<m​odul8:matrix.org> youtube.com/watch?v=dat6fSlKrNA&t=52s what makes people think after "they" have fucked around with monero enough to try to curb adoption that they will not attack all other coins and users similarly? sounds like they making sure nobody can exit to monero easily first and then screw up everything else. glad to know that monero is not a good for nothing blockchain tho lol

<p​cre:monero.social> Bitcoin is practically in bed with the state at the moment. If the state starts to manipulate software development, then things will get interesting. Otherwise the sweet cantillion candy will be taken away.

<a​remor:matrix.org> Are collaborative transactions possible in Monero?

<a​remor:matrix.org> (Multiple inputs in one tx that require completely different set of private spend keys in order for the TX to be valid.)

yes

/3/

oops gnore me

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Haveno's mainnet integration has been released btw

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> github.com/haveno-dex/haveno/blob/master/docs/create-mainnet.md yup, its starting to launch it seems

I don't see how taking fees from this isn't going to get people in trouble

it seems really obvious at this point that the benefactors of this will be seen to be operating a MSB

<k​arano:poddery.com> selsta monero development is now funded !!

<k​arano:poddery.com> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-13.html

<k​arano:poddery.com> selsta monero development is now fully funded !!

<k​arano:poddery.com> ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/selsta-13.html

<b​abeler:matrix.org> I've been trying to send and having trouble. Just re-installed and waiting for it to sync. I was getting transaction sent, but then no confirmations and transaction failed. Have you been able to send funds recently? I saw the network was held up a few days ago on reddit.

how much fee?

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> I wonder... it probably is a product of the state.

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> How it evolved seems sus.

pepe86frog what do you mean?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Get rich quick bankers jumped all over Bitcoin and outnumbered the punks to where the project was basically killed

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> I'll never forget watching the asset correlation coefficients converge

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> That was equal parts funny and fascinating

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Couldn't claim it diversified worth shit anymore lol

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Or at least, not as well as it used to.

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> But yeah I find it hard to believe that some of these decades-active well educated proponents are all state rubes

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Post-hoc rationalization is a mf

<b​asses:matrix.org> wired.com/story/tornado-cash-money-laundering-case-crypto-privacy

<b​asses:matrix.org> >Tomorrow a Dutch court decides the fate of Alexey Pertsev, cofounder of Tornado Cash, which allegedly enabled $2.3 billion in crypto money laundering. The result may shape the future of crypto privacy and liability for open-source, decentralized systems.

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> So you think it was actually hijacked... Probably. I think it might have been the og cbdc.

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> rip then

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> its need to be truly decentralized with no central fee or custody or server

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> if btc implements MWEB it will be funny to watch it lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> pcre: pepe86frog btc will show us what can soft forks even do and its limits lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> will be fun to watch lol

what is MWEB? I have seen this now various times the last days

<a​remor:matrix.org> Do you know where I can find docs on this? web.getmonero.org/resources/user-gu…ides/multisig-messaging-system.html does not seem to cover it.

<s​huroii:matrix.org> Hello, I'm trying to run XPG, which uses the monero wallet RPC daemon, but I want to do so on a machine with these sysctl's enabled: `net.ipv4.ip_forward` & `net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind`. This is because I want to be running HAProxy on these machines, and thus need the ability to forward packets that arrive to this machine to another machine. Unfortunately, when I use those sysctl's<clipped message>

<s​huroii:matrix.org> , XPG reports that the monero wallet rpc daemon is unable to connect.

<s​huroii:matrix.org> I tried disabling these sysctl's, and sure enough, MW just connects perfectly.

<s​huroii:matrix.org> Is this a known issue? If it is, is there a known work-around?

<s​huroii:matrix.org> Hello, I'm trying to run XPG, which uses the monero wallet RPC daemon, but I want to do so on a machine with these sysctl's enabled: `net.ipv4.ip_forward` & `net.ipv4.ip_nonlocal_bind`. This is because I want to be running HAProxy on this machine, and thus need the ability to forward packets that arrive to this machine to another machine. Unfortunately, when I use those sysctl's, <clipped message>

<s​huroii:matrix.org> XPG reports that the monero wallet rpc daemon is unable to connect.

<s​huroii:matrix.org> I tried disabling these sysctl's, and sure enough, MW just connects perfectly.

<s​huroii:matrix.org> Is this a known issue? If it is, is there a known work-around?

<b​asses:matrix.org> getmonero.dev/docs/multisignature.html doesn't cover it?

<a​remor:matrix.org> Hmm well the first paragraph after those first bullet points suggests that it's not possible

<a​remor:matrix.org> > Monero doesn’t directly implement multisignatures (at least not in a classical sense). Monero emulates the feature by secret splitting.

