i think there are people who dont even know about monero's privacy

they just see it as another neo-investment tools

*tool

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If you're buying with fiat and you don't want to pay a 5-10% markup, or want to get you coins quickly, you buy on a cex. And these days, that's Binance and Kraken mostly

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It's private once you withdraw it

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Do they give a grace peroid to take your XMR off their exchange or is it fairly quick?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I got into monero because I want to have an untraceable and untaxable money, and that's how I'm going to use it until I either can't or something better comes along

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> making profit with your trades.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Binance is like the one with the highest volume... With is nice for you as you won't move the price by yourself just by pressing the button

there's people who are in crypto because they're nerds and they're interested in ring signatures, privacy, and anonymity and general cryptoanarchy

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Fair

and then there's people who basically see it as another version of stocks

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You have until the may 20 to withdraw

which really means you have 1 week

panic now

i would get whatever you have like right now

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> goddamn normies messing with my private coin

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> oh nose, the sky's falling ehrmahgehhrddd

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Just do common sense and don't keep money used for active trading in it

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> not used *

just put it in your wallet, if it's in your wallet no one can take it away unless somebody >50% attacks the blockchain, right?

no

51% can never steal from you

<b​ono1:matrix.org> has anyone here gotten monero off binance today into self custody wallet

only prevent you from transacting

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Why is a 51% pool so bad? What's the most harm they could do?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> your money always belong to your personal wallet when it's not being used for something

can't they make a new block saying "transfer from X acct to Y acct" and then validate it being 51%?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> 51% attack can be used to undo a transaction that sends you xmr - so it *can* be used to steal from you

no

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> non

they cant validate that tx witout your private key

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> They can undo history

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 51% on monero is less of a problem compared to 51% on bitcoin

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Wut, why?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> You have answered that and every subsequent question. Thank you

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Would 51% p2pool be a problem? No, right?

yes but if i transfer my money to you what validates that I actually did it? isn't it confirmations?

sorry this is probably super-n00bish question, i'm gonna go read some stuff on xmr

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The pool as a whole, no. Individual miners would still be mining independently

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Did read something about that subject a while ago. Do I have to remember the details?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> p2pool seems like the ultimate mining method, so why isn't it more widely used? Is there something I'm missing?

i was gonna say unless 51% but 51% is not a very realistic issue in monero due to anti-ASIC nature of the proof of work algorithm

xygyl: it's not as straightforward to setup i think

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> You sign a transaction with your private keys first. A 51% attack can remove your tx from history by mining a different block where your tx never shows up, but they can't change the contents of your tx

endor00 thank you i think i got it

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> yeah it you aint sturdy with it

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> it's like three commands and waiting

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> it's less profitable for some (you endup with many output and high fees). Right?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Other than that, you have to have a node plus p2pool plus xmrig

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> While for mining on a normal pool, you only need xmrig

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> 51% is as much an issue on Monero as it is on Bitcoin or any other POW coin, regardless of the mining hardware used

by the time you're mining anything, much less monero you're already basically deep down in the Nerdostan

and a lot of people are seeking to just go with the most straightforward method

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> nerdostan shall be my home

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> People are lazy

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> use Docker for everything

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> use exchange wallet as there personal wallet

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> use normal pool instead of p2pool

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> ....

what are the advantages of p2pool?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> amen

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Also the reason we don't have more / better DEX with a lot more volume

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> github.com/SChernykh/p2pool?tab=rea…ing-vs-solo-mining-vs-p2pool-mining

(realizing there are probably a gazillion pages online explaining exactly why p2poool is better)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It's a decentralized pool, so no pool admin holds your coins until you reach the payout threshold

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yeap, no minimal payment and pool fees

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> this is a place of learning, not RTFM (though you should RTFM)

<g​uest880:matrix.org> what p2pool do you guys like the most?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> what's your hashrate?

<g​uest880:matrix.org> I don't really know, iim still learning with my XMR

<g​uest880:matrix.org> DO I go in my wallet and look?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It's how many H/s your miner(s) do

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> hashrate is how fast your computer can solve hashes

there's another freaking blockchain??

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> There's two of them, actually

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> p2pool and p2pool-mini

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Sidechains, technically

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I use normal with ~10K/h background mining and ~35K/h when the sun is blasting full power

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> so I use the normal p2pool

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I think if you do like 3K/s or less you want to use mini

<g​uest880:matrix.org> I have to be mining XMR to join a p2pool?

so that's how the "p2p" is realized

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> that's the point, so yes

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Ok, can I run a VM

<g​uest880:matrix.org> on a node?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yeah, you can have a VM with the Node+p2pool

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> and direct all your hardware mining to that p2pool

<g​uest880:matrix.org> OK, what template do you use for the VM which software is best for this?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Iirc the optimal switching point was around ~10-50 kH/s? Or somewhere in that range

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I think you're overthinking it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> ^

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Use Gupax, makes the whole setup much easier

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> gupax.io/guide

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> yep, though cli isn't too bad

<g​uest880:matrix.org> OH ok, what Template OS can that run on?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Template OS?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'm confused on what you're confused on

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Oh, I was thinking of making it into a container

<g​uest880:matrix.org> My bad

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> I think he's referring to cloud templates, used to deploy VMs?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Use whatever Linux you are comfortable

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I use Alpine, but you can use pretty much anything including Windows

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> gentoo ftw

can i use my kitchen windows?

<g​uest880:matrix.org> it uses less resources

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Proxmox also has LXC containers

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> But you don't really need that. Also, if you run your own node, you'll need at least ~70 GB of storage

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> gentoo, arch, artix, whatever lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Just be sure that the hugepages are available

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (But you can use a remote node instead)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Ubuntu is a solid choice if you're not too familiar with Linux stuff

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Then again, you're talking about LXC, so I guess you're fine lol

or if you find ubuntu kinda bloated debian is a good choice

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Ubuntu and its flavors (kubuntu, xubuntu, etc.), edeavouros, mint, debian...

