what makes a full node provide better anonymity than a light node?

you run it yourself

snex: how does that provide better anonymity? in what attack scenarios/threat model would a light node be insufficient?

somebody else's node logs what you do on it

assuming one is using tor, how would that violate the coin's privacy guarantees?

is a light node just a thin client that puts 100% trust in another node?

aaabbb, yup

gingeropolous: so a light node provides no anonymity whatsoever if the full node it connects to logs?

well no, there's a bit of something there. i think when the wallet requests outputs for the ring sig, it requests a bunch of outputs so the node can't tell which one might be the real one

>Light wallets are specifically designed for speed and convenience while offering same security as a full node wallet. However note that since light wallet works by connecting to a third party operated full node it comes with some privacy issues. For example the node which your light wallet is connected to gets to know your IP address.

this doesn't seem like a violation of its anonymity or untracability

right. the main thing is IP leak. the secondary thing is the node the wallet connects to can just feed that wallet bogus information

you encrypt the tx on your client and the node only sees the encrypted tx. it doesnt know any more than the rest of the network

ok, so assuming ip leak is taken care of, does it ovver the same anonymity/untracibility?

which is how remote nodes led to some people paying massive fees for their txs. bogus info

i wouldn't say the same. id say very close.

they can still detect patterns if they try hard enough. common typos, order of operations, etc

in what threat model/attack scenarios would it be insufficient, assuming ip protection is taken care of?

and assuming no classical opsec mistakes

maybe certain kinds of timing attacks

lets ask the great oracles.

.ai are you here

gingeropolous: You must have bot account & be logged in

hrm.

!ai

snex: interesting, can you elaborate?

@ai

where are the bots.

like certain silk road products get sold every time a certain node gets used

oh i see

and when using a full node, that would be hidden due to use of tor (assuming tor is used) right?

full node is self hosted so nobody can look at it and see who was on it

does any equivalent to xmr.to still exist btw?

never heard of it

it was a site where you could put in a bitcoin address, then send monero to xmr.to and it would convert it to bitcoin and send it to the address you gave (after taking a fee of course)

like a non-registration, no-kyc, no-account exchange i guess

simpleswap

bisq is a full trading app, use that

i think cakewallet / monero.com do that. well, u can swap. might be one more step to send

cake uses simpleswap iirc

and it doesn't require credit card/phone number/id?

and there's always the atomic swaps

no

which are the apps doing the atomic swaps. the folks on monero talk tried to do one recently

simpleswap will block "suspicious" tx whatever that means and will always charge you vig. on bisq you can be the market maker if you are patient

basicswap i think its called? seems super alpha tho

snex: the tx can just be to a local electrum (bitcoin light) wallet. obviously through tor to maintain pseudonymity

bisq uses tor for all users and has a built in bitcoin wallet

interesting

works on linux?

i will look it up

ya

i'm already used to electrum and similar light wallets so i think i'll just use simpleswap and electrum

assuming simpleswap tries to block the tx (idk why it would tho)

they probably only block really large ones

oh this won't be very large

i'm not money laundering or anything

<l​acekim:matrix.org> can some point me to the correct documentation to running monero cli threw trezor?

<3​dprinterthing:tchncs.de> Don't throw your Trezor, it doesn't have metal body like a Ledger S Plus and you'll break it! 😂

<3​dprinterthing:tchncs.de> If you threw it already you're doomed!

<3​dprinterthing:tchncs.de> youtube.com/watch?v=LRWibye6Egg

<3​dprinterthing:tchncs.de> That's just Exodus so no relevant but anyhow...

<l​acekim:matrix.org> this is what just referring to monero.stackexchange.com/questions/…llet-with-the-cli-monero-wallet-cli

lacekim: That guide is still accurate as far as I can see

Just has outdated version numbers

Any good theories about the massive tx spike over the past couple of days?

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Nah

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Whoops. Irc cant see

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> <s​nex> basicswap i think its called? seems super alpha tho

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Its at least beta quality, and close to RC

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> It works very well, just needs polish and ux

<o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Like.. dont use the windows or docker installer unless you like trouble

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> my middle name

07:40 < m-relay> <o​frnxmr:agoradesk.com> Its at least beta quality, and close to RC

what is RC?

is that a product or do you mean release candidate?

