amd desktop cpu costs more than that 4 cpu setup
• 17:52
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Threadripper are not better if you consider price and performance per cores.
• 17:52
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> More core, at full bore, they run slower than ryzen cores
• 17:52
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> aight
• 17:52
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> True, Old Intel server stuff are cheaper
• 17:52
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> but way less efficient
• 17:53
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> so at the end it depend how you pay for power... if it's actually worth it
• 17:56
  m-relay
  <x​x_raxer_xx:matrix.org> eh for me i am planning to mine in a country with 0.02/kWh elec prices so yeah it works better for me
• 20:44
  pi0
  creating a wallet via monero wallet gui, what does it mean by bootstrap, and how do i select a server?
• 23:31
  LyzaL
  <pi0> bootstrap means your daemon will serve blocks etc from random nodes until it is fully synced. if you want to manually set a remote node, which I would recommend, select advanced mode