<m​onerobull:matrix.org> twitter.com/monerobull/status/1788022967714115925

<k​nightnarm:matrix.org> RIP LocalMonero!!!

CL

Copying from -community

<dEBRUYNE> monerobull: It seems like they simply removed all the coins that their custodian doesn't have support for

<dEBRUYNE> On that list there's also fairly new coins that are quite popular

<dEBRUYNE> SUI, SEI, INJ for instance

<m​onerobull:monero.social> yeah but moving everyone over to that custodian is effectively delisting Monero from germany

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Why is going to close? I have read the announcement but unsure about real reasons

<a​r-:abga.be> Prolly the same reason as for incognito and many other privacy projects. The shit fucking USA.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Yet they chose that custodian

What incognito?

<a​remor:matrix.org> The EU and UK are just as controlling on this issue.

<a​remor:matrix.org> People need to use those privileged passports and flee authoritarian, oppressive governments

<i​gna:xmr.mx> wasn't incognito an drug market that exit scammed?

Yea, that was the first association, but this is not a "privacy project" in the usual sense.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> yes

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but there was also a crypto project called incognito

<i​gna:xmr.mx> incognito dex?

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> incognito.org

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> they had some weird wrapping system

<p​cre:monero.social> They have some weird UI.

<i​gna:xmr.mx> yeah then incognito dex

<p​cre:monero.social> localmonero.co/canary

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Domain up 4 sale?

<p​cre:monero.social> The closure is set against a backdrop of increasing scrutiny and regulatory actions targeting privacy-focused cryptocurrencies and platforms in the United States. Indeed, these regulatory enforcements raise concerns about the future of privacy in the digital asset industry.

<p​cre:monero.social> beincrypto.com/localmonero-p2p-platform-shutdown

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I would see what alex says

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Straight from the horses mouth

<m​onerobull:monero.social> its especially scary since they are incorporated via a PO box in the British Virgin Islands

<y​ahniukov:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/qTHxaiyRdvroTKtMYETfnwkl

<y​ahniukov:matrix.org> hi guys. can somebody explain difference between "main" and "mini" chains?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> hello

<m​onerobull:monero.social> on the mini chain you will get find shares more frequently with low hashrate

<m​onerobull:monero.social> on the mini chain you will find shares more frequently with low hashrate

<m​onerobull:monero.social> but those shares pay out less

<m​onerobull:monero.social> on the main chain you will find shares less frequently but when you do find one, it will pay out a lot more

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> hello

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> on the mini chain you will find shares more frequently with low hashrate

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> but those shares pay out less

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> on the main chain you will find shares less frequently but when you do find one, it will pay out a lot more

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> with 3k H/s you might want to select mini

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> otherwise it might take multiple weeks to find your first share

<y​ahniukov:matrix.org> got it, thanks a lot!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> make sure to participate in the xmrvsbeast hashrate raffle!

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it boosts profitability by ~2-3x

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> it's awesome that you are mining to p2pool instead of a centralized one, keep it up!

<p​cre:monero.social> Please remember. You have a right to privacy. It is not granted to you by a state. When the decentralised exchanges are up and running, they can only act in a totalitarian way to stop Monero and have to drop the mask.

Drop what mask? Everyone knows it is hostile anyway and just submits because they can do nothing.

<p​cre:monero.social> If you can't even exchange money privately, then we have completely different problems. Then we'll be exchanging goods for cigarettes again.

<p​cre:monero.social> From private individual to private individual.

<a​r-:abga.be> Yes. Incognito wallet.

cash is such king

<m​onerobull:monero.social> cash is at the mercy of the central bank

Yea, although here it does not seem like they could take it away any time soon.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> youd be surprised how quickly that can change

<m​onerobull:monero.social> btw, EU already voted for a 3000€ limit on cash purchases

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> exactly what I was going to say

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> in some country it is already a 1000€ limit

<m​onerobull:monero.social> and now add 10 years of inflation

<m​onerobull:monero.social> 500€ limit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean... I wouldn't be against ditching cash completely, its just that I have to trust banks and gov...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> if only there was some kind of trustless decentralized digital cash out there

<m​onerobull:monero.social> within 30 years you can completely kill cash if you just dont adjust the limits to inflation. you can do it much quicker if you push for it.