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> second part

ok lol

<s​omerandomguy_5245> YOOOO GUYS

<s​omerandomguy_5245> MONERO IS BACK UP

<s​omerandomguy_5245> WE ARE **SO** BACK

<s​omerandomguy_5245> now it has to go up another 10 dollars or so and we will be fully back in operation

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Price talk --> [Trash]

<s​omerandomguy_5245> the fuck you mean

<s​omerandomguy_5245> it's price is like, everything

<s​omerandomguy_5245> it means everything to it's users and those who mine it

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Nope. There are lots of other factors

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> And there are channels dedicated to price talk. This isn't it

<s​omerandomguy_5245> yeah but like, you can't just ignore it

<s​omerandomguy_5245> monero recovering quickly from binance delisting it is pretty significant, yes?

the price is something i couldn't care less about

unless it's gonna crash in like, 2 days, all i need it for is privacy

not investments

<s​omerandomguy_5245> wait do yall like

<s​omerandomguy_5245> not keep significant amount of money in a monero wallet?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> do yall just use it as a method of transporting value?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> that is safe from the feds?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> fedposter

no i don't keep a significant amount in

it's too volatile for that

crypto in general is

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> monero is very stable for a crypto

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i believe its the least volatile non-stablecoin there is

ig but i wouldn't put anything significant in it

not for a very long time

<l​akshmana:matrix.org> You'd shiver at what people I know are doing with their houses

<l​akshmana:matrix.org> (putting them into crypto)

<s​omerandomguy_5245> oh

<s​omerandomguy_5245> so like

<s​omerandomguy_5245> yall just use it to throw cash

<s​omerandomguy_5245> makes sense i suppose

<s​omerandomguy_5245> wait so then what is one supposed to use for storing cash?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> tether?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> cash?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> bitcoin?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> some other random stablecoin?

bank

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/hLuAlLXcyrEnrpJEpwcVZdzd

<s​omerandomguy_5245> makes sense

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/VciwnFmIMdhSubJhNZeqOPFd

that's why tiny changes in price don't make me jump up and down

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Dear community, I'm very sorry for doing this. Pls I need your help I'm in a cross road, my whole world is crumbling. Nothing is making sense again. My purpose of writing this is to plead for help and I'm doing this because as a community I feel you all can help me. I can't bear this cross alone again. Pls help me.

That's a lot of courage (or stupidity) to keep 5-figure amounts of XMR in a GUI wallet (hot wallet), on a daily use machine :D

unless it's a view-only wallet of course

d​avidolufemi: what happened?

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> m-relay: I'm in debt and my creditors are threatening me. I'm having suicidal thoughts already but I know there's always a solution for everything

how much debt?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sech1 this could be on a ledger or trezor

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> m-relay 148,000 naira

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> view only would say so in the top

are there programs where you live that will help you with your spending habits?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/elEXHZdmKrDbwwmixueSkbjy

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> m-relay: no

that's unfortunate

you'll get through this though

"The current minimum wage in Nigeria is NGN65,000.00 per month in 2023. It became valid on September 1, 2023"

having suicidal thoughts over what is basically 2x the minimum wage, it's stupid

find a better paying job, I don't believe there is no job at all

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive also already told you, set up a kuno fundraiser. if anyone wants to donate its on that site

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> not in random chatrooms

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> m-relay: the minimum wage is 35,000 naira

btw m-relay is a bot that relays messages, not one person :)

i'm aaabbb, behind m-relay

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Im still in the university, I can't get an average paying job unless I graduate

it's almost 0 chance someone will just send you money here. University? When I was a student I found side hustles all the time to earn money

there are some people who are in debt that would take decades to pay off, i think you'll be able to find a way to make money

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> It doesn't work like that here, I acquired a tech skill but I've not been practicing

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> out of curiosity i was looking at the website of the nigerian central bank

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/BuDjUeVakZZQiXpLvZrTGgar

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you have to make a PSA that funds are safu, funds are usually anything but safu lmao

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Okay

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> all their releases are great

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/yrvYbXFuFoYXibBgAKgUdozr

148000 might look like a big amount but it's not and it's not worth worrying about. Find any job, part-time job and pay it out little by little. Talk to creditors - if they see that you started paying out, they'll be more happy

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Can I go ahead and create one? Will I get donations?

yes and no

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/sPndAevQwQaQOzOhHNWnMVrj

Donations will not fix the problem of why you got into debt in the first place

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> It's a lot money sir. It's around 98$

because you'll get into debt again

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> The debt is over due

Only when you find a job and will be able to pay for yourself, then you will be safe from debts

<s​omerandomguy_5245> maybe mans got into debt as a one time reason

<s​omerandomguy_5245> like getting too drunk and running up a tab or something idk

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I sponsor my self through school, tuition, feeding and accomodation

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> refinance it with an institution that wont harm you over it

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I don't drink and I don't party, my grades are good too

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> It's not available here

<s​omerandomguy_5245> why DID you get into debt

<s​omerandomguy_5245> dats a good question

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> btw its pretty easy to make 100$ online

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youtube.com/playlist?list=PLOweupE79XXgW98QCtspuRoZZMMuypvQg&si

doubtful

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> @somerandomguy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> sech1, if he can get a fake ID and KYC with some US companies he can have it within a day

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youd be amazed by how much change can be made by sports-betting-arbitrage, gambling incentives, etc

