<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I am really tempted to like xmr but I disagree with what it stands for

xmr is currency, what can a currency stand for?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Xmr stands for monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> ...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> violent rhetoric: what did want xmr to stand for?

<r​anger_emdin:matrix.org> ok i think you mean anonymity and stuff. so hu you do you, your wrong, but freedom is what matters. and XMR gives you freedom with your money, just like how you can say freely that you dont like it. :D

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Oh, theyre saying that they dont like what MOE stands for?

hi all

i bet this is an interesting channel

how's it going?

i have a question

how hard is it to go from buying Monero with a debit card to having a 100% anonymous Monero wallet?

Could the steps be as simple as generating a new Monero wallet offline and transferring the funds from the wallet you set up with your debit card to your info to the new wallet? Or do i need to use a shuffler?

scratch that last line. i had a typo.

Could the steps be as simple as generating a new Monero wallet offline and transferring the funds from the wallet you set up with your debit card to the new wallet? Or do i need to use a shuffler?

there's the corrected version

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> hello

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> my atomic swap has an absurd transaction fee, how do I get it to charge a decent fee?

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Relative bound of transaction fees reached. Falling back to: 1200.00 sats

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Deposit at least 0.000412 BTC to cover the min quantity with fee!

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Waiting for Bitcoin deposit deposit_address=blah min_deposit=0.000412 BTC max_giveable=0 BTC

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> minimum_amount=0.0004 BTC maximum_amount=0.00097739 BTC

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Received Bitcoin new_balance=0.00097739 BTC max_giveable=0.00063477 BTC

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Determined swap amount amount=0.00063477 BTC fees=0.00034262 BTC

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Relative bound of transaction fees reached. Falling back to: 1904.31 sats

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Relative bound of transaction fees reached. Falling back to: 1904.31 sats

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Starting new swap swap_id=7703d73b-a747-4ef4-ab0a-25a48bff4cd6

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Published Bitcoin transaction txid=blah kind=lock

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> Waiting for Alice to lock Monero

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> ie. BTC fees=0.00034262

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> that's like $15

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> how do I stop alice from giving the chinese miners all my money?

200k txs in the btc mempool

why does anyone use that shitcoin

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> digital gold hehe

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> because normies have cashapp

I know someone that withdrew btc from an exchange yesterday, a fee of ~80000 sats lolol

over $30

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> weirdly, the thing says 1200 sats, and says 1900 sats somewhere else

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> then proceeds to rob me blind? Anyway, the money is gone, but why can't I tell the comint swap program how much fee I want?

those are cheap fees rn

probably will wait a long time to get in a block

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> I had a $2 fee a couple of hours ago. I'd rather have some information about fees before I commit to transacting

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> it said: Relative bound of transaction fees reached. Falling back to: 1904.31 sats

I have never used atomic swaps .shrug

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> I guess this is a relative fee, sats/UNIT, whatever UNIT is?

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> anyway rip money, swaps bad

what is this m-relay

how does that work

a bridge between irc and matrix

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> yes I am on app.element.io 's matrix client

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> matrix.to/#/#monero:monero.social

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> this is the room

so if i buy monero with my debit card, then transfer all of my money to an offline generated wallet, am i then anonymous?

i mean is my monero wallet then anonymous

there's no way to link the 2 so it must be anonymous

then i can transfer the funds to a more stable offline wallet using a cryptocurrency like bitcoin

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> IRS can audit your transaction womp womp

if they can't see the blockchain how can they audit it

what's womp womp

to me, that indicates that they can't audit it

i would think it would be a good idea for some entrepreneurs to start working on a new private cryptocurrency in the event that monero is cracked

<r​ails11326206827:matrix.org> Womp womp wompwompwomp.com

i'm not taking up trombone playing any time soon

i'm kind of curious what the point is of using matrix to chat here when you can just use a vpn or tor

seeing highly political usernames like redstarcomrade and shroomreactionary in a monero channel kind of makes me wonder

are they seriously committed to a particular political cause or more interested in the ego-identified-aesthetics

lol

is that it though?

it seems like there shouldn't need to be any more to it than that

step one: buy monero however you please, even if it's very personally identifiable

step two: transfer all of your funds to a wallet generated offline

you now have private banking

anonymous banking

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i have btc and i want to convert to xmr. but the fees are insane rn. is there anything i can do?

