<3​21bob321:monero.social> Vaulwarden for homelab people

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Plowsof wont use it cause its in rust

<m​odul8:matrix.org> downloaded the app image and it asks for email address. no thanks.

<r​ails11326206827:matrix.org> KeePassXC, or self host bitwarden with vaultwarden

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Email is for login?

<b​az:monero.social> pass w/tomb + security key bois, fuck all the cruft

<b​az:monero.social> github.com/android-password-store/Android-Password-Store

<b​az:monero.social> github.com/roddhjav/pass-tomb

<b​az:monero.social> passwordstore.org

<b​az:monero.social> github.com/dyne/Tomb

<k​jeks:matrix.org> one can always have a safe mail

<b​az:monero.social> `proxychains ssh gunter⊙ko 'cat kyun.tomb.key' | tomb open kyun.tomb -k -`

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I write on paper and burn after reading

<b​az:monero.social> imma be real, trurkish coffee is rubbish. i don't care what anyone says.

BlueyHealer: "Smartphone first" is a common way of saying "fuck you, desktop users!".

When I make websites/webbackends, I take the opposite approach: CLI browser first, and GUI (desktop) browser second. Most of the time, it automatically gets to look nice on mobile browsers too that way.

It only doesn't if I use HTML tables though.

lol nice

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/rvSUoeLkGxnorviDYeJJWQmV

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Really have something against CCs thats for sure

<b​asses:matrix.org> KeepassXC and Bitwarden have different purposes

<b​asses:matrix.org> the formal is offline and the latter is cloud based

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> Who's gonna in prag this june ?

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> Who's gonna be in prag this june ?

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> Who's gonna be in prague this june ?

<k​okoqeen:matrix.org> Who's gonna be in prague this june for monerokon ?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/goxKeIyEXNwCNVrTTMAivetE

not all presenters will be going to prague

<b​asses:matrix.org> expected locking it much earlier

<b​asses:matrix.org> lmao

<b​asses:matrix.org> payback

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/chwOGQygIemUOVcTVwSmZIcI

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> State of monero.

<b​asses:matrix.org> eylenburg.github.io/payments.htm

<b​asses:matrix.org> twitter.com/zachxbt/status/1775193016363356238

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Old

<b​asses:matrix.org> does monero have a status page? plowsof

<b​asses:matrix.org> for all services

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> You ask to many questions…. That how people disappear here

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Or banned or muted or both

<b​asses:matrix.org> .......

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> Hey is there any data that indicates monero being undervalued? A statistic.

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Dont worry about this

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> market determines the value, everything is else is just theoretical and impractical

<k​jeks:matrix.org> But statistically speaking, the only thing that matters in finance is the "return to average" concept. The rest is abstraction. And the 200 day moving average rn is around 153 usd. So statistically speaking monero is 16% "undervalued"

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Maybe you're referring to the rumored price of 1500$ XMR. I don't remember the name but someone on r/monero linked to a chart showing that monero did follow law stating that transaction volume setup prices. At the moment Binance took over XMR, price stopped following predicition of this same law

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Likely sign of price manipulation or paper xmr according to this user

<k​jeks:matrix.org> But IMHO price doesn't matter for crypto, but its use. Monero is undervalued right now because only few people use it. Businesses should see value in adopting monero as payment. This is what matters

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Bitcoin-backed banks my ass

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Every legal institution have to pay their bills. Until they are able to seamlessly transition from XMR to fiat they have no interest at adopting monero.

binance price suppression with paper monero lololol

I was promised a delisting pump by those people

seemed to be the opposite

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> for business to accept it, they need easy convertibility/liquidity + ease of use

<k​jeks:matrix.org> one thing about privacy is that its never easy

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> using tor is hard ?

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> the price itself is not that important, but local price stability is important because you don't want the value of the currency to change over the course of the transaction

<k​jeks:matrix.org> I mean, between privacy and convenience, people will mostly chose convenience

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> they can put a buffer/markup price

and privacy is not a static thing, more like cat and mouse

<k​jeks:matrix.org> And governments will make everything they can to make it not convenient to use a privacy coin

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> thats what fixedfloat type of exchanges do

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Thats why they are pushing bitcoin on ETFs and so

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> make it as convinenent as possible, waiting for your wallet to sync is so old, lws is in works for half a deacde ; imagine if bitcoin had similar ux

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> make it as convinenent as possible, waiting for your wallet to sync is so old, lws is in works for half a decade ; imagine if bitcoin had similar ux

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> i always assumed tor and i2p were pretty broken. privacy on the network layer is very difficult. tor acts like a nice free DNS and VPN though (albeit slow) as long as you only need TCP...