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there are like 4 different US gambling sites that will give you 1$ per day for just logging in

oh shit really?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its a loophole. they have to pay it out to be considered "social casinos"

and they don't have a requirement that you play a certain amount?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> which circumvents a bunch of other casino laws

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> some of them do but i believe at least stake.com doesnt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but you can really easily wash credits into withdrawable money with the right strategy

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> btw the social casino rules are really funny

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can send a letter to the stake.com headquarters asking for a dollar and they have to mail you one back

lmao really? what countries do they do that for?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i believe only the US

aw

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but stake also allows payouts in crypto

all i'd care about is a free $1/day lol

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I don't think I can get this

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> seriously, if anyone needs a couple of dollars, check out the freeloader challenge playlist

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> most of the stuff works best in the US

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but some things work outside as well

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Please I need your assistance 🙏

try the tip monerobull gave

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> olufemi: learn2hustle

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I can't get a fake ID

then do the ones that don't require a fake id

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I have a tech skill

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Please put me through

how?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ill just call the saudis that own stake, hold on

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> put it to use

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I had my hope up 😔

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> sign up to fiverr or something

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> if you know python, it's very easy to earn $5 on fiverr with a 10 lines python script.

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> There are other ways of earning money, like translation, webdev, AI,...

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> But $80 is easy to get because americans have a lot of $

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hell, i bet he could make that much by selling local food items or banknotes or whatever on moneromarket

how much total is he in debt?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> like 98 USD

which, to be fair, is a lot for a student in Nigeria

min wage is like $35

not per hour, $35/month

$35 per what

ok

so 3 months assuming no spending

6 months assuming 1/2 spending

I'm assuming he already works somewhere to pay for the university and for rent

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> It's less than this

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Less*

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I can't get a job that pays more than 20,000(13$) per month while in the university

I don't know, I always found opportunities when I was a student. Part-time jobs, doing homework for my classmates (for money) and so on

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Please give me the benefit of the doubt. I can work for anyone here. I'll do anything. Please I'm pleading

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I do this too

i'm sure there are better places to freelance than here right?

maybe there's a channel here for that

<s​omerandomguy_5245> perhaps

<s​omerandomguy_5245> uhhh

<s​omerandomguy_5245> monero markets?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> idk

<s​omerandomguy_5245> wait

<s​omerandomguy_5245> THIRTEEN DOLLARS PER MONTH?

<s​omerandomguy_5245> HUH?

$13 equivalent usd

that's not uncommon

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ive mentioned like 3 different ways to approach this and yet you insist on begging in this chatroom

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I swear

there are other ways you can make money too

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Please forgive me that's all I can do right now. That's how urgent it is. Hence, the suicidal thoughts

you don't need to kill yourself. you can make the money on a freelancing website pretty easily

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i still believe kuno is the fastest and most likely option

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> waiting for donations in this chat is going to take longer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and the only realistic way i can see the chat-begging paying off is someone getting so annoyed that they give you the money to go away

The problem with begging and giving money to "go away", is that the next day you'll get the same 10x

So while many in this room can give a dollar or two, it's better to help the guy find ways to earn more money himself

or it will be new beggars every day here

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I promise this will be the last time

but there are just better ways to make money legitimately

you said you have tech skills, so a freelance website is perfect for you

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I just need to pay off this debt

you can

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I'll work harder than ever

there are thusands of people who will pay you on freelance websites

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I don't know how to convince you, I'm I'm tears any amount I can get now will go a long way

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I might not get a job today if I start

but you might

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Amd Fiverr is banned here

that's not the only freelance site

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if youre good, you can make years worth of average nigerian pay through a single bounty bounties.monero.social

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I'm not very good

what are your skills?

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> Flutter(dart)

im not sure what that is

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> For cross platform apps

oh

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/CMWQmoNlIWTpNdsgHuClKWcJ

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this sounds decently easy for someone with mobile dev experience

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> cakewallet uses flutter, maybe they have some bounties for you as well.

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I'll look it up

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> 879od2TtTaT5JGB4ULCiwATWSsbwZpGNdAVg6LJnEiFeRZvhJ3x3pM2RhjhmVipnVY2Kg2D8PdAcLReWozTJS3t6CvC1GL5

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> 🙏

?

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> It's my xmr address

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at least its a subaddress

lol

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> the nigerian princes are evolving

No begging davidolufemi

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> I'm not a Nigerian prince 🥺

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> King now

<d​avidolufemi:matrix.org> What can I do

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this was also a possible outcome

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> Is fiverr banned in the entire country ?

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> I mean, i could pay you to do my work on fiverr... but it will still take about a week before the first $5 customer

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Oliver twist was banned

<l​acekim:matrix.org> ty, all keep trying to figure this out. The issue is the trezor wallet isnt allowing me to pick the hidden account anymore. fdisked comp......

