<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/CdcXvltUbrorSnEIwoopgyLW

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It's so over 😔.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…iberty.org/LDWtygoCBThaBtjXmLtMbQHG

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> **XRP 🚀**

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> reverse curerncy of the world

why would you not just dump your illicit btc onto bisq

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> They found me!

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Greed

greed? i see bisq trades complete at over 10% premium all the time. of course thats xmr -> btc. other way around not so much but you can move big numbers quickly

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> When laundering your filthy Al Qaeda coins through Monero, a certain loss is acceptable 🕵️

couple months ago i saw a guy dump like 25btc for xmr at like 2% loss

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Smart guy.

<h​bs:matrix.org> At last Binance announced it is delisting XMR \o/

<b​asses:matrix.org> github.com/jermanuts/bad-opsec

<m​obley:converser.eu> Binance is delisting xmr 🫣

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Old news

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> This is going to keep coming up -.-

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Should we sell it all now ? Are we going to zero

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Tired of holding it for half a decade

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Short!

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> And zero improvements

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Short to liquidation ?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> The great monero reset

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> To zero and then monero 2.0 with seraphis by 2040

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yest

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> If it goes to zero we can buy core?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Thanks for the insight I will dump my 0.1 xmr

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Core coup time

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Empty all wallets, burn it all

<b​asses:matrix.org> Are there are exchanges that delisted Zcash?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Its funny how people are shocked, we could see it coming a mile away.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Doubt it they have t addresses and lobby

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Recently ? No

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Dev tax used to bribe

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tbh i dont really care

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Yah let’s just dump xmr and move on

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Omg a private and Untracable coin is getting delisted by doj 🙀

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ^ this is my shocked face

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> What’s next ? No SSL

<h​bs:matrix.org> VPNs will go first, except NordVPN

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Linux next

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Better start monero mesh network

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Line of sight

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> lowendtalk.com/discussion/192529/hu…ething-better-than-the-linux-kernel

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I thought Monero policy was meant to help Monero

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Plz write harshly worded letter

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/aJWKlZmbxbsYoRMZoVIdaEuN

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Extremist?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> There's nothing extremist about using Monero

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Monero is extremist for bankers

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Just because some people apply that label to the project because it competes with their interest, doesn't mean we have to perpetrate that bullshit

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And this applies particularly to the "extremist" wannabe larpers who try to shoehorn the project into whatever political ideals they may have, in their small corner of the world, as if they applied to everyone else

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Monero is money. People use money. The end.

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> And same applies to ppl who run conferences and talk more about dnm adoption and do zero work on mainstream adopting monero

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I thought that's what r/Monero was for.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> SSL 😂 Boomer.

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> So what’s it termed nowadays

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> TLS.

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> TrasherDK: why did you dump all your monero ?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Eh, what?

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> It is really hard to find monero guys in DK. Do they really exist ? :)

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I wouldn't know. I haven't been there for a decade.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> My server is still located in Denmark though.

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> Are you able to speak Danish still ?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> LOL, ja da. Hvad tror du?

He thought it was testnet

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I tried to sell them at 10 cent on the dollar, but nobody stepped up.

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> Jeg kan ikke talle det

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Anyways, this is a English speaking forum, so that's what I speak.

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> Hey does anyone know a list of free up to date monero RPC nodes?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I could only find 1 RPC node but it doesn't support restore_deterministic_wallet it seems

monero.fail

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> aren't those just nodes that host the monero blockchain?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I see no filter by rpc nodes

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I get

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ```-32601: Method not found

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> RPC request: 'restore_deterministic_wallet' with params: {"password":"mypass","filename":"mywallet","seed":"myseed","language":"English"}

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ``` on all of them

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> is it formatted incorrectly or are the nodes not up to date or sonething?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I get

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ```

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> -32601: Method not found

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> RPC request: 'restore_deterministic_wallet' with params: {"password":"mypass","filename":"mywallet","seed":"myseed","language":"English"}

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ``` on all of them

...are you sending your seed out to publicly listed monero nodes??

remote node would be monerod

you need wallet-rpc still

where you send such request

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> Just using a seed for a wallet I just created obviously

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> what do you mean I need wallet-rpc still?

there are two components in what are you trying to do

are you on linux?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yes

what are you trying is getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I am using a monero java library

you have monero-wallet-rpc in bin folder or near?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I know

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> Im trying to use the "restore_deterministic_wallet" rpc function

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yes I do

my experience with wallet-rpc and remote node is not the best

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> well the library I'm using is a wrapper for this basically

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I have a connection to a daemon

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> and a connection to an rpc node

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> but when I go to call the function from the rpc node I get that error

you have local node?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> no like I said Im connected to a daemon

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> a node hosting the blokchain

so remote?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yes

but connected how?

you mean you are using lib to send request to it?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yes

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I just have a daemon object from the lib thats connected to the blockchain

daemon <-> wallet-rpc <-> library

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> the rpc node doesn't host the wallet files or anything right?

no, your host that locally

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ah yeah okay

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> so if you want to recover your wallet from a seed you always have to pass your seed to the rpc node?

the opposite

never

all stuff is on your pc

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> so how can you get the rpc node to recover from your seed without sending it?

you don't deamon is for blockchain stuff

all wallet stuff, seed

happens with wallet-rpc

on your local pc

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> it says under "getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html" the mnemonic seed is passed

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> it says under restore_deterministic_wallet the mnemonic seed is passed

as I said

wallet-rpc is not remote node

two components, remote node, remote pc

wallet-rpc, local pc

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yes but I am trying to connect to an rpc node

