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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> when unban ofrnxmr
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> yes scammer. it hard to read there but Paolo (ceo of tether) was one who message cz first. Paolo got scared that $250,000 of short by sam bankman scammer was going to depeg usdt. all of the price you see is fake. this why no one should worry about xmr price until tether and all other shitcoin go down
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> usdt is perhaps the greatest money laundering operation in history
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> they top 10 owner of us treasury. this big
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> the vast majority of capital flowing through cryptocurrency is simply from the third world trying to access the U.S. dollar from their own (more inflationary) economies. systems like USDT are not real cryptocurrencies they are conventional payment systems/institutions branded as "cryptocurrencies" to bypass financial regulation
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> wrong not vast majority from third world. vast majority from scammer/hacker/drug dealer
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> and financial fraud
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> most crypto institutions are themselves corrupt or insecure (pretty much every exchange and stablecoin). I think the whole CZ/FTX situation here was CZ trying to contain the FTX collapse so it did not spread to the whole system.
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> sbf trying to take down everyone with him when ftx collapse your right. but how crypto decentralized if one man with $250,000 can take down the whole market? price scam until usdt collapse
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> when usdt collapse we see the real price of everything
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> true
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> we live in a society
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> I think you could take down BTC with ~500k (according to my napkin math)
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you cant take down with anything. all btc price based from cex. even dex like bisq base price by averaging cex price. if you try to bring btc down has to be done on cex. but if you try to trade against house (cex) they see it and will make moves against you to steal your money. if you short they will pump the price. if you long they will short the price
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> it actually easier to bring down xmr than btc
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<detherminal:matrix.org> no, the market chooses the price. not the cex, nor the dex. binance can't choose to sell monero at 1k because they wanted to.
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> "the market" doesnt exist in crypto
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> when the biggest pair for all coins is usdt
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> I have a unique strategy regarding bitcoin
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you finally understand what the market is
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> involving the intersection of multiple technical weaknesses of the network
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> dont play in the casino... the house always win
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> a house divided against itself cannot stand
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> here paper for proof. i argue with research not my feeling:
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> not exactly true
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> exchanges don't need to allow users to take their coins out
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> from cfo of tether... he admit to manipulating the price
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> in fact, I think most exchanges will do something like they will wait for you take your coins out and then prompt you confirm your ID...
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> what more proof you need there no market in crypto
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> they can take as long as they want to confirm your ID
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> some cex make it that every time you want to withdraw you have to take photo and have kyc
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> withdraw from cex to ledger
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are you the guys that said that the binance delisting would cause the price to go up because they were suppressing the price?
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> no that idiotic. look at my name
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> who said that? probably bag holder who stupid
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> i dont play in casino that rigged. wait until the casino shut down and then i play my own game
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> usdt is what set price
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> all cex use usdt as big pair
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it affects it like everything else
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> usdt -> cex -> set price of coin
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> i show research paper for proof. not talking out my ass like you
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> binance delisting dont matter for monero. usdt what matter. if you look at pairs usdt biggest pair
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replaced usd because it moves faster
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> this price index for xmr on bisq so called dex. it based on cex that have usdt as biggest volume. even on dex price is based on cex
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the people on non cex use the price set by people on cex, yes always has been
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> usdt replaced usd because there 0 legal requirement. paolo fraud give his crony friends cz, sbf and other lots of usdt without hesitation
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> if cz try to get usd he cant because he a criminal. paolo dont care
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there are less legal requirements, not 0
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you don't have to overstate things
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you like fraud?
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> stop trolling. you trying to defend paolo for no reason? you like usdt?
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most of crypto exists to make fiat from people like every other financial thing
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> "every financial thing" stop overstating. stock and bonds have legitimatize use case. it not a zero-sum game as invest in stock and it have valid return. you invest in a company not nothing. in crypto it all scam. majorly from usdt but not all from them. monero purpose is just private cash
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crypto only 99% scam
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yes I incorrectly stated, happens to the best of us
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Cat says that it's bedtime so......
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I only have eyes for Monroe
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Monero is the only one. Rest is scam, pump and dump schemes and ponzis
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<detherminal:matrix.org> monerogoingto0 guy probably lost much money in shitcoins
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> monerogoingto0knowlegeproofs
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> keep speak on feeling and bullshit instead of smartness. i bought monero from $50 and made my money
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<detherminal:matrix.org> congrats
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<detherminal:matrix.org> you are still paying a lot of attention to the price. thats not the deal. the deal here is cryptography and decentralization
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<detherminal:matrix.org> what will happen if banks or your brokerage say we are not giving your money back? what can you make to take your money back
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<detherminal:matrix.org> let me tell you, you cant do shit.