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Im actually a run before I can walk, im still learning linux, but somehow setup Prox and containers

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Ah, I see

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Go with Ubuntu then, less headaches

if youre gonna experiment with distros i recommend ventoy

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I prefer something that is GNU-free (less bloat) but that won't change anything for you except make it harder if you know another linux anyway

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> +1 rec on ventoy

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Oh ok, I'm guessing that will use less resources than WIN 10?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Yes

<g​uest880:matrix.org> what if i have a copy of WIN LTSC

you basically burn ventoy onto a flash drive one time

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> GNU is bloat?

<g​uest880:matrix.org> I have VM running on that to

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yes

and then you can just throw ISOs into the flash drive

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I thought that was a meme lol

Mangaka is the best distro.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Have a 64GB flash drive full of Linux too

or Moebuntu

i can't believe i used to waste 64 or 128 gig flash drives on just ONE linux distro before

You're welcome: moebuntu.web.fc2.com/home_eng.html

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Don't listen to this poser, THIS is the distro of kings gentoo.org/downloads

yeah if the kings want to spend 4 days compiling stage 3 :P

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> something with musl instead of glibc and suckless to replace the coreutils ❤️

thats the "something else" on the ventoy -- gentoo!

I heard that Ludwig II of Bavaria used Gentoo.

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> distfiles.gentoo.org/releases/amd64…ktop-openrc-20240204T134829Z.tar.xz

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> you were saying?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Kernel compiled by yourself, no modules, everything built in (and only thing your system need)

what kernel is it?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> does suckless have coreutils?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> currently 6.6.13

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yes, you can replace most if not all of the coreutils with suckless tools

considering the mainline is already 6.8

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> git.suckless.org/sbase/file/README.html

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> thank you!

speaking about linux kernel, everyone saw Hans Reiser's letter to LKML right?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> "I killed my wife but I'm sowwy"

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> yup, I saw it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Because some distros don't want/need the latest bleeding edge features, and want more testing and stability instead

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And can affort to have maintainers backporting security patches

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> *afford

Mr Brennan wrote to Reiser asking his opinion regarding Reiserfs's obsoleteness in 2025 and Reiser replied

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> stability > features ANY DAY

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Reiser5 ftw

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Why? I don't know anything about it so I'm genuinely curious

ok makes sense i guess, i mean the only reason i was playing with kernels is because i was reading Linux Device Drivers

i think reiserfs made more sense back in the naughties

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's was a nice FS, reliable.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> it even have subvolumes and things like that

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> BTRFS is like an inferior replacement

at least that's when i saw more of it

i heard it's fast

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> what fs do you prefer?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> or I suppose, what do you use

it's running like the cops are after it :)))

encrypted ext4 but i nearly installed btrfs a week ago

i didn't because snapshots seemed like they would take a ton of disk space

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I use XFS, BTRFS, on Linux.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I used to use Reiser4 and tested 5 but I don't really touch to out of tree stuff anymore. I'm half life so now I kind of want the stuff to just work and not break when I change kernel

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, I use auto snapshot.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> But a few people complain about data loss so I don't recommend doing that anymore. But it's great if your update is failing somehow and you can just rollback like nothing append

isnt autosnapshot supposed to prevent data loss?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, Assuming the fs don't get fscked lol

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I never need to learn that lesson again.. Always make backups kids...

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Always.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And USB stick are **not** reliable

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Yolo

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Backups are for the weak :)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Just use LTO tapes

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> oops! your monero wallet and keys are lost!

oh no i store seeds in password manager

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> the correct response

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> keepassxc always comes in clutch

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I store seed in some exotic ways

and also on paper

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Jokes on you i dont have monero

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Im here for the lolz

and also i tattooeed it on my <redacted>

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Can I see?

sure here you go: <redacted>

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Willy

see the password shows up <redacted> when you type it in here

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Doesnt appear until its erect

so if you were to type in your password it would show up as <redacted> to everyone else

wait

no, if i type in the password it shows up as ****** to me

hold on. if you type <redacted> it will show up as my password to me...?

you should store your seeds in a deck of cards

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> you should just memorize them

impossibru

i wonder if you could store data in like SSD's EEPROMs or something

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Encrypted EPROM/EEPROM

SSDs are basically mini-computers at this point: they've got a little CPU, their own RAM, etc

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> just get a old video card and stuff it somewhere it can fit (often it have block full of FF you can replace). Old piece of junk should still work too (if it's old enough to not have checksums

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Good old Eprom, with a window on it, don't let the UV erase it!!!!

deck of cards with UV markings. cant beat it

i was always under impression that it's not that hard to recover data -- you just look at some platters with a loupe, run dd a bunch of times, maybe even run hdparm if you're brave

no. you should basically be prepared that if your disk dies it dies all of it and forever.

why isnt your data in a nas with raid?

that's where it's going to now

but it doesnt have to be, it's better to do some incremental backups on an external hard drive than have nothing

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> TAPE

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> NAS won't protect you if someone make an update to glibc that rm all your device if your IP is russian or something

i think i kept procrastinating backups because what am i going to just rsync stuff onto an external drive? i'll just set up NAS and do everything proper

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sync to tx_extra

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Except if you only connect to the NAS when you do backup

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> tx_extra is a good option indeed, it will always be protected and accessible.

i mean i did backup stuff like wallets, lightweight stuff etc

the sad part is my Ghidra databases, IDA Pro databases, some other medium-weightish stuff

i have databases on the NAS with iscsi

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> restic init —repo tx_extra

daily backups to cloud

now i have two repos setup in kopia: /home for all the home stuff excuding ~/Downloads and rootfs which is basically everything / except for a long .kopiaignore file with like /proc /dev /home etc

it takes a bit of time first time but each time after that it's a minute long deal

yeah i'm making a NAS right now but i can just point kopia to that

im using deja-dup

you can also point it to amazon buckets, and some other cloud storage, etc

but only do /home/snex with excludes

goes to cloud

cloud and nas*

i think ill use one of my laptops with a broken screen

in fact the nas manages cloud drives transparently, and i just copy to a folder

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Weekly full backup on tapes then Daily backup on tapes, XFS have the tool for exactly that