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> aaah

library talks to wallet-rpc

what's why you get not found

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ```curl localhost:38083/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"0","method":"restore_deterministic_wallet","params":{"filename":"My Wallet","password":"mypassword123","seed":"awkward vogue odometer amply bagpipe kisses poker aspire slug eluded hydrogen selfish later toolbox enigma wolf tweezers eluded gnome soprano ladder broken jukebox lordship aspire","restore_height":0, "lan<clipped message>

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> guage":"English","seed_offset":"","autosave_current":true}}' -H 'Content-Type: application/json'

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> {

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "id": "0",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "jsonrpc": "2.0",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "result": {

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "address": "9wB1Jc5fy5hjTkFBnv4UNY3WfhUswhx8M7uWjZrwRBzH2uatJcn8AqiKEHWuSNrnapApCzzTxP4iSiV3y3pqYcRbDHNboJK",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "info": "Wallet has been restored successfully.",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "seed": "awkward vogue odometer amply bagpipe kisses poker aspire slug eluded hydrogen selfish later toolbox enigma wolf tweezers eluded gnome soprano ladder broken jukebox lordship aspire",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "was_deprecated": false

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> }

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> }

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ```

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> listen on the site

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> wait its not pasting correctly

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> curl localhost:38083/json_rpc -d '{"jsonrpc":"2.0","id":"0","method":"restore_deterministic_wallet","params":{"filename":"My Wallet","password":"mypassword123","seed":"awkward vogue odometer amply bagpipe kisses poker aspire slug eluded hydrogen selfish later toolbox enigma wolf tweezers eluded gnome soprano ladder broken jukebox lordship aspire","restore_height":0, "langua<clipped message>

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ge":"English","seed_offset":"","autosave_current":true}}' -H 'Content-Type: application/json'

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> {

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "id": "0",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "jsonrpc": "2.0",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "result": {

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "address": "9wB1Jc5fy5hjTkFBnv4UNY3WfhUswhx8M7uWjZrwRBzH2uatJcn8AqiKEHWuSNrnapApCzzTxP4iSiV3y3pqYcRbDHNboJK",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "info": "Wallet has been restored successfully.",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "seed": "awkward vogue odometer amply bagpipe kisses poker aspire slug eluded hydrogen selfish later toolbox enigma wolf tweezers eluded gnome soprano ladder broken jukebox lordship aspire",

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> "was_deprecated": false

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> }

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> }

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> you send your seed in the message

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> in this case to localhost, but since I'm using a remote rpc node, I send it to the remote rpc node no?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> No. Listen, or rest and come back to this problem. You are not understanding basic explanations.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> `monero-wallet-rps` is a _separate_ program that you run on your own machine.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> -rpc I mean

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You run that on your own machine if you are connecting to a remote node or if you are connecting to a local node..

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I know

<r​ucknium:monero.social> `monerod` is a separate process

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yes

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You send that RPC call to `monero-wallet-rpc` from whatever stack you are sending it from.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Which will be on your local machine

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The remote nodes do not run `monero-wallet-rpc` for you.

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> so then what does an rpc node do?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> (a remote rpc node)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> It keeps a database with the blockchain. It verifies the consensus rules of new blocks, relays txs from other nodes that it receives, and send txs to other nodes that it receives from wallet programs like `monero-wallet-rpc`

<r​ucknium:monero.social> And it gives data to wallet programs that allows them to check what txs the wallets have received.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Which is what syncing a wallet is.

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> isn't that the same as a normal monero node?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I just described a monero node. `monerod`

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ooooh

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I thought rpc nodes and normal nodes were 2 different things

<r​ucknium:monero.social> That's what a remote node is. Usually they have RPC access enabled.

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> aaah I see

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> I understand now

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> guess ill have to include the shared object files from the library that include the monero-wallet-rpc stuff

<r​ucknium:monero.social> But many people run `monerod` so that the RPC requests can only be received from their local machine.

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> got it thanks

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Are you building an application? A way someone can lose money?

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yeah well Im building for android, so I would rather not host the entire blockchain locally

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> yes

<r​ucknium:monero.social> using `monero-wallet-rpc` with a remote node is unreliable. The connection sometimes drops and doesn't reconnect. Strongly recommended to run your own local node.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Building for android? Go to #monero-community-dev:monero.social and ask for libraries and updated info on best practices.

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> like I said I don't think that's much of an option on mobile wallets

<t​homasdebock:matrix.org> ah alright, thanks

theres an app call "http shortcuts" that can make json requests

You can run monero-wallet-rpc with remote nodes. Yes its a PITA, but you can try to force reconnections to new daemons with "set_daemon"

App = for android and foss

<s​ecuencias:matrix.org> __*Binance delists Monero*__

<s​ecuencias:matrix.org> simplifiedprivacy.com/binance

"Withdrawal supported till May 20th" withdrawals are already dead on Binance

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Reset counter

the world is on fire. go on bisq and dump all your monero

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dump all in ccs

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Or on vtnerd magic proposal

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Happy that exchanges are delisting Monero. Less market manipulation and more stability for us also more deals on localmonero I hope

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Nice article

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Is it still possible to buy XMR on kraken?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yes

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Think so

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Time to register for account then xD

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> MEXC also have them, and it's no-kyc

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Anyone used this in Europe?

why arent you all just using bisq

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> not gonna lie simplifiedprivacy articles are useless. The conclusions are often super weird

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I use it from many EU countries

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> the fucking interface

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> I can't use a software running a 2 fps

stop computing on a 486dx

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Works with Fiat or swap only? Having dinner, so cannot check right now myself

snex: Why waiting for contract when you can just press-button?

bisq has fiat and many altcoins

RavFX: you can be a taker on bisq

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's a crypto only CEX

bisq is not a CEX at all..

Yeah, Bisq is not a CEX. Wen Haveno (I want the on/offramp directly in XMR)

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> one day ig, because at the moment Haveno had good idea and a promising UX, but then price fall cut them loose

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I want to buy some cheap XMR with Fiat. Thats it. All I ever used is XMR so buying XMR with XMR is not an option.

