<u​ser9219:matrix.org> they will hardfork again like with bch and split community once again lol

<c​onk:monero.social> Yes

<c​onk:monero.social> That's the point

<c​onk:monero.social> All of them can allow you to trade with fiat

<p​reland:matrix.org> Although tbh I wouldn’t be shocked if someone broke sha256 before tail emission ends

<p​reland:matrix.org> I mean, SHA-1 was “broken” a while ago, so it wouldn’t be shocking if some genius breaks SHA-2

<p​reland:matrix.org> It doesn’t even have to be a big break either: so long as the odds of a successful attack exceed 1 in 2^256, the break would eventually become more efficient as tail emission is neared

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> Bitcoin does not have a tail emission. And the halvings are going to cause a big drop in the mining incentive in 20-30 years from now - possibly even sooner, depending on how the price goes

<e​ndor00:matrix.org> The only way to avoid that without a hardfork would be for users to pay insane tx fees (50+$ for a 2-in-2-out tx) and keep the blocks full of them 24/7

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Yeah, the lack of tail emission in Bitcoin and almost all crypto-currencies is a huge engineering flaw

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Fluffypony and the OG's had great foresight to introduce tail emission in XMR emission schedule in the early days so that it was part of the monetary supply / social covenant from the start

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> the incentives are messed up

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> tx fees are paid by the users of the cryptocurrency, but mining is a protection fee for the owners of the cryptocurrency

<n​obfg9000:matrix.org> users are incentivised to hold their bitcoin and never use it (because spending fees are disproportionately high), but also the network relies on fees to protect the wealth held in bitcoin

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> I don't see that as the main problem. I agree with the bitcoiners that it would be more desirable to have a fixed cap on a currency. The problem is that in crypto-currency that necessitates that fees finance security. Fees and demand for block space are too volatile and subject to change to secure a high value network. I see a small perpetual emission as a crucial security measure<clipped message>

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> for the network. I don't really care about fairness I care about holding a currency and accepting a currency which has good engineering and good security model.

<f​r33_yourself:monero.social> Security is financed by 0.86% dilution year over year in Monero plus some fees presently. It's a more stable, reliable, and practical way to incentivize honest security (hashrate)

<m​odul8:matrix.org> rent seekers and early adopters just want to make money and dont care about its utility. failed future, failed project.

preland:matrix.org: I think I will disagree with you. Even back when USD was still linked to gold, prices tended to be far cheaper than they are today. To be fair, the US was still new to the "first world", and the ones that were already first world economies were all just recovering from all the WWII bombs they had to deal with, which is a factor too, but there was still far fewer USD in

circulation than there is today.

As for Monero reaching 1000 USD, I doubt it. The highest it got (according to CoinGecko) was 542.33 USD, which is only a bit more than half of it, and it was during its first bull run. The 2nd bull run reached much lower than that. So at best it could reach to 700 USD in this bull run, at worst to 300 USD.

In order to predict the future, you need data from the past.

<conk:monero.social> And telegram <- seriously why do they love it so much

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Simple, easy to use

I woulf feel so exposed trading something legally gray under my real identity and with no encryption

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Similar interface to whatsapp

<b​asses:matrix.org> spyware

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I know this

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I am telling you why people like it :)

Yea, point isn't that - it's how open it is. You're so exposed while doing this thing that, while by itself probably wouldn't get you in trouble, is in a legal gray area.

<b​asses:matrix.org> people wrong

<b​asses:matrix.org> but I know

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I assume so?

I would never trade crypto there, too sensitive for such an exposed and hard to use not under your real identity platform.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> BlueyHealer, yeah, telegram seems not to care for most of it because they are in UAE

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> but things occasionally will happen

Yea, but your messages are in the clear and they still are in bed with LE

Even though trading XMR won't get you in trouble by itself, you're tempting fate...

