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24 Feb 2024

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• 00:31
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Not if your lazy
• 00:45
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> You're wrong because it had an active maintainer. It was removed because "all crypto is scam!!!1!!"
• 00:46
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> He was willing to maintain it and that was the only package he maintained afaik
• 00:46
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Anybody can contribute to Void repos so nobody's time is really wasted
• 00:47
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Unless you're that Monero package maintainer, then Void people wasted your time and effort
• 00:48
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Just short void and be happy with Alpine, Arch, Artix and Gentoo :D
• 00:49
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> And if you are really serious, you should use the download from the project site and verify the signature.
• 00:49
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Noooooo
• 00:50
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Correction: compile it yourself or use a docker container to compile it
• 00:51
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> I trust distro repos (except void because they can't be trusted) more than the site honestly
• 00:51
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> That work to, just don't trust the *any* distrib package manager with your networt. If you do use there package, at least, use an hardware wallet
• 00:51
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> You dont trust the fluffy?
• 00:51
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, the site got compromised in the past right
• 00:52
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I use an hardware wallet anyway, most issue solved 😁
• 00:53
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah and they "hardened" the server after the incident. By dockerizing and using Wazuh for monitoring... Oh wait
• 00:53
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Wazuh can't monitor within containers 🤦‍♀️
• 00:53
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> lol
• 00:53
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Need eBPF or kernel module
• 00:54
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Deepthreat mapper
• 00:54
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Does
• 06:43
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> hi
• 06:43
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> monero is good
• 06:43
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> i buy groceries with monero sometimes
• 06:44
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> best crypto IMO
• 07:04
  snex
  www.banmonero.com
• 07:20
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> this has to be satire
• 07:20
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> or high-quality troll bait
• 07:20
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> i refuse to believe otherwise
• 07:20
  snex
  k
• 07:21
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…9b137fdb5dbae6f01761290128082337792
• 07:21
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> this line specifically
• 07:21
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> makes me think it's troll bait or satire
• 07:21
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> I have never heard of any leftist or rightist who believes all three of these at ones
• 07:21
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> I have never heard of any leftist or rightist who believes all three of these at once
• 07:22
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> maybe a liberal hmmm
• 07:22
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> i guess if its some kind of liberal then maybe but those arent really right or left tbh
• 07:22
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> center-right maybe
• 07:24
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> I have never heard of any leftist or rightist who believes both of these at once
• 07:28
  snex
  just face facts, you are enabling criminality
• 07:32
  snex
  maybe even a criminal yourself
• 07:47
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> Lmao
• 07:48
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> can we ban snex from advertising his banmonero link too often
• 07:48
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> same joke over and over
• 07:48
  m-relay
  <m​odul8:matrix.org> Carriers, Text messages, stupid people and fiat is enabling too. I hear about people losing their money all the time and often they don't get it back.
• 07:48
  snex
  what is the allowed frequency
• 07:50
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> i have no concept of time so maybe no one else has a problem with it. it is _your_ website so perhaps disclosing that would be ideal (as it contains a donation address)
• 07:50
  snex
  thats a black hole to nowhere
• 07:50
  snex
  you cant prove i own it
• 07:51
  m-relay
  <m​odul8:matrix.org> The 'dont buy monero' meme to me  was just the opposite of Bitcoins. To me in meant research it and earn or mine it
• 07:51
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> me when using monero to buy groceries off amazon (it's taxed) is criminality: 💀💀💀☠️☠️☠️
• 07:52
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> its ok i wont expose ur scam
• 07:53
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> well not even really a scam
• 07:53
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> its a legal scam
• 07:53
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> maybe
• 07:53
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> but the people willing to donate to that link deserve the scam so
• 07:53
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> i hope you're rolling in the big buck buddy
• 07:53
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> i hope you're rolling in the big bucks buddy
• 07:54
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> huge iq play btw
• 07:55
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> "donate to this monero wallet address it's a black hole wallet i promise i wont spend your monero on a yacht"
• 07:57
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> scamming the anti-monero people out of their monero is a big brain play
• 07:58
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> lol
• 07:59
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/azxBwhLLNgDkLCGTEJIxmcJI
• 07:59
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> lmfao
• 07:59
  m-relay
  <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Needs to be banned here
• 07:59
  snex
  i agree its my website. but you cant prove i own that black hole address
• 08:00
  m-relay
  <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Your spam is enough to ban you
• 08:00
  snex
  "spam"
• 08:00
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> i almost wanna keep him around because its funny seeing him try scamming the anti-monero crowd out of their monero
• 08:00
  snex
  i dont think you know what that word means
• 08:00
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> but i understand if u wanna ban him
• 08:00
  m-relay
  <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Stfu is what I mean
• 08:01
  snex
  no u
• 08:01
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Not as many as I thought it would be.
