whats the current time out drop policy for the txpool?

3 days?

Yes

was that just a magic number? I wonder if that can be refined

one could imagine with organic growth, the blocksize would increase at such a rate that transactions wouldn't really stick around for 3 days

whereas with a high spike spam event, they will.

like, i bet we could do some math and such and find that something along the lines of hours is probably enough

which would then have the effect of al this spam being dropped

and regular users could resubmit with higher fees faster

or hell, we could make the drop time dynamic

seems like me and the chatbots have some more python scripts to make

It was changed in this PR: monero-project/monero #3205

Not much explanation

The problem with lowering the timeout as-is is that nodes will drop any timed out transactions. So if we strike a fine balance in terms of expiry time, some txs will get timed out when they shouldn't and users will have to reconstruct the tx so it doesn't have the same TXID

but thats not consensus at all. i could mod all my nodes....

i mean, one could argue that a user doesn't expect a transaction to take hours, or days, to go through

Well yeah sure, but you'd have to get most of the network to agree to have a decent chance of having ur tx included in a block

a transaction that takes hours is a failed transaction

this aint bitcorn

i don't get your last statement. if i mod the code for my node, then it will drop those txs from its txpool

i guess my node would re-receive them from its peers tho

although that last code snippet u just posted means that my node wouldn't actually re-receive them

so if all block explorers mod their code, there's no spam attack.

lol

ima go break things :)

The last code snippet is why the network as a whole shouldn't just make the timeout period lower without further consideration

lol can't be spam if my node ignores all txs

What would be the optimal solution IMO is an optional RBF-like feature that doesn't affect uniformity, doesn't give away change outputs, and when not used doesn't affect 0-conf acceptance

i dunno about rbf. to me it breaks more than it fixes

i mean it seems like a bitcorn kludge fix

well a 3 hour limit didn't cut down the xmrchain txpool that much

but it will in about 2 hours

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> You've earned my respect with your username. Only president under which the US national debt ever reached ZERO

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> gingeropolous is going to increase support tickets, hey my pending tx is not visible on xmrchain

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> are there any other mempool which can be trusted ?

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> i mean blockchain explorers

<m​odul8:matrix.org> isnt darkfi launching soon? probably bitcoiners trying to make community switch privacy coins so then they can claim. 'ya see it has been usurped as private money' stick with traceable bitcoin.

<s​aylor:envs.net> @modul8:matrix.org dont u dare say anything bad about bitcoin. xmr is a disaster and the price reckoning of it going to 0 is going to happen soon

<s​aylor:envs.net> look at the price of xmr. i cant believe how braindead people must be to buy this coin. it's only used as dirty cash by darknet admins who eventually put all their money into the powerhouse bitcoin

<s​aylor:envs.net> shut the fuck up xmrcorn

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitcoin transactions take longer because theyre safer. xmr transactions are cheap and fast because the technology is flawed and thats why its getting spammed. bitcoin is protected by high fees - a bank in the cyberspace. monero is a laundromat for darknet admins who extract money from dumbasses like yourself

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> And that ain't saylor: At least the real one is hilarious, even when being moronic. This one is only moronic.

<s​aylor:envs.net> the only moron here is yourself trying to protect monero. this coin is dead in the waters. delistings from exchanges, spam attack reducing privacy and now this spam attack is delaying transactions by hours - worse than bitcoin confirmation times

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> 🤣

<s​aylor:envs.net> keep on laughing at yourself

<s​aylor:envs.net> the copium levels of this community is delusional. once the price goes to 0 i cant wait to see your coping mechanisms next. oh a price of 0 means higher privacy because no one uses this coin anymore? what's the next excuse?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Where is that thing?

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> Ah, found it. Be gone 😁

<s​aylor:envs.net> keep saying that and the 2 developers work on this project will leave to bitcoin too

<s​aylor:envs.net> sethforprivacy, woodser and kayabanerve trying to distance himself from monro - who's next?

<s​aylor:envs.net> sethforprivacy, woodser and kayabanerve trying to distance himself from monero - who's next?