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> daily incremental*

shove some external hard drives in there

and give it its second chance at life as a NAS

too bad mgm resorts didnt do daily backups amirite

well ransomware can target backups too

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Do you guys simulate full restauration of you're backup procedure from time to time?

not cold stored ones

idk how deep they were in there

deja-dup does that for you once a month

or whatever schedule you set

gfdshygti53: oh yeah i do. "simulate"

sure if you wanna call it that

whenever ubuntu 24.04 comes out im gonna get to live test it

i just recently had to "simulate" full restoration

i initially just thought of full blown cloning hard drive as a backup

then restoring it would also be just cloning it back

but at the moment i think the process would be with copying home directory back and then digging inside everywhere else just in case i missed something

make list of packages installed, backup /home. what else is there

yeah apt list --installed

i also began to just dump into an org-mode file chunks of .zsh_history

because the most complicated stuff is like Ghidra where you need to install amazon java first, then pull a tar somewhere then unpack and run something inside of there

installing skype is not straightforward either

<i​love9999:matrix.org> prices are rising

<z​zuko:matrix.org> hey

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> Pump it

<i​love9999:matrix.org> rising rising rising

stop looking at the "price"

its irrelevant

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> ^ This

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Price is only good up to the degree of exchanging useless Federal Reserve Notes to Valuable XMR.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Moon?

hey guys i think it grew a bit

the price that is

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<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> ima_ec97ee7.gif

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> No, monero is going underground.

went from 104 earlier to 117

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I will wait foe nioc to tell me

step 1) go on bisq. step 2) press every sell button

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> All seeing nioc

whats nioc

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> More like

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> When nioc

oh god somebodys selling XMR for 190

that's a robbery

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<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> ima_b485ee9.jpeg

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We’ve got to Mine in The Earth while the other coins attempt feebly to escape the atmosphere.

<i​love9999:matrix.org> 1 xmr for 190?

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> I'm not sure if this is the right room to ask this, but I'm looking to add a Monero payment system to a site, but don't want to rely on any of the major 3rd party platforms. Are there any specific libraries or other projects that could serve as a starting point for this?

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> For example, using it for a paywall. If someone makes a payment, they unlock content behind the paywall. I'm new to dev work with crypto, so I'm not sure what a good starting point is here.

github.com/snex/xpg

@satoshi

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> So I would host a monero node, host your project XPG separately, and connect to the node. Then I'd make any API calls to XPG and basically do whatever with the callback.

yeah

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> I'll check it out, thanks.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Is there any specific reason to host the payment gateway separately rather than integrating it directly into the application using a library?

you can use it for other applications, scale things differently, develop your app in whatever language you want rather than ruby

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Good point

it also maintains its own internal db so you dont need any additional setup in yours. can just deploy the docker image and go

<i​love9999:matrix.org> monero rising

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> V-shape recovery

<i​love9999:matrix.org> monero bros

<i​love9999:matrix.org> how high u think it will go up

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Ahh, that sound. The whining and screeching from the NGU crowd. Loving it 🤩

<b​asses:matrix.org> to the moon 🚀

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Just a few hours ago it was going to 0, now it's moon lambos again

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The collective amnesia is terrifying

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> This is what democracy looks like.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Wow now monero nodes will sync super fast

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> next story on simplifiedprivacy

@XMR

plowsof: yewtu.be/watch?v=sRwSqM0YBto - your video mention the part of inflation.

I would like to know why its a good thing that monero has so called moneros tail emission. why not paying higher transaction fees instead? inflation is the idea that an invisible hand takes 1% of your wealth on a yearly base.

and the comparison with gold I see, I have not checked the numbers, if gold is also inflationary but if new gold reserves are found it is, but why has monero be just little bit better than gold if it has the potential to be much better. I dont say monero should be not inflationary but I just would like to understand why its a good think to be inflationary.

did you try to google for 1 minute? getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/tail-emission.html

sech1: dont be so rude

I have googled and I would like to discuss this topic. do you have a problem with that?

I literally googled "why monero tail emission" and clicked one of first links

Tail emission is needed to ensure network security

sech1: good for you but if you think I asked for a link you have not understood my question

Without emission, miners will stop mining and network will become vulnerable to 51% attacks

Plus, the dynamic block size doesn't work without emission at all

sech1: ok that is the question. monero existed in the beginning when not many miners existed. what is the problem if the mining hashrate goes down and make the network little bit less secure. also gives the users more potential to receive monero for solo mining

If there is no emission, there is no penalty for miners for creating too big blocks, so network can be spammed to death with huge blocks

little bit? Not a little bit

it will become not secure at all

fees are 0.01 XMR per block on average now. So network will be 60 times less secure

what if you increase the fees instead?

plus fees are not a steady source of income for miners, they can change up and down a lot

if you increase fees, it's not a functioning currency anymore

would you pay $1 fee to buy a coffee?

don't start about LN

if you move fees away from the base layer (without base emission), miners will go away too

so Bitcoin will die a slow and painful death after a few more halvings

no need to wait until 2140 to see it

bitcoin is since years. its not a useful currency.

dies

there were papers that show mining will become unstable without emission

unstable in addition to much fewer miners, and easy to 51% attack

can you explain me the point why fees decrease because of the dynamic blocksize?

also, like I said, you can't have dynamic block size without emission

sech1: why you cannot?

because then you can't penalize miners for creating too big blocks

and how do you penalize them?

by reducing their mining reward

if there is no penalty, they will happily include all transactions every time

why they should make bigger blocks without tail emission?

because they can

You do understand that if there's a possibility for an attack, someone _will_ attack the network

I though its a concept of monero. if there are more users want a transaction you include them by increasing the block size

if there's a way to spam the network for 0 cost, it will be done

so hence tail emission

yes, you include more transactions by increasing the block size, but to do that, you need to sacrifice a part of block reward

so miners do it only as long as tx fees outweigh the penalty

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> total tx fees

if there's no reward (no emission), there is no penalty, and attackers can spam for no cost

dynamic block size needs emission to work

so the penality is that they do not get the full reward

and the more users try to send transactions the higher the fees have to be paid right? the higher the fees the more you can compensate higher blocksizes that get reduced with their higher sizes right?

yes, fees can get higher temporarily before the block size adjusts

can you decide the fee you want to pay like with bitcoin or is it given by the system?

you can

there are 5 default fee levels

3rd-party wallets can have custom fees, but there are talks to restrict it to increase transaction uniformity

the higher the fee level the faster your transaction get approved? am i right?

why is bitcoin so much popular and monero offers better technical solutions than bitcoin?

and monero is listed at place 20 at coinmarketcap

now you're asking the real questions :D

higher fee level only matters when there is congestion

usually transactions are included in the next block anyway because blocks are not full

I see but I see coins like dogecoin that are meme coins they have higher market cap than monero. how is it possible?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Plenty of on-ramps and elon musk

what does elon musk say about monero?