<i​love9999:matrix.org> is btc -> btc lightning an option to avoid these fees? or will i still have to pay absurd transaction fees

<i​love9999:matrix.org> very confused on what i need to do rn

Find someone who wants BTC for XMR

<i​love9999:matrix.org> but ill still have to pay transactxion fees

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i dont get it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> where is your btc?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Is it on a cex?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if so: i may be able to help

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> or is it already in self-custody (your own wallet)

<i​love9999:matrix.org> my own wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> welcome to bitcoin

<i​love9999:matrix.org> whats the difference if u dont mind me asking?

<i​love9999:matrix.org> bro my btc doubled in amount

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Pay the fee to secure the blockchain

<i​love9999:matrix.org> so i literally doubled my moeny

<i​love9999:matrix.org> and now that i want to convert

<i​love9999:matrix.org> the transaction fees will literally take all my earnings

<i​love9999:matrix.org> so its as if i did not double my moey

<i​love9999:matrix.org> lmfao

<i​love9999:matrix.org> this is actually so fucked

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats how bitcoin works

<i​love9999:matrix.org> what about btc to lighting

<i​love9999:matrix.org> cant i avoid transaction fees like that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Withiut fees, network security goes down

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i dont know too much abt lighting network

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Use a coin that isnt broken by design

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Litecoin is usually a fast and liquid swap pair for xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bitcoin can only handle 600ktx/day. Thats less than almost any major city in north america

<i​love9999:matrix.org> so whats my best course of action

<i​love9999:matrix.org> to put my btc on the lighting network?

<i​love9999:matrix.org> and then convert?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> pay the fee

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You have to pay to put it on LN

<i​love9999:matrix.org> ...

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats why ln is broken

<i​love9999:matrix.org> so what the fuck is the point of low fee lighting

<i​love9999:matrix.org> if i have to put the fee

<i​love9999:matrix.org> pay*

<i​love9999:matrix.org> this is such rape

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It takes 40+ years to onboard 7billion people

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Scamming normies

<i​love9999:matrix.org> is there downtime

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Thats why.. we monero

<i​love9999:matrix.org> like will the fee rate change

<i​love9999:matrix.org> if i wait a few hours

<i​love9999:matrix.org> or will i just have to bite the fucking bullet and accept the rape

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mempool.space

<i​love9999:matrix.org> does this track the fee?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bitinfocharts.com/comparison/bitcoin-median_transaction_fee.html#3m

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Both of those links show fees

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The first shows you the current blockchain cingestion

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> txstreet.com/v/btc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is a visual one

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i dont know how to read mempools like i have no idea what i am looking at

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> See the boxes at the top

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On the left in yellow/orange, are how many blocks are waiting

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bitcoin does 1 block every 10 mins. There are 329 blocks in the queue

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On the right, in purple, are confirmed blocks. It shows the actual fees paid on each block

<i​love9999:matrix.org> from this chat

<i​love9999:matrix.org> chart

<i​love9999:matrix.org> it looks like btc fees are on the high end now

<i​love9999:matrix.org> and maaybe will go down

<i​love9999:matrix.org> cuz last week its 2-3

<i​love9999:matrix.org> now its 7%

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Eirher way, fees wre >$25 earlier today

<i​love9999:matrix.org> how do i determine the best time to exchange

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Btc fees _have_ to go up and stay up ~50/tx

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or btc has to go to 70k

<i​love9999:matrix.org> is there a better way to track this besides checking rates every few hours like a monkey

<i​love9999:matrix.org> cuz i just want to convert everything to xmr alry

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i was you, id take the loss

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> and never use btc again

<i​love9999:matrix.org> the rate rn is too fucked

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> but im not you. So, youre free to be a masochist

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i dont choose to use btc. others jsut use it unfortnately

<i​love9999:matrix.org> so i have to accept it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No you dont

<i​love9999:matrix.org> basically what i am asking is

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tell them to use trocador in payment mode

<i​love9999:matrix.org> are there any other sites or charts i should be looking at rn

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And accept xmr

<i​love9999:matrix.org> it confuses them and they just decide not to proceed. the ppl im dealing with are retarded

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i absolutely am not accepting your pet rock chains

<i​love9999:matrix.org> what is pet rock chains

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> nioc has one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Create an anonpay link