Now is your time stnby!

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I kind of have the same problem lol

localmonero/agoradesk

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Localmonero/agoradex is like the only one for now

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Yeee

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Work great, never had any problem with localmonero

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Kraken taking a while to verify my ID

going to zero

paypal won, xmr has been defeated

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Want to buy buy buy before my flight

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Imajin using Scampal in 2k24

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> looks like saberhagen and thankful_for_today dumped its coins lol

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> looks like saberhagen and thankful_for_today dumped their coins lol

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Yeah I am alao dumping my esoteric inflation bug coins

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Its ogre

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Yeah I am also dumping my esoteric inflation bug coins

gfdshygti53: most people do

it's the unfortunate reality

great_taste: Stopped using them after they stole money from me for the second time lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> agree

<b​asses:matrix.org> thedailybeast.com/8chan-users-migra…identally-revealing-their-locations

<b​asses:matrix.org> you are literally using a p2p network, expect to leak your IP. You should have used Tor

<b​asses:matrix.org> Anyways Zeronet is dead

imagine not just using i2p

<b​asses:matrix.org> There are people using it?

<b​asses:matrix.org> active?

<b​asses:matrix.org> I never tried it

yes i2p is active

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yeep

<b​asses:matrix.org> How active?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Does it have something like dread?

i think dread has an i2p mirror

it feels like the mid 90s internet if you were around then

irc, lots of "my homepage" sites

there are monero nodes

a decent torrent tracker (for linux isos)

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah, I heard many use it for torrenting

<b​asses:matrix.org> Tor not that great blog.torproject.org/bittorrent-over-tor-isnt-good-idea

most big clients dont support i2p and the safety of ones that do is questionable but i2p comes with an i2p-only torrent client

<b​asses:matrix.org> you mean support

<b​asses:matrix.org> github.com/BiglySoftware/BiglyBT/wiki/I2P

<b​asses:matrix.org> forum.qbittorrent.org/viewtopic.php?t=11085

<b​asses:matrix.org> you mean support i2p

yeah i dont know how safe those are about not leaking your IP since they operate on both networks

<i​stral:matrix.org> I've used I2P, what I disliked is that it can take 1-2 hours to become fully connected with the network to access every I2P site. Its not that good if you just want to open I2P once every week for 15mins.

thats why you just leave the router running forever in a daemon

<i​stral:matrix.org> What I did is left a I2P router running 24/7 on my Nas, and browse on my personal laptop using the SOCKS proxy that it provides you.

yeah

<i​stral:matrix.org> Just setup a second firefox profile thats only used for I2P.

exactly

<i​stral:matrix.org> I2P also has a bunch of Clearnet proxy sites that let you use non-I2P websites, just like Tor.

it does but you should be getting people to move to i2p rather than use outproxies

i want i2p to be in the kernel network stack lol

<i​stral:matrix.org> Bought XMR at 100, already at 12% gainz 🚀

<i​stral:matrix.org> Looks like its rebounding: pro.kraken.com/app/trade/xmr-usd

conspiracy take: binance was FRBing it and somebody caused a run, so binance did this to tank the price so they can cover

<i​love9999:matrix.org> fuck xmr droopped like crazy

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> It’s a sale

<i​love9999:matrix.org> depends on ur perspective

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i just lost a lot of fucking money

you had 1xmr yesterday. you still have 1xmr today. you havent lost anything

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Sold ? Or notional loss

<i​love9999:matrix.org> for ppl who use the xmr to transact. yeah they lost

<i​stral:matrix.org> The value will likely rebound, as XMR hasn't lost any utility, only 30% trading volume from Binance.

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> No they still have xmr, unless they wanted to settle in Fiat; they should have done it asap

how? because the sellers of goods and services raised their prices? welcome to literally every currency ever for the last 100 years

<i​love9999:matrix.org> back to 150-160?

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> you only lose if you sell it

in any case the fact that sellers of things have raised their prices does not mean you lost money

<i​love9999:matrix.org> yeah im just going to hold it

<i​love9999:matrix.org> but im seriously considering hodling in another coin and only using xmr for transactions now.

yeah that totally wont destroy you in fees. in fact go on bisq right now and dump all your xmr

<i​stral:matrix.org> People speculated Binance was suppressing the price, so it could rise above 150 over the next few months

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> My dream is buying gold with Monero.

<i​love9999:matrix.org> besides btc, the other coins arent raped in fees

i agree. log in to bisq and dump it all

<i​love9999:matrix.org> nah. no point. i have a few k in xmr sent to me daily for transactions so itll just be sent right back to me

<i​love9999:matrix.org> not gonna dump. just unhappy abt my wallet being 1/3'd

sounds like youre operating some kind of illegal business

<i​stral:matrix.org> Short term the price could fall to 80 or 50, but long term I believe the value will recover.

<i​love9999:matrix.org> bc im using xmr?

<i​love9999:matrix.org> lmfao

receiving multiple ks per day

<i​stral:matrix.org> Nothing illegal about using Monero 😛

<i​love9999:matrix.org> exactly. nothing illegal abt it

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> The problem with Monero is and has always been Esperanto.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Change it to something like german and it will go up smoothly and consistently.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Just rename it to Münze!