<c​trej:matrix.org> All questions you asked regarding tail have been answered before, but you didn't search for them. The answers you got here showed you why we value monero.

<c​trej:matrix.org> But most people never ask the right questions in the first place, thus they never learn the difference.

<c​trej:matrix.org> And if you dont care about details, doge is just as good as xmr, or even better because it is more popular

What does Saylor say about monero? "Maybe you need a Monero"

ctrej: you just judge out of your ego

<c​trej:matrix.org> wdym?

why you say that I have not searched? you do not know what I search and what not. so avoid judgements over others.

<c​trej:matrix.org> because this.

<c​trej:matrix.org> "<s​ech1> did you try to google for 1 minute? getmonero.org/resources/moneropedia/tail-emission.html"

have you read my response after that?

<c​trej:matrix.org> (forgot irc does not support matrix replies)

<c​trej:matrix.org> your following questions were basic

<c​trej:matrix.org> but nvm

<c​trej:matrix.org> this is not about you, and I'd rather have you ask then give up

<c​trej:matrix.org> point is, a lot of people dont even ask themselfs the questions they should ask

in the end only value will survive

it shows how dumb the majority is that they favor dodgecoin over monero

is there a credit card for monero? you can load monero into it and spend it when you need cash as euro?

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Majority don’t have exposure or access to xmr

<c​trej:matrix.org> You can buy prepaid credit cards at relatively steep markups

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> If we were on some evm dex we would have had a higher mc

<c​trej:matrix.org> 5-20% extra depending on the amount on the card iirc

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> rsch to put some numbers to it: in order for Bitcoin to maintain its current mining incentive with 0 base reward, *all* users would have to pay an *average* tx fee of ~ 50$ *per transaction* (for a basic 2-in-2-out tx) - and that's assuming they can keep producing enough transactions to keep the blocks full all the time, on the base layer

<c​trej:matrix.org> and they can be blocked, time out etc, in which case you'd loose the remaining funds

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Or at zero markup at cakepay ?

<g​uest880:matrix.org> people are still hyping Doge? I feel like there so many meme coins now that its been saturated, in the beginning people thought it was funny I guess and the tie with Elon , but thats kinda how i see it now

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Increasing the blocksize (like BCH) would reduce the average fee, but they would still need a big enough sustained transaction volume to compensate for it

<c​trej:matrix.org> Last time I checked cakepay had some steep conversion rates

<c​trej:matrix.org> but I could be mistaken

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Does Privacy.com allow you to pay for cards in XMR?

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> So the only way to actually fix the problem is to keep a minimum emission level - aka Monero's tail emission. Which then brings up the question "how do you do tail emission without inflating the supply too much and devaluing the currency?", and the answer is linear emission

<p​olar9669:matrix.org> Nope they do it at kraken rates maybe 0.20-3% spread

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Specifically, Monero's tail emission is designed to be sub-1% at the beginning, and since it's linear, the actual inflation% goes down every year

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (Technically every block)

<c​trej:matrix.org> maybe it was trocador then... Anyway you still have the issue with leftover funds on cards, and that cards may be blocked after a while.

I have seen that binance delist monero. what is going on. why this war against privacy coins like monero?

<c​trej:matrix.org> @rsch endor00 is 100% on point btw

ctrej: I see

<c​trej:matrix.org> regulationary pressure

<c​trej:matrix.org> is the reason for delisting

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Kraken would disagree

<c​trej:matrix.org> binance is a scammy company even without listing privacy coins. I think they want to appear as law abiding as possible to the outside

<c​trej:matrix.org> Kraken is based AF, and probably least involved with the scammy bs other CEXs engage in

I buy my moneros at kraken

the fees are not cheap but its the most confidant alternative. I signedup for binance only to purchase monero but with that delisting I can close my account there too. the verificatino process was a hell anyway.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Holy shit. My first attempt trading on localmonero, and the dude ask for photo id, and photo of me holding my passport.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/NRBqZUWxtVxIFQuxokZbjIec

<n​orvegan:dkwc.org> Governments are losing control of their two key control mechanisms: narrative and money. This is why they sued the company behind the LBRY protocol too, they don't want us to have an censor resistant content sharing platform and they don't want us to have censor resistant private money.

sending your passport photo to random dudes on the internet? What could go wrong

does he respect GDPR laws, lol

<c​trej:matrix.org> tell him to fuck off, lol

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> ^

<g​uest69420:matrix.org> Can you guys help me open up and edit the wallet file somehow? I was doing some shenanigans with sharing the same wallet between two OS's on the same host and now my wallet somehow has duplicate transactions with the same id, one with the correct amount of xmr transferred, one with just 0.

<g​uest69420:matrix.org> Want to just manually edit out the dups

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Here's the end of that conversation:

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/hTfSWJhtKdSXpLxLScLvetDT

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> BTW: TheMoneyMan took down his sale offer while talking to me 🤣

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Why are you doing it via a bank transfer to begin with?

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Should be cash and cash only

<g​uest69420:matrix.org> ```

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<g​uest69420:matrix.org> ```

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Looking at it from his shoes, you could easily be someone who hacked into someone else's bank account and tries to raid it by converting it to XMR. That would put a target on the guy selling the XMR.

<g​uest69420:matrix.org> Ah, my bad. This is a non-technical room

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Satoshi: Where would I buy XMR for cash?