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Bitcoin

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You cant spend it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can just look at it and admire it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its a pet rock

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> it doesnt _do_ anything

<i​love9999:matrix.org> yeah

<i​love9999:matrix.org> my btc doubled in value and it means nothing since the transaction fees rapes all my earnings

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> this is by design

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> You VILL pay ze fee

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> sell all at once? I don't know why people trip over such small amounts of money...your life won't be changed if your $12.50 turned into $25

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> also, you could use a decent wallet and set a $2 fee while you wait for it to confirm next week

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> well I just think monetary anonymity/privacy is a huge factor was to why economies have become so shit

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> class/wealth inequality

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> for instance

<s​hroomreactionary:matrix.org> I just don't want big daddy auditing my transactions

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> its been 'rules for thee & not for me' forever. xmr levels the playing field

<a​qua:aquatica.space> I see that you are talking about transaction fees, could you please link me an article where they explain how they work in Monero?

Maybe this is a good starting point: gomonero.com/transaction-fees

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> OK so why not campaign to get rid of the corruption and not make the tools for available for everyone

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> tax evasion/money laundering is bad in most cases no matter who does it

<a​qua:aquatica.space> Thanks!

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> do you not want free healthcare or education?

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> nope

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> or decent public infrastructure?

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> we wouldn't need a fraction of it if we weren't debt slaves

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> wdym

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> if free education existed it wouldn't be a problem

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> why is free healthcare bad?

<o​ortcloud42> because americans think its communism

because it's not free to provide healthcare, and it can be infinite resource sink for even a single person

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> taxpayer funding? (like every other developed nation)

so what? it's still an infinite resource sink

except profits are privatized and costs are nationalized

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> works pretty well in countries that try it

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> government services aren't there to profit

it doesn't

they are

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> yes it does

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I don't have to drive to the hospital bc its cheaper

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I can take an ambulance

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> its astonishing how people can defend these practices

yes, and that guy pays for the ambulanse, so you get the profit and he pays the cost

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> a monero based economy would have the highest wealth inequality ever seen

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> and completely unregulated

wealth inequality is exactly the thing that allows humanity to deploy capital-intensive production, like computers manufacturing

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> you seriously gonna boot lick like that?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> this view IRL is considered pretty deranged btw

you seriously gonna throw around ad hominems like that and expect anyone to keep entertaining you?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> what have I said?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> I only call out stupidity

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> In all discussions of equality, it is considered self-evident that

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> equality is a very worthy goal. But this is by no means self-evi-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> dent. For the very goal of equality itself is open to serious chal-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> lenge. The doctrines of praxeology are deduced from three uni-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> versally acceptable axioms: the major axiom of the existence of

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> purposive human action; and the minor postulates, or axioms, of

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> the diversity of human skills and natural resources, and the disu-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> tility of labor. Although it is possible to construct an economic

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> theory of a society without these two minor axioms (but not

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> without the major one), they are included in order to limit our

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> theorizing to laws that can apply directly to reality. 9 Anyone

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> who wants to set forth a theory applicable to interchangeable

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> human beings is welcome to do so.

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Thus, the diversity of mankind is a basic postulate of our

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> knowledge of human beings. But if mankind is diverse and indi-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> viduated, then how can anyone propose equality as an ideal?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> ancap propaganda

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> But the egalitarian is in even direr straits, for it can be shown

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> that equality of income is an impossible goal for mankind. Income can never be equal. Income must be considered, of

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> course, in real and not in money terms; otherwise there would

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> be no true equality. Yet real income can never be equalized. For

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> how can a New Yorker’s enjoyment of the Manhattan skyline be

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> equalized with an Indian’s? How can the New Yorker swim in

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> the Ganges as well as an Indian? Since every individual is nec-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> essarily situated in a different space, every individual’s real

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> income must differ from good to good and from person to per-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> son. There is no way to combine goods of different types, to

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> measure some income “level,” so it is meaningless to try to

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> arrive at some sort of “equal” level. The fact must be faced that

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> equality cannot be achieved because it is a conceptually impossi-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> ble goal for man, by virtue of his necessary dispersion in loca-

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> tion and diversity among individuals. But if equality is an absurd

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> (and therefore irrational) goal, then any effort to approach

