<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> dont mention serpahis and fcmp, those are not a solution right now

isnt 40 make the TX the same size as it will be for FCMP? Only difference is that FCMP is actually properly prunable (I think).

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> u sgp in disguise? ofrnxmr told me truth about u fed

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> liar fed

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increase fee = destruction of xmr

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> solution simple. increase ringsize so it effective around 24 then we wait until fcmp

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> anything else will destroy xmr may price worse and uncertainty up

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> 40 ringsize + 10x increase in fees & you make it expensive for the attackers to own a high percentage of outputs ; go do your counterspam after that nobody will stop you

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> u actual fed or sgp

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> go analyze some text patter and see if you find any resemblance with sgp

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> go analyze some text pattern and see if you find any resemblance with sgp

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ik u sgp

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> only idiot recommend fee increase like sgp

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> anyone giving some solution is a fed & you wanting cheap spam is a dmn vendor using tornado lol

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> i suggest ringsize 40

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> do u agree with me?

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> only bcoz sgp recommened increase fee doesnt mean its wrong

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> this enough because current decoy for 16 in 40 equivalent to 24

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> it also become more expensive to attack

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> anything above 32 is fine, but fix decoy selection along with it

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> i dont agree with fee increase for many reason. if u agree ok but no one going to introduce that change

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> xmrcracked is the new ceo

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ringsize will get introduced 100% but if seraphis or fcmp take until 2027 or 2030 this shit gone

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> are you artic ? bcoz you talk about cheap fees lol

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> no many smarter people than dumbass sgp agree with me

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> arctic is smart his solution is right

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> im not artic but i agree with him

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> xmrcracked if you can expedite fcmp or serpahis, be our guest and do it ; or else just dump your bags right now as its not coming before end of the decade

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> wtf who told u this shit

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> if not coming by end of decade xmr is gone already we go back to btc

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> i sell rn

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> go track past developement track record, thats shows the speed lol

<t​ermox:matrix.org> Do you have evidence of how much more expensive it will be if it were changed to this 40 rings and 10x fee but the same supposed spam was happening from March. Expensive is a relative thing and if it cost them just 10 xmr/day from 4 xmr/day then it wouldn't make a difference to their pockets lmao. Expensive to you is most likely going to always be cheap to a persistent attacker.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> yes sell it rn and tell your buddies

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> where i need proof actually

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> give me link

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> it will be 100% more expensive by 10x in xmr term. in usd term which attacker is in will have no guarantee because of price. this is hwy fee change is shitty solution. for ringsize change there guarantee of how much decoy will be in effective. rn decoy is equivalent to 5 decoys instead of 16 because of this attack. with ringsize 40 it will be 24 instead of 5.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> if you increase ringsize, they need to own a much higher % of recent decoys so they need to increase their txs & making it 5c tx its going to cost many folds as currently it cost sub cent

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> see u say 5c tx but u cant guarantee this so dumb

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> it will be 10x in xmr. in usd? we dont know

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> jack ma dont know why u pushing this when 40 ring is enough. u must be sgp fed

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increase xmr fee mean it going to be the same as other chain. if this case then everyone will be like why use xmr when u can go to tornado cash or btc whirlpool

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> xmrcracked here is your link r.mtdv.me/videos/iBLyOmocrC

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> fed i not clicking any sus link

<t​ermox:matrix.org> "Many folds" and "expensive" are all still vague amounts just saying. Pay someone to crunch the numbers else your bullet has no powder.

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> u can crunch easy. 10x = 10x current fee in xmr

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> it impossible to calculate in usd because jack ma is retard who doesnt understand that xmr price is not fixed

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/b…ted-effective-ring-size-non-log.png

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> attend next week MRL meeting and ask them directly , you are not going to trust my numbers anyways :)

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> if we increase ring size it better change here is the graph for expected decoy

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> bitcoin fee is $0.37 rn better than xmr if we increase fee

lucky for us we have people who have the skills to understand what is happening and to make the correct decisions

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> $0.75 for low priority

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> yes and these people know that increasing fee is STUPID DECISION

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> increasing fee directly what i mean here

best way to increase monero's fee is to pump the price :D lol

then we can pay devs more

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> how much in xmr is it costing this guy again

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> per day

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> is it 8 xmr?

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and how big is that btc tx size ? how often are the fees this low ?

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> 28.65 kb for coinjoin

btc fees only go up when I have to use it and I haven't used it this year so...............

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> Cat feel free to keep buying it daily from dnm vendors dumping it, there is no way to pump it as tomm some kid dnm vendor will come and markeet sell becoasuse he loves his butcoin

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> i love bitcoin yes so please increase xmr fee so this shit go to 0 and bitcoin wins

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and how much does that coinjoin tx cost usually ? and right now ?

