<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Hello, at the moment we don't resell anything. We have our own virtualization stack :) before we used to only resell hetzner.

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> Thoughts?

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> * docs.oxen.io/oxen-docs/about-the-oxen-blockchain/pulse-pos-on-oxen

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> * docs.oxen.io/oxen-docs/about-the-ox…ockchain/blink-instant-transactions

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> They forked monero and integrated the technology into a low-latency onion-router and implemented an instant transaction technology

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they seem to basically fix the problem of bening able o pay with monero in store it seems

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> they seem to basically fix the problem of being able to pay with monero in store it seems

<b​asses:matrix.org> this is official? libreddit.bus-hit.me/r/Monero/comme…the_monerostressnet_discussion_room

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yes, Rucknium and a few others are working on it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Look in #monero-dev:monero.social

<p​cre:monero.social> ibb.co/Hq5yHqz

<p​cre:monero.social> Find yourself on the list.

<p​cre:monero.social> I could use help.

<p​cre:monero.social> If anyone has a good idea to improve or complete the list.

<j​effro256:monero.social> Nice try getting us to disclose our holdings ....

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i own an unknown amount of xmr, so i dont know in which category i belong sorry ;(

<p​cre:monero.social> Do you remember the amount you lost on the boating accident?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> man that was a long time ago, i have no idea

<p​cre:monero.social> That might be a good point for Prince: "You lost all your Monero in a boating accident"

"your wife doesnt know anything about the prostitute you visted last night" if you have 10 monero coins???? that is childish and offensive. my wifes boyfriend would probably agree

<j​effro256:monero.social> IIUC , this only works if miners respect the order that the oxen service nodes say that the transaction appeared in. There's nothing stopping a miner from ignoring the service nodes and directly mining another transaction into the block

<j​effro256:monero.social> Oh they have PoS validators. Same concept though , unless the randomly selected service nodes have a privileged place in consensus

<j​effro256:monero.social> If you have "supernodes" (i.e. centralization) then its incredibly trivial to resolve double spends: just ask the supernode which one it saw first

I am very sussed out by the whole "you need to pay an amount of money no average person can afford to lose to host a node".

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps amount.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps number.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly triple our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers, so we doubled down on that :)

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@nihilist:m.datura.network> i guess i was lucky to have asked at the right time. did you have any bad experiences with abuses ?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No no issue with abuse. We had a lot of volume at the end of May. Nearly tripled our vps numbers. Hetzner is cold feeted at the moment to raise our limits. Which is a good thing anyway as we were starting to launch our own offers, so we doubled down on that :)

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> ah got it, thx for the info :)

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> dont forget to post updates to let your users know

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> At the moment we have our own offers. Hetzner vps are out of stock.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> There is no issue for existing vps.

<m​mgen:monero.social> servers.guru: The internal links on your onion site link to the clearnet

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> That's weird. Thanks for the info we'll check it out.

<m​mgen:monero.social> servers.guru: Linking manually works fine, like this, for example: srvguru7bjzzjba7xy2hnx2ju4k77qy4eum…dwc3j2zof4aggyd.onion/anonymous-vps

<m​mgen:monero.social> servers.guru: Just need to use relative links, that's all

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Yes, I thought this was fixed already but I'll check it out. Thanks.

<p​cre:monero.social> ibb.co/mXqGm8Y

<p​cre:monero.social> The new version. Keep the score for yourself and set yourself a goal to reach the next level.

<m​mgen:monero.social> servers.guru: Do you accept Monero directly, or via a payment processor?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> love that one lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> great, but slave is kinda racist lol

<p​cre:monero.social> Tell that the ai who created the image.XD

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> We use a self hosted payment gateway

<b​asses:matrix.org> btcpayserver?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Bitcart

<p​cre:monero.social> Ok then I post this on reddit.

<p​cre:monero.social> The filter from reddit removed the post. LOL

<p​cre:monero.social> I post it on nostr.

<p​cre:monero.social> "This post has been removed by Reddit filters." <- woke filter ?

<p​cre:monero.social> It detected 18+ But nothing naked on the image.

Cc mrnaif for bitcart usage

<p​cre:monero.social> Posted the image on Nostr : nostter.app/nevent1qqsw5nlwfz42qn2w…zgar7hulpltsddmlhr9w9mn6frq4gxnnmge

<p​cre:monero.social> We should be using Nostr anyway.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> I know him well :) we're actually hosting the bitcart website. Great dude with a great project.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Hello guys! Any of you know where i can reach /r/monero mod? it's regarding crypto leak giving direct to 300m+ scam ongoing now

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5499189.0

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I believe monerobull is a moderator

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> freewallet lol

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> cryptowatergate you can just click the message mods button in the subreddit and all mods will read such.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> It's not just freewallet.. grab a look at thread

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> We did just that but i am not sure about how reddit is friendly with TOR users will it even foward it :P

<a​tori_0xbdc3ab4e:matrix.org> Is there a way to see how many transactions have been broadcast through my (public) node?

<b​asses:matrix.org> We have 4.7GB of evidence only for "the biggest leak ever"

Funny how Reddit allows Tor but not any VPN/proxy

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> ?

It gives a warning screen when you use a vpn/proxy now

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Biggest leak in crypto sphere have information on any bigger?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Can you release it as a torrent?