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> cdn.mises.org/Man,%20Economy,%20and…20with%20Power%20and%20Market_2.pdf

WALL OF TEXT o_O

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> "The Impossiblity of Equality" Pages 1308-1312

I think there are quite a wide range of views on this in the Monero community.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> how about CBDC?

jokeman203: I think also ones perspective on how govt works can vary wildly based on ones own experiences. If you live in Argentina or Venezuela, you might have WAY less trust in your govt making good decisions, than if you live in say, Scandinavia

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> fair enough

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> ancaps don't have the IQ to think differently

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> fair enough, this is a really good point in this case I am mainly talking about this in the context of first world nations

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> social safety nets have proven to work

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> unregulated capitalism has not

for what it's worth, i think greedy people and social power structures can and will undermine any attempts to create equality

communist regimes are some of the best examples of this

democratic socialism really is as good as it gets, realistically speaking, unfortunately

i have a question about wallets

ask away smartguy

what is the most anonymous and secure wallet for monero. is it paper?

heh. "wallet" is pretty fluffy here. you have the actual software, and then you have the keys to drive it.

"fluffy"?

so this doens't work like bitcoin?

sure it does

but a piece of paper or words chiesesled on a sheet of metal, are hardly a wallet, more like keys

ok

i'm more interested in practical application than terminology

If you want to safely store your xmr, perhaps the best ways is to generate keys on a device that is not online - e.g. dice or just using the official wallet on an old laptop or rapsberry pi ore something

and then write down seed words on paper if you like, and reformat the machine

that's what i was thinking

or you could use a hw wallet

use an old laptop with tails or something

sure that can work

what are the advantages of a hw wallet

you should in any case have multiple physical backups of your keys

over paper

the advantage of a hw wallet is that you in theory have a device that will not let your private keys be on a hackable machine that could be reached from the internet / by malware / virii etc - allowing you to check your balance and send funds, without exposing your private key...

how do you check your balance if it's not connected to the internet

hw wallet talks to your monero wallet software via usb

it CAN provide the public key to the monero wallet software, allowing the moner owallet to scan and find incoming transactions

seem like a good way to compromise anonymity. that's my main goal.

and then when you want to spend, the monero wallet sw creates a transaction, and passes it to the hw wallet, which signs it with the private key - just like for bitcoin

to maintain anonymity.

sure, aquiring the hw wallet might be anonymit-y-challenging (as some experienced with the Ledger hack of their customer database ...)

i need to do all my dealings over anonymous networks and i don't know how much fenagling ill need to do to accomplish that with a hw wallet

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> it is the best ideology period

jokeman203: what is?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> democratic socialism

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> socialism but without the major problems of socialism

i think there needs to be some room for private enterprise though

smartguy: If we stick to Ledger, you would need to contact their website to download and install the monero application, so there are some potential anonymity challenges there. But once you have it set up, there really aren't - it jsut communicates with your monero wallet, which talks to either your own hosted node (highly recommended) or some other node

i have to buy a vps for this?

you do not HAVE to buy a vps

in general (for both BTC and XMR) it is recommended to run your own node tho

or at least use a known good node

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> or some form of free market I agree

jokeman203: I wonder how much of the health care system in Europe has gained from the research and development in the US health sector, that would never be financed by democratic socialist governments, but IS financed due to the more capitalist leaning US system ...

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> and most socialists do believe in some form of free market btw

I think you can spend all day arguing what is the best specific position between democratic socialism and capitalism ... and it is likely not clear cut and possibly a general good that there IS variance there.

why do you have to worry about nodes? i thought cryptocurrencies work on their own, with other people doing the dirty work

smartguy: sure, but where do you get the new blocks from? and how do you submit your transactions to the network?

software?

Indeed.

Specifically, NODE software

so i can access that stuff when i need it

i don't need to host a node to get that stuff

the network is run by nodes. and you need to interact with them. And sure, your wallet can talk to the nodes, it isn't an absolute requirement to host your own

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> but I do like the principle of monero

i just want to use a paper wallet.

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> but not its application

set it and forget it

what problems could i encounter not hosting a node

and not using a hot wallet

or hw wallet

none

right?