<w​ugic:xmr.se> Some time ago, I noticed many transactions with 140/2 (inputs and outputs) that continued for several days. They didn't congest the blocks as much as the recent activity, but it still felt unusual. This occurred before the announcement of delisting. Perhaps the exchanges were preparing for it back then?

<w​ugic:xmr.se> I might be overanalyzing the situation, even though it appeared to resemble some form of spam attack at the time. Could this recent activity be connected to that?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kinda weir

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kinda weird

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> binance would want many outputs if they want to be able to serve withdrawals without getting locked

<w​ugic:xmr.se> Here's an example: exploremonero.com/block/3032327

<w​ugic:xmr.se> The block is full, with only 4 transactions, and 3 of them are 146/2.

<w​ugic:xmr.se> Yeah, I'm probably overthinking it. It could be merchant consolidation or many other things. I was a bit uneasy because it lasted for some time.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> p2pool.observer says its unlikely this is a miner sweep

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I did inspect these TX too, concluded the same, not a miner sweep.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I did inspect these TX too, concluded the same, probably not a miner sweep.

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> they wouldnt be doing 1/2

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i was talking about the 146/2

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> theres no real reason for binance to combine outputs like that

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> why would they consilidate into 1 or 2 outputs ? would be harder for them to spend

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> unless maybe if they wanted to migrate funds from a hot to a cold-wallet

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Could it be any of the other exchange

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Could be other exchange too, just sweep deposits

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Could be other exchange too, just sweep deposits

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> Or it could be massive churning, before they consolidate and then spend

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> could be ransomware payments, we will never know

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> Good day everyone, a question please where are you getting Monero from and if you want to sell it or trade it? I know Kraken still does

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Can be anything we want to imajine :D

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> its mostly that dnm exit scam, admin might be churning outputs

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's just Tradeogre or Mexc sweeping !

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hello

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you already have crypto, tradeogre or (once it launches) serai

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> for fiat, localmonero or (once it launches) haveno

<w​ugic:xmr.se> There's a concerted effort by Monero detractors to undermine its functionality. Some Bitcoiners have even labeled Monero as enemy #1, and I take their words seriously.

<w​ugic:xmr.se> That's why I'm so concerned about these transactions, even though they may not be immediately harmful. I can't shake the suspicion that they're attempting to test the network and potentially launch a significant and ongoing spam attack.

<w​ugic:xmr.se> Of course, if they were to succeed, we would simply need to adjust the spam protection and block growth algorithms.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> or you use one of the crypto options to get bitcoin / eth and then cash that out on some exchange (risky because you can never know where those coins have been)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its a stress-test and the only cost is some node-storage

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> it only costs a few dollars

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i doubt its an attachk

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i doubt its an attack

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> we will see how it does in next few days

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> What's your take on Cake wallet please?

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> its ok, use vpn/tor if you are worried about ip leak

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i use my own node and like it

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> I see I can set up a i2p on Cake wallet

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Me too, I use one of my node

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Mostly with Feather and monerujo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the cake nodes are pretty slow compared to my own node and when im in the same LAN it is even more so

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> With Cake wallet?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/KDxgxXwuBdnaDOSaeRjXcOXd

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is so cool

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah, you can add your node in the settings

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> its cheaper to spam lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but unlike with bitcoin, monero stays useable

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/btjkmEolQwVRatDTatJkUSzY

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> woah

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> Can I use nodes from someone else? For instance yours?

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> btc has like 6-7x more txs even at spam peak

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nodes.cakewallet.com

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have a friend who uses my node but i am not going to post my home IP here :P

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Bitcorn get unusable every time price move lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Did not count how often I needed to pay way to much fee because I wanted out :/

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> 😅😁🥲

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> use one from the link ive posted

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> or from monero.fail

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> huh, cake link is down

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> yes due to limited blocksize , making tx fees cheap because there are more tx doesnt make sense though

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it does if the miners get paid more

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> But it stay usable, that's is the most important thing imo.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeap, spam can still be a problem, I assume some adjustment will eventually append (It's the first time we get that thruput )

yum. 0.679 block reward. xmrchain.net/block/3099153

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> damn

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> is that a record?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/efQGclZiFKVgmbtDhKRftcrR

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> looks like a single tx in that block pushed it up

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> I can't look into the website link 🔗

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ah ok

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah it seems to be down, try monero.fail

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> its usable for now, if the magnitude of spam increases and stays permament then forget about using remote nodes on mobile devices

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> they "needed their money, and needed it now!"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> theres a tx that paid like 30 xmr in fees

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> wat? high tx vol wouldn't affect remote node functionality

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> effect

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> affect

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> words

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its bcs of malicious nodes suggesting very high fees

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> yes, your mobile device needs to check through all those tx to find your txs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if you already have crypto, tradeogre or (once it launches) serai <<>> wen serai? :D

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> testnet goes live later today

\o/

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> couple more months would be my guess

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> ah yeah true. with the current system

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> the future is light wallet nodes and zk tech

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> whats the next gen system we have ? lws ? or something on paper which will come into effect in 2030 by the time blockchain has increased to a petabyte lol

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Is there documentation about how to test the serai thing?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> petabyte lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> last 3 months the chain grew by about 8.5gb

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> yah lower fees ftw!