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Raw data? Well i am not sure about torrent current state never shared anything via that

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i will grab look onto it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If you can upload it to mega I can distribute a torrent and seed it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Or wherever

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> inside forum guy told me to post on pastebin but some of the guys said it will get removed

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> yeah mega.nz works

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> This works: gofile.io

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i will directly upload it on serverr as well as it's built as website if you saw thread

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> something like offshore leaks

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You can also try hosting a tor hidden service

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> yeah i did that first hahaah

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I haven't looked through the data and I have no idea if this is real or fake, just curious

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> it's open source completly

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> unrelated conspiracy theory beware, i think the us gov sees bitcoin as the next gold, they want it for themselves, deny everyone their right to self-custody bitcoin progressively through KYC and they want to own it all and artificially increase it's value, just like they did with gold

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i want data to be hosted by multiple individuals

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> bittorrent is p2p, exactly that

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> whole website with data is available for download but raw data i will see what i can do about that

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> I am just not sure if anyone can help me regarding atomic hack breach for context we didn't share it yet to public due some guys contacting us to give data so they can give t o LE

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> but basicly atomic hack was false flag done by them and they transfered it to garantex whic his owned by cousin of constantin

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Upload it somewhere, send link, I'll seed it

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> now issue is i can't calculate how much XMR was stolen so that's big gap in my data

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> yeah once i compile website i will share it inside subreddits and main thread

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i have to take care of my opsec first haha

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> these bastards already hunt me

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/LxDaRQsbWrQCIiojYciTqKCp

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/mpLxcnwDaKrTJsqzekAAWVoh

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> this is how i compiled data so regular folks can read it and it's more interactive i toke inspiration from offshoreleaks

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> lmao

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> ?

Thats alot to read

TLDR it's a scam

Thanks, also when giving tips to someone on where to upload stolen data , thats probably fucking illegal and we're not interested

nihilist blackrock

Data breach? Hope they didn't get my catnip buying history

<b​asses:matrix.org> where's the page where they show all their partners/scams

<b​asses:matrix.org> it was blurred in the thread

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> it's blurred yeah not available for public yet as you see there's roadmap for "introduction leaks" point is to gather as much people as possible so victims can contact us

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> since this is closed circle chat i can put some data more in here if you guys want

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If it's stolen, no thanks

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> just don't leak it past this chat since it can allow them to hide traces i mean i did archive it via multiple sources but still

<t​alowicz:matrix.org> lets not post breached databases lol

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Well.. guys consider these people ruined millions of life.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> and this allows people to return their money or at last prosecute them

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> breached databases/mail servers are only on my server and you can download it when available other data is just compiled to give evidence to public and push them to shut off operations

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> multiple people wants to stop this for years via pen and when pen fail's well swords come in handy

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> check r/monero sidebar regarding scams that are presented in this leak it was all just allegations without hardproof evidence until now just to justify people calling this unethical unethical is publishing 3 wallets each year and wait until people deposit than take money and say you were "hacked" and run away with millions

<o​cean:matrix.thisisjoes.site> I didn't know changenow was affilated with those scammers 🧐

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Changenow is owned by changelly.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> you would be suprised how much comapnies are owned by same group of people.

I am not and I thought the relationship between changely and changenow was known

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> if any of you guys are O.G's from old times you would remember btc-e.com

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> same products in our leaks came from same kitchen

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> in short all roads lead to st petersburg and hetzner :p

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> great post man. Changenow has always done random kyc and gotten so many trades stuck.

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> for ransom

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i have 2.5btc they are using against me and bribing me not to post it

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> blocked so i know who they are don't worry hahaah

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> and they blocked it in 2022... and now it's 2024.

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> fuckers. And now with wizardswaps MIA there are less and less CEXs that offer xmr, but it's super important to have some. I think the only ones out there that are still legit are

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> Majestic Bank

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> Trade Ogre

<p​epe86frog:matrix.org> XCHG, that's about it, or is there another

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> exch is legit traded big amounts always no issue

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> wizardswap is giving me phishing warning what happend to him? i used it not so long ago

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Suspected Phishing

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> This website has been reported for potential phishing.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Phishing is when a site attempts to steal sensitive information by falsely presenting as a safe source.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> weird

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> time to move to DEXs

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> its a good opportunity to move to DEXs

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Trust me people have no idea about whole operation at last majority of them.

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Wizard Swap dead?

<h​elasse:linarphy.net> What operation ?

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Someone knows how to contact the admin of Monerica? Everytime I send them an email they never answer.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> Modus Operandi of changelly that's what i ment

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> There's no collective name of companies that are under changelly control so i call it changelly for reasone becuse it's their biggest project

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> if i told you now without any context that exodus and ledger is aware of all this and keep it going since they get pockets loaded no one would trust me without presenting clear evidence of it. It's just as name says crypto WaterGate

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> but i won't risk any bans or censoring monerobull gived me a greenlight he will give me pinned on r/monero so you can ask me anything you want until i put post up

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> expect data breach data as many in here are against sharing it in here and i can see why

<5​m5z3q888q5prxkg:chat.lightnovel-dungeon.de> FEX when

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> for context in 2022 they blocked me 2.5 BTC that i exchanged to XMR and after legal battle of 2 years i had to take desprate move to get it back so i was forced to do this basicly

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> wtf, thats insane

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> why did they block the funds ?

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> random "KYC" Check

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> they played with me for 2 years in periods of 3 months of not answering than 3 days answering etc

<b​asses:matrix.org> if it is not private, open a github issue

<b​asses:matrix.org> or contact them on twitter

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> damn, one more reason why i dont want to use CEXs anymore

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Would rather avoid Twitter.. I'll see maybe I'll do the github route. Thanks.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> for context i used exodus swap not directly changelly but exodus gives monopoly to changelly owned companies for their swap

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> so it's same

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> if you guys do ledger of exodus swap be aware it's all done by changelly

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> exodus is closed source anyway, none of use will use that

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> ngtl i loved exodus UI so i used it i learned my mistake..

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Tbh the whole idea of swap sounds dodgy. I tried many times to think how to do that. But that seems to be nearly impossible to be able to guarantee the liquidity for each currency.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No wonders it's full of scam.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> there's just lack of XMR phone wallets so i was forced to use exodus

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> use cake wallet m8

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> I liked exodus a lot but never used the swap function.