< smartguy> set it and forget it <-- not sure what that even means. do you just want an address others can SEND xmr to? then yes, easy peasy, create your paper wallet and the xmr address and donw.

when you submit a transaction to a node, that node would know the IP adress it was submitted from (except if a TOR / i2p node). Probalby not an issue if you know what you are doing.

if you host your own node, then that issue goes away

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> could monero fix wealth inequality?

jokeman hell no

jokeman203: I think that is beyond the scope of Moner

o

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> why not

Inge, maybe ill get a hardware wallet and a tor router

and connect it through that

Your usecase/threat model is a little unclear to me, so not so easy to provide recommendations. But yes, if you want to be able to receive and send funds regularly, then a hw wallet still seams like a good solution, as it makes it easy enough to send, while not exposing your private keys - effectively a "cold" wallet

wealth inequality isn't a bad thing in my opinion, as long as it doesn't get out of hand like it very much has for a long time

a piece of paper is kind of difficult for regular spending...

i'm trying to accomplish anonymous banking

so to speak

Right. monero-cli on Tails with a hw wallet seems reasonable

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Taxation is theft. And there is no thing as "money laundering."

what hardware wallet connects through anonymous networks by default?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> no it isn't its called not embracing selflishness and caring about those less fortunate than you

hardware wallets don't connect to anything other than your computer or phone

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> got ancaps are dumb

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> god ancaps are dumb

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Read your hoppe.

it is just a way to separate the private key from the computer (or phone) running the monero wallet software

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> *crickets* 🤔

buy you can accomplish that by using a paper wallet

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> \>wants enforced taxation

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> \>calls others boot-licker

right?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> you bootlick capitalists that don't care about you and do nothing for you

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> stupid ancap

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Don''t use it then. Because surely we won't change it for you.

government officials don't have your best interest in mind either jokeman

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Suck my xmr stack.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Reminds me of cash. Never gets used for illegal/dodgy stuff

do your parents know what you're doing online k4r

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> all ancaps just don't have the IQ for... anything to be honest

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Must use stack wallet?

<j​okeman203:hackliberty.org> given you are ancap, I would ask the same question

something about hot cocoa on a cold night

i appreciate the help Inge

any time smartguy

speaking of hardware wallets x.com/rektbuildr/status/1732542258698694875

I don't know if monero is included in "ledger live"

I don't believe it is. But you do use their sw to install the monero app to the Ledger device.

<a​ncientstar:matrix.org> thats right, also to update the app and the firmware

<e​rquint:matrix.org> Yo.

<e​rquint:matrix.org> I'm trying to use `check_blockchain_pruning` monerod RPC command and it just hangs.

<e​rquint:matrix.org> What's the expected result?

<e​rquint:matrix.org> Oh, apparently that needed an eternity to warm up. Now it's spamming "Prunable data found" in red text. Cool, I guess.

<e​rquint:matrix.org> Does it save any information to the database or does it just output the log for the user only?

<e​rquint:matrix.org> Does it save any useful information to the database or does it just output the log for the user only?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> log

<e​rquint:matrix.org> Alright. Then since it's already reporting a bunch of pruned data, I'm convinced it's pruned and would like to return monerod to normal operation. I'm assuming there's no command to do that, so I'll just kill and restart the daemon.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Once you start pruning, it will continue pruning forever.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so yes, you can just restart the daemon in normak operation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can also confirm pruning eith --log-level 1 (maybe 2) and grep for pruning

<s​hadow:simplifiedprivacy.is> Pro/Con of Anonymous Monero VPS Hosts:

<s​hadow:simplifiedprivacy.is> simplifiedprivacy.com/vps

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Basically there more expensive then normal

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> OMG MY HEROOO

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is any one them in switzerland and using green energy

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> How's malaysia for privacy

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> probably something something china and 14 eyes-like thing

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Seychelles 🤔

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/lfmQJxokLlxaOwoH4ZLNitVW8uaWgIDd

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > 40 USD per month for switzerland VPS

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ughh

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why is it such a pain to get decent VPS with monero

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I like my energy black like coal

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that's why you don't get snow in december

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who the hell wants snow

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/yjxeLbBtHbYXRb5gK35ydKMbmhFXZQCe

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔 could this be profitable?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Like 70000%

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Who's crazy prices are these

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 6C/12T @ 3.20GHz without paying for electricity 🤔

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> im confused

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Where do you plan to make money?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's a miner node no?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i'm assuming its for a public node?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> oh

