<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> okay

<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> what I meant to say is, how powerful should a computer be so that the miner can expect a decent chance to profit off of mining on main? i consider my computer to be powerful for the things that I do, but what are the "specs" that a hardware should have so that the chances of profiting off of main is not insanely low?

<d​justice.kde:matrix.org> selfish gains isn't how a community works.

<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> are you talking to me?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Lots of L3 memory. Look up randomx. The high end radeons are best.

<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> how do i find out how much L3 i have?

<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> found it

<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> 6 MB

<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> is that a lot?

<c​trej:matrix.org> no

<c​trej:matrix.org> if you want to mine for a profit, you need free electricity or cheap electricity and efficient hardware. Most efficient are ryzen 5800 and up. You'll also need good ram ("B Die") that is tuned properly.

<n​igiri:cutefunny.art> guess ill stick to mini

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> image.png

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> even those aren't as profitable

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/vlOUhLq1wVrfY2GPNczZChLEDvGSfxQZ

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AMD Ryzen 7 5700G ^

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/JPXHVx23MTxB9Iijbr7woDI99wyWTdtU

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i9-9980XE ^

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/9BSjRNmdZnCSLVatek2pUjtUcBukyMhM

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Threadripper 2950X^ (one of the cheapest threadrippers)

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/flQGBCd8nj2C0UWsoixJpBkTRssI7FY0

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AMD EPYC 9654 ^

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> Only 10 years before making a profit

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> yep..

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Like you can make an ASIC using the A53 cores which are 223.11 H/s and consume ~5 W, but you would need like 200 of them

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/y6QJHLEREyYv3mwxHt0NRlL9ZJt9pKOB

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> which is possible to do through electrical engineering

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/aen3UiZ30PtW4ciokOIY2USamHattYen

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if you had 1000 of them

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> as one of those costs 2 EUR

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so +- investment of 2300 EUR to have this profit

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but then in the EU the electrical company will probably increase your bill if you stress the grid this much in the residential area

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> lets say you invest 1000 EUR in solar panels e.g. alza.cz/ecoflow-2-x-400w-rigid-solar-panel-combo-d7893779.htm giving you 1600W

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/dmJFZuQHybuCsKOgvqt7e155nl8jBXKC

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> to have 320 of them

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 3300 EUR investment / 1.90 EUR (from 2.04 USD) = 1684.21 Days to make profit

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 3300 EUR investment / 1.90 EUR (from 2.04 USD) = 1684.21 Days to make profit -> 4.6 years

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> at least that's the best i got when i wanted to mine XMR

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> at least that's the best i got when i wanted to mine XMR for profit

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/RiLRbnMSVMYTrkjxCAaDks5mxQxvwpKm

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or if you get 4x AMD EPYC 9654 (~40 000 EUR)+ the solar panel for 1000 EUR -> 2519.98 days to make profit of 16.27 EUR per day

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or if you get 4x AMD EPYC 9654 (~40 000 EUR)+ the solar panel for 1000 EUR -> 2519.98 days (~7 years) to make profit of 16.27 EUR per day

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> Or, you put a cryptominer on every computer you can

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> That's the most efficient way of mining monero, and the kind of competition we are facing

Or you infect someone and don't have to worry about it.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 8x AMD EPIC 9654 gets you 1225752 H/s -> 80 000 EUR for the CPUs + 2000 EUR for solar panels => 82000 / 32,53 EUR -> ~2521 Days -> 6.9 Years

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 8x AMD EPIC 9654 gets you 1225752 H/s -> 80 000 EUR for the CPUs + 2000 EUR for solar panels => 82000 / 32,53 EUR -> ~2521 Days -> 6.9 Years to have profit of 32.53 EUR per day

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that's what i am doing and i am in negative numbers and i have 40+ computers

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/sdG8wX3jLMBCeLmidQeywvM18esyO1uS

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the calculated hashrate btw

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> We probably need to make `Hashrate / Watts` to find the most efficient Chip/CPU and then structure thing from that

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> I meant putting a miner on every computer you have access to which is not yours

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/d6jccvx2lfMdx36qwtwcWbxIrhocFE1o

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> wait how is this making sense?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Sounds like another speedrun to see how fast i get kicked out of hackerspace again

helasse, get access to more

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/YWsTECUmBUij8ITXoUId5OgOkLV443YS

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 10x ryzen 9 7950X

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> according to the ad

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 5400 USD / 5.83 USD -> Profit of 5.83 USD per day in 926.2 days

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 🤔

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> there is an other way of mining xmr that i can do, but i'm not sure how profitable it is and it's slow on a single computer

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> It's throttling the cryptominer to (for example) 10% of cpu and only running it when the computer would have to be running for something else

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> (the cost of running the computer is: a constant to keep it powered + something proportional to the computations being done, so this way of mining saves the cost of keeping the computer powered)

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> there is an other way of mining xmr that i can do, but i'm not sure how profitable it is and it's too slow on a single computer

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> It's throttling the cryptominer to (for example) 10% of cpu and only running it when the computer would have to be running for something else

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> (the cost of running the computer is: a constant to keep it powered + something proportional to the computations being done, so this way of mining saves the cost of keeping the computer powered)

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that's what i wanted to do to optimize the power consumption of my systems, but it doesn't get nearly enough to make it worth it in my scenario

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but yea that would make things a lot more functional if it worked this way

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> I guess i'll have to use my company's computers and throttle it at 5% of cpu to make sure no one notices

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Great thing to do for Monero PR to get it into mainstream when it's users have to infect computers with malware to make profit out of it 👍️

If I had an ex, I know what I would've done to him now! ^-^

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hmmm

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> so you say the strategy is to get lot of boys, get monero miners on their systems and then break up with them?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> sounds lucrative

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/ef5wHJoASzzToL64g5WzSIwXl4Z3PMmb

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Why am i calculating that when the website has that below if i scrolled down? 🤦‍♂️

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> youtu.be/9QMYGxxgrbM

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> also relevant ig

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ig he makes a good point to make a mining rig for randomX mining

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> instead for dedicated XMR

<b​asses:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/XbBXkrlhHczqQsFQgbUVHvQG

<b​asses:matrix.org> LMAOOO

what

<a​nnwyn:matrix.org> What's this?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Saw some iranian on twitter posting it.