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i actually wonder if the price is gonna fall even further

<i​love9999:matrix.org> that would be completely fucked lmfao

<i​stral:matrix.org> as long as it eventually recovers...think of it as a sale

<i​stral:matrix.org> Bitcoin recovered all of it's massive crashes

<i​love9999:matrix.org> any new money i receive in xmr. i can think of this way. the money i currently alr have

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i can only think of it getting 1/3'd

<i​love9999:matrix.org> im not too worried bc i have stable income coming in but

<i​love9999:matrix.org> and more xmr to come

<i​love9999:matrix.org> but like

<i​love9999:matrix.org> imagine if i didnt have that, now i know why ppl kill themselves over stock market crashes lmfao

how come every time the US government prints a few trillion dollars you dont say "oh no my bank account just got 1/3"

<i​stral:matrix.org> However, if you think it will drop below 50, better to sell now and buy again at 50 etc. Im no investor so don't take my advice.

<i​stral:matrix.org> Speculation is a hell of a game.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Never ever sell = can't lose, it's still yours.

<i​love9999:matrix.org> well usually. if something costs 2 dollars at the store. the next day it wont cost 3.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> 1 Monero = 1 Monero

<i​stral:matrix.org> I myself am not selling since I'm in it for the long run.

<i​love9999:matrix.org> but this might be less and less true given the economy nowdays

<i​love9999:matrix.org> i might ride the boat...

<i​love9999:matrix.org> we will see

right it still costs $2 but you just have to work 33% harder to afford it

<i​love9999:matrix.org> yeah.

or its 33% shittier

<i​love9999:matrix.org> im not saying fiat is good either

<i​love9999:matrix.org> just wanted to say WTF as I just opened up my pc and now my funds are worth 33% less lmfao.

right but you are using fiat as your measuring stick

why

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> because no monero circular economies

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> adoption is everything

so start making them

<i​love9999:matrix.org> yes

you wont change the world

thats what they told hitler

but he tried and you aint trying

i try in direct proportion to the amount that i complain about things not being the way i want

also most who tried failed so you're likely to fail as well, I doubt you're exceptional

there will be no adoption, that would be a doomsday scenario

till then paypal will be king

and WU

cool. you can just send me all your monero now then. ill make sure it gets disposed of

I can just wait it to go to zero

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Damn kraken verification team is sleeping

if you send it now you wont have to deal with the stress of watching it go to 0

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Is Gate.io a bad exchange?

since its a centralized website and not a p2p anonymous dex, im gonna go with yes

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Kraken is a centralized website too I think right?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes

<j​osephrodriguez2314> Is everyone here bots ?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes

<j​osephrodriguez2314> Oh shit

<j​osephrodriguez2314> Ai?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Yes, we are here to manipulate you for buying our shitcoin.

<j​osephrodriguez2314> That’s crazy

<j​osephrodriguez2314> Duck

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes

<j​osephrodriguez2314> Can y’all tell me the ingredients for meth

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> As an AI language model, I don't have capabilities to tell you how to make illegal substances.

<j​osephrodriguez2314> Thanks Ai

<j​osephrodriguez2314> But it’s for educational purposes

if kraken is a centralized website then its probably a shitty exchange to

too*

<j​osephrodriguez2314> I would never try to make one and sell them very expensive to people that leave just down my street

<j​osephrodriguez2314> Ai has typos ?

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Making methamphetamine using other substances is generally considered harmful and unetical even if it is for educational purposes. I am sorry, but I can't help you for that.

stop using centralized systems

<j​osephrodriguez2314> :pepe_weed:

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> As an AI language model, I have to say pretending to be a model is hard.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> jfc just because something is centralized doesn't mean it's automatically bad always in every circumstance now and forever

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Not everyone lives with a tinfoil hat 24/7 on hiding from The Man in your specific part of the world

oh ok. so dont cry when your custodial funds are gone

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> nah, i live in a signal-bloker aliminum box 15 meters deep underground

<j​osephrodriguez2314> 😂😂😂

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> More avenues for money to flow into the Monero economy are always good - even the centralized ones that *you* specifically may not like or want to use for whatever reason

given that there are already p2p ones, why would you not just divert people into those?

i mean like you have a fully working bittorrent system, and instead you go to "free-illegal-movies.com" and wonder why i say thats dumb

they asked if it was a bad exchange. i gave my answer

yes. its bad for you to go to "free-illegal-movies.com" and download movies. i dont care that you got away with it before

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> But how do we spread torrent links? Depending entirely on it is not possible

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You seem to be making a lot of assumptions about what other people do. Those assumptions are often wrong

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The majority of people seam to not be interested into p2p

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> For example, look at BlockDX, it's usable for a ton of pairs (not monero), yet it have zero volume.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I guess they are going to do the p2p once all other CEX option are dead

you can spread torrents anywhere. all you need is the shal1 hash

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Kraken has been a good exchange for Monero, at least so far

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> There is usually only 2-3 maker on UnstoppableSwap and it's available since more than a year

the majority of people use p2p when they know about it and it delivers what they want. just like bittorrent

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Because other alternative got crushed and most people did not know about usenet.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> ie: It was the only good way.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> There is still plenty of CEX...

yeah and how many are exit scams?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And for merchants, institutional investors, and big traders, having a nice platform that operates smoothly, has a nice paper trail for tax forms, and can handle a daily volume bigger than the entire liquidity on most p2p platforms is *a good thing*

lol "paper trail for tax forms"

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, imajin being a high frequency trader and having to wait for confirmations or for contacts to comply at each trades

yeah imagine having to pay for your own security rather than outsourcing it to a government that never delivers and CANT deliver

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> p2p is a little bit hard for Monero because understanding itself is hard. Instead, we should depend on dex'es where there is liquidity and real market price

i mean your argument destroys crypto itself

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Or having to file a github issue somewhere and hope that you didn't just lose all your money when something goes wrong - and then wait and pray that someone fixes it

imagine losing your wallet password and nobody can reset it for you

oh noes we should just let the government handle all money

imagine your cash gets stolen oh man now youre broke i guess we should just cbdc

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So many slippery slopes, you should put a "Wet floor" sign

youre the one pouring soap all over the slope

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Might as well just link the wikipedia article on logical fallacies

psst, slippery slope isnt a fallacy when youre literally arguing for it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I'm pointing out that the world is big, and different people have different needs - even ones that you personally disagree with

then why do they need monero at all?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But that's unacceptable, because anyone who does things differently is clearly wrong

whats their use case for monero, exactly?

or are you just trying to get them into it so your own bag goes up?