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> localmonero has a cash by mail option, which is the preferred method, unless you can do it in person.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Unless you're in a country where there are no cash by mail traders

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> You could use an intermediary, who could buy it for you in a country with a cash option, then transfer it for a cut.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Expensive, but if you want non-KYC, then that's the way to go

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> He tried to KYC you on Zelle or something?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> There's cash at ATM. So, taking out cash at the ATM to put it into the ATM to pay. Not to mention, having to travel to a ATM to do shit like that.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Right above cash at ATM there is cash by mail

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Right above cash at ATM there is cash by mail

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Satoshi: Nah, the way to go is buying XMR and move it to another wallet.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> You can, but there's going to be an easy link. If you're okay with a bank transfer, I'm not sure what the difference is between that and using an exchange.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> If you want to go the non-KYC route, best way is to pay cash since it's difficult to trace.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> How you buy it are of less importance. The method with the least friction would be a direct transfer. He wont be able to see my account number, only last 4 digits, and not my name.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Are the message encrypted ? On localmonero

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> What exactly is your threat model/

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> What exactly is your threat model?

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> The bank and gov can still see it.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> The convo

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Privacy is a right

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Satoshi: I don't have a threat model. I don't give a fuck what the government think.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Then why's the KYC a problem? 😅

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I don't think the p2p chat is encrypted, but:

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/dMMdFLyNqvqFnmpaUNfHuIMt

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> I still use PGP, I don't think it's wise to rely on them and their system when there's no visibility.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Some random dude on the internet has a copy of my passport. What could possibly be a problem with that. Are you fucking shitting me?

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> What alternative do you recommend? If he doesn't verify and receives funds from a hacked bank account, his entire op is fucked.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah because he totally can fucking verify that KYC and the certify that bank account isn't hacked

<s​iren:kernal.eu> This is dumb

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> There is risk, but there is less risk. It's just risk management.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> No this is identity theft

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> He’ll store it forever

buying XMR for cash from a scetchy guy in a back alley is the way

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> So does the exchange and your bank. The difference here is liability.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Exactly 🤣

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> Future of finance.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> In the park in the dark

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> You may want to hire some big guy for protection just in case

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Yeah, I'll try those Somali guys down on the corner. They sell all kinds of illegal shit, so why not non-KYC Monero 🤣

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Bulletproof vest doesn't hurt either

Here it's arab guys and guys from balkans running all sorts of scetchy non-kyc deals

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Maybe you can hit up your local plug and get him to buy some XMR for you and sell it to you. They're doing what they're doing because they need money, so it's a win-win

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Or find some darknet vendor who needs to cash out his XMR. You can form an ongoing business relationship.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah because he totally can fucking verify that KYC and certify that bank account isn't hacked

<k​4r4b3y:karapara.net> No-kyc auto-dca

<g​uest880:matrix.org> But that guy has to accept XMR too

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Just meet in a public place like a cafe

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That's what I always do

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Good point. But you need to get XMR from the deal to pay him, so he could just rob you. Maybe get another guy to keep your guy in check.

<b​asses:matrix.org> LBRY is great, sad that their development on github is probably dead

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Never been robbed/stabbed/hurt

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Wtf is monero-classic

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> There's no Somali or other sketchy guys around here. As a matter of fact, there's nothing around here. I'm in a farmer town in the middle of nowhere.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah then sepa is your only option

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Unless you drive

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> SEPA 🤣 I would need an 11 hours flight to get to SEPA country 😎

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Denmark doesn't have SEPA? 👀

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Is it a SWIFT country? Those suck balls

<g​uest880:matrix.org> I think the Somali leader and that Somali lady who US rescued from Somali who holds office and power said something about breeding a lot of Somalians to overwhelm nations, something like that.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> How would I know? Denmark is not part of the EURO thingy, but who knows.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> So are you guys like Canada using monopoly money?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Imagine doing a trade and your money gets sent few days later

<b​asses:matrix.org> arabs hear about monero?

<b​asses:matrix.org> arabs heard about monero?

yes, if you tell them

<b​asses:matrix.org> exactly, lol

also, even if dk is not in euro zone, you can still open euro bank accounts there

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> It take 2 days for my pension to get from Denmark to my local bank.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Going to your local drug dealers, and pimps be like “Umm hello sir, can I buy digital currency from you 🤓?”

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sent by pigeon

<b​asses:matrix.org> there are no crypto related information in arabic

<b​asses:matrix.org> all scammy idiots

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Goolag says DK has SEPA

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> They also speak English too

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That's just incompetence of government

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Habib

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Has the Muhammad coin dropped yet? I'd like to get ahead of that if it hasn't yet

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Takes them months to pay my tax returns

<s​iren:kernal.eu> We have sharia compliant monero fork

<b​asses:matrix.org> Isn't it monero?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> (doesn't allow gambling and prostitution)

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Alcohol?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> That too and drugs

<b​asses:matrix.org> sounds basec

<b​asses:matrix.org> sounds based

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Party pooper

<s​iren:kernal.eu> The project itself, not very based

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Oh, the Halalcoin, sure.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> At least your get zartar

<g​uest880:matrix.org> How are strippers going survive CBDCs? Stippens?

<b​asses:matrix.org> ABCD?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Monero

<g​uest880:matrix.org> How do you tip them Dan?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Pretty sure there was escort here talking about accepting monero

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Its not going to be that much fun I would believe

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> QR code on their bikinis 😂.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Bikinis?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Bra

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Or braless

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> Is there a marketplace for that kinda thing? Asking for a friend

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I don’t know, I’ve never been to a strip club :/

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dunno, she was talking here about it

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> It was awhile ago

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I guess you haven't been to a Pattaya A-Go-Go bar lately. Not a single bikini in sight 😬

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Stay in school kids

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Did you get her KYC to make sure she was legit at least?

<b​asses:matrix.org> not very halal

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Neg

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I’m surprised there isn’t in all honesty.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think it’s more of a knowledge gap.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Crypto nerds don’t usually utilize those services, and the people who offer “illicit” sexual services aren’t typically intelligent.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I said boobies or not true

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Kyc boobs

<b​asses:matrix.org> offtopic

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ty ofrn

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> They just the right pimp, that's all

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Its XMR txs related isn't it?