<s​aylor:envs.net> let it be known that the darknet admins fund the ccs. but now theyve realized they can fund bitcoin developments safely too. why jump hoops in monero when you can use bitcoin directly? put two and two together to understand why monero is collapsing

<p​cre:matrix.org> This conversation feels like this scene. media.primal.net/uploads/e/7c/36/e7…2d275fdbf8c6a480a1dd4013bd1c83d.jpg

<s​aylor:envs.net> what a fucking joke of a scene

<s​aylor:envs.net> monero should exist in that scene. it will dissappear soon. if you invested in bitcoin early on the suffering was worse. from $60 to a couple of pennies - we fought through. this community is not as strong as us

<s​aylor:envs.net> monero shouldnt exist in that scene. it will dissappear soon. if you invested in bitcoin early on the suffering was worse. from $60 to a couple of pennies - we fought through. this community is not as strong as us

<s​aylor:envs.net> fluffy, woodser, seth all your developers are leaving for bitcoin or just taking their coins that bagged from the inflation bug

<p​cre:matrix.org> Yes you are the guy on the left. Telling us, how you sufferd from the price going up and down. from 60$ to 70k

<s​aylor:envs.net> you must be new to crypto and that understable. you havent realized it yet but bitcoin is king for a reason

<p​cre:matrix.org> But in realitiy you are getting assimilated by the same guys who fooled the world with fiat.

<s​aylor:envs.net> and you are getting scammed by darknet operators who swap monero for bitcoin or stablecoins

<s​aylor:envs.net> bankers have realized the force of bitcoin is too strong. why fight when you can join them? bankers have no threat on the underlying protocol on bitcoin. they are drawn by the energy, the light bitcoin illuminates in the dark shadowy world of cryptocurrency

<s​aylor:envs.net> privacy will never work online. how long until llms take over every chat room? when that happens kyc will be necessary for all social media. a self-identifying passport. bitcoin will help facilitate this

<p​cre:matrix.org> That is you path

<p​cre:matrix.org> That is your path

<s​aylor:envs.net> youll be spammed until it becomes unbearable

<s​aylor:envs.net> youll be forced to inevitably comply

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitcoin will allow compliance to be safe, secure and psuedoanonymous. monero will never survive

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitVM and zk rollups are coming to bitcoin

<s​aylor:envs.net> you fucking idiots are going to realize how dead monero is soon

<p​cre:matrix.org> Banker could also delist Bitcoin.

<s​aylor:envs.net> never. with blackrock we now know bitcoin is here to stay

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitcoin will be the settlement layer for safe bank transfers

<s​aylor:envs.net> trillions will be transferred on bitcoin. monero cant handle a tiny, tiny fraction of this

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitvm.org

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitcoin is king and always will be. suck it losers

<p​cre:matrix.org> A useful idiot until BlackRock stabs you in the back.

<s​aylor:envs.net> keep talking about hypotheticals

<s​aylor:envs.net> the devs of monero have already stabbed your back

<s​aylor:envs.net> so many bugs with how many years of development?

<s​aylor:envs.net> fucking pathetic this coin is

<p​cre:matrix.org> It is very naive to assume that what happens to Monero cannot also happen to Bitcoin. A childish way of thinking.

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitcoin contracts will allow for a second layer that can handle billions of transactions with low fees and zk rollups + privacy. bitcoin is going to win. why use monero?

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitcoin doesnt have 2 developers

<p​cre:matrix.org> When it happens, Monero is already three steps ahead.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Oh a new troll eh

<s​aylor:envs.net> we have thousands of active contributors. no one dares touches monero

<s​aylor:envs.net> i agree youre three steps ahead

<a​remor:matrix.org> Y’all feeding trolls again?

<s​aylor:envs.net> were 21 million and counting

<s​aylor:envs.net> people cant help but respond to things theyre afraid of

<s​aylor:envs.net> im here to help not troll. monero is a sinking ship

<s​aylor:envs.net> im writing down my thoughts. feel free to ignore if youre a fucking idiot who loves losing money to darknet admins

<s​aylor:envs.net> or mute me. its easy

<a​remor:matrix.org> Good. So you can leave this sinking ship of a chat room

<a​remor:matrix.org> With a guilt free conscience

<s​aylor:envs.net> no i enjoy laughing at dumbasses

<s​aylor:envs.net> and those who are smart - listen to me and leave

<s​aylor:envs.net> its like looking at the chat room of terra luna before the collapse

<s​aylor:envs.net> one cant help but laugh in being right

<s​aylor:envs.net> when monero collapses my messages will be screenshotted and praised. perhaps i was a little unprofessional here and there but my central message was clear. leave monero before it fucks you more badly than it ever has

<p​cre:matrix.org> He doesn't understand that we all don't own any Monero. We are fully stacked with Bitcoin. Most of us here are early adopters all together with millions of Bitcoin. We only switch to Monero when we want privacy. How much is up to us.