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> sad

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> just a node

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> xmrig.com/benchmark?cpu=Intel%28R%2…n%28R%29+CPU+E5-2620+v3+%40+2.40GHz

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not even a vps

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> gonna say my node is in an lxc with 2gb

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 6531.08 Hashrate 🤔

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Just a node (?)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> 16gb is high

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/rWY31DZLooBDsBo8Iv44hLAE0AuP7aZp

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> wouldn't make enough sadly

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Check zephyr

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> zephyr?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its like rumplestiltskin

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> emoji survey

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Turning thread into gold

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> too common name on search engine

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mine it on c3pool

Help ME find the money tree

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which is like moneroocean, but with way lower fees

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> people still do moneroocean when p2pool are a thing?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Zephyr has a MC of 70m

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And 12 zeph block reward at lije 25$

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So like 280/block with 1.7gh global hash

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the website looks like shitcoin

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Wheres the free mobey come from? The idiots were dumping zeph onto

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> NGU traders who keep buying this hot trash

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It is a shitcoin

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> poor monero people keep forking that into trash

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its ok

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> We needed the pump

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> So hurry up and dump the pump by minibg the fuck out of it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then once its worthless, and its market cap has arbitraged into xmr over and over, go back to xmr

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> sus

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Without c3pool etc, it would probably have a MC over 300m

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But xmr is pumping cuz pools are dumping zeph on noobs, ans buying xmr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And noobs keep yoloing into th&s trash

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/AWO42r53lfS1RI93gMZ8ZmUfGE2hRgEV

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> when they should be buying xmr

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> there are servers in the german weebtown?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Idk wut yur screenshot is

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Dusseldorf in germany is japan town

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> you need to lower your resolution 🤬 killing the fishes

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and it's the imprezahost thing that accepts XMR

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I need 8K resolution for work~

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I mean, i dont recognize the website. Or know why youre sending

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> My eyes only work in 240p

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> cuz trying to stear the discussion back on people helping me get a VPS that i desperately need

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and can't figure out where to get it in a non-stupid way >_<

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so fucking say rhat

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> just did~

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but also felt like pointing out that germany has a weebtown

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Ty❤️‍🔥

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> vps to host what?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> task management software, email, calendar, nextcloud, funkwhale, conduit, etc..

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> personal stuff that none should have access to

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> thats alot

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 1 CPU is enough for that

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> even 1 vCPU

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> all at once?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> yee

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and i want it somewhere outside of 14 eyes

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so probably switzerland the only sane option

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> interpol

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> KYC-free and paying with crypto

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> KYC-free and paying with XMR

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hm?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> tbh you'll only get kyc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> in the end its a vps on someones server

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> oh switzerland is in interpol

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So probably russia being able to request my data right

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> im a hook a monitor to my server and watch you

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> cant self host at home? and vpn

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ye.. was thinking about managing that by having encrypted storage that only gets accessed upon request through RAM

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> How to do that in a way that won't be tracable to the server's location

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> like i guess onion service

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> which won't really work for matrix (conduit.rs)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> nextcloud, calender and task management i would do at home and vpn in. If your the only one using it

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and by then it seems that i would have to do some form of VPN so either cloudflare or paying someone at lokinet

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> me and bf

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> potentially more people over the time

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> yeah matrix is different

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> lokinet seems to be sane way for VPN as the provider doesn't know who is connecting to the VPN

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so technically them only seeing encrypted element stuff

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> you can run a vpn from home?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i just run firezone at home and vpn in that way

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ye but i don't want people to figure out where the server is

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> i2p or tor?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i2p doesn't seem to provide the required security so i was thinking that to prevent geolocation of the server to use lokinet's VPN

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bcs it goes to clearweb

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i2p doesn't seem to provide the required privacy so i was thinking that to prevent geolocation of the server to use lokinet's VPN

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or doing something like paying for cheap VPN with XMR and setting up that tor2clear thing

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so that it's accessing onions and providing clearweb

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so that the whole server would be on onions and only had disposable VPNs that provide the onions for clears like matrix

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> tor2web.org afaik this thing can be set up that way

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and it would probably have the added benefit of people being able to use onion service for matrix

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> basically multi-layer encryption to the exit node and entry management similar that of tor

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero Offtopic

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 😶‍🌫️

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> @_@