<a​nnwyn:matrix.org> Did he identify the provider denying services based on blood? I can't recognize the logo.

<a​nnwyn:matrix.org> Sounds like a Turkish bank, just wonder which one

<a​remor:matrix.org> Tuman kept saying Ethereum Ethereum Ethereum Ethereum and somehow in like 6 hours of podcast it never came up that Zano has no scripting and no smart contracts

<m​onerobull:monero.social> lol what does it even have then

<p​cre:monero.social> How come i get no incoming connection on monerod when using a vpn?

<p​cre:monero.social> I did a port forward on the router for port 18081 on my PC.

<p​cre:monero.social> without vpn everything is ok.

<p​cre:monero.social> Most likely the port forward is not essential using a vpn.

Many VPNs do not support port forwarding.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Cause its a tunnel

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ivpn and mullvad stopped port forwarding

Sad but true

<p​cre:monero.social> ok - is there a way to start monerod listening on eth0

<p​cre:monero.social> Is this also true for bittorrent?

<p​cre:monero.social> bittorrent seems to work fine.

Why did they disable port forwarding??

Statement from mullvad: mullvad.net/en/blog/2023/5/29/remov…ing-the-support-for-forwarded-ports

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> where is the best place to find trusted monero nodes

<b​asses:matrix.org> xmrguide.org/remote_nodes

<p​cre:monero.social> Try 127.0.0.1

<1​23bob123:matrix.org> Local node is trusted node

<p​cre:monero.social> Or ::1

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> i don't see that listed on xmrguide.org

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> getmonero.org has stackwallet as default. that is a pretty good endorsement

<b​asses:matrix.org> remode note is not local node

if you run a local node at home and you are out and about with your phone then your local node can be your remote node

my best miner is my 5600G shitposting comp, since it's already on I just consider the extra watts from mining and don't include the rest of the system wattage which is being used because the comp is already on

~240H/watt

<c​trej:matrix.org> late reply because matrix: even a light load (eg. on one of 8 cores) may force a higher overall power state then at close to 0 load

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> HUH?

<i​gna:xmr.mx> selfhost ur own

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> Next step

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> Anyone here using monerujo? Every single one of the default nodes is generating a "connection error"

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> I'm running monerujo over orbot

<k​arano:poddery.com> have you selected a tor node in node settings ?

<k​arano:poddery.com> ensure orbot is connecting to tor properly.

<k​arano:poddery.com> would advise to use invizible pro in place of orbot

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> Yes. But all of them have a connection error. So even if I select them nothing happens

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> Cool I will try now

Orbot and monerujo are finnicky for me. Sometimes have to try connecting to the node 4-5 times

I think it has to do with Tor routing? Works though

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> If I run mullvad vpn along with orbot (or invizible pro) for certain apps (like wallets) does orbot run on top of the VPN or in parallel?

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> Also in certain wallets you can configure them to run on tor in the wallet settings? But its not clear what bridges are being used if any. Should I set them up with orbot/invizible pro and them them do the leg work and leave those settings alone? Or should I do both? Or use only the settings in the wallets?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Orbot traffic will be relayed through the VPN

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> OH f*ck he is on matrix

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Orbot traffic will go through the VPN

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> wrong quote

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> answered your first question

<k​arano:poddery.com> orbot/invizible pro have 2 modes , vpn mode and proxy mode. On android you can't run 2 VPN at the same time atleast in the same profile. If you run mullvad vpn , its better use orbot/invizible pro in proxy mode

<k​arano:poddery.com> but i think monerujo only supports vpn mode

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> I just opened Proxy settings. are there any default settings i can use?

<k​arano:poddery.com> you could use anonero or cakewallet for connecting to proxy mode

<k​arano:poddery.com> you could use anonero or cakewallet for connecting to tor proxy mode

For some reason I just couldn't get cakewallet to work with my hidden service. Cool wallet though

<k​arano:poddery.com> the socks5 default port is 9050

<k​arano:poddery.com> if you set 127.0.0.1:9050 in your wallet app it should connect to tor proxy

Nice

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> i changed the proxy settings. on the main orbot screen it still says "start VPN"

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> eventhough it says "Start VPN" now that Ive updated the proxy settings does it default to the Proxy, instead of behaving as a vpn?

<k​arano:poddery.com> there is a button on top right corner to switch to proxu mode

<k​arano:poddery.com> there is a button on top right corner to switch to proxy mode

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> i don't see anything in the top right corner

<k​arano:poddery.com> you don't need to change any port settings

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> it only says "start VPN" or "choose how to connect"

<k​arano:poddery.com> in invizible pro see the 3 dot menu

<k​arano:poddery.com> select the proxy mode

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> ok i will try invizible now

<k​arano:poddery.com> delete orbot

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> its no good?

<k​arano:poddery.com> your personal choice , but orbot generally has more updates tor binaries

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Invizible crash my phone for some reason lol

<k​arano:poddery.com> orbot is slow to push updates

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> if i use invizible it requires that i turn off private DNS. i'd prefer to keep that if possible so i can use device wide private dns

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> is that because it uses its own private DNS? DNSCrypt?

<k​arano:poddery.com> you can turn off dnscrypt i think

<k​arano:poddery.com> you can chose dnscrypt server

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> why can't i keep private dns settings with invizible pro? Ideally I'd like apps like browsers to run on the VPN and automatically use private DNS, and then for wallets to run over tor. Is this possible?

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> is dnscrpyt a private DNS?

<k​arano:poddery.com> i am able to use only tor in invizible pro

<k​arano:poddery.com> it doesn't use dnscrypt for me. its optional

<k​arano:poddery.com> i am using private dns in android settings at the same time

<k​arano:poddery.com> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oddery.com/UxBViyjpnqUVlXppdNRUbXLv

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> ok. However, invizible pro requires that i turn off the device wide private DNS. Meaning the apps not running on tor (Like my browsers that run on normal VPN) won't be using private DNS, unless i adjust the private dns settings of each browser. From a convenience perspective i'd prefer to have device wide private dns settings.