<s​aylor:envs.net> if thats true then im sorry for what ive said

<s​aylor:envs.net> tho it proves me right. monero used as a laundromat - as dirty cash. bitcoin is the light, the gold of the cyberspace

<s​aylor:envs.net> though it proves me right. monero used as a laundromat - as dirty cash. bitcoin is the light, the gold of the cyberspace

<n​orvegan:nope.chat> I lost all my Monero in a boating accident, I have none.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Wouldn’t this short circuit the block growth algo?

<s​aylor:envs.net> you wouldve lost it all eventually when the price hits 0

<n​orvegan:nope.chat> At least it could'va never been blacklisted and censored... like bitcoin.

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitvm.org/bitvm.pdf this right here will change the world. anything can be built on bitcoin. even another monero

<a​remor:matrix.org> Clinton ended with a surplus

<s​aylor:envs.net> you must be living under a rock. monero is censored and removed from all exchanges. if you try to deposit it into an exchange youll be arrested instantly. monero holders are left with either switching into bitcoin for safe exchanges or using shady cexs like tradeogre. p2p doesnt count because you can get scammed easily

<s​aylor:envs.net> when i talk about bitcoin exchanges

<n​orvegan:nope.chat> What am I going to do with Monero on an exchange?

<s​aylor:envs.net> i refer to no kyc ones likenoones.com

<s​aylor:envs.net> i refer to no kyc ones like noones.com

<s​aylor:envs.net> safe and decentralized without scammers

<p​cre:matrix.org> The day Larry Fink introduces Paper Bitcoin, we will all go "ALL IN" in Monero. That will be the EXIT scam for you.

<s​aylor:envs.net> you cant spend any monero so you need to withdraw it like a retard

<s​aylor:envs.net> bitcoin is accepted everywhere

<n​orvegan:nope.chat> I bought the esim I'm using right now with Monero, mate.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> get a life saylor

<s​aylor:envs.net> you couldve bought it with bitcoin - theres no difference

<s​aylor:envs.net> before you say bitcoin isnt private and anyone can see your balance

<s​aylor:envs.net> whirlpool and coinjoin exist. bitvm.org/bitvm.pdf is coming and bitcoin will be more private than bitcoin

<s​aylor:envs.net> whirlpool and coinjoin exist. bitvm.org/bitvm.pdf is coming and bitcoin will be more private than monero

<n​orvegan:nope.chat> Too slow and high fees and not private, I prefer Monero.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> you're a broken record. sad

<a​remor:matrix.org> Spend $7 in tx fees to send $3

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Guys, internet 101. Don't feed the trolls

<n​orvegan:nope.chat> I'm just a normie, this is too complicated and confusing to me. Monero is private by default, as all money should be.

<a​remor:matrix.org> 🙌

<a​nmelden:nope.chat> Hey guys how can I mine lots of Monero? The coin is getting harder to buy now and I want to buy a powerful CPU maybe to instead mine XMR

<a​nmelden:nope.chat> I try mining already and I can only get 2c a day maximum

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> If you want to mine lots of Monero, you need to buy lots of computers

<i​ntr:envs.net> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ceb04b7d5e4ef3aa1772557422628438016

<a​remor:matrix.org> Expensive ones

<m​attsdogface:matrix.org> How expensive? I dipped my toe in a mining pool with a couple old laptops and a reasonably powerful tower in 2020 and never saw a single payout yield.