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> We used it back in the days. All currencies at the same place it was great.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> cake wallet is very suspicious i don't have any clear leads on them but it smells bro

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> multiple people reported money missing

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> it's a well respected wallet around here afaik

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> open source too github.com/cake-tech/cake_wallet

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Source please

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> can be FUD made for them but if i remembered correctly people reported it

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> probably fud, it's supposed to be non-custodial

<m​mgen:monero.social> Check out thorchain and serai. Nothing dodgy about them. Liquidity is guaranteed by pairing each asset to an intermediate currency, rune in the case of thorchain

<m​mgen:monero.social> Check out thorchain and serai. Nothing dodgy about them. Liquidity is guaranteed by pairing each asset to an intermediate currency, rune in the case of thorchain. Haven't tried serai yet but I use thorchain regularly

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> This is decentralized right? If so then sure. I mean for a centralized entity.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comment…_using_cake_walletlost_03569334_btc

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i am not sure about more information but i have been warned somewhere not to use it cannot get my sources on that as previously said i don't have any leads only memory of it

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> that's why i used exodus

<m​mgen:monero.social> Decentralization is a continuum, not an absolute, but I'd give thorchain an 8 on a scale of one to ten

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Yeah what I meant was a company that needs to keep assets in all currency to assure swaps. That seems impossible.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> image.png

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> > <@mmgen:monero.social> Decentralization is a continuum, not an absolute, but I'd give thorchain an 8 on a scale of one to ten

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> Yeah what I meant was a company that needs to keep assets in all currencies to assure swaps. That seems impossible.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> (link without going through reddit btw redlib.datura.network/r/CryptoCurre…_using_cake_walletlost_03569334_btc)

<m​mgen:monero.social> Oh I see what you mean. Regarding thorchain: not totally decentralized, but I'd give it an 8 on a scale of one to ten

<b​asses:matrix.org> the only sus thing about cake wallet is their domain monero.com have a google tracker

<m​mgen:monero.social> Right, I misunderstood you

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ra.network/luZxAaOKICqQwmlrkRXKsmxk

<s​ervers.guru:matrix.servers.guru> No problem :)

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> the guy got caught off guard by the change after he ignored cakewallet's warnings i guess

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> the guy got caught off guard after he ignored cakewallet's warnings i guess

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> as i said i don't have any leads only some memory in my head of someone saying not to use it open source is something that every wallet has to do

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i am very confused these days regarding wallets as there's 10ish ones that i had to track to evercode (atomic wallet,guarda,freewallet) etc

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> and seeing everything in this crypto wallets like ledger,exodus and others i am losing trust in everything haha

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> i get where you're going at. it's about having the proper opsec to begin with.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> 1) get an open source wallet (you need to know what the software is doing)

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> 2) make sure all of your funds are LOCAL, and in YOUR control alone

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> 3) prefer decentralised exchanges, dont risk loosing your mind with CEXs KYC stuff

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i saw somewhere today on monero subreddit there's guy selling phone like hardware monero wallet

<p​cre:monero.social> I just deinstalled reddit. from my smartphone.

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> does anyone know how is it called? i would really like to see it

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i forgot the name

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> trezor ?

<pcre:monero.social> I just deinstalled reddit. from my smartphone. <- what apps even were alive after the purge?

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> No it was on monero subreddit it's litterly built as phone like anonymous phone in that scheme

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> a grapheneOS phone probably

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Could be ANONERO thing

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> i am looking for it

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> it was luxury gold one in shape of old anonymous phones

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> 199.99$ it costs

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> and it's just monero only hardware wallet

<p​cre:monero.social> @BlueyHealer You should not actually use a service that requires an e-mail address.

<p​cre:monero.social> Matrix , hmm!? XD

<p​cre:monero.social> I like Nostr. Just a key pair.

<p​cre:monero.social> cu later guys. i'm off for now.

<pcre:monero.social> Matrix , hmm!? XD <- well, Matrix is on my server, and a VPS required an e-amil :(

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> can't seem to find it anywhere

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> really no one remembers? site was luxury design and they sell it for 199.99$

<b​asses:matrix.org> saw it too

<b​asses:matrix.org> but I dont recall the name

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> bro i am trying to find it all this time i remmeber its same design as vertu luxury phones

<b​asses:matrix.org> foundationdevices.com ??

<b​asses:matrix.org> foundation.xyz ??

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> YES

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> exactly that one it's built same as vertu

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> but it's not monero only weird

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> it's bitcoin only

<p​aranoia_machinery:monero.social> supposedly there an xmr community developed version of the firmware, but I use a trezor so I don't really know

<p​aranoia_machinery:monero.social> cryptowatergate: found it:

<p​aranoia_machinery:monero.social> github.com/mjg-foundation/passport2-monero

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Serai isnt out as far as i know

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I think Luke said 6months or so at monerokon

<c​ryptowatergate:matrix.org> jackpot that's what i wanted thansk

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Any timeline on fcmp?

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> most optimistic timeline is ~1.2 year

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Sounds good

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> Isn't it. there is absolutely no way this get delayed whatsoever. It's not like it is a pretty complex cryptographic implementation, protocol reviews, and migration to achieve /s

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Yeah, I'd rather it take longer

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> And have audits, reviews, etc.

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Is there a big team or mainly just kaiba?

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> More seriously progress have been very good tho, optimistic timeline is well... optimistic

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Pretty sure just kayaba

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If you watch his talks at MoneroKon 2024, he speaks pretty positively about the timeline

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Whats it on?