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> interesting. i was prompted to turn it off in order to use invizible pro

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> I think i need to create a dedicated device for crpyto. then i can run invizible pro (only) and a separate device for VPN. i thought i could commbine the two

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> I have to go now. But thank you for your help. Talk later. Thanks again. I will start studying invizible pro in more depth

Any tips for me while I am trying to set up the xmr miner on ish?

<b​asses:matrix.org> Fixedfloat is back with new domain and UI

<b​asses:matrix.org> acting like it just had the biggest breach/hack

<b​asses:matrix.org> ff.io

<b​asses:matrix.org> acting like it just hadn't have the biggest breach/hack

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> finally

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ooo

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> fancey

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> XMR not working

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> booo

<p​cre:monero.social> ?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> on fixedfloat

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> eh? BitTorrent is a crypto now?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > Get faster download speeds and BTT token rewards.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> how

<p​cre:monero.social> a potocol and crypto

<k​arano:poddery.com> many pairs are not working

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what

<b​asses:matrix.org> client?

<k​arano:poddery.com> was the site down due to increasing regulations like , travel rule and fatf guidelines

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> judging by the redesign and stuff likely due to infrastructure management

<p​cre:monero.social> Please leave a star on my project : github.com/d4ndox/mnp

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > Popular

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > XMR to BTC

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> hah

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> using tor is like using dialup

<p​cre:monero.social> It is just a hobby project, but perfect for hacklab suck less usecase.

<p​cre:monero.social> thx

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> np i accept monero 0.5 XMR per star

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bullshit

<p​cre:monero.social> it is a hobby project.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> __

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> w c(..)o (

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> \__(-) __)

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> /\ (

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> /(_)___)

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> w /|

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> | \

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> m m | Monero Named Pipes.

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> May I recommed Elite Wallet, they use majesticbank for exchanges..

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what is this :D

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 0.7 XMR then

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> you get a fast connection with tor?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> nah i star it later <3

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> yea

<p​cre:monero.social> ok. Do you accept testnet XMR?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you can also force it to be fast at the cost of reduced privacy

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> no.

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> well if you use tor you want privacy I would imagine.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Kreyren/nixos-config #14

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you welcome

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> note the implications though there are slow relays for a reason and tor daemon should automatically adjust the speed depending on what you do on it

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> e.g. if you watch videos it should give you faster connection after X time

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> It's fine to exclude slow relays when you are e.g. in the EU as the fast connection is standard there

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> excluding germany

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they below stone age

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but don't worry merkel said she will fix that by 2017 will be wild

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> until then i am routing to the UK through switzerland from Czechia

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or through the sea

<p​cre:monero.social> PLease guys . DO NOT use RASPYBLITZ for a lightning node. It is a toy for children. Buy a NUC with 8TB SSD and run a Monero node.

<p​cre:monero.social> Like real men do.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the fuck is taht

<p​cre:monero.social> And leave a star

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you really are a persistant with the star like getting steve bucks

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > But just in case George Soros follows through on his scheme to destabilize the dollar.

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<p​cre:monero.social> just kidding.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> An expensive lower power thing

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Get a Lenono thinkcentre tiny or a Dell elitedesk tiny

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> used on ebay for 1/10 of the price of the nuc

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> For 1/10 of the price, you get

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 6 USB3 port

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 2 or 3 Video out

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 1 or 2 NVME slot

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> * 1 Sata SSD bay

<p​cre:monero.social> fair enough.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Then you can afford the 8TB SSD with the money you saved not buying the NUC ;)

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> sounds like bad deal considering the power requirements to run these and lack of open-source firmware

<p​cre:monero.social> NVME is not necessary anyway.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> There is nothing opensource about a NUC

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Power requirement is low on both platforms

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> depending on how much it costs

<p​cre:monero.social> SATA is ok

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what's low

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, with the power difference you are going to same 4$ at the end of the year os something

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> that won't compensate for the extra 6-800$ for the nuc

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, with the power difference you are going to save 4$ at the end of the year os something

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> that won't compensate for the extra 6-800$ for the nuc

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> OSHW server from olimex is open-source hardware and software and likely better solution to what you are doing including economy wise

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> draws like 5 W and has SATA

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> we where talking about NUC and I provided a better alternative, I did not look at OSHW stuff

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why do you even bother with proprietary shits

<p​cre:monero.social> 2025 the new 3 nm Intel chip might be released.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It work, it's expendable, it's cheap

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> screw amd64 architecture

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bloated shitware

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and ARM chips are more proprietary than intel chip so lowl

<p​cre:monero.social> Where to buy RISC V

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the OLIMEX server costs 40 EUR for 10 of them if you self-fabricate them

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> good question, you usually pay 10X the price for 1/20 of the performance, And it's only proprietary risc-v (risc-v with extra proprietary extensions, mostly)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, the Olimex server are chip, have to figure out what's the chip in theses

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AllWinner A64 and A20 has it's BootROM released, it's microcode is BSD the only thing that is proprietary is the FEL protocol that is used to flash the chip in case you brick it

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and FEL is auditable

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The CPU and his microcode are proprietary

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> There is no free ARM chips, that does not exist

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> AllWinner A20, A33 or A64

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Cortex-A53 and Cortex-A7 cores

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bullshit

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Theses are non-free proprietary arm chips

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Made I china, I think

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they are reverse-engineered by the community

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and have full linux mainline support

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> AllWinner are the lowend arms afaik

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ah wait non

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> there is nothing proprietary on these even when they are arm

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> that's mediatek lol

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> riscv would be better but we ain't there technology-wise yet

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it ain't mediatek

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> can you even upgrade the ram on theses alimex servers?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> if you read you understoud that yeah

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> You have freecads for them upgrade whatever you want

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ehh Kicads

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> (I said that the Allwiners where the lowerend arm, then I corrected myself and said that the lowend one are the mediatek)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> so no upgrade, ok

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> oh oke

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> except if you order the PCB and pay a lot more to make them yourself, understood

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> can you run a node with 1GB

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So list of compatible RAM chips to chose from