<m​attsdogface:matrix.org> Does it have to be a HPC cluster with super computer capacity?

well it seems my mods didn't break monero

yes it did! we no longer have a backlog in the mempool

what will we worry about today? :(

I miss the old days of checking xmrchain and seeing 10k transactions in memoool

Memoool (with 3 o's even) what have i become

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> these butcoin coinjoin users coming here, seems like their buisness model is underthreat after samourai introduced xmr swaps & probably the ones spamming the chain & want cheaper fees to continue spamming

jack you can pay higher fees if you like <3

Mempool is empty. If they're spamming, they're not very efficient

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> cat , try to live like normal pleb humans who use mobile and live in remote areas and see how they suffer when spam peaks just 5x and we are unusable

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> sech1 nitpicking, they are owning 80% of decoys for just 4-5xmr

Set up Monero lws if you can't sync your wallet github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws?tab=readme-ov-file#about-this-project

They don't own 80% now

They don't spam enough transactions

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> sech1 do you have stats to show they dont own 80% 1/2 txs ? LWS lol go put some dev resources there is only 1 dev working on it for years or maybe half a decade and it doesnt even have subaddress or easy to plug n play for mass adoption ; Monero is for privacy not cheap txs

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> we enjoyed cheap txs, while we could; make it cheap again after you have mythical FCMP

Rucknium showed some stats recently

Jack show us your source for "them" controlling 80%

<v​tnerd:monero.social> LWS has subaddresses, but only on develop branch atm

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> plowsf i will ask these spammers to give out their wallet keys soon, so everyone benifits from it

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> thx vtnerd for sticking to LWS, i hope you get more hands to get this done soon

<a​remor:matrix.org> Used a mining pool why? That’s your problem

If spammers give out their wallet view keys, everyone will know which of their outputs are spent. We already have infrastructure in place for this - "monero-blockchain-mark-spent-outputs", so they won't be used in new transactions

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> sech1 yes and 6 months of txs will have very weak decoys and eae eabe would be easier , but i guess we wait for normal fork schedule as privacy implication isnt as big a emergency as some asic mining more coins

Rings are only 1 of the 3 privacy mechanisms, and this spam can't remove them completely

Even with the spam, effective ring size is 4.5-5

So if you churn even once, you'll get your privacy back

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> outputs megers splits path lot of things expose users

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> churning while these spam attack is worst thing to do when majority of recent outputs are owned by ccp

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> jack_ma_blabla: every time you mention the tx spam you point the finger in a different random direction. Have you made up your mind on who's "guilty" and what their goals are? 😊

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Nothing wrong with using a mining pool. And if you're about to say "whatabout p2pool" - that's still a mining pool ;)

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> should i come up with new ids like the one who want cheaper fees to continue consuming blockchain space for almost throw away price ? 100k txs for 7-8block worth of tail emission

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Old laptops (presumably Intel) are terribly slow and inefficient, so you won't get much. But modern Ryzen cpus are quite fast and have the best efficiency, and can be reasonably profitable if you don't pay a ton for electricity

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Oh look, another direction!

<a​remor:matrix.org> You saw the part about never received a payout? Likely isn’t P2pool.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> tx spam just doesnt consume blockchain space, its also hurting ring size at throw away price

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> seems like a bunch of core affilated guys have been give a script to continue supporting cheap fees

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> seems the fed finally infilitrated monero, they cant even take down honeypots from getmonero

Not really, just a few points that he repeats. I think we get jack's perspective

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> /s

Oh the fed thing is new lol

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Wait, I thought it was the ccp? Did they switch sides in the span of a few messages? Faster than you could make a PR with some documented reasoning?

I see /s :)

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you know what i mean ;) ccp fed all are one just different masks

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> A slow machine on p2pool main can take well over a week to find a share

<m​attsdogface:matrix.org> Noob attempt

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> i will go back to punching buttons to continue the spam, enjoyed my break

I put my keyboard in a safe place so Cat can no longer spam

<a​remor:matrix.org> 3 machines. 1 fast. He “mining pool”. Not P2pool. So why are you suggesting it’s P2pool? Who do you know randomly refers to p2pool as “I tried a mining pool”? You have no evidence to support the idea that it’s p2pool.

<a​remor:matrix.org> 3 machines. 1 fast. He said “mining pool”. Not P2pool. So why are you suggesting it’s P2pool? Who do you know randomly refers to p2pool as “I tried a mining pool”? You have no evidence to support the idea that it’s p2pool.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> more power to you cat, thanks for understanding :)

<a​remor:matrix.org> monerobull: something is wrong with the bridge. Sech1 and niocat are missing from matrix.org

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> CleverNameHere: anyway, what you may have missed is the fact that different pools have different payout thresholds. i.e. you have to mine a minimim amount before they pay you. Some pools have rather high thresholds

Someone tell aremor that the issue is with matrix

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/kGhnaWcFScePBIpCPVzeONvS

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Imagine being proud of this

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Thank god for self-select get_block_template

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> This is like a billboard saying: "Look feds, we have fine-grained control over the transactions we include in blocks"

<m​attsdogface:matrix.org> 1x 2011 laptop, 1x 2015 laptop - both intel and a 2019 tower w/Ryzen 7-1700.