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> nah. There are third parties reviewers and integration works being done form NoWalletLeftBehind

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> FCMP++, bulletproofs++, view-assist keys, one more thing I didn't attend

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> youtube.monerokon.org

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Thanks

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> FCMP++, <del>bulletproofs++</del> (that was Liam Eagen), view-assist keys, one more thing I didn't attend

there are other devs are working on implementing FCMP

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> <n​ioCat> there are other devs are working on implementing FCMP

u r the best bridge :D

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> <3

we didn't go with FMCP on seraphis because seraphis is always 2 years away so instead we went with FMCP on RingCT cause it's always 1 year away ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

*FCMP

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> <n​ioCat> we didn't go with FCMP on seraphis because seraphis is always 2 years away so instead we went with FCMP on RingCT cause it's always 1 year away ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the 'message matrix dot org users once when they send a msg' bot will be sending this text paste.debian.net/1320277

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if i need to slip in some cat related things or emojis please let me know

Is there a bot now which makes IRC messages visible to matrix.org users? I see nioCat's messages doubled in a strange way

syntheticbird decided to byob

Oh, are we this far already with that matrix.org drama? :)

plowsof: any word from pidgeons?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao

recently Matrix has been losing a lot of my messages. My server delivers fine, but some people cannot decrypt them lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> recently Matrix has been.*

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fixed your sentence

?

I am sure that if something will ever supersede Matrix it will be 10 times more complex still and will have absolutely gorgeous failure modes because of that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I honestly can't attest that since I can't read the monstreous haskell codebase that is SimpleX

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> not kidding if there was an SDK, SimpleX would already be the number one messaging platform

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> SimpleX uses a lot of battery in my experience.

Yea, set up a server of that out of curiosity and not only does it work better, the server also takes up significantly less RAM.

rottenwheel, idk about battery because I usually have my laptop plugged in, but its client uses an egregious amount of RAM because Electron.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> XMPP, SimpleX, Threema maximalist.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Element swallowed my entire phone in my experience

Threema is centralized, it does not belong there, rottenwheel

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> SimpleX client is electron too?

YES

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unfortunately yes

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> BlueyHealer where's 'there'?

It eats up, like, 700 megs of RAM, I really count on alternative clients.

I wish I could code so that I could start that... Maybe I will)

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> SyntheticBird I use SchildiChat as my client for Matrix, no complaints. I know it's an Element fork but surprisingly it isn't as bad as upstream.

On mobile, Schildichat had more issues with encryption. I use Nheko Reborn on desktop.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I have never used element beyond some browser sessions when setting up an account on a homeserver.

I don't know how people are still building Electron apps. Nobody says good things about Electron besides Electron developers

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I stumbled upon schildicat didn't mind installing it with the old screenshots. will definitely try

<rottenwheel:kernal.eu> BlueyHealer where's 'there'? <- in a comparison with XMPP and Simplex.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah at least use Tauri

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Interesting. No issues to report on my end. Been using matrix and schildichat for the past couple years or so.

I also really hope there would be lists of public Simplex servers like there are for Matrix or XMPP. It concerns me that there is a default set almost everyone is on.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> XMPP would be leaner and easier to use than simplex, I think.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I run default servers plus a couple from friends.

Yea, I use it as my main messenger, rottenwheel, although simplex looks promising too. It is young so I would look where it goes.

Default servers?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Simplex.

I mean what do you mean "you run"? You mean have them in your list?

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Yes.

I only have my own SMP server, but failed to set up XFTP - something in the provided Systemd file is apparently wrong.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> SimpleX uses a lot of battery in my experience. <<>> depends on the setting for checking messages. If you have it on constant then 0_o

I think there are 2 other settings and 1 step down is not bad for the battery and you get messages timely enough

I don't use it on mobile personally, I just hope for a less-demanding desktop client.

If people need private messaging, a computer fits better - it's much easier to make private.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i'd say that with XMPP it's about the same

<m​cneb10:envs.net> just use OMEMO and turn off notifications and it's as private as you can get

<m​cneb10:envs.net> just use OMEMO and turn off notifications on mobile and it's as private as you can get on desktop

Why turn off notifications if you lack the Google service anyway? And on laptop they're built-in...

But yea, I use mostly it, has been botherless so far.

(still really curious where Simplex goes)

why tf is Matrix the one that got popular instead

(tbh the protocol I enjoy the most is IRC)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> SimpleX encryption can't even be compared with XMPP OMEMO. SimpleX have much more features and is state of the art (and still audited)

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> OMEMO is pretty much equivalent to just using PGP, it guarantees confidentiality, but does not have forward secrecy, so many other issues

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer, because at the time matrix was a different project than Element and the dev were the only one giving a network with e2ee and bridges

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Simplex protocol is really strong

i love all these simplex shills

reminds me of the signal shills 7 years ago :p

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Probably because it is the strongest I've found. If you disagree, please suggest an alternative I can look into

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I currently use Matrix mainly but am trying simplex stuff and I've been reading the spec and other stuff related to it

I've never used simplex

not looked into it

i like xmpp, threema and retroshare :)

recanman, afaik OMEMO does have forward secrecy. It is based on Signal protocol.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Thanks BlueyHealer, sorry about that

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> uncle_rae. 7 years ago, signal was arguably the best messenger in town. It is a shame what it becomes but its not like people would have been able to predict the future

uncle_rae | i love all these simplex shills <- is being curious about a young protocol "shilling"?

yes :D

Retroshare is interesting as well, but haven't looked into it in a while)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> xmpp, threema and retroshare share the same issue that made Matrix and Discord the primary real time messaging platform for code project -> interface sucks

Signal is annoying to use without a smartphone because you have to register via Signal-cli.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> People would 100% go over some good looking ad reactive UI if it meant no forward secrecy

And last time I tried, it could not bind a desktop client, so was stuck using it. Good thing I only use it for a couple old classmates.

syntheticbird, Dino, Gajim and

especially Conversations look very modern

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unfortunately xmpp threema retroshare and irc all have win95 interfaces

xmpp - what client are you using?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer, Gajim is ugly and Dino is good tho, but gnome only

And I seen some people on IRC complain about Gajim being redesigned as "too trendy"...