<m​onerobull:monero.social> i like paying for gas with a single bill

syntheticbird, how would you live without owning money and with all your purchases trackable??

How??

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You seems to forget the only reason privacy is important is because trust is infinitely limited. In a fantastic world where the gov would never do bad things and be perfect to humankind, I would have no reason to not trust them and therefore give up my privacy

Trustless decentralized digital cash? The requirements for me would be a) being usable without a computer/smartphone because I would not want to be carrying a tracking device on every walk and b) obviously being anonymous. But doubt it could get such a traction that grannies selling berries on the train station would take it lol.

syntheticbird, I mean even in case of trust, there must be some ruleset, and ruleset cannot cover 100% of cases 100% correctly.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I was joking BlueyHealer... jic I was referring to monero here

Everyone ends up breaking the law in some way or another.

<p​cre:monero.social> Silver and Monero for digital payment seems a good combination.

syntheticbird, ye, I got what you were referring to) But so far idk how much it would be usable without a phone/computer in physical world.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> ah yeah you're right. There was some project 7 years ago for bitcoin's cash. Printers would simply create a wallet and transfer the amount of the bill into it, then they print the private key in a magnetic band inside the bill. Therefore you could use their ATMs to read the key and transfer that amount to an address

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> This could be applied to monero with some limitations but you would have to trust the print corporation behind it

That requires special ATMs? Who would allow installation of such? We don't even have KYCless BTC ATMs!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I guess you can write seeds on piece of papers then, tho its not as stylish as good old bill

What would protect the wallet from being emptied while travelling hands? The receiving party would need a phone/computer to check the viability.

But ye this is more realistic at least.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Same issue with fake bills. You would need several layers of chemical and fine printed symbols to assert that it was indeed printed by the central bank. There are simply things that are still an open question as of today

Yea, but you can at least see some of the signs, even if you would need more equipment for doing it thoroughly. You cannot visually check if the wallet corresponding to this seedphrase has been emptied or not.

<b​asses:matrix.org> share with them the mexican guy LM twitter vid

<b​asses:matrix.org> Interesting how LM shutting down isn't making lots of fuss on Dread

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Secret

<b​asses:matrix.org> looks like no criminals were using it

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> They use butcorn and usdt

<b​asses:matrix.org> darknet?

<b​asses:matrix.org> cuz thats true for terrorists

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Vendors cash out to butcorn and usdt

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I thought monero took over dark et

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Darnet*

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Jesus

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Darknet*

Darnet, i made another typo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Typing half asleep dangerous

<b​asses:matrix.org> can you guys access dex.robosats.com with a vpn?

<m​onerobull:monero.social> if this is supposed to be a p2p dex running from your browser it likely wont work bcs of port stuff

Hey :) What is the right room to talk about bounties and CCS?

I dont know

barely anyone talks in here

it's irc :D

Most people code, and forget about irc - I gues, at least it happens to me often...

I know

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> monero community workgroup (I think it have also IRC support)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> #monero-community

Thank you m-relay

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Be aware vThor, monero community channel have a lot of drama because some CCSs.

:D can not become any worse in my life, I don't give anymore a crap, the world seems to go only in one direction, and with mor communism comes more drama.

<b​asses:matrix.org> Dannet???

<b​asses:matrix.org> u sure? webtorrent.io works

:D now I realize that m-relay is a matrix bridge. :o

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bright and smart

gg

<m​onero_fan:matrix.org> Hey folks, can you point me out which platform to pick now to take some monero exchange. I've got fiat euro. I have Litecoin and Bitcoin as well

<p​aranoia_machinery:monero.social> i traded litecoin for xmr a few days ago on stealthex, it's centralized but it's a no kyc swapper

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Depends. There are no XMR <-> fiat platform people can recommend at the moment. But for any XMR <-> Crypto trocador.app is an option

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> FUCK IT HE IS ON MATRIX

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Depends. There are no XMR <-> fiat platform people can recommend at the moment. But for any XMR <-> Crypto trocador.app is an option

something wrong with matrix?

<e​dge7:matrix.org> To me, this event is worse than binance delisting

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Am talking about the local monero shutdown

uncle_rae: matrix dot org doesn't communicate well, big delays, with monero social and some other servers

the relay is on monero social so ...................