<m​attsdogface:matrix.org> I did not know what i was doing...still dont really.

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> More hashrate = more income. Check xmrig.com/benchmark to get an idea

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Less power usage = less electricity cost, higher efficiency = more profit

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Intel cpus in general suck at efficiency, and old Intels are slow af too

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> tldr Ryzen rules

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Though the Ryzen 1700 is not as good as the 3000 series and later

<m​attsdogface:matrix.org> Can't recall the pool but i don't think it was p2pool

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> I only run the discord bridge

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Which has been running with impeccable performance btw

<a​remor:matrix.org> Who runs the Matrix bridge?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> Idk

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Thank you, mr Saylor, I am selling my xmr bags. 🙏

Managed to compile the Feather wallet on FreeBSD. For that I had to disable every Cmake option, which is all unnecessary bloat anyway.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> 🙌 me, sir!

I believe that datahoarder runs the bridge

aye

But it's not the bridge AIUI

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> So true, such wisdom!

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> That was fun, and jannies are faggots.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Stop banning the fun.

that might be an issue with matrix.org or monero.social

14:24:51 <m-relay> <a​remor:matrix.org> monerobull: something is wrong with the bridge. Sech1 and niocat are missing from matrix.org

monero.social has all those messages afaik

so it can just be your regular Matrix Federation Issues(TM)

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> It's an issue between the monero.social homeserver and the matrix.org homeserver

Bitcoiners want us to but the top, so funny. more time pass more it just look like the bitcoiners are behind the attack.. So they can then try to con use into buying there ponzi.

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> To be fair, bitcoin is probably a better "investment" for traders since it can replace gold for governments

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> But monero is the real money

yep. Bitcoin is hardly usable for money. You compete again banks to make TX in the base layer... And it's slow. LN have so many different issue, tested it a few time but you kind of need to have many open channels and you need to be plugged into the big node like blocksteams. Decentralization don't work on that L2, try to connect to some brazilian node and see how well it go.

Monero do have some scalability issue now that we got some help to stress test it, hope some are going to be addressed.. I think we might actually need more tor node (Like 2X it).

I'm doing node experiment and ... can we please have another stress test round now? I need to validate my experiment.

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how will monero whithstand social pressure and deanonymisation attempts? are t here any countries left where you can use cash without being classified as criminal?

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> It won't. It's over. Sell.

Most of Latam is cash friendly. I think all of the others want to get rid of cash in some way (by criminalizing use of more than very small amount or just by "obsoleting it"

well germans are also cash friendly but thats like 2/180

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> I don't remember "LatAm" being lockdown friendly. And yet... they complied.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> We're always one psyop away from total disappearance of cash.

every friend of china uses cashless societies and will push crypto to deanonymise users or even have digital state currency. france, canada probably are friends of china

Not all of them. I did not remember of having to comply with any lockdown...

mass disobedience canceled lockdown in some other latam country

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> You as an individual. But the operation was successful everywhere.

Mexico one lasted for 3 days

so its basically pharma bribes like extraditing assange for billion?

And in my country we where throwing parties while everyone was in lockdown

so sad that both lgbt and power struggles sell out

where I live it was parties only for locals, not wage slaves. by the way how are we talking covid again

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> They will take away cash.

what I miss most if perfume shop which had low profile closing down, such good perfume that lasted weeks, non brand, and gone. damn covid

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Just accept it.

what if Trump wins? he said no digital state currency? or its because Texas wants to become money laundering capital with crypto friendliness?

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> He will probably "change his mind" and he's "proud of how he can change his mind at any moment".