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> They just need the right pimp, that's all

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Shit talking

<b​asses:matrix.org> How do I pay taxes with monero?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Should go to offtopic

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Tax exempt

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Yeah, once the pimps start catching on then I’m sure there’ll be more adoption but until then it’s kind of a stand off.

<l​orenzovonmatterhorn:matrix.org> Id pay in monero ngl

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…harm0ny.is/BVoLOLKHwOMrvLhgwpErKuAb

<l​orenzovonmatterhorn:matrix.org> Transaction takes half an hour just enough 😚

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> image.png

<b​asses:matrix.org> monero is healing bros...

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…iberty.org/eDmqTmcJYrFcXdtLSSpiteAA

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I am an IRS agent, please send to my address, DM me for the address (the IRS will never message you on Matrix).

<g​uest880:matrix.org> Aah.. monero matrix chat rooms are a blasts I must say, they really are the best

<b​asses:matrix.org> Will send a non-ip tracking link to check if it is the legit based department or not.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Asking the pimp how many confirmations he accepts.

<s​atoshi:matrix.harm0ny.is> I love how this entire room is a giant shitpost

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats what offtopic is for

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I imagine Monero, and Shitposting tends to go hand in hand.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> We’re all trouble children who don’t like being told what to do.

<b​asses:matrix.org> Are there any CCS funding monero website redesign?

<g​uest880:matrix.org> It's a controlled bon-fire with XMR communtiy gathering with drinks and little hot finger foods

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> What you mean

<b​asses:matrix.org> no one applied for CCS funding to redesign getmonero site?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> No

<b​asses:matrix.org> It is really important + Weblate translations.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> There is someone in monero-website doing alter for example

<b​asses:matrix.org> alter?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Alternate

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> I think it was made in astro

<b​asses:matrix.org> monero-project/monero-site #1904#issue-1079014530

<b​asses:matrix.org> 👀

<b​asses:matrix.org> astro is great

<b​asses:matrix.org> monero-project/monero-site #1904#issue-1079014530 ?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> you would have to look in monero-website room for the demo site

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Okay, trying a buy add.

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/OaDPiMxIDNpALIgkcFIXcLpd

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> I sent you pm

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> kokoqeen: Your message here, and the PM, took a while to register here.

<a​littlenoob:matrix.org> any updates on haveno , when can general public can start using it?

Very recently there was another testnet beta release, getting closer :D

I am hoping for a cash by fax option

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I feel like that was probably a thing.

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> How do the people on exchanges get all of their monero? Do they mine other coins and convert it?

hello im new to monero and crypto in generala and i buy some monero to circumvent transaction censorship. is localmonero safe? is there a lower limit to how much i gotta buy? and is there anything i should know before doing it?

*want to buy

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Localmonero is legit, I've used it. Just check the rep of the seller and you'll be fine.

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> The lower limit is set by the seller

also look into bisq (you need a small amount of bitcoin to fuel trades on bisq tho)

m-relay: alr i'll keep that in mind thx

snex: that would bring in more fees right?

can only buy bitcoin locally too

they use bitcoin to fuel trades because you can safely and provably lock it so that all parties can see

thus making it harder to screw people

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Do you mean to ask if they offer local trading?

yeah that too

snex: interesting i'll look into it

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> nevermind, misread the question

wait

trading is buying crypto right

sorry im noobish

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> please expand you question

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I don't know how to answer

alright

<m​obley:converser.eu> Exist bot here for price?

i sure hope not

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> no exist bot here for price

like. I want to trade my fiat money for crypto from other people inside my country, be it monero or bitcoin then monero but preferably monero. this is what is meant by "local trading" right?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I think so, I attribute local to your city or zip code

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> money is money, whether you're in NA or EU

alright we're on the same page then

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> If I hypothetically have access to free electricity would it be more advantageous to buy a dedicated mining rig or use that money to just get monero

depends on your time preference

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> If I hypothetically have access to free electricity, would it be more advantageous to buy a dedicated mining rig or use that money to just get monero

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> 2-3 years

i thought about mining but i dont think its viable at least rn

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'll have access to the power for 2-3 years

i dont think you can recoup the full cost of a rig in that time, but its up to you what thats worth

damn

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I want to do it for the privacy

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Mining with those new 128 core EPYCs must be sweet, but a man can only dream...

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> xmrig.com/benchmark/U5EDv or whatever the hell this monster is

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Epycs are expensive af

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Server cpu

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I wouldn't be doing it for the money

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Love job

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'd be doing it so some random guy looking at the p2pool hashrates would see my address with 100KH/S+

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Maybe when these IT people start selling them as second hand will it be affordable

when its affordable, that amount of hashrate will be equally worthless

about mining. dont wanna attack anyone just curious. is mining as unsustainable as ppl say? i think crypto is important to freedom and that its a good idea, but cant wrap my head around mining. i hear proof of work vs proof of stake being thrown in too

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> snex the party pooper over here

proof of stake = proof of rich. the rich can exclude anyone they dont like. no thx

proof of work = none can be excluded

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Dont think where here to be rich

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'm here so I can buy stuff anonymously

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Unless you have botnet farm

snex o alr

you dont mine to "be profitable." you mine to get your piece without permission

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I don't think monero will be as profitable as other coins because you can't have monero ASICs

m-relay yea i gave up on the "get rich off bitcoin" dream long ago

ASICs are bad

thats another form of arbitrary exclusion

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> you mine for the culture

i read they're literally money printing machines lol

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> we mine for the culture

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Centralized

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> And ironic bitmain is “Chinese”

lol i just noticed im talking to multiple ppl n a bridge not a single person. sorry lmfao

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Money and power goes to people's heads and the purpose of the project looses its validity

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> Monero is for freedom. I mine so I can support the network and MAYBE make something back

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Speaking of bitmain. Is the monero “miner” still making smoke?

based

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Helps the fluffy

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> If I need coin I purchase it from someone with my public wallet and transfer it to my private

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> like a REAL privacy conscious person

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I also run gentoo so maybe I'm just crazy

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Full tinfoil hat or half tinfoil hat?