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/aYQVphpVfofWklkxKnbCACIG

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Right now it's already way less heavy than yesterday

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> seraphis and jamtis have all sorts of stuff to make wallet <-> remote nodes work better i think

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> even if we 10x that its 340 gb per year

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> yah its all thinking for now

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> youre not hitting petabytes any time soon

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> and spammer isnt going to 10x ? fees will be cheaper bruh

<w​olffbolt:matrix.org> Big thanks for your kind help, mate

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> i know lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> there are more effective ways to spam the chain

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> It's CPU intensive to make the TX too right?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is very likely an exchange

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> So you have to rent more and more machines just to generate the TX

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> intensive for node

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> no

xmrchain going down. everybody panic

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> my mid-tier ryzen 2 thats also running a bunch of other stuff is below 5% utilization

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> yay!

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I use my own onion explorer, on my node VM....

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ahhhhhhh

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> why leaking info out when you can just probe your own explorer

<p​ndxmr:matrix.org> i use a i5 2nd gen

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I also have my own bitcorn explorer (mempool.space)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> RavFX 🤐: how do i host xmrchain in combination with the docker-node

and its back

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> phew

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> crisis averted

gingeropolous: thx :)

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> xmrchain just need to be able to read your lmdb stuff

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so just point it at the directory?

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> i haven't taken the time to learn the docker stuff so I can't help ya

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> monero:/etc# cat local.d/xmrblock.start

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> #!/bin/sh

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> cd /root/onion-monero-blockchain-explorer/build

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> ./xmrblocks -b /var/lib/monero/lmdb &

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> but running both daemons without that docker stuff and making it work is easy enough for me to do

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ```

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> explore:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> image: xmrblocks:latest

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> build: ./onion-monero-blockchain-explorer

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> container_name: explore

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> restart: unless-stopped

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> volumes:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> - xmrdata:/home/monero/.bitmonero

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ports:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> - 8081:8081

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> command: ["./xmrblocks --daemon-url=monerod:18089 --enable-json-api --enable-autorefresh-option --enable-emission-monitor --enable-pusher"]

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> volumes:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> xmrdata:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ```

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> looks simple enough with docker

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> right now its one more bunch of syntax for my head

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> is restricted rpc enogoughß

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> is restricted rpc enogough?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Normally I don't use docker, and none of my node use it

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I only use it for that monero node thing and why the map still not working 😭

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> is restricted rpc enough?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> On one of my node

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> apparently because the geo ip db is down

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and mine works because its presumably cached

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> 18089 is restricted

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> so yeah, you have to use 18081 if it's on the same box as monero node thing because they pur restricted on 18081

<l​akshmana:matrix.org> People dont read the fee before hitting buttons?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> apparently not

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Some people do many XMR tx per day

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> That a lot of asking to see what the ledger screen say every single time 😂

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yahouuuuuu

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/RkQxuuQnVVUCTUPGQlzmZAjG

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> oh damn

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I retract my previous comment about how it's better today 😂

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think this is spam

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Could be something else yeah, we can only speculate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if it were, it wouldnt be in randomly big but evenly spaced bursts imo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hmm

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/FANfFRuxVtUMYOVtkXJjrUVA

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> now this is a bit sus

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so many 1/2 and then 146/2s?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> why one would do 146/2 for an attack, doing do you are not attacking optimally

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> You are literally ditching your ammunitions.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Except if there sole purpose is to bloat the blockchain

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> but then you have less ammunitions to keep going

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> is my math correct when i say doing 146 1/2s is more than twice as bloating as one 146/2?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> true

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> and tx cost is basically the same?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> plus you can reuse all these output after

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think this is an attack or if it is, its not optimized for maximum efficency

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Same

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> the 146/2 are p2pool miner consolidations usually

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Anyway, good stress test is good stress test

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> yeap, but that easy to confirm or infirm

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I confirm that it's NOT p2pool consolidation

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> theres even a page to check for consolidation likelyhood

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> p2pool.observer/transaction-lookup

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> too much ring without ring size of 0 with corresponding massive 0/666

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/QtoNuWKvtqDgQcGrOrYbDwEt

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> these are all older

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/ELfwQAPcPOwTPoZujHtgwtdA

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Each spent output should have one with ring size 0 and second number big but start with zero (like 0/622 ) in that example

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> holy shit. 0.058880000000 fee .