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Yea I agree about the sync thing. But thats the thing about having custody over your money, you just don't accept what the bank says you own. You check it (actually your processor but you get what i mean)

<k​jeks:matrix.org> I never understood why when you're syncing and you're close to the last blocks, it syncs like 20 blocks at a time. Should be more...

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> lws?

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> whats that

will work like a light wallet, scans in the background as it has your view keys

there are some services that do this

LWS light wallet server

you will be able to run your own or for others that trust you, view keys after all

no need to sync as it's always synced

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Matrix user nioc

jack is going to help with it :D

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Aka LN user

good morning Dan

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jack of all, master of none

Cat is the master

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Hello how is NK today

raining

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cats and dogs?

yeap

FCMP incoming :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> GF slush fund ?

MRL slush fund

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Blank cheque

GF will contribute

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I dont think it should be open ended

I don't believe it will be

it's not kovri lol

or a front end

at least the GF will be used for once

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> github.com/vtnerd/monero-lws

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> If lws was widely used, we would have already updated to a higher ringsize. But no, we look at shiny new things all the time and forget basic things that can be completed right now.

youre insane

lws doesn't solve verification time issues on the node side

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> oh that seems really unsafe

lws has existed since 2014

and besides, blame yourswlf for once

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> What unsafe ? run your own LWS

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> it's still running a daemon all the time with your view keys

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> host it at your home, connect to it via tor on your mobile device

i have had zero help on releasing the updates but have had my disclosures run off with lol

so just cut the nonsense

all you seem to do is complain

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> admittedly not as bad as giving it your spendkeys

become a dev

it's not as hard as convincing others to help you

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> so ? view keys just gives access to incoming txs nothing else ; secure your device if you are so paranoid about your view key

or themselves

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> but isn't it easier just to run an ordinary node, and then patch your light wallet to intermittently sync in the background

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> no, your wallet still needs to go through all the blocks everytime you open

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> oh I see

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> hmm well I guess it's not that bad

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> no, your wallet still needs to go through all the latest blocks everytime you open

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> you could give the background process your viewkeys

not all the blocks, just the ones since last time you opened it

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you can, if your wallet is capable of handeling mulitple viewkeys & doesnt need to redownload same blocks again and again for each wallet

you can intermittently sync your wallet ofc

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> you can, if your wallet is capable of handling mulitple viewkeys & doesn't need to redownload same blocks again and again for each wallet

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> instead with LWS all your wallets are instant synched when you open, you dont need to dl blocks on your device which has your wallet keys

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> maybe after 5yrs we will have LWS

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> yeah I guess lws is better if you run your own daemon

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> a incentive for users to run their own nodes at home

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> and not depend on remote nodes

LWS brings convenience, you guys wanted convenience right?

jack, get to work

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> I kinda get the impression that most people don't want to run any daemons though. The only thing that could get me to run a daemon myself is if they add payment channels

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> and even then, it's like you lose internet for too long and they can close the channel on you

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Use vtnerds lws

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> there is no incentive to run your own node, they still need to dl blocks on their mobile either it someone else running a remote node or their own node

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Not updates tho

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> with lws they will run their own node

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> or their frnds node

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> more nodes everywhere

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> yeah

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> what if there was another type of key lower than a viewkey

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> like an "identify" key

seraphis has light wallets with better privacy

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> same as viewkey but you couldn't see the amounts

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> That comes with serpahis, which might come in 2030

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> we need a fix now

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> yeah hopefully they fix the viewkeys someday

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> cause you cant view the outputs

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> so its kinda lame

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> that isnt going to change anytime soon

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> LWS also puts mymonero honeypot out of buisness

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> maybe that is a reason development is so slow

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> I guess mymonero is like if you're stuck on an iphone and can only run webapps...

jack the mymonero partners literally funded the creation of the open source lws for free

so wtf is your deal

dev is so slow

youre complaining?

youre either one of the people disrupting it or you have zero clue as to most of monero's history

learn how to contribute

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> no mymonero is a lucrative app for plebs who want instant sync wallets like every other crypto coin they use, but they dont understand they are giving away their view keys

oh so youre privvy to their finances are you

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> mymonero must have hundreds of thousands of view keys by now

i stayed in a basement and on the street after losing my past savings and relationships just to listen to this shit

<t​rasherdk:monero.social> nobfg9000: The lame part is that you clearly fail to grasp how view/spend keys work.

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> @endogenic we are yet to see your product you have been talking about for months now

<k​jeks:matrix.org> Isnt there private and public view keys?

f is your point jack? you just being selfish or what

or just intentionally mean?

we have no place for either here

kjeks yes but you need your sec view key to scan via lws

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> kjeks: in theory you could store it clientside with localStorage

the pub key is literally in the addr

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> the problem with webapps is that the site can change the code while you're not paying attention

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> it would be cool if phones and stuff supported "offline webapps" basicially just viewing an html file