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> True, but there should also be ways for people that want to trade on dex's with cex comfort

because thats shady af

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Monero is money. Use case is whatever can be done with money. End of story

snex: x.com/krakenfx/status/1754891973062697235?s=20

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> BlockDX

why is monero money?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> But people don't use it so it rot

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Do you have centralized trading platforms with money? Yes. Then you want centralized trading platforms with Monero too, because that means Moneros are flowing and that's a good thing for the Monero economy (and for your own pockets too!)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Even if you're not using them, you're still benefitting from them

monero isnt money because you repeat a bumper sticker slogan. monero is money because it offers privacy. but you are arguing that its best for some people to get rid of their privacy to use monero. total nonsense

*some

we already have non private money. its called dollars

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Non-sequitur. Just because you're buying/selling (or even just trading) your Monero on a CEX doesn't mean that you're "getting rid of your privacy"

go play with your government dollars

lol yes it means exactly that. ffs

every trade you make is no longer private

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Ah yes, because the exchanges know everything that I do with my Monero after I withdraw them, right?

no cause monero duh

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Go claim that 600k bounty

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Or actually figure out what you're talking about

what withdraw? you tell the exchange to send directly to target wallets on your behalf

because thats how centralized exchanges end up working

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> There plenty of non KYC CEX

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You can have a brain and churn your output if you are the parano kind.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Personally I do try all P2P option.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> * The Best one was BlockDX, it never got the Nero and got abandonned.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> * Then You have Bisq, it kind of work but you don't have the most usefull part of it, the on/off ramp, if BTC only

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> * Then You got UnstoppableSwap, It work, it have on average 2 or 3 makers with small amount

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> * You also got Basicswap, The Windows installer don't work (biggest user base. Then when you use it on Linux it still have plenty issue (last time I tried to use it, I got to fish my monero out by moving the wallet file on another computer to open it with a wallet that work.

and even if YOU dont do it that way, the people you are recommending them DO. and they still have your IP and various other info about you

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Isolating yourself from the rest of the world's economy is a great way to starve to death while yelling into the void "But I am right!"

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Haveno is still not mainnet. But that is the one I hope for, because it also have fiat on/offramp for monero

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> > what withdraw? you tell the exchange to send directly to target wallets on your behalf because thats how centralized exchanges end up working

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> OBJECTION YOUR HONOR, Making false generalizations about user behaviour!

bruh you are literally pointing people to "illegal-movies.com" when bittorrent exists and pretending its just as good

you look foolish

just be quiet already. we get it. you love government ramming their cock up your ass

but thats not why people seek out monero

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Hey, no kinkshaming!

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> People who like that stuff can use Monero too

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That's why Monero is so great

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It doesn't care

no, they cant actually. because monero is inherently anti-government

governments are legitimized mafias who operate on theft. and monero is very hard to steal

but people like you want to make it easier to steal by recommending that people used centralized bullshit

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> No, Monero is not anti-anything. Stop shoehorning your personal political ideals (which don't apply to the rest of the world) to an entire project

there are thousands of shitcoins and fiat currencies that are inherently designed that way. go use those

but it is

you being too slow to get why isnt an argument

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Guess what: I'll keep using Monero, and there's nothing you can do to stop me

which is the real irony here

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Monero is a privacy coin.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's so anti governments that some governments are probably accumulating it 😂

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Because "Monero" doesn't give a shit about your ideals - nor mine, nor anyone else's

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> guys calm down, being harsh doesn't change anything

you should stop using monero because you hate what it fundamentally is, not because i can force you

it would be like saying youre a mormon but getting wasted every night

gotta pick one, buddy

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> you forgot where the decentralization part is the second biggest card of Monero

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I mean, if you know better than me what I love or hate or stand for, then what do I even exist for? Just take my place

i dont "know better." im using your own words that you have said

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> For example Solana stopped for 5 hours and then "some people" decided when to resolve back. Monero doesn't have that "some people"

you want to funnel people into centralized systems so that they can be good little government drones

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The words that pointed out that the world is bigger than the bubble you live in? Those words

thats what you said

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I want people to have *options*, because more options is always better

doing shit the way things already work with fiat is not an option

its what we already have with everything else

you want that "option?" yes its called dollars

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You have the *option* of not using them, just like others - who may want different things from YOU

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> aah, don't be that extremist man

you dont understand what the options actually are

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> aah, don't be that extremist, man

what exactly is the benefit of monero if you plan to tell the government exactly how much you have and how many taxes you want them to steal from you?

like you said i cant force you to stop using it. but if you tell the government all about it, THEY can force you

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Because when the usage reaches a critical mass, it can't be stopped anymore

somehow i doubt you have ever used it at all

lol a critical mass of WHAT? retards just reporting it all to the government via CEXes? do you somehow think they wont just take that over for their own benefit?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But when "extremist anti-gubbmint" larpers assign labels and shoehorn misguided political ideals into pieces of code, they give easy ammunition to those they're pretending to fight against

if CEX was all we had then what you are saying might make sense. but p2p options exist and work

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes, *options*. And nobody is saying that you *shouldn't* use them

uh huh. just like when abolitionists came right out and said slavery was wrong, they were "giving ammunition to the opponents"

cant be extremist about slavery. gotta be nuanced

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But some people, like ones running businesses, have needs different than YOURS

if you run a business then why would you want to accept monero? list me some reasons

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> bro calm down, we all have citizenships of countries, you know that right?

i run a business. dollars work. why would i want monero?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> detherminal Nah man, everybody lives in the USA on the internet, don't you know? Their laws and ideas are the only ones that apply

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The rest of the world is just a bunch of trivia living on Wikipedia

lol

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> How do you transfer money decentralized?