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> what append of the node go under attack like it append quite often recently?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> OLIMEX usually supplies the boards at the highest RAM density that doesn't cause issues

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> zram + swap

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> monero node runs fine on these

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> lol, 1GB of compressed ram, you want a node that can't keep up or something

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if you want to mine on it ye it won't be enough, if you don't then it's expected to work

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> arm's more efficient architecture-wise for RAM it's not the hungry af amd64

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I have the laptop OLIMEX Teres-1 and i do complex FreeCAD and KiCAD engineering on it and run GNOME it works fine

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> monero node in comparison takes less resources

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> except that AMD64 chip kill it with like 10000% more performance extra or something

<p​cre:monero.social> he is right about that.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> for mining you would need a cluster of them which should get you more hashrate for the same cost of high-end AMD64 including the cost of solar panels see the convo above

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I make my node to help monero.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Meaning public and have to stay up during attack.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Right now it have an Epyc chip and 128GB worth of DDR.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I will have to upgrade the ram for faster ram from what I saw during last attack. And maybe a better Epyc would help

<p​cre:monero.social> We need a switch from AMD64 to RISC-V at some point

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Will never append, sorry

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But nice dream

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> should happen in 2026

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> None of the people who actually made Risc-V chip made them as open hardware, none

<p​cre:monero.social> It is more likely Monero will switch to SHA256 algo

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and like we already have the SG2042

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and they are all dog slow piece of jnk at 10X the price of a 20x faster CPU

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 64-Cores RISCV64 CPU

<p​cre:monero.social> RandomX and more Cores? Does that work?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> milkv.io/pioneer

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> trying to find actual benchmark

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> SOPHON RISC-V C906

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But the 64 cores is the SG2042

<p​cre:monero.social> Looks pretty cool, to be honest.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And Sophon make proprietary chip afaik

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> not open one

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, that's true

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ain't aware of anyone trying to mine XMR on it

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's open they even provide schematics and gerbers on request

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but heavily under development

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> github.com/milkv-pioneer

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I made the chip,not the motherboard

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> should have everything

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> SOPHON SG2042 is a risc-v bit it's not a free and opensource CPU

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> github.com/milkv-pioneer/opensbi should be the microcode

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> the "microcode"

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> riscv handles that differently

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but look neat for the 64 cores model

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but it's 1400 Euro....

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> let see if I can compare it to a 4 years ryzen

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> github.com/sophgo

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> more things here

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> It's developer board it doesn't have the economy of scale for consumer product

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ok, so 64 cores of that expensive SG2042 chip is about half of the performance of my 16 cores 3950X

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But I can get the Ryzen plus the board at 1/5 the price lol, more performance, more memory slot, more sata, more pcie, move everything, yay!

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > compares consumer product against a development board

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> It's performance of the chip that I compared

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> But yeah, normal ATX board for PC left the development stage a long time ago

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> chip will be more economical once it actually works reliably

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Point is, i'm not paying a lot more for a lot less

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Sipeed is expected to make much cheaper SBCs for it

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> especially if it's for providing service for the comunity for free

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> fsck SBC when I can get a thinkcentre for 130$

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> for 130$ I get 1-2 nvme, 3 video out, 1 sata, 6 usb, and.... one ... metal... case....

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's riscv would already argue that it's providing much more

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> SBC where properly priced before covid

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> after covid, SBC when to the roof for some reason

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> especially for privacy and secu.. well security for a new chip is not great idea to do

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> no use case except if you want to put a computer in the fridge or under your car or something

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> like embeebed shit

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> no one audited that shit, you have no clue of how secure it is

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what do you want to use that for? The energy efficiency won't be better than OLIMEX server and also comes in metal case(TM)

<p​cre:monero.social> The problem will be that commercial hardware will always be one step ahead in transistor size. I would be willing to sacrifice some performance for open hardware, but I'm not a professional miner either.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, 4W vs 15W, it's more efficient.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but 15W is not 150W, it's still cheap and running that 5 years won't even cover the price difference

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> arxiv.org/abs/2309.00381

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> For what workload? I am replacing my AMD64 server with that atm bcs it's better option for always-on server with XMR node and control server

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> is it a security audit, the prehamble is only about performance:

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The Sophon SG2042 is the world's first commodity 64-core RISC-V CPU for high performance workloads and an important question is whether the SG2042 has the potential to encourage the HPC community to embrace RISC-V.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> In this paper we undertaking a performance exploration of the SG2042 against existing RISC-V hardware and high performance x86 CPUs in use by modern supercomputers. Leveraging the RAJAPerf benchmarking suite, we discover that on average, the SG2042 delivers, per core, between five and ten times the performance compared to the nearest widely available RISC-V hardware. We found that<clipped message>

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> , on average, the x86 high performance CPUs under test outperform the SG2042 by between four and eight times for multi-threaded workloads, although some individual kernels do perform faster on the SG2042. The result of this work is a performance study that not only contrasts this new RISC-V CPU against existing technologies, but furthermore shares performance best practice.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Localmonero is closing: t.me/LocalMonero/76247

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> iirc it touches on the security as well

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I can't believe this

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> A "mostly" idle load to make proper comparizon

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> as a full load will abliterate the metric of the SBC

<p​cre:monero.social> 🖤

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> X

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I know it

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> expected it

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> said it many time

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> HAVENO IS REQUIRED

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Yes.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> you won't get good energy efficiency from AMD64 it's better if the OLIMEX server wakes up the AMD64 for when it needs performance

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Is this also because of Russia ban? Like with localbtc? Or other issues

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> non, it's probably because USSA attacked BTC stuff lately

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and Localmonero was not untouchable so

<p​cre:monero.social> Bad news.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> localmonero.co

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> extremely bad now

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> well XMR's utility dropped to 0 then

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> localmonero.co/blog/announcements/winding-down

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Literally can't use XMR to pay for anything without local monero

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDeskWHYYYYYYYYYYY

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Why they did not just bank americanos instead?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ban*

<p​cre:monero.social> 🖤

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Who will buy boosteroid subscription for me now ffs

<p​cre:monero.social> I'm shocked to be honest.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> How I will get money for rent now fk...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I guess I can try to get contact info and contact them otc or something

<k​arano:poddery.com> ohh localmonero is shutting down !