(tbh I do prefer the layout without the separate contact window)

WDYM Gnome-only?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> The nice thing about free and open source software is that if you don't like it, you can fork it and change what you want

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> "And I seen some people on IRC complain about Gajim being redesigned as "too trendy"..." <<>> *insert spongebob meme of a small hill attraction*

I remember being frustrated with Dino being barebones, but some people might indeed prefer it. But now Gajim looks identical.

syntheticbird, a kiddie coaster is still a credit!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Yeah dino is barebone ngl. I say gnome only because if people are on any other DE, libadwaita fucked up

Where id this visible? Never saw UI issues.

at least on XFCE

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao if I forked any software I was frustrated with I would have already 100 projects to work in parallel

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and there is no chance it get adopted unless you made friends along the road

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and after that you need to maintain it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> XFCE W ig

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is the nature of GPL, not necessary that it gets adopted

I wanted to try KDE, but like XFCE too much to try changing things)

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> if they redesigned it and you don't like it, clone the git repository and compile on older commit/tag, use that

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> KDE sucks

How? I saw people really like the customizability.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I love GNOME despite the devs being the most toxic in the FOSS community

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Sure, I just strongly dislike it. I like lxqt

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I mean, most toxic after revolt.chat

What happened there?

My exposure to Gnome was on Tails a few years ago, idk how it has changed since. But I didn't like how inflexible it was and the huge full-screen menu that could have been one page but isn't is just EWW

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer long story short: every mods and devs were transgenders and what was an open minded community quickly became an LGBT+ only space where whatever you say make you ban. They were antitheist, heterophobic and sometimes racist. It was just the definition of woke madness. Which is a shame because it had so much potential. I do wake up every morning thinking this was an excep<clipped message>

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> tion and that not all LGBT community are like this one

how does the threema interface suck syntheticbird? and how do you say that about xmpp when there are so many clients out there? that's an odd claim.

BlueyHealer: i moved from xfce to kde an didn't miss anything

xfce just works for me

AFAIK there is a Windows XP theme for it and that sounds right for me lol

ew, why?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> uncle_rae nvm Threema interface dont sucks. I was confused somehow

gotcha

retroshare is a throwback in terms of ui but it works for the audience that it's made for

Threema bothers me with how it's centralized. What even are advantages?

so is signal

yes

and yet everyone seems to love that shit

And Signal sucks imo

no email, no phone number

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Signal protocol is strong but needs a phone number

can pay via cash sent

or xmr

Not only the centralization, but also how they ask you to register with a smartphone too.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Anything centralized has an inherent disadvantage

clear revenue model

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I'd like to be able to host my own server

<recanman:kernal.eu> Signal protocol is strong but needs a phone number <- OMEMO protocol is Signal protocol over a saner messenger

it's an easier sell for the normies in my family BlueyHealer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Signal followed the same road as OpenAI, tho it wasn't funded by billionaires at the beginning

IDK, I sold my mom on Conversations. I chose a server for her - my server.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Thanks for letting me know, I'll look into it BlueyHealer. I thought it was just public/private key

when i tell some of them that it's free they look at me sideways

when i tell them it's $5 they're cool with it

uncle_rae | can pay via cash sent <- that's not practical though, over some borders it's not going through. XMR, though - yes, that's appreciated.

it's an option

for some people it might be the best option

recanman, but Gajim also supports PGP as well if needed.

i paid via xmr

You just are unlikely to need it with omemo

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I've used Gajim BlueyHealer, it is nice

ye, I use this one

Thought of trying a terminal one too

As for Signal - I use it for a couple old classmates. They're the only people from high school I am still in contact with.

yet it has to be used in a retarded way via "send -m "<...>" <number>"

All because they arbitrarily don't want you to register from desktop. Sounds like an "F You"

Overall it is a very weird middle ground that I am only using because the alternative would be Telegram.

<s​omeoneelse495495:matrix.org> absolutely love the amount of matrix.org users just stacking up on the timeline and not seeing real time

ahaha

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> What's the issue with telegram Bluey? Is it because of the way they encrypt things?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Numerous issues

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Colossal issues

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> mtpsym.github.io

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is centralized, requires phone number, is in UAE, has bad history with things

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Clear text sent to centralized servers issues

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> By default, messages are not encrypted. Group chats are not encrypted

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Secret chats (encrypted) only available on mobile, server isn't open, etc.

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Why anyone would ever trust that thing is beyond me

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Secret chats (e2ee) only available on mobile, server isn't open, etc.

rikapilled, rather don't encrypt things lol

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Especially "crypto" or "tech" people

<m​cneb10:envs.net> groupthing

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Fuck you're right all those things sound horrid

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Same goes for fucking Discord

<m​cneb10:envs.net> groupthink

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> That is even worse

Also requires a smartphone to register, which was not an issue because I had an account from earlier and having it exposed to smartphone is not a big deal, everything is unencrypted anyway.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> lmao Discord is really the worse

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Soybiy gamer shit

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and yet the most enjoyable one

<m​cneb10:envs.net> people still use bitcoin and claim its private

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You can assume users of discord have a room-temperature IQ

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Yeah I'm really trying to get off discord. i have a lot of old friends that I talk to on there but they aren't willing to leave it.

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Soyboy gamer shit

It is so funny that so-called "crypto" people choose Discord and not at least Matrix lol

really shows where their priorities are

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but they wont tell you why because they dont know, they are being told what to think

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I recommend you watch ArcticMine's talk and see what he says about bitcoin: inv.tux.pizza/watch?v=dTj42N49jdk

<m​cneb10:envs.net> money, not privacy

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Number go up

<mcneb10:envs.net> people still use bitcoin and claim its private <- the grain of truth is that you potentially can use Bitcoin privately, but that requires a lot of OPSEC and understaiding what you're doing.

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> matrix dot org users should be receiving the one time only spam message with info in now 🤞

<m​cneb10:envs.net> yeah that is true

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but there's no reason to do that

There might be. BTC is far more widely accepted than XMR.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> and a lot of these people will say that other options like Monero are some sort of scam or honeypot

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Why do people use bitcoin?