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> multi-sig bane of monero lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 🥲

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> bought 3K worth of XMR through trocador and i have 0.2 XMR wtf

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it's still syncing though so it will hopefully fix it

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> maybe use majesticbank next time? not the biggest fan of them tho after they went dark last year for a week

<a​remor:matrix.org> Mimble Wemble I think

<s​huroii:matrix.org> no pointers from any available linux greybeards? I'd hate to lose out on load balancing by namespacing XPG

<s​huroii:matrix.org> I'm assuming the problem isn't with *XPG* but with *the Monero RPC Wallet daemon* regardless

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it has the correct amount on the tracking website so it should be okay i guess

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> 1.5M blocks behind

3k for 0.2xmr wow i remember when that would get you alot more

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> dunno majestic seems sus the whole reddit is filled with PSA about them doing an exit scam

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> it should give me a lot more based on the tracking website

<p​lowsof:monero.social> Shane i was joking. Youve been here long enough to know that "actual balance wont show until wallet is fully synced"

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> i actually don't know that i never had this situation to happen before in the whole time i am using XMR :D

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> though that's BTC thing tbh

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> MimbleWimble (non-interactive as per their claim)(if possible lol)

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> MimbleWimble from grin & beam(non-interactive as per their claim)(if possible lol)

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> MimbleWimble from grin & beam(this time non-interactive as per their claim)(if possible lol)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Do you guys imagine a world where grin&beam and Monero communities are friend

<y​asabi:matrix.org> this is a great primer on the MW transaction scheme: medium.com/@brandonarvanaghi/grin-t…explained-step-by-step-fdceb905a853

<y​asabi:matrix.org> it's tailored to GRIN, but they are the most minimal implementation of MW

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yep

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Anyone able to suggest a method for an organisation to accept Monero donations, with minimal hassle on their end?

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Currently their only reason for not offering the option is concerns around low amounts of donations and extra work for their organisation...

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Just wondered if any recommendations that might allow them to reconsider

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Anyone able to suggest a method for an organisation to accept Monero donations, with minimal hassle on their end?

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Currently their only reason for not offering the option is concerns around low amounts of donations and extra work for their organisation...

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Just wondered if anyone had recommendations that might allow them to reconsider

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> As from all communications with them, they really want to offer it, but this is the final hurdle

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> tell them to look at crypto for homeless

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> cryptoforthehomeless.com

<b​abeler:matrix.org> restarted it and tried to send. No failure but now it's been sending for the last hour or two. Think I should restart the GUI and node?

<b​abeler:matrix.org> or is that a reasonable amount of time?

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1tMb…-7G5HCz_eVjRbHY/edit#gid=1097637714 thats the "books" for them look how many donations

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> Coming from the Bitcoin world some things about monero confuse me. Is there really no way to call the equivalent of bitcoin's `loadwallet` rpc command? If not, is literally the only way to get access to wallet calls is to run monero-wallet-rpc with the `--wallet` switch?

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> So in other words do I really need to run 5 different copies of the monero-wallet-rpc program if I want to interact with 5 different wallets?

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> I think the wallet rpc allows you to switch to an other wallet from the rpc without reloading

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> Maybe I'm just blind but I don't see it here: getmonero.dev/docs/interacting/monero-wallet-rpc-reference.html

<y​asabi:matrix.org> i don't want to be friends with beam

<y​asabi:matrix.org> corpo coin scam

<y​asabi:matrix.org> their code base is enormously complex

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> getmonero.org/resources/developer-guides/wallet-rpc.html

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> See:

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> open_wallet

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> create_wallet

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> stop_wallet

<y​asabi:matrix.org> but the GRIN community is largely favorable to XMR, though critical of RingSigs' reliance of statistical modelling

<a​remor:matrix.org> No idea what grin and beam is

<y​asabi:matrix.org> GRIN is an implementation of the MimbleWimble protocol, which is a blockchain design that was conceived of in early bitcointalk days

<r​ucknium:monero.social> George: If you want to do that simultaneously with 5 different wallets, yes. It's painful IMHO. Maybe go to #monero-community-dev:monero.social

<y​asabi:matrix.org> phyro.github.io/what-is-grin/mimblewimble.html

<y​asabi:matrix.org> This link gives a history of the discussions about the design with Satoshi: phyro.github.io/what-is-grin/commitment_chains.html

<y​asabi:matrix.org> despite being speculated on it wasn't formalized until around 2016, and then implemented around 2019

<a​remor:matrix.org> Ok. And why would we "friend" them? What's that even mean?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> personally i think privacy-preserving coins with open, voluntary development models and without central corporations or devtaxes should work together more

whats the best monero news site?

monero observer is good

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> grin & beam only good MW blockchain