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> stupid i want xmr to do good

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> it doesnt matter. the privacy guarantee is what matter now. 20%+ prediction rate = 0 privacy xmr lying

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> u have to churn for privayc what happen to xmr being simple and private just sned and it private?

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> its not used because its 0.01cent fee, its used because it had a so called effective ringsize of 16 before this cheap spam

ringsize was 7 for a long time

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> xmrcracked can you please leave xmr and keep using your butcoin

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> u leave fed sgp sucker

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> cant wait for 100 forks we change fee everytime price changes so msart

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> cat there was no chain analysis company looking at monero

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> cant wait for 100 forks we change fee everytime price changes so smart

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> ok retard moonboy

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> btc whirlpool is not moon it better privacy

you guys could DM instead of ..... spam the channel

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> normally not better

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> retard again talking about price going up , when its going to zero without a defence

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> i agree before xmr spam xmr was better than btc and eth but now it shittier

maybe we should charge per post

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> ok cat, i will go back to my cave

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> im spamming because jack ma is fed tyring to capture xmr

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> yes get out of here sgp fed

I need to go see another cat tonight

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> apologize to ofrn

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> per post, then butcoin moonboy will complain

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> stfu xmrcracked only feds say others are fed

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> i dont care this win win for me

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> ok crack head, go take some pill

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> if xmr shitty implements higher fee then fed capture price go to 0 and bitcoin win AGAIN

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> if xmr doesnt do this stupid and use ring size the coin may survive but u say 2030 seraphis so maybe no bitcoin win AGAIN

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> sgp fed

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> again butcoin retard, go mute yourself

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> go read what arctic and smarter people have to say

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> not sgp dumbass who got banned for fraud

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> ofrn still banned not fair

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> ok dan

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> sethforprivacy moved to btc

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> we know why now this shit going to 0

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> because of u sgp fed

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> and other fed take over xmr

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you can also go to butcoin, stop wasting your time here

<x​mrcracked:xmr.se> i actually wrong was before and i agree with u now. 40 ringsize and 10x fee

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> good for you, hope you can sleep well now

Yet another strawman joined specifically to pick a fight, oh boy!

As for sethforprivacy moving to BTC, if you read his blog post correctly ( sethforprivacy.com/posts/why-i-focus-on-bitcoin ), it has nothing to do with Monero going to 0 (which is not gonna happen anyway), but more with following the hurd basically.

And it's currently tempting to temporarily swap all your XMR for BTC because of the halving event happening in 24 days from now, so you can expect Bitcoin to go up by a lot and Monero slightly going down for the next 2 or so months.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Maybe its the doco guy

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> The halving is actually bearish if people understood the implications of not having Tail Emission. And having an ASIC mined network. But BTC people don't like to think of solutions to poor long term network security. Or keeping the clearinghouse (miners) decentralized and well behaved

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Normally halving could be considered bullish because the rate of dilution is halved. But in a network where that continues indefinitely then the tether between unit price of coin and hashrate is broken. and the tether becomes fees paid and hashrate

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Not sure what you're talking about.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> Halving is bullish.

<s​implemachines:xmr.se> There will be a short bear period afterwards, as always, then to the moon, as always.

<d​ufebo98:monero.social> Are there any articles about Monero Seraphis? I just want to know what he does and briefly understand what its principle is.

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> dufebo98: localmonero.co/knowledge/seraphis-for-monero

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Transaction pool

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> no of txs: 10023, size: 16615.38 kB

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Did someone start a counter spam ?

is possible

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> 50 blocks in mempool 😅

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Mass adoption

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> If Tom hanks started raving about Monero, this is what would happen

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Stress tests are good

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Where is the best visualizer for Monero tx data

<t​ermox:matrix.org> Not everything is spam.

prove it

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and everything is organic

<t​ermox:matrix.org> Obviously not.

<t​ermox:matrix.org> Are you a Sith, can't see gray can you.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> grey isnt visible in this flood of black marbles

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i'm pretty sure "flood of black marbles" is not the correct way to put it

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> sorry i am chinese, but you do get my point

<p​reland:matrix.org> Is it just me or all the public nodes dead now lol

no idea, I haz my own

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> a few modes are working, check monero.fail

<p​reland:matrix.org> All the ones on there that I’m checking are failing (unless it’s an issue with Cake Wallet)

<k​arano:poddery.com> 11k txs pending

<k​arano:poddery.com> geez whats happening

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> dexes doing 1/2 transactions, serai is online 🤣

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> on a serious note, attacker is paying ~0.306 XMR for 10k txs

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> only if we had some legit fees

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> sub cents for the win!

<p​reland:matrix.org> What concerns me is how the increased size of mem_pool hampers node syncing….