I am dealing with that now as my domain is soon to be renewed.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Loaded question

<m​cneb10:envs.net> yeah, right again

Although looking more at LTC because of higher fees.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> because it have more liquidity, onramp, offramp, opportunities, etc...

*lower fees lol

<m​cneb10:envs.net> LTC is nice

<m​cneb10:envs.net> more widespread than monero and easy to swap

<m​cneb10:envs.net> low fees

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Litecoin has a good use

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> I see

paying for stuff that don't accept Monero

BTW does Porkbun take LTC?

Might go with them then instead of Njalla again.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Recently nostr mad brain created a nostr powered p2p btc mixer.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> so that it isn't a centralized entity anymore but you create pools with other nostr users at will

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i don't think so

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but you can swap XMR to something on polygon and then pay with that

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you have to use wallet connect or metamask

I know Porkbun takes some crypto, but idk which ones, just know it's not Monero.

lemme check

<m​cneb10:envs.net> they can accept anything walletconnect supports i think

""

We accept payments for products using cryptocurrency. We have migrated our crypto payments over to Coinbase's onchain payment protocol. Payments using crypto will no longer incur an additional fee and can now be processed in the same flow as other payment methods.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> which is all of the chains like eth, poly, tron, sol, etc

<m​cneb10:envs.net> so you can just swap the xmr for something on one of those chains'

No idea what Metamask is - only used Feather.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> so you can just swap the xmr for something on one of those chains

<m​cneb10:envs.net> do you use cake wallet?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you can make a wallet on there to pay

Someone mentioned Trocador doing exact swaps, but haven't found that on their website, where is it?

Cake wallet? Isn't this mobile?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> trocador.app

<m​cneb10:envs.net> It has desktop beta

Oh, it has the exact swap feature too? Didn't know.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> doesn't work on NVIDIA in my testing

I don't have it anyway

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Is there a crypto opsec bible yet?

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> darknet bible is good, read the section about monero. Not for buying stuff from darknet, I don't endorse that

What darknet bible? Sounds like something out of a clickbait video lol

oh wait nevermind

BTW still cannot get over how Americans/Europeans casually use normal postal system for deliveries. Why not adopt dead drops? That sounds safer than going through an enterprise that gets so many people caught!

some people do use dead drops

Here pretty much EVERYTHING is delivered by them.

We even apparentl had them in our building, which encouraged some homeowner to hang up a sign "don't let strangers in, they're leaving drops"

leaving them in apartment buildings is so stupid, wtf

and in dense residential areas too

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> What's a dead drop? You leave the package in a random location or?

but there are people buying and selling on Telegram of all things, they have either never heard of OPSEC, live for the thrills or are high all the time.

rikapilled, yes, exactly.

Here you have to sign a form upon receiving any package, so zero plausible "I did not expect this one".

But even if there is - why do people use the mail system? Why are courier networks apparently not as big in the US??

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> I see

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> No idea xd probably something to do with the government as always

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> So who organizes the dead drop then? The vendor?

I don't see why it wouldn't work there.

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Darknet bible isnt very specific and doesnt go into much networking wise would love to see a more in depth work

As for organizing - I don't know, to be honest, might ask around. But I assume at least some courier networks exist separate from vendors.

Never questioned it tbh... But yea, doubtful every small vendor recruits couriers in multiple locations.

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Pretty sure dead drops are a no go just because of distance that you have to cover in the US. You would cut out a lot of customers if you only did dead drops. (I do not buy/sell just a thought)

Russia is way bigger than the US, and dead drops work there!

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> I see

(granted, a lot of that is uninhabited... but you get the point, that somehow works on huge areas ninetheless)

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> If you're just buying a small amount of something, a postal service may provide better plausible deniability

<a​non7642:matrix.org> Isnt population desity way higher in russia tho?

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> A dead drop shows intent, you show up at a place for an illegal transaction

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Postage on the other hand can be unsolicited

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Thats a good point

i2p > tor

fight me...

Here there is NO deniability: you SIGNED for this package. What would you say? "I ordered a pack of Magic The Gathering cards and this bag happened to be between them"?

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Do dead drops not get dangerous though? Or do they happen in semi-public areas

I2P FTW

<me:abdulocra.cy> A dead drop shows intent, you show up at a place for an illegal transaction <- that's why this should be done outside of populated areas... Although some people have ZERO opsec with this lol, I literally saw a guy shoving a paper package into a railing XD

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Most of the postage doesn't require signing, it's quite small

i'm glad the darknebible includes this note - OTR and Pidgin are both currently included with tails. However, both have become very dated. It is strongly encouraged that you start using OMEMO.

me, depends on the country. Here you sign for every one

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> What if the person selling you the drugs is a fed?

I only used OTR as a Hexchat addon.

kek, it mentions openbazaar

me, that happens too, you're cooked when receiving mail as well.

this shit is old

openbazaar was awesome

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Train a Russian bear to pick up your dead drop

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Wasn’t like that plot of Cocaine bear or something

uncle_rae, in the Tails chat, I have seen that they are thinking about replacing Pidgin with Gajim now. Might happen pretty soon.

they should gajim is better

i haven't use pidgin for about 10 years

I am surprised Pidgin lasted for so long lol. I have only seen it in Debian's preinstalled list and never opened

*at least 10 years

BTW I am only on IRC because Hexchat happened to be preinstalled on Debian 11 - my first proper Linux)

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Good ol pidgin

<m​cneb10:envs.net> Bluey if you are still interested in buying via porkbun the way you do it is pay at checkout and select crypto

<me:abdulocra.cy> What if the person selling you the drugs is a fed? <- some people do their dirty business on Telegram of all things lol, they pretty much are messaging feds)

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you need to swap your XMR to something on one of the mainstream chains like eth (dont use), sol, poly, trx

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> I don't get how they are not scared though. It's so strange to me.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i use poly but i heard solana fees are lower

mcneb10, I just want to know in advance what is accepted to prepare/swap. Don't want to deal with cryptos with high fees.

rikapilled, I don't get it either!

