<a​nonimauzanto:matrix.org> Does anyone have a chart of average and median outputs (not transactions) per block per day?

moneroj.net doesn't have it, but you might be able to ask them to add it.

syntheticbird: when is it likely to be released?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> 1 yr or less i think

what statistical attacks are not protected against currently?

and how realistic are theY?

we are talking about what is currently hidden by ring signatures which is who sent the tx

so the anonymity set currently is only 16?

which is plenty except that in certain situations that 16 can become significantly less

what are those certain situations?

remote nodes? or is that no longer a problem?

an example, you get monero from an exchange and send to a merchant and the exchange and merchant exchange the info they have

the more times that you do that the more certain they can be that it was your tx

how realistic is this?

i thought that's exactly what monero was supposed to protect from. how can that be mitigated? by transferring between a few light wallets first?

you can send to yourself but nobody knows the best way to do that and doing it wrong may nake it worse

what would be "wrong"? wouldn't it be enough to create a new wallet and transfer it over, making sure that there's a delay?

and i mean a real new wallet, not a new subaddress in the same wallet

new wallet doesn't mean anything, you can just send it to the same wallet that it came from

addresses are not on the blockchain

it's the outputs that are traced

the point is that it is a weakness, how much.............

so if i buy something from a kyc exchange, and i'm going to send to a merchant who might cooperate with the exchange, what should i do to mitigate this issue?

depends lol

last line was a continuation to what I was writing, not an answer to the above question

i figured, unless you're a hyper speed reader ;)

or if it went kyc exchange -> me -> different kyc exchange

again not sure if this is valid advice but you can do a couple of self sends at different times

in theory monero would totally anonymize and the only threat would be traditional opsec (like timing)

AIUI exchanges do share some info

exactly

could even go so far as saying kyc exchange -> me -> same kyc exchange (but at a later time, and not the exact same amount)

not many of those kyc exchanges left, what were the enforcers thinking? lol

i thought virtually all exchanges are kyc now

how many trade monero?

ah

well some do, as long as the number is >= 1

kraken, bitfinex and poloniex with the last one doing very little business

i guess also with the possiblity of atomic swapping in the future too then btc -> xmr -> btc is viable

then btc at a kyc exchange

no idea if you get "clean" btc from a swap

exchange has a score for all btc that it receives

we are talking mostly exchanges with fiat

that's dumb. so they'd blacklist btc that comes from a swap?

they can

some exchanges will tell you the score of the btc you sent them :D

mostly american and western only i assume?

and eu?

I am USA

ok

so in the current climate using monero to "clean" money is still viable, just takes extra steps?

it was not designed to do that, difficult to do it well

need to go, ttyl

ttyl

it doesn't seem too difficult, as long as basic opsec is maintained

not with huge amounts of money i'm sure

no one's gonna clean a million but a couple hundred not too hard right?

<c​hiefprivacy:matrix.org> I would like to download an entire copy of the blockchain but in the MoneroGUI app, every time I chose a storage location it tells me I have 0GB of free space. I have over 3TB of free space, what is going on?

<r​ecanman:agoradesk.com> Do you have multiple storage devices?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Folder owner?

<f​:monero.social> In RPC's `transfer_split` it says *"Same as transfer, but can split into more than one tx if necessary."*

<f​:monero.social> What's a necessity in this context?

if you want to transfer more than 16? recipients, lets say 30. you make 1 rpc call to transfer_split and it will automagically create 2 separate transactions to handle your request (if you're trying to construct a huuge transaction it may fail)

<n​ope:matrix.teamsds.net> Hello

<p​cre:monero.social> Hi

<n​ope:matrix.teamsds.net> Whats going on? Just got here

<4​l4s70r:monero.social> 👋

<f​:monero.social> plowsof: Thanks. It's the only case where a split occurs?

Im not sure if anything else would require a split. Sweep_all does it for us if the number of inputs exceed 146~ in a send to self consolidation

<b​asses:matrix.org> would you turst a CEX on darknet tho?

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Depends what you mean cex. LM was more centralized than a dex and they had an onion

<b​asses:matrix.org> But was a legitimate company and would face legal issues if "exit scammed"

<k​arano:poddery.com> how are transactions prioritised in the mempool ,by the fees they borne or by fifo ?

<k​arano:poddery.com> and how can i know how much kbs of transactions each block holds

<k​arano:poddery.com> and how can i know how much kbs of transactions does each block holds

<r​ucknium:monero.social> kevino: First, txs are prioritized by fee per byte. (Really, it is fee per "weight", but two-output txs, which are the most common, have the same weight as size). If multiple txs have the same fee per byte, then most mining pools use the standard `monerod` behavior to confirm in first-in-first-out order. P2Pool does random order when multiple txs have the same fee/byte.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Usually, each block holds about 300 KB of txs. That can increase slowly if the txpool is full. Look at xmrchain.net

<k​arano:poddery.com> makes sense ! 👍

<r​ucknium:monero.social> kevino: Section 1 (page 2), Section 7 (page 14), and Section 8 (page 16) of my draft report about the suspected black marble flooding has more details: github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/b…d/pdf/monero-black-marble-flood.pdf

<k​arano:poddery.com> i believe transaction size is calculated based on transaction amount and/or inputs and outputs involved in the transaction?