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> others like epic cash, lite cash, MimbleWimble coin have their own touch lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> MW coins are super minorities lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> they were faster with c++ and MW development lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> MW Lantus v2 mix up dandelion++ from firo SBBS development all came to beam faster lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> MW Lelantus v2 mix up dandelion++ from firo SBBS development all came to beam faster lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😛

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> just like halo 2 orchard of zcash

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> no one can defeat capitalism lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😛

<y​asabi:matrix.org> didn't their network crash more than once?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> and lelantus negates the native MW cutthrough property meaning the scaling benefits are totally lost

<y​asabi:matrix.org> i agree epic, litecash, MWC etc are junk, just pump and dump schemes

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> they wanted more non-interactive privacy they got them in beam somehow lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> and smart contract and atomic swaps dex lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> all dependent on tradeoffs

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> and no can defeat capitalism lol

<y​asabi:matrix.org> yeah see, the interactivity was seen as an issue in the early days, but i don't think it really is. the major hurdle was the need for early MW wallets to always be online but with Grin's slatepack format that's no longer required

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😛😛

<y​asabi:matrix.org> without the cutthrough tho i don't see the point of MW, might as well do it on a traditional chain model

<y​asabi:matrix.org> and the privacy benefits are arguable, while lelantus obscures the TX graph, since MW outputs are just commitment hashes it's not clear how much identifiable information is actually discernible with them

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> both beam & grin facing the problem of interactive part till now just look at exchange and dex adoption lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> worse then monero multi-sig & exchange adoptions lol

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> we are in crisis since localmonero

<y​asabi:matrix.org> i don't think it's interactivity preventing adoption, it's largely the exchanges don't want to take on new networks if they're not given an enormous bag of premined coins for it

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yep

<y​asabi:matrix.org> TradeOgre implemented slatepacks for Grin and it's totally seamless, GateIO uses the tor addressing scheme

<y​asabi:matrix.org> CEXes are just fucking scams

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> that true but no want to touch zero knowledge inner product & zk stark FRI coins too

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> no brain + no incentivize

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> that true but no want's to touch zero knowledge inner product & zkstark FRI coins too

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yea last place for semi-darknet CEXs

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> that true but no want's to touch zero knowledge inner product arguments coins & ZKSTARK FRI coins too

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> lol @ a cex that uses cloudflare being called semi-darknet! :P

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Hey they're probably first to market with direct darknet->black site integration!

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> *innovation*

oh boi I read this post on linkedin some woman saying regulating crypto is the way forward

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yea lol https Clearnet un-regulated CEX let's see how long it last

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> sadly

<g​ee:matrix.start9labs.com> They don't dare stop it... otherwise it might move from the platform where they can see every trade and every user's every move

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 🥲😥

Also EU has just launched extra crypto regulations

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yea we will see

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> sadly

but they can't seem to actually stop bankers and politicans from fraud

with fiat currency

it's such a scam

in my book it is the behavior that should be regulated (and it already is), not the tool

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 🥲😥😟😢😨😰

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Hope they have a plan

it's like saying oh cars with electric engines should be regulated differently than cars on gasoline

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lets hope so

nomatter what your car uses for fuel, speeding is still speeding, innit

imho same should apply to money

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> withdraw if you have coins lol

I don't uses CEXes

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> still have till nov for that

I'm not worried for me

but for the newbies

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 🥲😥

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 👍️🫠

I have this theory... traditionally older men/women ruled the world, because the world was evolving slowly

but since the internet, the world goes too fast for old people

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> I'm lucky, I've been a cryptoboomer since iike the 2010s so not many places to worry about.

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Last time I had a balance where I didnt control the keys was probably over 10 years ago

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Missed out on some fun I suppose

same here

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> nice

I lost a few bucks on mt gox

that's it

they

're even trying to repay me, which is nuts :D

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Only ever had like $100 in ETH in total 😂

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lol

so all these people talking about danger and unregulated exchanges

not in Japan bro

unregulated or not, they will find a way to reimburse you even if it takes a decade

even regulated banks wouldn't try that hard

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> I feel for the folks trying to sort it out now

for some I do too, for some I don't

you can't imagine how many people I tried to explain "not your keys not your crypto" and they're like "nah, binance is cool"

You know no two penises and vags are the same, so I think we should use that for KYC, impossible to crack

but when you send a dick pic you're exposing your private key

:D

I guess you can protect it with penisring signatures

heh

Someone here has good experience with unstoppable swaps or smth?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rav did i think

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Gone tho

nioCat thanks bud

how much benefit does "fcmp" provide over the current 16 rings?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> insane benefits

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> meaning full privacy and full resiliency against actual statistical attacks

<y​ifyiyerdo:matrix.org> monero.town/post/3135463