Like the people who deal DRUGS there.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Telegram is a centralised, closed source service that forces its users to KYC themselves, you can only use it for a public internet use as you're under surveillance while using it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, of course. Telegram advertises itself as secure and private and has nice UX

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/uCOCrqqHjaEeDXfMLHialiBF

I wish it was less popular among crypto traders then. I guess a lot of them are used to KYCing, but still.

<k​lausschwab:monero.social> "B-b-but without telegram, where am I supposed to get my dose of le funny gore videos?!?!?"

That's scary. Collecting compromate on yourself.

I guess you could use Telegram anonymously - maybe over Tor with an Android VM, or maybe a signal-cli analog exists for it... But no idea whether they detect and block this, so this is not even worth bothering with. Easier to just write it off as "the public space" and use normal messaging for anything even semi-sensitive.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Anonymously, yes. But its cryptographic protocols are not audited

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> So I wouldn’t be sure about its security

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Signal’s cryptography is really strong, but it needs a phone number

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> mtpsym.github.io

<recanman:kernal.eu> Anonymously, yes. But its cryptographic protocols are not audited <- Yes, you could just try to somewhat mitigate the damage.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Certainly. I agree

<b​asses:matrix.org> simplex.chat

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> It's a centralised service, partially open source, and you can't self host the serverside, and yeah being forced to use a phone number makes their intent clear. In short it belong in the same internet use category as telegram : public due to the surveillance

<b​asses:matrix.org> "partially open source" source?

<b​asses:matrix.org> you can selfhost server, but you can't fedearte with signal or whatsapp servers

<b​asses:matrix.org> federate*

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Yea lack of federation is what keeps the service centralised

I use Signal with a few former classmates, but it is annoying because you can only register on desktop via signal-cli, and having neither GUI nor TUI SUCKS

nihilist, at least the messages themselves are safer, so better than nothing but a WEIRD middle ground.

Not just lack of federation, but from what I know - hostility to some forks.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, that is the other thing.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Just trying to get a simple point across

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Signal does have an open server AFAIK, but self-hosting is “discouraged”

<f​:monero.social> New SXMO-ONFIRE Tool: OGRE

<f​:monero.social> ———

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<c​onk:monero.social> Accessible, popular and easy to use

<c​onk:monero.social> Check t.me/alexscommunity its basically the biggest p2p monero trading group rn

<c​onk:monero.social> Its own by Alex, the same Alex behind LocalMonero

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> No it's not. It's a different Alex.

<c​onk:monero.social> Wait what?

<c​onk:monero.social> I thought it was you the whole time

<a​lex:agoradesk.com> Nope.

<c​onk:monero.social> Damn

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> It's pretty clear that Alex from LM is not running the group

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Idk why you thought it was him running it

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Trading P2P group -> Appear after Localmonero shutdown -> Owner is called Alex. Make sense to think it is

<recanman:kernal.eu> Signal does have an open server AFAIK, but self-hosting is “discouraged” <- You'd need a custom client for this at the very least.

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/OHbvrHNUhyDQZmLRUFDVCipf

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/BwbSidvroZXadedjETgDoEIY

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> -_-

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> lmao

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> Idk alex from LM would ever have Shrek as profile pic

Shrek AND Moto Moto!

<p​reland:matrix.org> Lol

<p​reland:matrix.org> Though I can definitely see why there was a misunderstanding; in fact, the timing seems a little too good to be coincidental—can someone comb the room rq and see if this “legally distinct alex” has ever claimed or implied that he was in fact Alex from LM?

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> He hasn't.

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> I've been in group since beginning

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> I've done trades with him. Not often just saying

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No PeerTube mirror though?

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How hard could it be to prove your identity? Just sign something with the PGP key that was associated with you, lol

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/FWrypvYxORnUBgEtKdzhgzVo

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/reeYMMYRLIgMZwIIhwJKOLxj

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> People are stupid

<x​mrfamily:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/ylKHLTJcXDbNhqKDhaLziYZQ

you are people

i iz peaple

<c​onk:monero.social> Everyone is stupid except me

<c​onk:monero.social> Well...