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> price is the biggest deal
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<detherminal:matrix.org> now try that in monero. you have to run computers till the end of the universe to crack my wallet 🙃
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> the price need to be stable or increase with inflation otherwise monero steal more money
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> than cash
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> all product in monero price in usd. why? why that if price not important?
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> because usd more stable than monero
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<detherminal:matrix.org> i didnt say price is unimportant. i said tech is more important than the price
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> i let the dev worry about tech. i worry about price
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<detherminal:matrix.org> yeah. take a look at this,
usdebtclock.org . I will definitely rely on these stupid fucks. you are right.
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> it is true in the end everything goes to zero. the past increases, the future recedes. possibilities decreasing, regrets mounting. the amortized value of life is nil
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Once more and more country stop importing USA debt, USD will implode.
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> yes you so smart. smart than all the company, corporations and others who rely on usd. clearly you dont know what saving account is
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<detherminal:matrix.org> yeah, thats why there is enflation everywhere. because of these stupid people you choose to trust.
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> given the gift of life, men are trusted with a debt that cannot be repaid
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> monero have inflation too
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> inflation not bad thing stupid idiot
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<detherminal:matrix.org> less than gold lol
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<detherminal:matrix.org> haha, we know. thats why there is tail emission on Monero. thats why we love it.
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> A small amount of inflation is good. Runaway inflation is not
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> No inflation promote currency hoarding
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> hyperinflation is the name
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, I know, normally... Lol
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> inflation serves as a tax on the the liquidity holders, to cover the cost of protecting the liquidity. In cryptocurrency it is paid to miners, but in fiat it is paid to the government.
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<detherminal:matrix.org> this guy thinks he is the only one that is interested in economics lol
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> the flaw is that cryptocurrency also depends on the government because its weakness lies in the network layer, and the internet is fragile
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> so the relationship is parasitic
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> but cryptocurrency users represent a special interest group most of society cannot organize against
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> in cryptocurrency inflation for coin is given to VC who buy presale. token holders get scammed. in fiat it not given to government unless you live in third world. inflation not caused by money printing in advanced economy. only stupid idiots think that
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> conventionally, 100% of the emission goes to miners
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> thats how bitcoin works, thats how monero works
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<detherminal:matrix.org> lol, so you control the newly printed banknots? 😂😂😂
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> it may not be how some scam works, but its how actual cryptocurrencies work
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> depend on coin. i talk about typical scam coin
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> pow coin loss interest. not many pow these days get interest from normie
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> except bitcoin
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<detherminal:matrix.org> this guy is clearly trolling and defending fiat. that must be enough to ban him.
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> monero will never replace fiat. i live in russia and even with our government monero do shit job. maybe it can be alternative but only crazy loo laa believe it will replace any fiat
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you need to get banned from your stupidness
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<detherminal:matrix.org> lol, how stupid fuck can you be the defend the fiat even where you live in the %1000 inflation country. you are totally idiot.
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<detherminal:matrix.org> > <@monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> you need to get banned from your stupidness
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<detherminal:matrix.org> lol, how stupid fuck can you be to defend the fiat even where you live in the %1000 inflation country. you are totally idiot.
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> why do you guys always wanna ban
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> chill out
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> clearly you dont know how russia sanction work
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<detherminal:matrix.org> this guy is trolling. see you later
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> inflation not caused by money printing
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> Yeah PoS is more desirable for scams
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> it naturally encourages ponzi tokenomics
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> PoS bigger than PoW these days
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> classical consensus is actually better than PoS
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> ofc but shitcoin like eth pretend environment need saving so switch to PoS. in reality it centralize so it become easier to scam with lower fee
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> whats the deal with everyone wanting to ban flamers? I like flamewars. Trolls are people too! People these days have this attitude on the internet that they are entitled to a space where no one disagrees with them...