<p​reland:matrix.org> Like legitimately if someone were to pour like 10k worth of XMR into an attack, I’m not sure what would happen

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> nothing would happen, Argentinians would demand remote nodes to be fixed and would want sub cent fees

<p​reland:matrix.org> Lol

<p​reland:matrix.org> I’m just thinking in terms of block height desync

my node is fine

<p​reland:matrix.org> Isn’t it currently like over 50 blocks between the highest and hashvault

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> blocksize would grow slowly and some remote nodes will go out of biz, argentenians cant afford localnodes anyways as they cant even afford 5 cent fee

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> monero will be be dead in matter of weeks

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> The problem isn't the minimum protocol fee. The problem is that not many people use Monero lol. If tx-pool was congested with honest users then this attack would be much more expensive

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and someone from polar region will wakeup to see the mess & after 6 months we will have a HF

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> in the meanwhile you get to buy cheap moneros

my node is using 4% of my cpu

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> if i do 100 txs, the attacker just has to do 900txs and own a huge majority of decoys while the fee is cheap its easily doable

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you cant outgrow spam with legit transaction, while keeping the fees low

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> My current take on the attack we are facing is the following: (1) If we had Full Membership Proofs then the privacy implications of this attack would be low. But Full Membership proof will take time to be assessed and implemented in a secure manner. So this is a good future goal, but can't solve the issue at hand. (2) If honest usage was high then fees would be higher. If fees wer<clipped message>

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> e higher it would be harder for a flood attack like this to happen.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> Cat you are a different animal, humans with mobiles dont have a node; our poor Argentinians cant afford local nodes

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> You can outgrow spam with legit transactions, but it takes time. Clearly Monero's adoption growth has been slow and steady haha. So this isn't something that will magically appear either.

<p​reland:matrix.org> Public? Lol

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> fcmp isnt coming anytime soon, we can wait for it and keep monero unusable for Argentinians with cheap fees or increase fee and force Argentinians to starve as they cant buy that extra egg

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> It is a bit disheartening to see that a spammer is effectively reducing ringsize because demand for Monero block space as a medium of exchange is so low. The only two explanations for demand for monero block space being low are that there are better alternatives to Monero as a medium of exchange in the eyes of others OR that they are ignorant / unaware of Monero and the features t<clipped message>

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> hat make it desirable

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you can wait for that organic legit tranasctions to come & in the meanwhile fill the blockchain and hit your effective ringsize

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I think wait and see is actually the best response

maybe people aren't using crypto as a medium of exchange

speculate on that lol

<p​reland:matrix.org> My take on fee increases is this: it will effect both an attacker and normal users equally, which means the effective ratio of attacker transactions to normal transactions remains relatively the same.

<p​reland:matrix.org> Plus, keep in mind how little xmr is required to perform an attack of this power. To put it in perspective, almost the exact amount of money used on this attack is the same amount I am currently trying to use for a transaction 😂 I have basically nothing in xmr, so that’s a rly bad sign

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> But it is a risky gamble because high threat model dark net actors won't be pleased as the the effective ring size asymptotically decreases over time

<p​reland:matrix.org> Even if you increase fees tenfold, that is still too big an issue

<p​reland:matrix.org> This would be fine if mem_pool could realistically scale et infinitum. Unfortunately that clearly isn’t the case

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> why is it a issue ? its not expensive

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> monero is use for privacy , not because it has low fees

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I agree with preland. I think we the Monero believers just have to take a temporary "loss" "take this L" in the form of reduced effective ring size and sit tight. There aren't really alternatives to Monero, so it's still better than competing privacy coins.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> for low to zeero fees there is nano or ltc

<p​reland:matrix.org> As in it would still be easy to pull off

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> If there were competitors to Monero with meaningful advantages then it would be a different story

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> loss of privacy for 6 months , is not a small L

<y​olo12:matrix.org> Hello there i send some XMR with gui wallet about and hour ago and in wallet transactions still doesnt appears this one, and also isnt arrive, what i cant do? please help

We just beaten old mempool constipation record. (old : 11.9K TX, current : 12K TX)

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> ok jack, what alternative will people use instead of Monero because of the attack? digital fiat is garbage. And BTC has little privacy features. Will they use Zcash? If so why?

yolo12: did you update your wallet in the last 10 days?

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I just don't see what people will switch too just because Monero's ring size is 30% of it's nominal face value

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> a weird decoy selection algo taking in majority of recent outputs is also a thing to look at , making this spam attack effective

<y​olo12:matrix.org> can somebody help me here please?

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you cant predict what coin will be used, they just need to bribe a few dnms and get it rolling

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I'll wait to hear what alternative you think high threat model actors will switch to with the decrease in effective ringsize. My point is that you are right, this is not a desirable situation. But in practice Monero is still better than everything else for private online transactions, so in practice people currently using Monero will still use Monero

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> i have a weird feeling zeph is behind this attack

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Run your own node and connect to it. This will likely resolve the issue

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> using localnode doesnt solve your effective ringsize problem

<y​olo12:matrix.org> are u talking to me?