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Cash is their infra, it's theirs, forget it.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> You can't control it, they can, period.

well thats basically go out to desert and die answer, there is short time and some hope to survive. I heard monero was deplatformed and binance founder arrested for discriminating US citizens by not opening bank accounts for them. while US having bombed like 40 countries since WW2. Such a mess

but yeah Trump is something, I feel sorry for his son always not being good enough for his father

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Are you AI?

what do you mean, why

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> never mind

Binance is worthless for regular individuals because KYC

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> FakeNukes: the answer is go to the desert and thrive.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> a.uguu.se/nuiWOjWP.png

yeah answer is basically go out to desert and scam other countries like saudi arabia caught illegally exporting gold from africa

but im sure its like with VW- everyone does it but someone is blamed

by VW I mean diesel scandal. and back to crypto, how many regular individuals do KYC

I can see how an exchange is beneficial for a crypto-accepting business, but individuals? Hell no.

well crypto is gold rush, like with most innovations- until people catch up with it, especially government gangs and start making silly rules for it

but you said they will take away cash. who will work then, and for what, when you cant even protect your savings

I mean take japanese example- has yamasitas gold, dictates world on co2 emission laws, and toxic citizens live on the floor without furniture like they lived centuries for

and by gold rush I mean founders keepers, everyone else gets breadcrumbs and hard labour

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> I think you lost the context.

When did I say this about cash? You must've been mistaken.

I actually don't quite believe that, at least in any foreseeable future.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> My answer was not one of desperation "go to the desert and die" meaning (I assume) that there is no solution to the fact that we don't own the cash system.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> My answer was realistic.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> We indeed do not own it.

so its back to feudalism but technocratic one? its so brutal how people are just thrown out to build skyscrapers, doesnt matter if its china saudi arabia or europe

I mean seeing a bulding people lived in for decates just demolished in days. how many people were affected by monero delisting from binance or which platform?

The price fluctuated for a bit at least.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> FakeNukes monero folks give the least fucks about being delisted from CEX's.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> The future is decentralized.

I cannot imagine handing my ID to an exchange. That is just begging "leak it please and take a dozen microloans on it, I have a humiliation fetish".

what does the target of microloans do btw? I have similar situation of potential employer scanning my id but refusing job

well is google centralized or decentralized? it still can region restrict content, Im kind confused on this. wasnt it better when it was centralized, with 1 server in Us and everyone able to access and share content

what do you mean by decentralized? for example EU has data scanning laws and some or most linux distros are in EU. how it affects UK government law for backdoors in software, or monero transaction?

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> FakeNukes: Google is centralized, no matter how many servers or where they have them.

well governments are centralized in my world view, and google can always move

or its the same governments requiring google to have servers in their country?

Wouldn't a data-dumping backdoor being discovered in a Linux distro be big news?

+in regards of the same google, how it survives with all the adblockers and even microsoft wanting piece of the search engine pie

I dont know left wingers are quick to ban everyone "racist" you have a link to some source blueye healer?

source for what

of your previous message

I meant that as an expression that I am not that much concerned with legislation about backdooring.

If that does indeed happen - doubt it would go unnoticed.

well UK has a law for it and ubuntu is UK and some major linux developer and is marketed pretty agressively. open AI or which AI also made itself open source to get users data for free, im just casual user running away from surveilance and bank tellers laughing at my bank account statement

does monero have KYC?

is their website that people buy it from or where now? once delisted, they may go even further by saying its child abuse haven ect., like US blamed everyone for terrorism but this argument now is getting old

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> FakeNukes: FOSS is rarely concerned about regulations on software. I haven't checked the exact law, but it probably applies to entities offering software to their customers instead of "this code right there hosted on github from a random account with no guaranty"

The last question makes it very obvious this is trolling, how did I not notice earlier.

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> FakeNukes: FOSS is rarely concerned about regulations on software. I haven't checked the exact law, but it probably applies to entities offering software to their customers instead of "this code right there hosted on github from a random account with no promise of even working"

helasse, that is also why I have no concern about the "encryption bans", because who can regulate a random XMPP/Matrix server hosted on your balcony)

world is toxic in some place, BlueyHealer. Like you cant even have air conditioner in old parts of the historic towns. Same with encryption, good luck combatting FBI and CIA that has more employers than crime so they nitpick people

*in some places

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> "We have more people, your mathematically proven encryption algorithms don't work against us"

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Guys, conspiracy-central is that way => 🚮

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> wdym

<p​cre:matrix.org> mnp-payment --newaddr --amount 5555223 | morse -m

<p​cre:matrix.org> morse you payment URI

<p​cre:matrix.org> morse your payment URI

<p​cre:matrix.org> I need to try this with NFC

<p​cre:matrix.org> This makes Monero fun again.