<r​ucknium:monero.social> kevino: It is not based on the amount of XMR that is being sent. That info is hidden by cryptography, anyway. The number of inputs and outputs of a tx will set the tx size, mostly. Users and wallets can put more data in the tx_extra space, but mostly the number of inputs and outputs will predict the tx size. Look at the different txs on xmrchain.net . It shows the number of ins/ou<clipped message>

<r​ucknium:monero.social> ts and tx size for different txs.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Here's more: github.com/Rucknium/misc-research/tree/main/Monero-Nonstandard-Fees

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> I have made a CCS Proposal for a peer-to-peer trading room on Matrix.

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/462

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> - No trade fees

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> - No listing fees

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> - Accessible from web, mobile and desktop

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> - Accessible over Tor and clear-net

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> - Supports all currencies

<b​aldeagle2:monero.social> In summary it will be an easy way for people to buy and sell Monero for fiat peer-to-peer with no KYC and no fees.

<j​azod:matrix.org> Hey guys,

<j​azod:matrix.org> I try to execute this command: printf <wallet password> | ./monero-wallet-cli --wallet-file <wallet path> --password <wallet password> --daemon-address <daemon> --trusted-daemon --command transfer <target address> <amount>

<j​azod:matrix.org> But it returns "Warning: Some input keys being spent are from blocks that are temporally very close, which can break the anonymity of ring signatures. Make sure this is intentional!

<j​azod:matrix.org> Is this okay? (Y/Yes/N/No):"

<j​azod:matrix.org> the problem is the command has to be executed with no human intervention!!

<j​azod:matrix.org> and it seems to be impossible to create a Monero wallet without password

<j​azod:matrix.org> and the problem is that if the password is not in my printf statement, it will prompt to put it, even with the --password statement within the command

<j​azod:matrix.org> 12:24

<j​azod:matrix.org> J

<j​azod:matrix.org> Hey guys,

<j​azod:matrix.org> I try to execute this command: printf \<wallet password> | ./monero-wallet-cli --wallet-file \<wallet path> --password \<wallet password> --daemon-address \<daemon> --trusted-daemon --command transfer \<target address> \<amount>

<j​azod:matrix.org> But it returns "Warning: Some input keys being spent are from blocks that are temporally very close, which can break the anonymity of ring signatures. Make sure this is intentional!

<j​azod:matrix.org> Is this okay? (Y/Yes/N/No):"

<j​azod:matrix.org> the problem is the command has to be executed with no human intervention!!

<j​azod:matrix.org> and it seems to be impossible to create a Monero wallet without password

<j​azod:matrix.org> and the problem is that if the password is not in my printf statement, it will prompt to put it, even with the --password statement within the command

<p​cre:monero.social> try »set ask-password 0«

<p​cre:monero.social> and »help set«

<j​effro256:monero.social> DM me if you want 2 free Monerokon tickets

<j​effro256:monero.social> If you're doing automated wallet tasks, I would recommend using monero-wallet-rpc

<e​dge7:matrix.org> Not sure if I got your point, but in Linux there is a yes command you can use to answer yes automatically

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yet people are using those sites with their own risk lol

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> yep

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> funny is even binance was like "not your keys not your coins" and everyone one was memes and shit but then again "nah, cex are cool lol"

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> funny is even binance was like "not your keys not your coins" and everyone was memes and shit but then again "nah, cex are cool lol"

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Social proof is a helluva drug

<b​asses:matrix.org> heard of infinity or some shit

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> like who tf uses that shit

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lol

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> I think ive used infinity

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> 😂

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Marketing works a bit too well tbh

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> "I'll call my ~~market~~ rugpull Incognito!"

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Fuckin so stupid its brilliant

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> Fiction ain't got shit

<a​xmasta:matrix.org> I said shit, fuck all, on reality

<0​x1zxq7896lp2zero:matrix.org> lol

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> what happened with infinity?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> if anyone's interested in trying out Haveno DEX (for fiat -> XMR transactions) feel free to check out my tutorial on it blog.nihilism.network/servers/haveno-client-f2f/index.html i tried to make it as noob friendly as i could

<m​oralpriest:matrix.org> does anyone know a printing service for t-shirts that accept XMR?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Do you see my PM? 👀

<j​effro256:monero.social> DM'ed u back

n​ihilist: Why does your guide use somebody's fork of haveno?

oh sorry, I see. Sometimes I can't read good

<c​owboy_coffee:matrix.org> Is there a need for more dedicated Monero nodes at this point?

nihilist: can you help me understand what these servers are? I presume "reto" hosts them.. Does reto have a good reputation or anybody know this entity? What software is it? Another haveno node or what?

Or wait... I guess those are just random onion xmr nodes they run. So what are the pubkeys for?