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> yeah but ETH has always been that way\
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> they hard forked to prevent a robbery of the DAO
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> no one trolling here. i begin with criticize usdt and then stupidness come here and say price dont matter
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> yes eth always scam but now they are bigger scam
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> worst of all the big scams bitcoin and eth attract attention from banks. blackrock partner with eth with buidl program and btc ofc with etf. wonder how this will play out. maybe the next 2008 crash caused by this stupidity
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> Whining about USDT here isn't going to change much tho lol
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> i just bring awareness for people here that prove monero really is the only one
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> its probably not
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> decoys/ring signatures suck
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> true. alternative can come up in the future
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> for now monero only good crypto
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> In terms of mcap, nope
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> decoy selection is really broken I think
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> Decoys being broken is a known problem
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> fixes already coming but one needs patience. fcmp fix this
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> your username is really ironic btw if that's your purpose
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> monero's success depends on bitcoin failing spectacularly and the "reasonable" bitcoin forks like BCH or LTC to lose interest
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> to understand my username you need 1000 iq
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> idk Bitcoin already has failed spectacularly
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> I think bitcoin probably can scale and take advantage of network effects, but it will effectively become centralized and very complicated in the process of doing so
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> bitcoin will fail. that guarantee. bch is fucking joke scam coin dont talk about bullshit and ltc you should read about the creator who scammed everyone
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> In terms of being an actual currency
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> bitcoin hasn't failed yet, it has just languished
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> i'm not kidding
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> if the bitcoin userbase could get their shit together it could be fixed tomorrow
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> bitcoin could implement all monero feature and become #1. why dont they? because bitcoin has no interest in becoming currency. it just a scamcoin for usdt to launder money
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> and there are figures in the BTC community that are trying to make it happen, but no one listens because they're stupid and greedy (or not greedy enough? maybe ideological is a better word)
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> there no such thing as btc community. they have 0 influence over anything. it all paolo and the community just want to make money from adoption. dont care about cypherpunk ideology
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> true
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> but I am just saying it is technicially possible if every bitcoiner woke up tomorrow and cared
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> it far too late for that. blockwar in the past prove bitcoin hopeless
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> they could literally just copy monero/zcash's privacy features and RandomX and all of the advancements. the problem is not that they don't care, but they have literally consumed so much propoganda that they believe that bitcoin is better the way it is now.
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> in trying to justify bitcoin, they have justified all its weaknesses (block size, fungibility, miner fairness, deflation, scripting complexity) as features, ensuring that they may not be fixed
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> this is why it is concerning to hear when monero users will justify monero's weaknesses
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> From ShopinBit's X/Twitter account:
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> Our usage stats for March 2024:
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> XMR: 56.91%
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> Bitcoin: 38.27%
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> Lightning: 2.59%
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> FIAT: 2.23%
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> no one justify monero weakness. that why we admit its bad coin
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<nobfg9000:matrix.org> privacy is a really hard problem. there still are so many heuristics and weaknesses. especially transaction time heuristics, I can't even imagine how you would solve that
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> bad coin that always need improving
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> even though monero not perfect, it still the best currently
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> Btw why exactly is ofnrxmr banned in some/most rooms? (Genuine question, I try to understand this as he seems like a mostly valueable contributer)
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> scott and sgp want to play hall monitor afaik
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<cockliuser:matrix.org> scott and sgp want to play hall monitor iirc
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<321bob321:monero.social> so the modding is like reactive banning or muting people bascially
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<aremor:matrix.org> Decoys help
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<aremor:matrix.org> Keep in mind that he’s actually not banned in most
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<321bob321:monero.social> banned across all #monero-
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> I mean there has to be a legit reason, am I wrong?
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> I mean if this really boils down to personal differences then the people in power need to be removed from their respective positions. Monero can't afford to bleed talented personnel.
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<basses:matrix.org> xmrscott-ofrnxmr
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<basses:matrix.org> personal problems
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<321bob321:monero.social> bigger then that
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<321bob321:monero.social> commuity wide issue
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> there no legit reason. xmrscott is a pussy who dont like getting called swear words and banned ofrn. ofrn also had beef with sgp and he have influence with modding decision. most of community likes ofrn as he contribute a lot to basicswap and other monero dev work. the ban no justified and i surprised the community is not aware of this issue more because of how serious it is. simi<clipped message>
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> lar to tyrannicidal bitcoin mods who ban anyone who not ngu retard
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> biggest bullshit is that ofrn never did anything to harm xmr. he got banned because of swear words and "being violent". not trolling, not spam, not shill or anything of serious issue. just because xmrscott dont like him he got banned
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> it begin with simple ban from chat. then ccs decisions are controlled by this pussy. then all monero social media is controlled by this pussy. xmrscott needs to step down immediately or fairer is to open a vote for the community to keep him in position or kick him out
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> He was banned for a few words ? Xmrscott needs to benched
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> yes his ban was only because of what he said. ofrnxmr never did anything to harm xmr. there are people and dev i wont mention who did much worse thing and not banned
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> just before ofrn was banned he was helping someone with unstoppableswap, look at how kind he was:
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> "Final update. It hit 72 confirmations and automatically refunded me. Thank you to ofrnxmr for holding my hand through the panic of it all and giving me alternatives which I'll try out. You an mvp and I owe you"
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<dave.jp:matrix.org> Unban ofrnxmr
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> @xmrscott:monero.social you pussy unban ofrn
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> why you ban ofrn from the monero beef room? you so fragile that you have to ban him from the room where your supposed to beef?????