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> c3pool.com/#

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> this is apparently mining on p2pool :P

<w​ugic:xmr.se> If this is indeed an attack, it appears to me that they could be attempting to flood the network with numerous low-fee transactions, thereby forcing regular users to cover the costs of block growth. Once the blocks become congested, they could then escalate by sending even more spam transactions.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> still doesnt make sense why they would consolidate

<w​ugic:xmr.se> If this this case, the attack is subtle. The block size increases slowly but steadily until it becomes too large and unsustainable. It's a low-cost and efficient strategy for the attacker.

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> to do what though. its just a nuisance that causes bloat. unless its an attempt to flood the chain with known outputs

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> maybe chainalysis needs money

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> so they spam now, showing they have the potential capability to trace on mainnet

<w​ugic:xmr.se> I assume it's to reduce the overhead on the wallet programmed for the attack. How many transactions can a normal CPU handle without getting clogged?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you can offload to gpu if you were serious about it

<r​ucknium:monero.social> xmrack: "How many transactions can a normal CPU handle without getting clogged?" Do you have an idea on this question?

<w​ugic:xmr.se> If this is the case, the attack is really subtle. The block size increases slowly but steadily until it becomes too large and unsustainable. It's a low-cost and efficient strategy for the attacker.

What makes you think that the 146/2 are the same entity as the 1/2

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I don't remember ACK-J saying anything about tx construction slowdown when he spammed stagenet/testnet: monerofund.org/projects/ring_signature_ai

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> well time to launch my churning script...

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it would be weird if they werent related

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it would be weirder if they werent related

Many times in the past there have been many 146/2 txs

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> CPU can handle the current amount of spam yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >Considering these factors, a modern, mid-range CPU with multiple cores can typically sign several transactions per second without getting clogged. For example, a CPU with 4 cores and a clock speed of 3.5 GHz might be able to sign anywhere from 5 to 20 Monero transactions per second, depending on the transaction size and software optimization.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> thanks, best LLM on earth.

the 146/2 tx pay a higher fee

<r​ucknium:monero.social> ....That's not ChatGPT is it?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its claude opus

<r​ucknium:monero.social> What's the source?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I assume 146/2 is just exchange sweeping.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I assume it's not related to an attack as it's like melting your ammunition into ingos

<w​ugic:xmr.se> If this is indeed an attack, it appears to me that they could be attempting to flood the network with numerous low-fee transactions, thereby forcing regular users to cover the costs of block growth. Once the blocks increases again, they could then escalate by sending even more spam transactions.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> probably youtube.com/watch?v=r7l0Rq9E8MY

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Ask the LLM what's the source for that info

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> lol

<g​ingeropolous:monero.social> the aether

ArticMine ^ thoughts "it appears to me that they could be attempting to flood the network with numerous low-fee transactions, thereby forcing regular users to cover the costs of block growth."

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> lamo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > I apologize for the confusion. The concrete number example I provided was a rough estimate based on general assumptions and not on specific calculations or benchmarks. It's important to note that the actual transaction signing performance can vary significantly depending on the specific hardware and software setup.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > To provide a more accurate estimate, we would need to consider the following:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > 1. CPU specifications: Let's assume a modern, mid-range CPU with 4 cores and a clock speed of 3.5 GHz.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > 2. Monero transaction size: The size of a typical Monero transaction can vary, but for this example, let's assume an average transaction size of 2 KB.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > 3. Cryptographic operations: Monero uses ring signatures, which are the most computationally intensive part of the transaction signing process. The time taken to sign a transaction depends on the number of ring members and the specific implementation.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > 4. Software optimization: Let's assume a well-optimized Monero wallet software that can efficiently utilize the CPU's resources.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > Given these assumptions, we can estimate the number of transactions a CPU can sign per second using the following formula:

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > Transactions per second = (CPU clock speed * Number of cores) / (Time to sign a transaction)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> > However, without actual benchmarks or real-world data, it's difficult to provide an accurate estimate of the time taken to sign a Monero transaction on a specific CPU. The time taken can be influenced by various factors, such as the Monero wallet software implementation, the number of ring members, and the CPU's architecture.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> >

ugh wall of text

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> ugh

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> chatgpt

<w​ugic:xmr.se> Assuming a 2-minute block time, a normal CPU capable of handling 5 to 20 transactions per second would be able to keep up with 600 to 24,000 transactions per block.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> claude opus

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> apologizes too much

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> chatgpt gives out a non-answer

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/KZWHOSnWcpcLIJxGUJjgQXVM

<r​ucknium:monero.social> chatgpt is probably more accurate for this question because it doesn't print the misinformation

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> le vpn

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I hate that when they do there generic anti Russia block after you provide the trashable email krrr

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I hate that, when they do their generic anti-Russia blocking, after you provide with the throwaway email.