• 08:01
  m-relay
  <p​olar9669:matrix.org> You are spamming in the wrong place, go and spam in Binance groups
• 08:10
  snex
  your messages are unwanted by me, therefore YOU are spamming
• 08:30
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Go post it on fediverse instead of spamming here lol
• 08:30
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> fr
• 08:31
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> There's a huge anti crypto mob there
• 08:32
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> sadly
• 08:32
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> i think it's just the one person actually
• 08:37
  m-relay
  <k​lausschwab:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/qyErVRcjGIjmgoWsfFNXfSOG
• 08:39
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Sounds like cash
• 08:40
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> *US government walks into the room
• 08:40
  m-relay
  <k​lausschwab:monero.social> Maybe we should consider muting snex (free speech enables hate speech & misinformation)
• 08:40
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah what a dumb argument. We should ban pentesting and security research/tools too in that case. It enables cyber crime.
• 08:41
  m-relay
  <k​lausschwab:monero.social> Maybe we should consider covering snex's mouth with flex tape (free speech enables hate speech & misinformation)
• 08:42
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> This page needs to be updated en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monero
• 08:43
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> The publicity section only has stuff until 2020
• 08:56
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> Email julian ?
• 09:03
  m-relay
  <p​olar9669:matrix.org> No publicity stunts since 2020 ?
• 09:06
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> September?
• 09:22
  m-relay
  <o​mnipotent:catgirl.cloud> lol
• 11:36
  plowsof
  en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Monero siren the blockexplorer cronicals.that ofrnxmr noticed is fun. Every for profit company trying to get their URL clicks..localmonero sneaked there way onto it now xD
• 15:11
  m-relay
  <s​iren:kernal.eu> Yeah seen
• 15:53
  m-relay
  <a​js_:matrix.org> MoneroKon planning meeting today @ 17:00 UTC agenda.monerokon.org
• 18:51
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> ppl
• 18:51
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> I wanna buy xmr
• 18:51
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> am I in the right place 💀
• 18:55
  m-relay
  <p​olar9669:matrix.org> Localmonero
• 18:55
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> ...
• 18:56
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> is that some kind of code to "go mine it yourself" or sth? 💀
• 18:56
  m-relay
  <p​olar9669:matrix.org> DuckDuckGo
• 18:56
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> bruh T-T
• 18:56
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> thx
• 18:58
  plowsof
  This should be the best resource for you.. if not then we need to fix it getmonero.org/community/merchants
• 18:59
  m-relay
  <s​eth0xd:matrix.org> thx
• 19:32
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> hmm wonder if monero site has a glossary
• 20:34
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/gFFBeCSWByLlWuClWCSFDlTx
• 20:34
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Nature is healing.
• 20:46
  m-relay
  <t​isktisk:monero.social> Is monerujo reasonably secure wallet if I don't have access to any non-windows desktop atm?
• 21:01
  rbrunner
  It is, for my own definition of "reasonably secure" at lest. Just make sure to still have your seeds should you lose your phone, which will happen more often than losing your desktop :)
• 21:04
  nioCat
  and make sure that the seed you write down is correct :(
• 21:04
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> monerujo or cake wallet?
• 21:05
  rbrunner
  Definitely "or".
• 21:05
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> Monerujo is barely getting updates
• 21:06
  rbrunner
  Why, would it need any?
• 21:06
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/issues
• 21:07
  rbrunner
  github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet/issues and now?
• 21:09
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> github.com/m2049r/xmrwallet/commits/master
• 21:09
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> 1m - 2m - 6m - 10m
• 21:10
  rbrunner
  Cake is a company with over 10 employees, Monerujo is as far as I know 2 lone warriors. And still they manage to make a decent wallet. You don't have to like it however, and be happy with Cake ever after :)
• 21:10
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> I don't like cake wallet either lol
• 21:10
  rbrunner
  Ok
• 21:11
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> need feather wallet on mobile
• 21:11
  rbrunner
  And have the sole dev burn out in the process?
• 21:12
  rbrunner
  Often you are successful exactly because you don't try to dance on every party
• 21:13
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> Clone yourself?
• 21:14
  koditals
  Cake is really simple to new users
• 21:14
  rbrunner
  Who knows, maybe the Monerujo guy is busy writing the new iOS wallet in Flutter. The PoC is already financed by donations quite some time ago.
• 21:14
  m-relay
  <d​ezinfik:matrix.org> i had so many issues with monerujo so i switched to cake
• 21:14
  m-relay
  <d​ezinfik:matrix.org> damaged wallet
• 21:14
  m-relay
  <d​ezinfik:matrix.org> resync
• 21:15
  m-relay
  <d​ezinfik:matrix.org> with cake it just works
• 21:15
  m-relay
  <d​ezinfik:matrix.org> but i like monerujo more
• 21:15
  m-relay
  <b​asses:matrix.org> You guys will flip over when you see what I'm working on - Mymonero dev
• 21:16
  rbrunner
  ex MyMonero dev
• 21:16
  koditals
  rbrunner, lol
• 21:26
  m-relay
  <t​isktisk:monero.social> 'damaged wallet' is concerning. Maybe I will stay with cake still
• 21:32
  snex
  weird. i had lots of issues with cake on android (ios one worked fine) and had to switch to monerujo
• 21:36
  uncle_rae
  always had a good experience with monerujo, been using it for years
• 21:36
  uncle_rae
  tried cake, didn't like it at all
• 21:37
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It’s fair to assume software with small development teams may have issues at times.