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> I'm not a fan of insults. So if you're right it's enough to just call people out on their BS. Discussions heat up by their own. No need to add to it on purpose.
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> As sgp and xmrscott @xmrscott:monero.social got both accused, I'd like to hear from you two what you have to say about this.
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<basses:matrix.org> >I'm not a fan of insults
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<123bob123:matrix.org> Sgp stepped down
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<123bob123:matrix.org> And the other dictator doesn’t respond
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<123bob123:matrix.org> Do as they say or get muted. Sounds similar to dictatorship
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<321bob321:monero.social> Gibbs gut
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<jack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> core needs to handle it asap, but i guess they cant even remove honeypots from getmonero.org
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> sorry for be rash. i angry because i already tried messaging xmrscott privately (still call him pussy there but in private) and he didnt respond. just left my message on read
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> he refuse to respond to anything about unbanning ofrn
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<monerogoingto0:xmr.mx> it been almost 1 month since ofrn ban. ridiculous
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> I understand this. And I understand ofnrxmrs anger/resentment too.
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> I still think it's always best trying to stay calm and communicate to the point (as name calling always weakens your argument).
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> If the situation is in fact as you guys are saying, then we need to escalate this to all the relevant devs/people in charge, that can remove scott/sgp from their position of power (as I do think scott and sgp are valueable contributers too).
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> This situation needs clarification and we need to resolve this (in a mannered way if possible).
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<mrwonderland:tchncs.de> We don't need to become best friends with everyone, but I do think we all have a similar goal, so let's try to be professional and sort this out.
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ofrn and mannered way or professional in the same sentence :)
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> so... are the only two mods plowsof and xmrscott ?
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> oh fuck. didn't meant to ping
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my block list should have all "5 years ahead" nodes now
gui.xmr.pm/files/block.txt
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ot at least i didn't find a new one for a week now
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Thanks selsta
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<cubanlynx12:hackliberty.org> the price bot doesn't work with other currencie
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<cubanlynx12:hackliberty.org> the price bot doesn't work with other currencies
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<basses:matrix.org> yep
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<basses:matrix.org> but not active at all
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<basses:matrix.org> scott*
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<ravfx:xmr.mx> Thanks selsta
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nice selsta
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would be nice to get a commented list of these selsta, maybe on a git repo or similar? or if comments can be added inline, that would be nice
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i don't have logs why they are banned
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but i was on the cautious side
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all IPs were running custom monerod
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also i think monerod doesn't support comments in the block list
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<xmrscott:monero.social> He wasn't. He was given warnings by ~5 distinct mods and choose to ignore them
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<xmrscott:monero.social> There's no reason for me to reply to DM's of people using it for exclusively cussing me out and going on an emotional bender either. It's just profane spam effectively. Why waste energy responding to DMs that are just insults? lol
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<xmrscott:monero.social> If people want to make public claims that I have more influence than Binance or whatever over price too and are ruining their gains, like not much point in expending energy over those kinds of absurdities either
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<xmrscott:monero.social> I'll even throw in as an someone who is active that Core has told him to knock it off several times and he's ignored it and continued to go on benders and Cake Wallet has also called him out on it:
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<yasabi:matrix.org> everyone complaining about who banned whom for what reasons should get a hobby
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<yasabi:matrix.org> no one's forcing yall to he here. freedom of association works in all directions. fuck around and find out is a universal constant
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<123bob123:matrix.org>
monero-project/meta #899
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<123bob123:matrix.org> Been going on for a while
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> nah. I like popcorn 🍿
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DataHoarder
indeed on last point, that's why I mentioned git to keep a log of it for curiosity sake
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otherwise best would be historical changes
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<syntheticbird:monero.social> Welcome yc2bd56tvt
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<321bob321:monero.social> Welcome to the fun house
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<-coffeeplease-:monero.social> Thanks for sharing! Was 'installing' your blocklist on my node. Noticed that one address on that list is actually having an rpc-connection with my node now.
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<-coffeeplease-:monero.social> That was before activating the blocklist ofc. Dunno if it's important, just saying.
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I have a question about block chain in general. I understand why mining is necessary, as otherwise anyone can quickly publish malicious blocks. I also understand that to mine is to find nonce, which is cryptographically hard and *takes time*.
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What I don't understand is, with this mining mechanism, *how do you tell if a new block is not malicious?* Those miners who create new blocks are also slowed down by the mechanism, so they can't produce many; nor do they "know" each other.