I mine to make the most of idling CPU's, but it's not profitable

based gentoo user

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I have two internet personalities: me and xygyl

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> so half

i used to rock it for a year till we started having daily blackouts. my poor potato laptop couldnt compile its monthly 3-day-long system upgrade anymore xD

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I have a thinkpad that I don't use for anything else, so now the network is enjoying 930 more H/S

i know upgrading monthly is insecure but the gentoo swag was too strong

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I upgrade daily. It keeps the compile times more distributed

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> plus I use binary packages when I can

best way tbh

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> mm can I "download" (is that the right term"?) the blockchain onto one drive and transfer it to another somehow

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Upgrading isnt insecure

i wouldnt be able to use my pc if i did that lol

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> yes

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Thats make it secure

123bob123: no i meant upgrading so rarely

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> yes, just make sure monerod knows where to look

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> ah ok

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> you can also configure your make.conf so it uses half the cores

i did. even slower

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> or do what I do and compile overnight

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Better hurry clause plowsof wants to remove block chain dl of getmonero

i told ya whole system takes 3 days so imageine this every 2 days

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> weird. well fortunately they're rolling out binary packages so you can eat your cake and have it to

yeah i use as much of them as i can

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Constantly compiling and not using distro lol

frrr

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> people like to say that but it's just talk

llvm and rust tho

gentoo is really cool tho one of my fav distros along with void and i think debian

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> it can suck, but from my experience it encourages you to be mindful of your packages

yeah and the customiziblity is amazing

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> arch <<<<<<<<< void

frrr

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> gosh I love linux

cant be a minimal distro and use systemd lol

same fr. and BSD. unix is just amazing

but yeah i had the most cracked gentoo system you can think of

like llvm+clang+musl etc

it was torture to maintain tho lmao

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I used to shit on it for so long and now I feel locked down by everything else

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Only started to use void

true gentoo is real freedom

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> everyone I know uses macos and VS Studio (you can guess where I am lol) and when they see me using hyprland and neovim they're always in awe

i now use openbsd. way less headache and very coherent. still gentoo is one of my top linuxes

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> they're afraid of the terminal and I practically live there

xygyl: lmao linux masterrace fr

123bob123: based choice

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> based hyprland

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> as a desktop OS?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I came from awesomewm and the only thing I miss is awesome's bar

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> eww nor waybar can compar to wibar

xygyl: i want to inject the terminal into my veins. unix is a way of life, man/woman/friend

<l​orenzovonmatterhorn:matrix.org> I use windows

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> man+friend :)

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> I don't even use a bar lol

i still rock dwm. gonna keep that edgy minimalism

lorenzovonmatterhorn: traitor!

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I thought about doing that, but I'm on a laptop and being able to see my battery and time is useful

good point

my battery is too low i stopped caring

im thinkin of adding that stuff to tmux tho

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> how is openbsd as a desktop OS?

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> yeah fair enough

xygyl: worse performance and less packages + abysmal gaming scene. but very slim and secure and the documentation is top-notch cause its developed alongside the system

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I can see using some openbsd tools (doas master face) but the entire thing?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> One thing I've learned from being in this for so long is it doesn't matter what you use as long as it's free and it suits your needs

you can get around 30mb ram usage on that beast

xygyl: so true

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> would you recommend openbsd for a server?

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'll never use anything but gentoo (mainly because of portage), but everything being free and openly available is what encourages innovation

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'm trying to learn rust so I can make the definitive sudo/doas alternative

rei: i never administered a server but i recommend. you're getting more juice out of a linux machine tho

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/…tloader-impacts-major-linux-distros

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> hello Mr. "GNU is bloat" /j

xygyl: lol the rewrite it in rust meme is real afterall. ig if its okay if its fun

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> disclaimer: I'm baised

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> gentoo makes a good server. compiling can be a pain but the packages are rock-solid and you can make it *extremely* minimal

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'm bored and want to learn rust, that's the extent of my motivation

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Gentoo still have work to do for there musl support

yeah

lotsa ebuilds failed

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> true, but the it'll be built on a solid foundation

when i switched over

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> also nix 💪

i love musl. and any non-gnu stuff tbh because extensions belong in a seperate library not the langauge itself smh

o i wanna try nix sometime too

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> one thing that's overlooked on gentoo is portage: the *BEST* package manager to ever exist

cant argue with that

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> portage is pretty good

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I still don't know what musl nor glibc are lmao

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I did daily drive Gentoo from 2004 to 2020 on my main system

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> is portage was as fast as pacman it would be the king

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> though i've talked to the devs and they're working on it

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Someone would need to remake it in C or C++

its inspired by ports but beats it in every way

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Python is slow by design

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> or rust :^)

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> it basically comes down to portage being more secure and thus slower

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> If you like supply chain attack, yes

i think its more about complexity

gfdshygti53: o wdym

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> eh wdym

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Python is slow hence portage is slow.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> But it does not prevent portage from being one of the best package manager

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> >hyprland

no i mean the supply chain part

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> >rust

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> >anime pfp

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> you either have a doctorate in CS or are a cyber terrorist /j

FR

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> **trying to find that hello world that use over 10000 crates...

programmer anime pfps scare me fr

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> neither unfortunately

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> boo

rip

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> I'm realizing now that I have never met a cis-female that uses linux

its sad. my sister was almost gonna be the first but she dipped

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> we need to work to make it less of a sausage fest. I, as a progressive, think that women can be just as autistic as men

i think it got more to do with bias in education and access to computers when it comes to afabs

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> pretty much yeah

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> all jokes aside, I agree

xygyl: slay

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> The delusion calculator for men is a woman who uses FOSS.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> 0.01% of the population.