• 21:37
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think most wallets are generally stable but I swap between different wallets when necessary from time to time.
• 21:37
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Personally, I use cake wallet, & stack wallet primarily.
• 21:37
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It’s also helpful to report any bugs, & issues, & document what occurred before the issue arose.
• 21:37
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I’ve noticed most bugs are usually minor, or get fixed quickly.
• 21:39
  m-relay
  <t​isktisk:monero.social> So spreading risk, but lean on cake's strength in numbers? Reasonably safe approach, no?
• 21:40
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I use cake for day to day transactions, & stack for the HODL in most cases.
• 21:41
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Regardless of what software you use the seed is the most important aspect, & should always be written down if confidence in different softwares starts to sway.
• 21:44
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> why use cake for day to day and stack for hodl
• 21:46
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> what risks do you want to counter tisktisk
• 21:47
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Because I started off with cake, it’s what I’m more familiar with, but I’ve also happened to notice that in my personal experience that stack wallet is designed nice as well.
• 21:47
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I think cake is the best tool to get people used to crypto, like Robinhood in a way.
• 21:47
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Then you use something more advanced like feather wallet / Webull.
• 21:47
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Then you go for the most difficult Core/ Fidelity/Charles Schwab/ E-trade, etc.
• 21:48
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> is feather wallet advanced?
• 21:48
  m-relay
  <e​laryan:hackliberty.org> yes, pretty good
• 21:49
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> when you say HODL on stack? can you describe what that means / entails?
• 21:49
  m-relay
  <1​23bob123:matrix.org> i use gui to keep selsta in a job
• 21:49
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I mean the fact you can’t use it on your phone means it is advanced in my honest opinion.
• 21:49
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Normal people don’t have PCs anymore since the phone fulfills 95% of needs, and wants.
• 21:51
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> does feather only work on PC's?
• 21:52
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I mean, that I am certain that their software development won’t bug out in a major way.
• 21:52
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> That I am confident enough to put my primary non-circulation supply of monero into their wallet.
• 21:52
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> I treat monero like normal money, I plan on retiring one day.
• 21:52
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> so your advice for others is to store their primary non-circulation supply of monero in a mobile wallet?
• 21:52
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/xRggEBVPuUNiFcKFJpJCnSrL
• 21:53
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> a hot mobile wallet*
• 21:53
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> and the only important thing is that the seed is on paper?
• 21:53
  m-relay
  <t​isktisk:monero.social> just as many unknowns as possible. I'm still researching how real 'damaged wallets' are
• 21:54
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> how are we going to start FUDbusters when we need to fact check you
• 21:55
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> For me personally, I take that risk but no I would advise someone to do the nerd opsec thing.
• 21:55
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> And use an airgapped device offline, etc., etc.
• 21:55
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Unfortunately, I don’t currently have the luxury to use the optimal tools.
• 21:56
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> what are the optimal tools?
• 21:59
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> an old android phone for cold storage (ANON+NERO)? is this too nerdy? maybe a trezor/ledger which can pair to your phone with bluetooth? (does monerujo still support this?)
• 21:59
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> A dedicated device ideally a pc with its network card, and other wireless communications disabled/removed.
• 21:59
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> You would download a verified PGP signed software wallet.
• 21:59
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> And use an offline copy of a seed generator.
• 22:01
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> That’s another route too.
• 22:01
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero wallets are not pgp signed
• 22:02
  m-relay
  <p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero cli/gui? i think bitcoin core is pgp signed by several devs iirc
• 22:02
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> It depends on the persons threat model.
• 22:02
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> Depends if you’re more worried about hardware being hacked, or being stolen.
• 22:02
  m-relay
  <j​ordan_sanchez:matrix.org> No one is going to steal an old android phone, but it would be easier to hack.
• 22:33
  nioCat
  my HODL wallet is CLI
• 22:34
  nioCat
  my daily is CLI
• 22:34
  snex
  why even maintain a digital HODL wallet
• 22:35
  snex
  restore from seed when you need to send from it, then delete it back to paper
• 22:35
  nioCat
  well created there
• 22:35
  snex
  or use a deck of cards instead of seed phrases
• 22:39
  nioCat
  Is the following statement correct? every wallet is based off of the CLI
• 22:39
  snex
  not sure what that means
• 22:40
  nioCat
  the underlying code
• 22:40
  m-relay
  <g​fdshygti53:monero.social> wallet2
• 22:40
  nioCat
  yes
• 22:40
  snex
  i doubt it since they arent all in C
• 22:45
  RavFX
  Yeah, PC wallet are based on wallet2 mostly. afaik. But phone wallet probably use something else.
• 22:46
  RavFX
  You can feet the blockchain the some neuralnet to get hint about pattern that different wallet implementation can leave