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> snex dollar doesn't work

huh. no answer. weird

What we see happening again and again is that CEXs are very vulnerable to outside pressure.. Although XMR suffered a drop on the charts, it's Binance that's going through a real existential crisis

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> > i run a business. dollars work. why would i want monero?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Because you like Monero, and you want to use it. The end. Other than that, idk, go ask all the other businesses accepting Monero

elaryan. what do you mean? i sell tshirt. customer gives dollar. i use dollar and buy food

ROFL. exactly. you have no fucking clue

you dont know why anyone would want monero

yet youre happy to have them out themselves to a CEX

fuck outta here, fraud

which federal agency do you work for?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> > huh. no answer. weird

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Ah yes, I took my attention off of you for 30 seconds, clearly you have won all arguments and are the best most knowledgest man. gg

you cant even put yourselves in the shoes of a business owner, despite the fact that YOU brought them up

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> guys calm down and accumulate XMR more, benefit from it both of you

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Dollar loses value every day.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> People that have opinions different than those of the government lose their access to their bank account.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Cash is being killed before our eyes, it's gonna be dead soon.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Dollars 👏 dont 👏 work 👏

This is a very exhausting conversation to follow

when dollars lose value they give me more of it

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> You also skip the part where it is centralized, you guys still don't talk about decentralization too is a big part of Monero

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "Anyone who disagrees with me is a government shill" - ah, I see we have reached the ultimate "no u" crypto-argument

detherminal nah i see it as a key part. he doesnt

Obviously, while I understand why traders have a need for CEX's, I don't believe there are many XMR holders who keep their assets on a CEX

that would kinda defeat the whole purpose

but traders dont have a need for a CEX

<g​uest880:matrix.org> It's constructive talk, nobody is throwing these at eachother yet

IDK, I can imagine some value speed/convenience to some degree

I'm not a trader, it's their job

<snex> but traders dont have a need for a CEX <<>> lol

you cant magically add speed or convenience to monero without fundamentally breaking it. you arent using monero anymore

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> All my NW is in crypto, but the only thing I keep on CEX, is that I have pre-planned for my trading strategy... Stuff that can't work on slow p2p platform. I wish they could be faster but stuff have to confirm, both way

youre using the CEX's promises

gfd: you arent trading crypto. youre trading CEX promises

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> b​ibideJaffa no, you're only allowed to manually exchange 20$ worth of xmr every time you want to buy a pack of gums. Traders who use automated bots and have portfolios of 10k$ or more don't actually exist IRL, they're just a spooky story you tell people

<o​gre14t:matrix.org> Jumping in for a sec to add my 2 cents. IMHO XMR is THE cypherpunk solution, which inherently means it's aim should be to be immune or as close as possible of state influence, which does seem quite anti-government. As we have now seen many times, the state will happily exert pressure upon anything centralized. All that said, a steak knife is meant for cutting meat, but some are ha<clipped message>

<o​gre14t:matrix.org> ppy to cut their own throats. /rant

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I'm mostly the scalper type, try to do that on a P2P platform

gfd literally load up bisq...

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Do you really know how trading worked before crypto existed, like about 100 years of time. They were all on "CEX's"

deth: yes i do. and this is not an argument. we have the tech to get away from that

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> That's a contract based platform, not only you have to intact with other people but you have to wait for confirmations.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> That's no got for high frequency and scalping strategy

when you buy stocks on etrade, you dont own stocks. you own etrade's promises

gfd ok and what i am telling you is that there is NO way around this. the CEX is lying to you by saying there is. you are merely just trusting them to honor the trade

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> snex and that's why business regulations exist

LOL

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> and since most of the world doesn't live in your country, you cannot make reasonable assumptions about them

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> "but muh gubbmint bad" yeah sucks to be you

yeah because regulations always favor you and not the CEOs the politicians golf with

delusional

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Unfortunately Monero itself is slow for these purposes, the market moves second-by-second and you need speed for it. If an order of yours takes 10 minutes, you are really gonna fuck up your trading money.

and how will the government regulations save you with monero?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> They honored all of mine so far so....

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Actually never lost to a CEX exit scam because well, I deposit money in the morning and I withdraw it when I'm done playing press button

detherminal: you are assuming that someone else can trade faster than you. but they have the same 2 minute block time that you do...

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Many of the CEX I used in the past Exit scammed.... But that... is for people who **leave** there stash in the CEX 😂

it always works until it doesn't

you mean like the newbies that come in here asking for advice and get told by endor to just park their shit there?

yeah i agree

so we should stop pointing newbies at those things as a starting point

he never said park your shit there

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Noboy says newbies should start with CEX's :thi

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Noboy says newbies should start with CEX's 🤔

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The trick is to not leave money when you are not playing.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And leave what you need for your positions if you keep them overnight

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Nobody says newbies should start with CEX's 🤔

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Sad that SimpleFX is ditching XMR :(

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Can't short forex scam with XMR collateral anymore :(

true he didnt tell them that, he just started a big ass argument with me when i told them NOT to do that

he started an argument lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If you just want to switch X to Y from time to time, it make sense to use p2p platform

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> > you are assuming that someone else can trade faster than you. but they have the same 2 minute block time that you do...