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I'm talking to you yolo

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> yolo12: no, its someone on the irc side

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> your description is too vague so I can't tell exactly what the problem is

Yes yolo12, did you update your wallet recently?

<p​reland:matrix.org> He wasn’t, and the reason it hasn’t sent is because the network is currently congested

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> or monero.social

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> the bridge is broken like anything monero

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> anyways jack ma, I still haven't heard you list any alternative currency that people using Monero will switch to? I'm waiting buddy

You need to use latest version of Monero GUI for auto fees to work properly, else TX get sent with low fees and currently, will take a few hours to get processed. You can alternatively select "normal" fees when you are making a new transaction.

<p​reland:matrix.org> Monero isn’t broken; it’s working exactly as intended

<p​reland:matrix.org> The issue is that we didn’t know the full extent of what that meant until now

<y​olo12:matrix.org> so i just have to wait? bcs the money are gone from gui and i cant even find the hash of the transaction

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> @free i can predict which shitcoin is going to go and bribe those dnm operators

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> cant*

yolo12, I don't have much experiance with monero wallet gui but for sure, if it did indeed get sent with low fees, you have to wait for a few hours for sure.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> yolo12: switch to using featherwallet

I approve, featherwallet best wallet, you can open your current monero wallet file with feather wallet and so you won't have to resync all

<y​olo12:matrix.org> thanks for the advice but i need a solution here im missing 400 euro

well, if you open it with feather wallet you should see the payment in the history

<y​olo12:matrix.org> i cant even find the transaction id couse it doesnt show up the transaction on gui

<y​olo12:matrix.org> im using local node on gui is there any way to search manualy for this

don't worry guys this is just counter spam so if the intent of the original spam was to own enough outputs then it will no longer work

your 400 euro is not lost, you can try to do a rescan of spents I think

or use a proper wallet (featherwallet), you should see your spend there or also rescan spent

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I'll be waiting

<k​arano:poddery.com> who is doing the counter spam ?

yolo12: in GUI wallet, go in settings, you have option "Scan transaction" and "rescan wallet balance"

<y​olo12:matrix.org> im using long time gui wallet and also today i received the money on it without problems, this is the first time this happend to me i sended the money and its not even showing the transaction....

use scan transaction first

sorry counter spam was just Cat falling asleep on the enter key

but before doing anything, if you did not update monero wallet gui in the last ~10 days, please, close the wallet & node, and update monero wallet gui

<y​olo12:matrix.org> is gui wallet has any suport team?

you can try #monero-gui or #monero-support

karano just speculation like everything here :)

<k​arano:poddery.com> lol

<k​arano:poddery.com> everything is not speculation here i think

<y​olo12:matrix.org> i cant find this option on settings bro

It should be so easier if you would use feather... wait, Maybe it's something about advanced mode... opening GUI to see what/where

<y​olo12:matrix.org> i found it

<y​olo12:matrix.org> it says pending and has 0 confirmations

ok, there, not lost! You have to wait a few hours until it get confirmed.

PLEASE update your wallet asap to last version so you get proper auto fees (if you want your transfer to go in next block)

<p​reland:matrix.org> Unrelated note: can we archive the monero subreddit? I think we should rip off the bandaid before the bot manipulation starts having real-world effects on the network.

Someone could refresh me my memory maybe. Let say I want to spawn 4 extra nodes in my network, it's possible I think to make them so they all sync from the main node (instead of from internet peers)? And maybe, to continue to interact with that node only, for p2p. Like having a master node that do the p2p talk on the internet and the slaves nodes that only talk to the master node for there p2p needs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Better of asking the banned one

Im bot sure if --add-exclusive-node has the desired effect ravfx

Yeah, will do that

I think i did see add exclusive node before, thanks plowsof, I'm going to test that now.

To test if a specific node has p2p traffic thats the flag to use , thats all ive used it for

yep, it work, great. So my reinforced node won't look like 5 nodes on the internet

Should I use --allow-local-ip too? Because while it connect, don't seem to be able to sync

<3​21bob321:monero.social> monerodocs.org/interacting/monerod-reference

yep, it work, got to add --allow-local-ip to my master and slaves nodes too

<3​21bob321:monero.social> docs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> monero.study/interacting/monerod-reference/

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Fluffychat sucks ballz

raaa, my slave nodes block my master node lol

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Self censorship

<a​ndrewjackson:matrix.org> This happened to me yesterday, I just used "flush_txpool" and the coins returned to my wallet

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> no of txs: 6355, size: 10958.87 kB , great it has come down a bit