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<s​implemachines:xmr.se> "guys, we're moving forward, we are in a partnership with Telegram, see? we've created real life telegrams!"

The offtopic attack continues, 89% of chat is now tainted

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d(^_~)b

<p​cre:matrix.org> Does Monerujo support NFC?

<p​cre:matrix.org> you can wrrite an URI with the -u option tag_write -u

<p​cre:matrix.org> mnp-payment --subaddr 1 | tag_write -u

<p​cre:matrix.org> to write via NFC

<p​cre:matrix.org> Chip PN7150

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Is there a place online where I can test randomx hashing?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unfortunately no. It would be easiest online place to dos tbh

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Maybe you can help me with this. I managed to run randomx-rs crate to hash the string "input". But I don't understand the purpose of the cache and dataset structs.

<x​fedex:matrix.org> i dont think that would be too much useful

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Even worse I don't understand why the cache struct needs a "key"

<x​fedex:matrix.org> QR code scanning is simple and more secure

<x​fedex:matrix.org> what's mnp-payment?

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> why does hashing with randomx requires a cache initilized with a key

<p​cre:matrix.org> github.com/d4ndox/mnp

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Just looked at the docs.rs but It isn't clear. It's related to the inner working of RandomX. You should give a read at github.com/tevador/RandomX/blob/master/doc/specs.md

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Cache refers to a read-only buffer initialized by Argon2d as described in chapter 7.1.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > Dataset refers to a large read-only buffer described in chapter 7. It is constructed from the Cache using the SuperscalarHash function.

<x​fedex:matrix.org> oh, never heard about it before

<p​cre:matrix.org> I have been implementing it for the last few weeks.

<x​fedex:matrix.org> nice

<p​cre:matrix.org> is fun

<x​fedex:matrix.org> i'm developer of MoneroBlock, Go-Monero and Go-Pool

<p​cre:matrix.org> where to find?

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> Thanks. I wonder what cache key is used so hash monero blocks specifically.

<x​fedex:matrix.org> github.com/duggavo/moneroblock

<x​fedex:matrix.org> github.com/duggavo/go-monero

<x​fedex:matrix.org> github.com/duggavo/go-pool

<x​fedex:matrix.org> go-pool is definitely biggest project, but the code on github is outdated

<x​fedex:matrix.org> i used it for sexypool.com, but now it's dead sadlt

<p​cre:matrix.org> I'm not so good with Go, but I've added the Blockexplorer to my bookmark list.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> I think I get, the key used for the cache comes from calling get_block_template seedhash field.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> I think I get, the key used for the cache comes from calling monerod rpc method get\_block\_template seedhash field.

<w​rought959:matrix.org> People I just entered my wallet on android, it tells me it's synced but my balance says 0.00 XMR and my transaction history is wiped clean 🤕 I hope this is just a displaying error, but I have no idea how to troubleshoot this? help 🥲

<p​cre:matrix.org> cu tomorrow guys. I might have a look at the block explorer - looks interessting,. very light weight. I must understand the sourec code first, though.

<l​ouis.signet:monero.social> I got it working now. The only remaining block for me to understand is wether the "height" is important at all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I honestly have no idea how is the mining process working and how informations from block mining template are used

<p​reland:matrix.org> Dear goodness I’m gonna lose my mind—

<p​reland:matrix.org> Is there really no FOSS IRC client for iOS?

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> IRC is dead. No one told you that ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (i'm kidding please irc bridge don't harass me)

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> Lol, foss and iOS? Are you ok sir?

<p​reland:matrix.org> I’ve done a good bit of foss dev for iOS, so it does exist

<p​reland:matrix.org> I’m just shocked that there’s literally nothing; like not even abandoned stuff

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> Not for irc in 2024? I say

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> Not for irc in 2024

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> I haven't looked personally but I've heard people complain about the state of irc clients for android

<m​mxxx:matrix.org> so I would only assume the landscape for iOS clients would be notably worse

imagine selling a kidney for a phone and not even deciding what apps go there

<b​rick:tchncs.de> They are In the process of phasing it out.