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Haveno is java

<p​cre:monero.social> Now more than ever. Monero

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> how exactly is that supposed to be any good

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's no good, I been complening for Haveno since more than a year for a reason, it needed to be online BEFORE that append

<b​asses:matrix.org> TF

<p​cre:monero.social> The only software I know that is implemented in Java and works well is Bisq. But they don't understand the UNIX concept either.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> anonymity by default, for all monero trades ?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Serai is not even live yet

<b​asses:matrix.org> archive localmonero.co/knowledge

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> (was talking about haveno) but theres no public announcement on their end yet

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> you mean that: localmonero.co/blog/announcements/winding-down ?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So basically there is no DEX for monero now -> XMR is unusable as a cryptocurrency rn

<p​cre:monero.social> Haveno is the Bisq clone, isn't it?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, and the beta was working mostly find more than a year ago

<k​arano:poddery.com> basicswap dex is active

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> How I can cash with basicswap I wonder....

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> haveno dex didnt make any public announcement on what's holding up the public release ever since it got released as 1.0.0

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> haveno dex didnt make any public announcement on what's holding up the public release ever since it got released as 1.0.0 , so yea, waiting on that

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> We pretty sure its the same reason LM exiting

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Concil is toochable

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Is that even trustworthy? I need to pay for things with XMR

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> e.g. paying with XMR to get a boosteroid subscription from G2a.com

<k​arano:poddery.com> bro it has atmoic swaps. no need to trust

<p​cre:monero.social> A minute's silence for localmonero , please.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You need to trust the atomic swap implementation tbf

<k​arano:poddery.com> but it only has crypto-crypto pairs

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i need XMR -> Product service

<p​cre:monero.social> thx

rip

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So i have to do XMR -> BTC to get services now

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> that makes XMR basically useless for me

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> poor woodser

I buy Monero for cash so it's not a problem rn, but I wonder how the fees would be for a $5 payment...

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> works on haveno for years, ux team gave up because of price, take some delay, community's angry because of board drama. everyone call haveno to be shit. 1.0.0 tagged, no release (probably for good reason), continue to be harassed by its fans

BTC's fees

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> The fees are insane for doing XMR -> BTC -> Product

I know they are insane but wonder what $5 could turn into

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> last time i tried 5 USD to pay for protonmail it costs me 20 EUR

<b​asses:matrix.org> Darknet going down loool

<b​asses:matrix.org> @ ofrn

<b​asses:matrix.org> lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> basicswap is WIP

<b​asses:matrix.org> every Monero project rn is WIP

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> So there is no way to get XMR -> Product anymore

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> basicswap work fine

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but it does not do fiat

<b​asses:matrix.org> exactly

<p​cre:monero.social> Klaus is not thrilled if you pay with Monero.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> plenty of place accept the XMR, that is not the problem

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> problem is getting the toilet paper all normies accept....

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> what about the places that don't

<b​asses:matrix.org> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/457

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> obviously tengible shit like the store or the landlord lol

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> localmonero solved that for me =-=

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> So... If I get it right, ofrnxmr wants to be particl devs' boss ?

<p​cre:monero.social> With CBDC the day would have come anyway from fiat to Monero and vice versa.

<p​cre:monero.social> Better now, then we are one step ahead.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> apparently haveno has a test network we can already use

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/blob/master/docs/installing.md

<b​asses:matrix.org> that what I was wondering lol, isn't he new to the team?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean, he could be new but good at coordination, but a "BasicSwapDex project manager" would be clearer imo. Tho he might hate this kind of vocabulary

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean, he could be new but good at coordination, and "BasicSwapDex project manager" would be clearer imo. Tho he might hate this kind of vocabulary

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> Thoughts on eXch?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> used once, worked good

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Well XMR is dead to me rn, i am moving most of my XMR assets to silver and when there is a way to do XMR -> Product without getting scamed then ping me plz

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Alright I'll ping you a random meme I have on my hard drive

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> /myroomnick ping me when XMR to product is a thing again

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> aaa fractal!

<b​asses:matrix.org> can localmonero open source their frontend and backend?

<l​m:matrix.baermail.fr> is woodser present on matrix ?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> That would be great

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but how are you going to manage the escrow

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> not that i know of

<p​cre:monero.social> I like silver, but it is very heavy.

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes on matrix.to/#/%23haveno%3Amonero.soci….social&via=matrix.org&via=envs.net

Invest in aluminium , much lighter

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> much lighter including the value

<p​cre:monero.social> Bitcoin/Monero and Gold/Silver

<p​cre:monero.social> good combo

plowsof: air is lighter and more necessary

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> > Failed to join #Haveno:monero.social

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> eeeee

<p​cre:monero.social> Buy the bad news - guys. i will increase monero by 10k USD tomorrow.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Fuck bitcoin and their fees

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> If you do XMR -> BTC to pay for things you are terrorist

<p​cre:monero.social> You could say the same thing about silvver and premiums.

<b​asses:matrix.org> exch.cx/faq#aggregation

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> silver doesn't have fees

<b​asses:matrix.org> have option for clean BTC

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Shane live in switzerland confirmed

<p​cre:monero.social> But disproportionately high minting costs.

<o​rban.1:matrix.org> Can eXch be compromised as we'll?

<b​asses:matrix.org> me no idea

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Shane could post on fucking localmonero.co and exchange XMR for physical silver and vice-versa!

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Actually

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Localmonero shutting down will probably drive the price down significantly and launch of Haveno to drive the value of XMR up significantly

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> is this pump and dump scheme

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> They even locked the support rooms lol

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> The only things they needed to do is to move there infrastructure to Russia and Block Russians and USSA users

<b​asses:matrix.org> where is it located?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Omg can we keep this to one room

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> in some non important island

The only recent update to the canary was 1 extra bogus request localmonero.co/canary

<b​asses:matrix.org> >move there infrastructure to Russia and Block Russians

<b​asses:matrix.org> tf?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> naaa, use all available rooms!

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Do XMR -> boosteroid subscription for me and we can

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 5 convos of the same thing

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I NEED MY GENSHIN IMPACT KURVA DRAT

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Multithread!