When I asked about this, they literally didn't care! "Eh, feds don't care!"

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i guess just swap some XMR to SOL or MATIC and use that to pay

Most would even do it from their main Telegram account! Pretty much attaching a passport to their dope order!!!!

<m​cneb10:envs.net> or some coin on those networks with large supply like USD(C/T) (fees will be higher)

mcneb10, how are fees on SOL?

Comparable to XMR or LTC?

I just don't want to be left with "change" in my wallet.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> pretty cheap, never used it

<m​cneb10:envs.net> ive used polygon

<m​cneb10:envs.net> they are very similar

I have only used XMR so far

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i used $30 of XMR profits to invest in other coins

Invest? eww

<m​cneb10:envs.net> $10 was burned on fucking ETH gas fees

<m​cneb10:envs.net> never fucking use eth

As if I would)

If I

<m​cneb10:envs.net> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…8656cd0b3da0bf181801707018696785920

<m​cneb10:envs.net> these are polygon fees

If I "invest", it's into tangible things - like a winter coat or good shoes.

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Bluey that sounds insane. I've never bought drugs and stuff before (I barely know how crypto works) but even to someone like me thats crazy.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you can "invest" in USDC then use that to buy stuff

I never bought them too! And how they do it on Telegram baffles me!

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> They must hate themselves XD

You need a) a phone number, b) A SMARTPHONE (and no idea if an Android emulator/VM would suffice!!), c) some separation from the daily OS because the thing might collect telemetry! And apparently there can be troubles using it over Tor!

They're also ban-happy apparently if you try to outsmart them like this.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> the average normie has no concept of OPSEC, obviously

Some people just count on the feds not caring.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> and if they are buying illegal drugs they probably must not be the most intelligent

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> They 100% care

<m​cneb10:envs.net> or they don't care

Which IS true to an extent. But you're still collecting compromate on yourself with pretty much your ID attached!

rikapilled, to be fair, here a lot of law enforcement are apparently on it.

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> I'm not surprised. They prefer to target drugs rather than other pressing issues

No, they prefer targetting dissidents to scare others.

But drugs can be a nice aid in that - and a nice way to make up a case.

Also probably they go after low-hanging fruit if they have unmet quotas.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I swear I hope rikapilled isn't child because he'll receive the worst political education imaginable on matrix

Like?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a boiling soup of extreme opinions coming from multiple people without way of telling the nuance in the situations being described

I have been reading too much on Western markets and their news and too little on Russian ones... I should fill that gap)

Or I should not.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> extreme opinions = very opinionated*

Oh shit I talk about this in a public chat! IDK of this is dangerous to talk about that if all you're interested in is laughing your ass of at dumb OPSEC mistakes.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I didn't talked about you in particular BlueyHealer

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> you are free to express your opinions

TBH a lot of this is anticlimactic anyway... I read news every time hoping to see some interesting exploit, ot - even more so - a complicated social operation that took a market/vendor down... But no, the end is usually stupid and not that much of a pentest learning opportunity.

I am not very informed about this all, even though some aspects of it do cross over with my special interest (pentesting). So far have not heard of markets/vendors being taken down by actual hacking :(

Although it is sort of teaching you too... A lot of dumb OPSEC mistakes displayed by criminals are also displayed by companies lol

Yea, it is indeed on par with reading about how data leaks happen from companies.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I heard that a teenager made simple 2FA token steal by calling employees and managed to leak source code from big companies like Uber

<m​cneb10:envs.net> lmfao

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Sure, it's social engineering

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> It was really not that late, maybe early 2023

<m​cneb10:envs.net> it's so fucking ridiculous these companies can get away with it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they called it a rampage

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Happens a lot

<m​cneb10:envs.net> having such awful security

<m​cneb10:envs.net> they need to be severly punished

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Happened a lot

syntheticbird, yea, something like this!

I think I know what you're referring to!

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> how?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> fines

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but like strong fines

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Don't worry, they will get a $100 million dollar fine... 5% of their profits

<m​cneb10:envs.net> or lasting punishments

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Slap on the wrist

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i don't know but the current system does nothing

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> yeah I mean, I get the idea but fines aren't going to force them to improve their security. Its board fault

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> a company need to emphasize security at its core for it work

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> You can't just patch things up

I want to become a pentester eventually, and I want to experience this security cringe by myself!

Although hope to go for more "technical" side too.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You have probably never worked in a company's production before

I want to experience both.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer noble job, wish you to succeed in that path

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I am probably exaggerating

<m​cneb10:envs.net> pentesting sounds super fun

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> nah nah. they do that, but its no ideal is what im saying

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Best one (only one) I know is Siren

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Siren is a pentester?

syntheticbird, it just happened to be my special interest now. I am kind of confused where to start - but reading books, watching leactures now and preparing for some CTFs this year.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> imagine sneaking into a companies headquarters with a kali laptop and being paid to do it

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Pretty sure, ask her Siren

<m​cneb10:envs.net> imagine sneaking into a companie's headquarters with a kali laptop and being paid to do it

<m​cneb10:envs.net> imagine sneaking into some company's headquarters with a kali laptop and being paid to do it

<syntheticbird:monero.social> yeah I mean, I get the idea but fines aren't going to force them to improve their security. Its board fault <- probably the only thing that would make them change would be their proprietary info leaking to competitors lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> CTFs are the best way. Learn on the fly, you'll need to eat a lot of infos

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> also depends on your background

Hope to participate next year!