Claude iz da nu thing

the high fee 164/2 tx are all mined now

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Yeah, english is not my native language but it still work fine lol

*146/2

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> arena.lmsys.org

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> direct chat, select claude opus

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Use VPN with IP from South America.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Chile or Argentina.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> at least claude gave you a startingpoint to look into it yourself

<r​ucknium:monero.social> If it could give a source, I could do that. Since it doesn't give a source, I cannot

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it tells you how to calculate yourself

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i dont think it can provide sources

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> phind.com can do that

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You need to know if the LLM's `time to sign the tx` variable is correct. If it's not, the formula is not useful

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> No, no excuse. I am sure they use commas too in Tajikistan (if that's where you're from).

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I think japanese are excused. Japanese is terrible for punctuation.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> 。

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Ugh, Cloudflare doesn't allow tor.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> I'm not exposing my vpn yet for AI.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> Regarding 'forcing regular users to cover the cost of block growth' I do not think that is an effective strategy.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> Assume normal/real use is 100kB blocks and that becomes 100kB worth of high paying txs per block during congestion;

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> By the time miners have built a 300kB block they will run out of high fee txs from real users.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> Therefore, the additional fees paid by real users would not drive block expansion.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> This is just an Ordinals moment anyway, it too shall pass.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> im selling btw

<system> file 1709681224439467.png too big to download (1325224 > allowed size: 1000000)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 1709681224439467.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> seed to wallet with all of these and more

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> There will be outlier blocks where regular user txs would pile up by chance, but that would be a statistically unlikely and would not move the short term median any more than another minimum fee flood block.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> Morbicious!

<c​rz:matrix.org> Are the moneropunks still active?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> i have a bunch of them in the same wallet

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> with hoodies and cool numbers

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but i dont know which

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> wtf

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/vBodqueYoftLOlJrHVBVShNU

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> these actually sold for monero at some point?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> ffs i could have gotten a bunch of neros

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> grafik.png

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> kek

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> guess they achived their goal and stopped

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Could be a real sale. Could be a fake to make money from people who believe it was a real sale.

<e​laryan:hackliberty.org> fake it till you make it

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Does anyone know why Monero had 96k transactions yesterday?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Just speculations

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Is this the reason why my transactions are taking 1 hour to confirm?

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> haha

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> perhaps

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Yeah. Increase your fee to get your txs confirmed in the next block.

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> How do I do that with Feather? xD

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I was thinking the same, did not see the fee option yesterday because you should use default fees they say

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Actually I think Feather doesn't let you do that IIRC

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I think it was never a problem until now

<r​ucknium:monero.social> docs.featherwallet.org/guides/transaction-fee "Feather automatically adjusts the transaction fee based on the number of transactions in the mempool. This behavior is identical to the “automatic” fee option in the GUI....It is not currently possible to manually adjust the transaction fee in Feather."

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Just for clarity, since I'm not very smart, if this was an attack, the fees would go up and people paying more for fees would not be affected? So eventually this would become cost prohibitive for the attacker?

fees would only rise temporarily, then dynamic blocksize would lower them again

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> eventually even people paying the min fee would start getting in again

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> So the block size would go up and the attacker could continue?

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> Minimum fees (to get your transaction into the mempool) never go up.

If you sent a tx with minimum fee, is there anything one can do except wait? e.g. could you send same tx, even from a different wallet, with higher fee, as an RBF?

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> What would prevent an attacker from flooding everyone that runs a full node?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it takes a LOOOT of spamming before this becomes a real problem

lol. since tx are relayed to all nodes, isn't it effectively "flooding everyone" that runs a full node ? :P

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Inge: Monero does not have RBF. You have to wait.

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> I'm asking because I'm not well versed on this haha

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> The block size limits are the ceiling on the volume of spam, and the minimum fee puts an economic cost on the attacker. Specifically, the penalty median.

rucknium: so nodes would reject the later "double spend" from entering the mempool?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Right

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> What is the current block size limit?

you could RBF if you have sufficient hash power to mine your own block with the new txn

but if you have sufficient hash power, you wouldn't need to replace the old txn

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I want to work on fee prediction later. I started collecting txpool data in December 2022 for the analysis.

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> Interesting

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> The current 'median block size limit' is 297.14kB. It is listed on xmrchain.net

What happens if the same tx is submitted to different nodes, so both enters the mempool of *some* nodes before being relayed to a node that starts rejecting it? Then it would be a case of which mempool tx is included in a block I guess?

<c​ryptomorpheus_:matrix.org> So what is the most probable speculation so far? xD

Inge: yeah doesn't matter. all that matters is which gets into a block first

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> That is a bit of a misnomer, as the actual hard limit on the block size is 2x that number. But to make a block that big miners have to be incentivized to lose the entire 0.6 XMR block reward.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> but minimum fee transactions will max out at 297.14 kB blocks as of this moment.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/iMbgpevyshGEWQfWHjsywxyh

Monero never wanted to open the pandoras box that is RBF?