<b​asses:matrix.org> exch.cx/faq#data_collection

<b​asses:matrix.org> bad elaboration

<b​asses:matrix.org> >We don't collect any metadata.

<b​asses:matrix.org> makes no sense

<b​asses:matrix.org> misinfo about Android in telegram linked repo

<b​asses:matrix.org> exch.cx/faq#why_no_telegram

<b​asses:matrix.org> >there is no storage sandboxing on mobile devices

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Android 10:

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Scoped Storage gives you more control over your files and can limit what can access external storage. Apps can have a specific directory in external storage as well as the ability to store specific types of media there.

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Tighter access on device location by introducing the ACCESS_BACKGROUND_LOCATION permission. This prevents apps from accessing the location when running in the background without express permission from the user.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> in the meantime, heres the localmonero alternatives: kycnot.me/?t=exchange

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> I need XMR -> Product

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> what product ?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> also reddit is filled with posts that majesticbank is a scam unsure how true it is

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Boosteroid from G2A for example without doing XMR -> BTC

<a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> Moneromarket.io is still up and running.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> how would that help

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> fiat 404 not found

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> stop 👏 using 👏 the 👏 fucking 👏 VPN

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Some Russian must fucking clone 1:1 localmonero and done

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> moneromarkets.io works on tor for me

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> localmonero should put a goal of X monero to publish backend + frontend code

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And make open source

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk Can you just gift code to russians?

<a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> Fiat to XMR transactions can and have been arranged on Moneromarket.io.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> painful, afaik it won't support all currency

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> but can be dons

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> done**

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Very shitty experience I would say, to trade coins via monero market

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Local monero just make open source and some trusted Russian/CIS dev in our community should put it up and online

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Done

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Like p2pool dev or xmr.ru site mods

unkn8wn69, that would be legit dangerous there though. More like somewhere else that is not as harassing.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I'm sadly not ready to think haveno will come around and fix our problems very soon

I mean hosting in Russia... Idk how long you would last if you want to deal with crypto there.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> In Russia and CIS people dont have these liquidity problems because they are all in OTC groups and have their own contacts. We just need a system to build such groups. There are some projects like this such as vexl

<b​asses:matrix.org> Alex | LocalMonero | AgoraDesk open source frontend and backend when?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> never

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> There's already an opensource backend and frontend that you will be able to use very soon: Haveno.

soon™

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> emphasis on the ™

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's a variable multiplier

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> between 1 and infinity

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i mean, did woodser contact you guys in the background saying that ? or are you guys just assuming the release date ?

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> Haveno is already at v1.0, we're clearly on the final stretch.

<b​asses:matrix.org> assumption ofc

the release date has remined constant

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Run LocalMonero until Haveno is that "soon" then

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Just give the code and we can put it in a nice and happy russian server.... please???

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can be online today!!!!

alex it seems the most recent delay is due to something that is not technical

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Then just redirect LM user to new russian platform

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> pain cancelled, EASY!

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> please!

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Can even backup the DB so we keep same users and ads

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> okay, well i wished woodser gave an eta or any update on the release of haveno, may be the final stretch but the lack of public annoucnements isnt helping

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> would be great... Don't want to do it anymore? Fine... Let someone else fscking do it instead of killing it

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I mean Alex and the LM team have done such a great work. I want to thank again. You could make a CSS for open sourcing of local monero, it'll be filled in a day.

<b​asses:matrix.org> haveno is 1 man job?

<c​0mmando:hackliberty.org> 🍯

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> or maybe he knows more than us and haveno will launch any minute now

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> it's not going to launch in any minute

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> like they said imminent release of haveno in the blog post

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I agree

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> maybe its intentional lol, let chaos unfold and save the day with that release

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I mean local monero wouldn't close until there is a better platform to take over...

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Right???

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…de/PZVjgzAA6gnosjNB6Q0nM9AslJsEz6Uo

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I hope at least. Local monero has been top one answer on "how to get xmr", aside from kraken that's KYC and only in a few countries

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> haveno's v1.0 and we know that the delay is not technical

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> logic checks out

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> if i moved my XMR to silver only to miss getting lambo i am murdering all of you btw

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Imminent been "™️" since two years or something

yes imminent since Dec 2022

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ^

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> why would he said it this way then

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> and more importantly why is he making us do a guess work

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> =-=

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Not his style normally

you are assuming that he knows everything

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> He talked very open about possibility of LM closing in the future on monerotalk

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> ikr

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> haveno ppl said that they rely on LM for funding and infra

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I'm guessing for regulatory pressure + now he can't speak openly

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it would make sense to shut down LM

unkn8wn69, I doubt a govt would like a service for non-kyc purchase of digital cash.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And just trying to make it seem not "as bad", hoping haveno can take over fast for p2p fiat-xmr

Why Russia of all places and not some random middle of nowhere? They might also very well crack down on crypto, LM would last even less.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> USSA can access everywhere

<a​js_:matrix.org> doubt it… haveno structure, as planned, is too centralized to be considered a real dex

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> except russia and china... and maybe some other asian countries

ravfx, yea, but these would want to crack down on crypto even more than US ever would.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> but they also shut down agoradesk which is BTC

Like... Obviously you cannot ban crypto there, but you can 100% get in deep trouble for running a service like this.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> yo everyone, keep your localmonero vendors contacts to be able to keep trading fiat->xmr until haveno launches

<b​asses:matrix.org> putting it at russia or china will make it worse

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Russia has been largely the most liberal against crypto, especially since they use it internally to evade sanctions both on personal and national scale

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> yeah, that's the plan

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> and might continue to do so after it even launch

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> And russia going to tell the USSA glowies to fsck themself if they ask anything related to the servers

Yea, that is true. But there have been rumors about crackdowns too. Also if a guy got in trouble for running a Tor node, a whole non-kyc crypto trading site would be an insane target.

There are dozens instant exchangers in Russia that support Monero <-> Fiat, I don't know what crackdown you're talking about

ravfx, they would not mind using crypto by themselves. They would mind their citizens doing so.

sech1, yea, that's why I said rumors.