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> elaborate

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> elaborate please

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> So there’s a joke on the internet about how women have unrealistic dating standards, they want a 6 foot dude with 6 figures so someone developed an app called the “female delusion calculator” that shows how unrealistic their dating standards are.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I want being ironic, and saying a male version would be biological women who like tech (not for of grifting, or feminism gurl power).

o fair

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> we don't have women so we make our own with programming socks and cat-ear headphones

If I use bootstrap node for daemon, and will setup --not-sync, what daemon will use for sending my transactions: bootstrap node or p2p directly? and what will use if I will specify --tx-proxy?

xygyl: YES EXACTLY. homosexuality solves all problems fr

--no-sync*

uptime 1d 23h 43m 38s ... i don't remember starting you 2 days ago mr. monerod

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> The dating pool for monero users is Trans, Anime pillow, and the bag 💰 😭.

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> All the libertarian cosplay tech girls get swooped up quick 😔.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> #Offtopic

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Mini mod^

lol i forgot offtopic exist

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I know 😔

<x​ygyl:matrix.org> to off-topic we go

<r​ei:rubyowo.me> o there's a offtopic?

^

oh y did u restart 4 days ago

2 days

gingeropolous: monerochan having a bad day fr

s/day/week/

goddamn. whats the log line that says "the node started"

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> #monero-offtopic:monero.social

well synchronized worked

guh. the only thing im seeing is 1 million lines in 2 minutes of "verRctCLSAGSimple"

"service hold off time over"

blargh. thats not an OOM

well i guess this happens when u run master

i guess i should run release and see if it can stay up longer

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Nice video about the Finnish hacker that got caught :

<e​dge7:matrix.org> youtu.be/7CD_Nl3iwhE?si=jtJ5ylU4Xv5pIbYF

gingeropolous: which log level do you use?

Why did it dip?

put your hand upon my hip. when i dip you dip we dip

Looks like Monero is too sus for binance.

i agree. call your representatives and ask them to ban monero. www.banmonero.com

Ok, I sent all my monero to the disposal address. thx.

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Ban Elizabeth warren

the world thank syou

thanks*

<j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Wicked Witch of The West

selsta, log-level 1

How risky is using Remote node vs. Local node?

<e​dge7:matrix.org> youtu.be/n6Bxp0k7Uqg?si=VXtnB4M92QAxU44q

Depends if you trust the node operator

thx

is bootstap node using for sending transaction?

I don't know any node operators, so there's no thrust. Do I have to resync the whole blockchain after switching to remote node and back to local node?

trust*

you will probably have to resync, yes

weko no , the remote node (bootstrap node) being used while your local is syncing creates/broadcasts the tx

ok, not doing that, then.

oh my bad

plowsof: so then it's good

hmm?

plowsof: thanks

darsie have you considered using a node over tor

plowsof: oh, i missed "creates/broadcasts... My actual quastion about creating

no

Why?

"creates/broadcasts"...

it hides your ip address from the node operators

or whoever is watching the traffic

Some tor nodes xmrguide.org/remote_nodes

ha that's cool

monero.fail for a list anyone can add their node to

I host some nodes but i have to trust the data centers theyre hosted on. To the best of my knowledge theyre running release

I guess scam by remote nodes is rare, otherwise it wouldn't be a thing.

A few people have high fees after using malicious nodes (3.5 xmr) but they can do other things that could hurt your privacy (see video linked by edge7!.above)

Now we have a warning in the gui if the fee seems.high

i should make my node public and collect 3.5xmr fees

miner recieve fee

not a node

<e​dge7:matrix.org> You don't collect anything

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Fees do not go to nodes

not true. you can charge fees for use of your node

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Never heard of this. Elaborate please

Nobody uses pay to use nodes , never will

check the docs

The theory i read from.sech1 about these malicious high fee nodes, is they time.the attack whilst in control of alot of hashes (perhaps renting resoirces) to increase the chances of mining a block with the high fee in

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Yes, that makes sense... In theory at least

--rpc-payment-credits option for monerod

yeah rpc-pay never took off

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Lol

<e​dge7:matrix.org> .never read about it.. The payment seems to be in hash, though

and i think it got removed from the gui wallet

and id guess most remote node users are mobile wallet users

and i dunno if cake or monerujo ever implemented the client side rpc-stuff

thats a lot of ands

my theory is if i charge extremely high fees then people will use it to feel a sense of exclusivity

Title: drop support for mine to use rpc.nodes

i think it will survive in the daemon if some wallet ever wants it

gingeropolous: oh I thought verRctCLSAGSimple is on a higher log level but I looked in the source and it's log level 1

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> It doesn't compile, but the foundation it fails on, is solid. Did I get that right? 🤣

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> not sure if this a good place for a newb gui mining question.... is it typical on p2p for hash rate to be the same for over a week with zero rewards

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> I'd imagine, hanging out with your geek friends, in your mom's basement, severely limits your chances of meeting any kind of female 😆

silberbug84 what hashrate is that?

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> 1346

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> 4 threads

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/amzNDDSYATbydAnLdQuWtTXs

<t​rappin4monero> :monero:

are you on p2pool mini or main? on main you will probably never get anything

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> mini

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> the 1346 has not changed in over a week

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Btw, you should xmrig to mine. It's like 50% faster

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> i heard of gupax

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> maybe that is better than just gui

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> mini.p2pool.observer/calculate-share-time?hashrate=1346&magnitude=1

gupax uses xmrig

and the observer estimates your hashrate based on results, not real time

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> On p2pool mini you should be finding one share per day, more or less

so you probably found a share but no blocks were mined while that share was active

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> ok, maybe ill try xm and see what happens

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The status message is "mining with p2pool" - shouldn't that be "with p2pool mini" if you were on mini?

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> i was looking forward to gatting rid of at least a couple zeros on the balance

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> not sure about the mini

chain says "mini"

you should def use either gupax or manually set up p2pool and xmrig

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Oh right, didn't notice

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> not much fan action on my pc.... maybe my thata edge node is messing with it

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> theta

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Then either you're unlucky as hell, or something isn't working right

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> (Not because of the fan, but because there's like a 99.999% chance that you should have found at least one result so far)

mini.p2pool.observer/miner/[your_monero_address] should tell you your recent results

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> im going to shut it down and restart.... got to run and thanks for the input...going to try xm

last mini payout was 10hr ago

<s​ilverbug84:matrix.org> thanks for that link as well