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> here is a rough projection of how block size would respond if a minimum fee flood was maintained for a week.

<b​asses:matrix.org> imagine flexing drug money

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> the x axis is blocks, y axis is block size in bytes.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> Keep in mind that the tx volume we have seen has not been maintained, and the median reset to the default value as recently as ~160 blocks ago.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> To say it more clearly, all of the increases in block size that occurred before block 3099045 have been discarded.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if this is actually an attack, its not very thought out

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its most likely just some exchange signing a bunch of transactions and then broadcasting them in batches

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> If it is an attack, they have been very nice about it so far.

<s​packle_xmr:matrix.org> Another point, since I have seen people talking about it: The minimum fee can only adjust after changes to the long term median (of 100000 blocks). No fee adjustments have occurred as a result of the activity the past few days, and no adjustment will take place for the next ~70 days regardless of what happens .

seems the backlog is slowly going away, txpool size already went down from 6mb to 3mb

ermagerd what is this unauthorized access on moenro-wallet-rpc

script from 2020 totally borkin

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ah daemon login

no, wallet login

it has been coming and going

^^ the mempool

what exchange is signing tens of thousands of txs and broadcasting them?

and why

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Binance?

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> I suspect if it's an exchange, it's another one.

<g​fdshygti53:monero.social> Binance is already dry right?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I believe you can still withdraw?

wait, byenance said withdrawals until May 2 I believe so yeah

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Maybe doing some bookkeeping stuff

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Put everyone's xmr into a separate wallet/account?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Idk

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> (Everyone who hasn't withdrawn yet)

mystery solved!!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> So they can remove xmr from their backend but they still have a database with who has which account

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> And they can easily honor withdrawals years down the line

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> When someone who didn't get the memo of delisting sues them to get their coins

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Not entirely sure why they wouldn't just do 1/146 though

<w​ugic:xmr.se> Got it, thanks for the explanation.

<y​asabi:matrix.org> so i guess more regional banks are failing today?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> twitter.com/unusual_whales/status/1765430140476018965

you mean like people were saying they would in march 2024?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> definitely totally coincidental and unrelated to the recent crypto and stock market ATHs

it actually is unrelated to those things

1 year ago the fed bailed out all these shit banks and they used 1 year expiry assets to do it. and they had no real plan for what to do after that 1 year

<y​asabi:matrix.org> when the three or four banks went under this time last year it caused a shockwave, wouldn't the same be expected this time around?

probably

<y​asabi:matrix.org> so, wouldn't it be in the fed's interest to pump markets beforehand?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> finance sector instability will effect all markets afterall

this assumes the fed knows what they are doing

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> > definitely totally coincidental and unrelated to the recent crypto and stock market ATHs

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-offtopic:monero.social too

they dont pump markets. they just print money and hand it out to people who like to buy stocks

<y​asabi:matrix.org> ...which pumps the markets lol

they dont think that far ahead

<y​asabi:matrix.org> i agree "the fed doesn't know what they're doing" vis a vis maintaining long term health and sustainable growth. to say they don't know what they're doing with regards to profiteering, however, seems to be missing the mark to me

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> Let me look back at my notes. There was a consistent limit that I found

<r​ucknium:monero.social> xmrack: Thanks! ACK-J knowledge is better than ChatGPT knowledge :)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> You're right! everything i just said was a total fabrication. My apologies.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Rucknium: this 1 in 2 out tx can be excluded from the data as it was a 11.111111111111 donation to the general fund

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> p2pool.io/explorer/tx/f121298de25a9…2631882e2e3b2ad8519bbea5ebe870f1e62

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> nitter.privacydev.net/WatchFund/status/1765308975619211561

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> When spamming a network the signing tx/sec isnt the bottleneck its actually the 10 block lock on the change. You could get around this by strategically churning. I never hit the max tx/sec since my delay was mimicking the gamma distribution. The resource limits I hit were due to the RAM usage of loading hundreds to thousands of wallets into memory.

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> 16GB ram 24 cores: 342 wallets

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> 256GB ram 64 cores: 2000 wallets

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> 31GB ram 24 cores: 1000 Wallets

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> Here are some of the configurations

Do you really need so many wallets?

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> To collect a dataset: yes

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> To spam a network: no

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> If anyone wants to investigate dynamic block size look at testnet and stagenet during these dates

<a​ck-j:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/PbkTWDVjmEItzVTyaCknEhjU

<b​asses:matrix.org> github.com/hinto-janai/malvarma

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<d​ezinfik:matrix.org> it works

define "works"

<d​ezinfik:matrix.org> what is that number i saw it on twitter too

<d​ezinfik:matrix.org> i'm kidding it's a scam

<d​ezinfik:matrix.org> they now have unique id of post

<d​ezinfik:matrix.org> or they put random number to fight spam bots