I personally buy with cash from a known guy, but idk where he takes it.

Kind of don't know if it is safe to say outright that I use crypto... The legal status is dubious. But whatever, I cannot unsay things anyway.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Exactly

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> And even if they arrest anyone on behalf, they just get recruited to GRU haha

There are even offices in Moscow where you can go and get piles of cash for your crypto

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Like with rEvil..

sech1, how many of those are easy to use anonymously? Never dealt with Bestchange.

In literal business district in the center

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> fuuu, maybe I should just dump latam and move to russia

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> ahh fk, it's cold nooo

sech1, the offices I have seen listings for require ID, and/or are for huge sums only.

XMR <-> online banking obviously has KYC on the bank side

unkn8wn69, recruitment of admins would put the citizens in danger, but yea, citizens have to protect themselves anyway.

I don't know how cash in person works, never tried it there

I have looked at some listings but they wanted KYC.

sech1, bank - yea, was thinking about things like Qiwi that you can pay at a terminal. Never used that so idk, is this possible?

ravfx, you could move if or when the regime is gone.

Qiwi? Wasn't it shut down last year?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> naa, too cold

ravfx, even withoit climate it would be far, far too dangerous now.

sech1, I used it as an example.

I don't know, I don't use them

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> I'm on many Russian forums and have many contacts in Russia and CIS and everyone always told me its easiest fiat <-> crypto there IRL.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Online I've used dozens of services both p2p listed on forums (where Russian forums have well thought out trust and deposit systems) and also with instant fiat - crypto swappers

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Never bad experience

I know one network of terminals KYCs you by phone number, but idk about others - whether they allow filling a random wallet KYCless or whether the KYC is just after filling tbe recipient.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> P2P low AF fees and instant swaps are mostly OK fees, some bad

Yea, maybe. But a huge international exchange agregator would probably be dangerous.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> You can get everything anonymous in Russia, even bank accounts

But that would be very risky.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> At least through the web..

Bank accounts are identity theft and risk you prison time.

There are no anonymous bank accounts in Russia

Exactly.

Technically there are, just like everywhere, but it is insanely dangerous and insanely illegal.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> In Russia you have that right?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/pGSqZCYrhvgnlSatqoFWhhOO

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Like we have in latam

Many ATMs in Russia can both give out and take cash

Also wouldn't instant swaps require some online Paypal-like wallet or a bank card? A human can at least wait until you go downstairs to a terminal.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> so you can buy XMR from random ATM too?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> that better if it's the case?

There are also "terminals"

sech1, what banks support that?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> -?+!

Which are not ATMs, but they take cash

I have never seen ones that don't require a bank card first, but have not looked closely.

<u​nkn8wn69:matrix.org> Checkout bestchange.com, aggregated and curated list of swaps. Check the review scores before swapping.

Yes.

Yes, you put your card first, then you can deposit cash

Yea, and this is KYC, so dangerous.

No KYC at terminals though

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> oh noo, I mean, like...

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> contact give you a code

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> just type the code in atm, without using card, then cash flow

But limited list of services you can pay/refill there

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I was totally certain they had that in russia, but maybe it was not true

I would not buy KYC like this just in case crypto possession becomes illegal tomorrow and there is such a clear trail forever.

ravfx, never seen such a system.

I wasn't looking closely, again.

Closest suspicion was Tinkoff that offered filling a card by its number or by a phone number, but no idea if it KYCs you later.

I wonder if human traders usually can tolerate waiting while you go downstairs to the terminal...

The much trickier question is how you exchange TO fiat.

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> if your not waiting in the noon sun for 15 minutes in the tropics it's fine

LocalBitcoins/LocalMonero both had time to fulfill the trade, usually 30 minutes-1 hour

so going downstairs is fine

sech1, and Bestchange ones?

But ye, nice to know.

I guess so

I don't even need this personally, but it nonetheless gives me peace of mind.

"Asking for a friend", I see :D

Why? I already have a source. For CASH of all things)

I might be the one who sells it in uni if needed.

IF this doesn't become dangerous.

I probably should not have talked about using XMR online, but the deed is done already.

You're going to sell XMR for cash, or buy XMR with cash? The difference is huge

At least my goals for using it are not a secret and harmless, so I have a peace of mind in that.

sech1, what difference is there if it is between peers you know in-person?

Probably won't be going through because I am a coward. But fun to think about.

Because if you buy XMR with cash from random people, and that cash ends up in some dirty business, or even worse, in a certain country (you know which one)...

Idk, the guy isn't exactly "random".

Idk where he buys it though. But I suspect he is using crypto as stonks, so probably a centralized exchange.

Also... Is cash tracked automatically to THIS extent?

Cash is not tracked, but people are tracked when needed. Who met with who and so on

Yea, I just don't know if a random acquaintance can really get in trouble for this. At least whether saod acquaintance has more chance of teouble than a normal everyday deadly roulette.

Anyway, I have no idea how people cash out safely KYCless, mildly curious about this now.

I'm not saying anything, but if the chain of people is too short and it ends on you, you can get in trouble moscowtimes.ru/2023/06/21/fsb-zader…a-donati-vsu-v-kriptovalyute-a46659

Okay...

Which is why I said that the difference is huge, whether you buy or sell XMR

My crypto goes to things like a domain registrar though.

Idk how unsafe this is.

Probably safer with Monero, if you sell Monero for cash. They can't track where it goes after

So you can't get in trouble randomly because your peer sent BTC to someone who then sent it to a wrong place

I would not rely just on Monero with a higher threat model, but for mine just the built-in anonymity should be okay.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Sounds like articmine’s theory with coin swapping

Even if there are ways to track it somewhat - probably they would not be wasted on someone who just has IRC and a cringe website.

monerobull support.kraken.com/hc/en-us/article…owered-by-dlt-finance-asset-support

I think that even once card payments work again, I would be sticking with Monero just because it feels more comfortable to not leave a billable card with somebody.

plowsof: AIUI that is for Germany

Kraken says auf wiedersehen to XMR for its German clients. XMR will be set to withdrawal-only mode on July 10, 2024:

thanks nioCat, i should have lead with that

also zcash being delisted but pepe remains

lol

I cannot even tell if this is a joke or not, wtf is this scene.

thats not a joke

Pepe existing?

pepe existing AND support on kraken to continue

Lol

coins only exist to trade, not to use

And to hoard!

true :)

I am most worried about crypto-accepting businesses with this, this is one case where I would prefer a big exchange.