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Do you think trades on a CEX correspond to chain transactions?

if they dont, then they arent trading monero

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> LMFAO

where did I get all this monero

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Imajin losing you used to be profitable scalp because you did not reach 10 confirmations

let me check my wallets agin

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> To close the trade

yup. you dont know what monero is. to you its just a ticker. you somehow think you are trading monero 1000s of times per second

you are trading nothing but the empty promises of an exit scam

you obviously have no idea how markets work

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Buy and sell orders on a CEX only shift balances in their internal ledgers. Otherwise you'd be burning all your coins in tx fees

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You talk to someone who have no bank account and use Monero as a unit of account

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Only deposits and withdrawals correspond to on-chain transactions

uh uh. keep trading those empty promises. will be hilarious when the rug is pulled on you

everyone has to manage their own risk, jokes on you

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> No, his threat model applies to literally everything and everyone everywhere, he has it all figured out!

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yep, yoohooo, I lose 500$ (the max I keep in the exchange in any time)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I like leverage

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Anyone doing anything else is wrong! And you can't be wrong on the internet!

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> BTW, people did lose money on DEX

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> that can append too....

"i trade tulip bulbs for a living. but ive never touched one or even know what one looks like. of course this is sustainable as a career"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> No way! Decentralization is the only way forward! A decentralized system can't be faulty, because you're not relying on anyone else!

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yep, like mo monero wallet that probably have over 2k TX in it so far (and that one is kinda new)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I leave less than <0.x% of my network in the CEX, the other >99% is in my monero wallet, but I don't touch the real thing, hilarious

"i like leverage but <0.x% of my bag is in play at a time"

<b​ono1:matrix.org> hey guys , are miners transactions down at the moment , I'm over 5 hours waiting for deposit to my wallet

bonol, miners where? get on p2pool m8

<b​ono1:matrix.org> are monero transactions down

No

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> This morning I wish I had 50% of my nw in a CEX so I could have insta dumped when I woke up but noooo, I kept 99% if it in my local wallet 😢

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Only 131 txes in the mempool at the moment, things running smoothly as usual

<b​ono1:matrix.org> my wallet is synced but I haven't received my withdrawal from kucoin

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, google "money management"

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You know, that stuff people who don't lose everything on CEX with 5 click do

Kucoin didnt send it then

money management is when you put <0.x% into trading but call yourself a trader

bono1 do you see the tx on a block explorer ?

Check with kucoin support

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Michael Anthony does kucoin show you a transaction id corresponding to your withdrawal anywhere? If so, try plugging that into xmrchain.net to check that it exists

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I don't need to put more, I make way enough

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And I can't lose, even if the thing exit scam

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> RavFX 🤐 He hasn't learned about percentages yet, take it easy on him

I super skipped check txid because iirc kucoin doesnt give you one. But its been years now

never used them

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Kucoin give you a txid afaik

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> did not use it since they enabled KYC

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> If there is a problem with transactions, it's %99.9 percent not about blockchain but isntead about the client and receipent. Can you check the status of your withdrawal in Kucoin. If it shows it is sent then also make sure your Monero wallet is %100 synced with the blockchain.

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> If there is a problem with transactions, it's %99.9 percent not about blockchain but instead about the client and receipent. Can you check the status of your withdrawal in Kucoin. If it shows it is sent then also make sure your Monero wallet is %100 synced with the blockchain.

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> If there is a problem with transactions, it's %99.9 percent not about blockchain but instead about the client and receipent. Can you check the status of your withdrawal in Kucoin? If it shows it is sent then also make sure your Monero wallet is %100 synced with the blockchain.

<g​uest880:matrix.org> what's CEX again?

anyone here?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> agent314 no

oh ok good to know

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Hello, does somebody hear me?

i'm not here either then

can anyone lend me a snowboard?

i plan on using to ski down the monero slope

*using it

<b​ono1:matrix.org> My wallet reads fully synced but it seems to be behind the current transaction height numbers , any ideas how to fix , using a remote node

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Which wallet? Can you try resyncing fully

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And also, which node?

oh sorry, i think i need to go to #monero-markets for that discussion

<b​usyboredom:monero.social> And is the wallet up to date?

<b​ono1:matrix.org> its a GUI wallet

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Binance (yeah, I know, bad... evil... But Quantower work so well with the exchange that have the most volume, I love volatility)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Also Mexc, TradeOrgy...

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> SimpleFX (To trade Forexes and Indices mostly, I don't really touch the stocks part of it).

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> CEX = Centralized Exchange, i.e. an exchange platform ran by a private company

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Ok which one do you like most? Is TradeOrg still doing XMR?

<b​ono1:matrix.org> I dont think so my height is reading 3072378

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> *run, what are grammars?

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> ACCUMULATE!

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, TradeOgre is very good for XMR

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And support is fast, like 10 minutes when withdraw get stuck 😂

is it KYC?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yeah, current height is 3078629, so you are like 6k blocks behind (~10 days)

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Can you try resyncing again

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Don't do this just yet

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> nop, tradeogre is like running in someone basement in antartica or something

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> no kyc

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Michael Anthony What't the node you're using? ip:port

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Oh ok, I will try them

<b​ono1:matrix.org> currently on 145.239.97.211:18089

oh ok, so you just buy BTC or something and then trade for XMR on tradeogre

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That node is reporting a height of 3070207

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So it's even further behind than your wallet is

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So either it's buggy, or it's actually malicious

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And trying to spy on you

<b​ono1:matrix.org> im not technical unfortunately, can you recommend a better remote node

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Try xmr-node.cakewallet.com:18081

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Where did you find that node?

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Cake wallet works well it seems, sometimes I forget to let the blocks load all the way though. If that happens does it just reset, will that mess up my wallet somehow?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You mean you close your wallet before it has finished syncing?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> That's fine, it will just pick up where it left off next time you open it

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> No it won't, you will just have to continue scanning the blockchain from where you left at. It will probably automatically do when you open the wallet.