<m​onero_fan:matrix.org> Exacrtly, but this rests bisq.network/getting-started/#

anyone here tried bisq2?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> when bisq2-bin comes into AUR I will

too lazy to build from source?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I hate java so much you have no idea

i hear you

i'm not too fond of java either

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> List of Java success:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - Minecraft

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> thats about it

<a​remor:matrix.org> Robosats and Bisq

is anyone working on rebooting openbazaar?

About XMR <-> fiat ye, and what about fiat <-> other crypto?

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Yes, but it is slightly more convoluted for users. IMHO, in particular no tech ones

I know Bestchange but idk how many of those are really KYCless and would accept paying via terminal. But it is very much regional so wad wondering about US/Europe.

<r​olandroland:matrix.org> It would be such a shame if a localmonero dev accidentally exposed their ssh keys and someone stole their server side code and launched a new instance of localmonero

It would especially suck if it became onion-only, who tf uses this darknet for legit purposes

<p​cre:monero.social> What do you guys think of SimpleX chat?

<p​aranoia_machinery:monero.social> I like it a lot but don't know hardly anyone who uses it.

<p​cre:monero.social> cool.

<p​cre:monero.social> It is implemented in Haskel.

<p​cre:monero.social> No User Id is pretty nice.

<p​cre:monero.social> no phone number - email ..

<p​cre:monero.social> Maybe i could write a chatbot selling Amazon voucher gift cards using SimpleX and Monero Named Pipes.

<p​cre:monero.social> No URL is pretty cool, too.

<p​cre:monero.social> Similar to the bot I used here.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> app sucks

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but good protocol

<p​cre:monero.social> Yes i saw that, too. It might take a while for it to get ready.

<p​cre:monero.social> Haskell is a scientific programming language. It is usually not suitable for more than prototypes.

<p​cre:monero.social> No bashing.

<p​cre:monero.social> I like functional language.

you really use simplex?

<p​cre:monero.social> I tried the command line client.

<p​cre:monero.social> testing around

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> the cli is good if you don't mind killing yourself everytime you send files

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk Check your monero node or something!

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Got a TX ID that still don't exist in the network!

A TX ID?

whoever is talking under the m relay, what do you mean

A texas id card?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> A thing that exist since crypto exist, ie : A transaction

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> Could you PM me with the txid please?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Android

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> PM sent

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> very clever

tx id?? wait, tax payer id?

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> Not seeing anything.

Someone please explain (I know that they are using a different relay system, but like, what

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> my client doing stupid, 2 sec

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It say forbidden when I create the PM now lol... Matrix :D

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Trying using another device, it's been saying "Please wait..." since at least 2 minutes so far

<p​cre:monero.social> I also like Tox. A peer 2 peer instant messanger. github.com/TokTok/c-toxcore

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh, not localmonero.co say 504 Gateway time-out and my TX shoed up!

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh, now localmonero.co say 504 Gateway time-out and my TX shoed up!

<b​asses:matrix.org> No

<p​cre:monero.social> Identifier is a hex number.

<p​cre:monero.social> No?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Oh, now localmonero.co say 504 Gateway time-out and my TX unstuck!

<b​asses:matrix.org> TokTok/c-toxcore #426

<p​cre:monero.social> good to know.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I just noticed that the mempool filled

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Usual filler transaction attack

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Probably the reason LM got stuck

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> Yeah, the explorer struggling with the DoS attack on the Monero network. We're working on it.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> In the same vibe as Tox there is also Jami: jami.net

<p​cre:monero.social> I will have a look. But Tox was simply unbeaten in terms of the nerd factor. There is a Tox proxy through which you could pipe ssh. Or ratox, a tox client that you could communicate via pipes. Category suck less. But if the crypto itself is defective (handshake), then it's no good.

<p​cre:monero.social> toxic an ncurses TUI client.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Tox is a cool 4chan project

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but no auditing, reference implementation is bad, and clients are pitiful

<p​cre:monero.social> Yes, the idea was good, but the implementation was too chaotic.

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Dos attack ? Some don’t see as a attack or a problem and want to keep fees low 😂

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> It's not so much about the fees as it is about taking the nodes down, I feel. Though it's just speculation.

<e​rembax:matrix.org> I just discovered flathub.org/apps/org.getmonero.Monero is this legit? And if so, is it possible to verify the signing key?

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<k​orgprivacy:matrix.org> News Segment:

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