<f​500:matrix.org> hi guys

premine coins with no purpose but to enrich their creators are ok i guess, but not something that's useful

<f​500:matrix.org> i need help

badjabber, and don't allow using them on non-custodial wallets, most importantly!

<f​500:matrix.org> i have a wallet xmr delisted in binance

<f​500:matrix.org> but i have recevied 2 pyement after delisting

yeah you need to be stuck on an exchange BlueyHealer. Banks forever!

<f​500:matrix.org> for verify transaction

Why would you mind this though? Your money would be actually protected, badjabber!

<f​500:matrix.org> them request me "view key"

f500 what's the problem if you already received the xmr?

you have more stuck?

<f​500:matrix.org> i mining using xmrig

<f​500:matrix.org> in supportxmr pool

BlueyHealer yeah :(

Mining directly to binance wallet? Not a smart decision

<f​500:matrix.org> where i find viewkey?

ah... you mined into it after the delisting?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> f500 this is not the binance support team speaking, how may i help you

Exchanges are not your wallet, damn it!

You go in, you exchange, you withdraw

You leave 0 at the exchange

in cli wallet you can get your viewkey by typing 'viewkey' or something like that. They should NOT need it though that's weird

or you're asking for trouble

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> you where mining to your binance wallet address?

probably mined after feb 20th

<f​500:matrix.org> they say they need the key of the pool who sent the data

that's never going to happen

supportxmr mining wallet viewkey, I mean

they don't, they know you deposited to them

they are giving you a difficult task hoping you'll give up

<f​500:matrix.org> i have create wallet in 2022 i think

they're probably asking not for a viewkey, but for a transaction proof

which is tx private key + the address it was sent to

you could link them to the supportxmr page tracking the deposit address

but it is supportxmr admin who will need to run commands in their wallet

the supportxmr page will show records of the txs going to binance but it won't be blockchain lvl crypto proof of tx

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> rip local monero

<f​500:matrix.org> @Snipa22 or @M5M400 , can you help me?

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> we need decentralized p2p trading lol

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> f500 please follow the conversation on libera.monerologs.net/monero/20240507#c373720 (you have replies waiting) . you can still respond here

<f​500:matrix.org> can anyone help?

what exactly do they ask for? The exact phrase they used?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> f500: click the monerologs link, read, and reply here. thanks

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> don't use binance

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> bitcoinisgold / xmr dot se please dont say mean things to use when you hear about LM

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> i bet most of the xmr is not converted to usdt

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> i bet most of the xmr is now converted to usdt

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😅

<f​500:matrix.org> i cant reply on monerologs

<f​500:matrix.org> they ask verify transaction

<f​500:matrix.org> xmrchain.net/tx/c76a67b93d47540fd2f…3ac72b2ee690844a4e3d77d126165241ae6

<f​500:matrix.org> need my wallet id (i have) and private viewkey ( idont have)

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> check xmrig wallet for view key

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> best to use own wallet not exchange wallet

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> yes f500, reply here and read on monerologs (there are issues with delayed messages coming through)

If this transaction goes to their wallet, they don't need view key. They already see it.

Unless they just disabled their wallet already

<f​500:matrix.org> i dont' have xmrig wallet, only app for mining

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> ok first disable mining

Then they ask for proof that this transaction sends funds to your address. It will require tx private key which only supportxmr admin can give you.

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> change wallet address to ur own wallet form feather wallet

thanks sech1

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> how much binance xmr u have in those 2 payments ?

On that page xmrchain.net/tx/c76a67b93d47540fd2f…3ac72b2ee690844a4e3d77d126165241ae6 you have "Prove sending" tab. You'll see what is needed there

<f​500:matrix.org> 0,19911801 total

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> rip

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> try to convert them to usdt

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> if u can

<f​500:matrix.org> it is by principle to recover them, not by the sum

<f​500:matrix.org> i cant

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> rip

<f​500:matrix.org> on binance never arrived becouse send AFTER delisting

<c​hoise:matrix.org> Rip

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> bet binance have the monero wallet

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> try support ticket with binance

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> worst cast assume those funds binance has eaten sadly

<f​500:matrix.org> already done, and they specifically asked me for the viewkey

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> i bet binance wallet view key only binance can tell

If they want viewkey for supportxmr wallet, this is ridiculous

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> or else try supportxmr pool owner for view key

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> pool owner must have the first mining pool view key

<f​500:matrix.org> have you a irc channel for contact them?

"The pool operators are M5M400 and Snipa22 who can be reached in the #monero-pools IRC or at support⊙sc Please be patient and someone will get back to you"

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> what does their website say about contacts

<f​500:matrix.org> they send in this irc channel xD

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> what ? who send ?

<f​500:matrix.org> Getting started is easy and this pool has a large and friendly community that are happy to help you. The pool operators are M5M400 and Snipa22 who can be reached in the #monero-pools IRC

<f​500:matrix.org> supportxmr.com help section

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> oh

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> so only they have the wallet details

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> #monero-pools:monero.social but uhh your matrix dot org account may not even see replies (no monerologs to help the delay) so better just email them

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> so they must have the view keys

<f​500:matrix.org> ok i try email

They will not give you view keys

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> f500: enter #monero-pools:monero.social

I said it's ridiculous and it's not what you need to prove sending

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> click it

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> in matrix channel

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> say hi

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> over their :p

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😅

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> misunderstanding f500 - may not be possible , but you never know

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> f500: what matrix client are you using ?

<f​500:matrix.org> app.element.io xD

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yes use that

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> nice you are on that channel

<f​500:matrix.org> send e-mail

<f​500:matrix.org> we will see

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> thank you for contacting the not binance support team. please enjoy the rest of your day and fill in the feedback form after you close this window

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lol

<f​500:matrix.org> 😅

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> best is to remove view keys problem solved

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 🫠