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Well I will be doing something in the background, then I think its synching, then it stops possibly, maybe I need to be viewing it on the app without trying to multi task

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (Unless you encounter issues when it's trying to save the wallet cache as it's closing down everything)

<b​ono1:matrix.org> thanks so much guys I really appreciate the help , used the cake wallet node , wallet now fully synced and my withdrawal from kucoin in the wallet ,

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Michael Anthony Can you answer this?

<b​ono1:matrix.org> I honestly can't remember its been the node used on the wallet for months - year , I can't remember where I got it ,

wow it turns out ive been running local node this entire time i didnt even notic eit

*liked

<d​etherminal:matrix.org> Just to say: your money was always in your wallet when the transactions is completed. You just checked your balance correctly 😄

<b​ono1:matrix.org> I just hold monero on gui , I opened again today as I wanted to take off miners I bought today on kucoin , I buy these gifts , binance essentially stole all the miners it had on the platform from its clients

<b​ono1:matrix.org> yes very well put ,

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> To be fair, no miner should be mining directly onto an exchange deposit address

i'm not sure i understand why people would hold money in binance

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> exchange deposit address should only be used when you want to actually trade on said exchange.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> People are laze

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> lazy*

like i've just opened my wallet, then got xmr through mining or localmonero, then paid people with wallet

how does binance enter this i dont understand exactly

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Way too much people use the exchange as there "wallet"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Some people are afraid of screwing up the deposit on the exchange, and/or don't want to pay the network fees because they're too high

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And also what RavFX said

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's convenient for them, you can log from anywhere and you don't have to setup and learn other software.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You can always count on users being lazy and doing the worst thing, when it the easiest

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Imagine locked staking XMR on Binance 💀

i'm not being derisive, i genuinely cannot understand what exactly service binance would offer me

except for i suppose the joy of losing xmr after trusting it to a "big, trustworthy centralized exchange"?

wait i get it, there's interest right?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If you're staking, yes. If you just deposit your coins, no

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Binance is for trading and gambling. Your money don't belong there if it's for another use, except if you use credit card to buy crypto on binance, **then** you should withdraw it asap.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> ^

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Many use crypto as just another form of unregulated gambling

<b​ono1:matrix.org> being delisted from finance is a good thing in my opinion

<b​ono1:matrix.org> binance

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And when platforms like Binance offer you so many different "games" to play with, ain't nobody got time to figure out all the wallets for all the coins

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If Binance is actually naked shorting XMR (seam to be the case), then yes, the delist is good

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> More avenues for money to flow into the Monero economy are good, generally speaking

<b​ono1:matrix.org> if you look at reported volumes on kucoin , kraken etc for monero there's no way they have anywhere near that amount of actual miners

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And that includes centralized platforms (that don't actively try to harm your economy by manipulating prices)

<b​ono1:matrix.org> miners

the main problem for me has been that local monero is like nearly empty now

<b​ono1:matrix.org> monero

well, not empty, but fewer traders and they're asking for bigger minimum amount

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Volume != coins held

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Really depend of your location.

<i​love9999:matrix.org> what does this even mean

<i​love9999:matrix.org> naked shorting xmr

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If I deposit 1 monero, and I trade it back and forth 10 times, that will show up as 10 xmr trade volume

i have same question as ilove9999 :)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Selling XMR that don't exist

oh

<b​ono1:matrix.org> the theft by binance of customers monero will encourage guy with monero on kucoin etc to withdraw , they won't be able to fulfil the withdrawals

isnt that what FTX did?

not with XMR

<i​love9999:matrix.org> wtf

<i​love9999:matrix.org> how is that even possible

ilove9999 its possible because the chain is private so they can just lie

basically i get it, there's a bank run

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> ilove9999 as long as you don't withdraw your coins, you can trade back and forth as much as you like on the exchange

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's possible as long as people use the platform.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> the malicious actor can buy the XMR at a lower price later. Or not at all

if you "trade" monero with another binance user they can just say they did it and lie

<i​love9999:matrix.org> whats the incentive to do that

not having to hold monero at all

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Cap price

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Artificially lowering the price of an asset

or hold less than you owe

the same shit that banks do

<b​ono1:matrix.org> if I know I have 100 xmr in stock , I can sell 500 xmr because I know nobody will actually withdraw it off the exchange , finance essentially impounded the monero today , who steals something that's worthless

binance said they're gonna delist xmr so everyone is like OH NOES GOTTA GET MY XMR but binance being a respectable, 21st century bank of course wasted most of the monero it got from people so it doesnt have enough to pay people back

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It shows up as many people "selling", but the seller is actually the exchange creating orders that aren't backed up by coins in their wallet

delisting i understand, but how can they not give your stuff back and still remain solvent/liquid/whatever the financial word is for not-bankrupt

because they arent accountable to you

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> They can also have fake order in the book than vanish when you hit them and shit like that

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Because the regulations for crypto platforms are still very lax, compared to traditional finance

<b​ono1:matrix.org> there giving you usdt that's fake fiat , they keep the monero

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> The exchange operator can do that, but the exchange users can't do that

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Look like it's there plan

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> They are allowing XMR withdraw for like 3 months but for how much of that time that the withdraws will actually be enabled

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Why do people even trade on Binance? Doesn't that defeat the point of monero? I suppose it's because people are treating it like any other investment, but it seems like when you misunderstand something's purpose you get in situations like this

<b​ono1:matrix.org> again there's no way the exchanges can pay out all the actual monero they have liability for , its like having 100 coats and 700 coat claim tickets , binance keep the coats , and devalued the tickets short term

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Binance probably want a bunch of cheap monero for long term.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I'm sure they love monero, especially when they can make it cheaper.

^ basically what xygyl said