<c​onk:monero.social> I guess I am also stupid since I confused two alexs

<m​cneb10:envs.net> is there a general cryptocurrency room on matrix?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i have some funds trapped in polygon+ETH

<n​t:4d2.org> hiya

<x​erotera:matrix.org> i have some monero xmr ineed to sell quick if u take all my xmr u can get it for good price i used local monero befor i can send my profile if u want to see it i have 4.128 xmr if u take them all u can get it for really really good price need to sell befor friday

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> I heard xmr will get very valuable

<x​erotera:matrix.org> i crashed my car :d

<x​erotera:matrix.org> Or drunk driver crashed in to me

<x​erotera:matrix.org> instagram.com/p/C7bwDN6Iu9X/?img_index=1

<x​erotera:matrix.org> mine is the orange gold

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> you gonna track my IP if I click the link

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> maybe u r fbi

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<x​erotera:matrix.org> image.png

<x​erotera:matrix.org> user9219thats my car

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> oh shit

<p​reland:matrix.org> I take pride in being stupid

<x​erotera:matrix.org> so i need new befor friday so i need to sell my xmr fast ;D

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> fuck car bro wtf

<p​reland:matrix.org> Do you know abt Haveno yet?

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> keep your xmr

<p​reland:matrix.org> Also how the hell are you getting a car that quickly and with >4 xmr lol

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> my friend sold 5 bitoin in 2015 for a car and he regrets, dont be that guy

<p​reland:matrix.org> I bought my mini pc for 2+ XMR, and I thought at the time and still think one day XMR will be worth 80k+

<p​reland:matrix.org> Don’t regret, just live your life and use Monero the way it was meant to be used: as a currency

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> take yourself a bike, its summer, and save potentially +50k lol

<x​erotera:matrix.org> cant i have 500 euro need to get 400more found 1 cheap ugly car for 900 just need to get to point a to b'

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> oh and europe !!? you got the best bike infrastructure

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> 100$ marketplace, new chain new brake and cost 0.5 xmr

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> a to b fulfill

<c​onk:monero.social> Its Instagram he can't do shit

<a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> Looks like rural Scandinavia.

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> if you move under 10km per day save those xmr

<p​reland:matrix.org> While I do overall agree with the sentiment of biking, if you do need to sell them I’d suggest finding a crypto swapper and then selling whatever crypto you swap into

<x​erotera:matrix.org> i have 30 km to work and need to get my kids to daycare

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> fair enough

<x​erotera:matrix.org> 3 broken ribs 1 keybone 1 lung withblood in'

<x​erotera:matrix.org> ;D

<u​ser9219:matrix.org> ouch

<n​ikita.wings:matrix.org> And what kind of car is it?

<x​erotera:matrix.org> y its hurts like hell

<a​mbitiouslemming:matrix.org> Does Bitrefill operate where you are?

<system> file image.png too big to download (1354723 > allowed size: 1000000)

<x​erotera:matrix.org> image.png

<x​erotera:matrix.org> Got it down from 1000 to 900

<n​ikita.wings:matrix.org> What's the mileage?

<x​erotera:matrix.org> 24 000

<x​erotera:matrix.org> Beter then nothing

<x​erotera:matrix.org> i miss local monero

<x​erotera:matrix.org> was so easy to sell there

<n​ikita.wings:matrix.org> Yeah, that's better

<x​erotera:matrix.org> if someone find me to sell my monero that person can keep all over 400 euro i have 4.128 xmr i take revolut paypal swish the person who help me get all over 400 euro

Did you publish an offer on Haveno? You'll find buyers quicker there

just take cash bruh

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> Oliver Cadjo: contact your insurance / personal accident claims etc and stop being sus/offtopic here.. also stop mentioning exact monero amounts

<x​erotera:matrix.org> ok srry