<m​cneb10:envs.net> ive done a few, super fun and educational

I only started learning IT this year - before it was an entirely different thing I tried to get myself to obsess over but obsessions are not controllable.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> the hash cracking part isn't that fun though

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I want my 4090 rig...

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i had to crack a decently modern hash and it took like 12 hours

I am not et even ready to do tasks tbh

<m​cneb10:envs.net> and the password was weak as hell

lol

well that is sure an excuse to procrastinate)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueHealer its ok, its already pretty cool to interest into that only one year being in IT

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Im not :)

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> But under 18

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> So i guess you could say child techincally

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yep

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> all I have to say is: very good profile picture

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> do you get depression on some missions?

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Thanks

syntheticbird, I am kinda brainrotting over it now. I found a community for CTFs in my city, and now watching breakdowns of their tasks. All sound like something I would never do on my own :( But hope to get there!

very good profile pic I don't see on Weechat lol

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer don't give up, keep hope you'll be able to do so in a year or so

<m​cneb10:envs.net> it takes time

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you have to start somewhere and build up

ye

Hope to start solving tasks after I'm done with my exams!

<m​cneb10:envs.net> good luck and have fun!

Thanks! And goodnight.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gn

guten nacht

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Hehe thanks bluey. I like the idea of weechat and other cli clients but i need to be able to see pictures lol

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Night Bluey

people shouldn't be sending pics via irc

did anyone here ever use demonsaw?

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Never heard of it

it wasn't well known

and seems to have been abandoned by the developer who promised several times to fully open source the code

(but did not)

Demonsaw 4 is an encrypted communications platform that allows you to chat, message, and transfer files without fear of data collection or surveillance from governments or corporations. Demonsaw 4 is free for individual and commercial use.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> yeah theres a lot of chat programs like that

was/is a really good programme

<m​cneb10:envs.net> have a cool concept

it worked great

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but making chat programs is much, much harder than it appears on the surface

but *sigh*

<m​cneb10:envs.net> XMPP?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> that's probably as good as you can get for messaging these days

<m​cneb10:envs.net> how does demonsaw compare?

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> But if it wasnt open source how would you have known it truly didnt collect data

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you can't

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Wireshark?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> well if it's e2ee you won't be able to read traffic

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Use a firewall if you're so paranoid (you should be using one)

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you still need to let the traffic go through for the chat service

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> You'll still be able to look at when traffic is sent. E.g when the application is idle

<m​cneb10:envs.net> how do you know that the same channel used for your chats isnt collecting other data about you?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> when its closed source you cant

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I wasn't following discussion

<m​cneb10:envs.net> how do you know that the same channel used for your chats isnt being used to send data collected other data about you?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> ah

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> If it is ssl use mitmproxy, I've never seen a proprietary application encrypt data once over

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Dump memory

Is this thing you are talking about selfhostable?

any of you nerds use retroshare?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i mean with all that effort you might as well just use something open src

like retroshare :)

recanman, I've heard some applications use cert pinning and wouldn't allow you to mitm

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It may be necessary at times to inspect traffic of a proprietary application, e.g bossware

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Would firewall still be necessary if it was open source? Or just have a firewall regardless

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Hmm, yeah, good point BlueyHealer

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Firewall regardless

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Alright

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> I gotta implement that then

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I use firewalld or ufw depending on system, and I also have OPNsense firewall with TLS inspection and IPS

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Can't get better than that (it can)

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Ill go search those things

uncle_rae, is this thing selfhostable, again?

Either way, I would rather use some things that have more eyes on it and more history.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> p2pool has been doing very well today

<m​cneb10:envs.net> 3 blocks already

<m​cneb10:envs.net> my lucky break considering i only got like 2 payouts this week before today

BTW I wish I knew about IRC earlier... No chat protocol gives me so much joy.

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> how much money is that?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> 50 cents

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i got multiple dollars today

I wish i could host an IRC server, but I don't have anyone to do it for. My dream would be an IRC chat server for friends, and then said friends assembling for a Mumble groupchat - for a movie, or a video game match...

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> for free?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> well i didn't pay for it

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but im mining it

<m​cneb10:envs.net> so it uses a lot of power

BlueyHealer: demonsaw? yes.

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> I see

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Crypto is confusing lol

<m​cneb10:envs.net> yeah it is

<m​cneb10:envs.net> it sucks bc the cryptobros/maxis hide much more nuanced and interesting movement

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is based on very difficult mathematical concepts and some economic concepts, of course it will be jard

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> It is based on very difficult mathematical concepts and some economic concepts, of course it will be hard

Not just hide, but stain reputation in general!

<m​cneb10:envs.net> yeah i still don't fully understand PoW

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but PoS seems like a conflict of Satoshi's original vision for sure

<r​ikapilled:eientei.org> Was nice talking to you all, I'm gonna go to bed now, goodnight.

<a​non7642:monero.social> Am I missing something I thought irc wasnt secure or is there a way the e2ee it?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> gn

<a​non7642:monero.social> Gn

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you can use it over tor

guten nacht

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> PoW means you need to work hard to get your currency, just like you have to put some work to mine gold, you have to put some work to mine monero

<m​cneb10:envs.net> and then use the secure version

BlueyHealer: why self host irc when you can p2p via retroshare?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> yeah i know how, i don't fully understand why though

<anon7642:monero.social> Am I missing something I thought irc wasnt secure or is there a way the e2ee it? <- there are addons for e2e. Personally used OTR on Hexchat.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> you bruteforce a hash in the target range to "mine" the block

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Yes but work is work

<m​cneb10:envs.net> which is extremly computationally expensive

But ye, IRC is mostly not e2e

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> goal is to keep the scarcity in check i think

<m​cneb10:envs.net> that's part of it

<m​cneb10:envs.net> the only way the cryptocurrency is made is through mining

<a​non7642:monero.social> Mining cryptocurrency is just calling rand() infinitely in a while loop until it returns 42 - CHANGE MY MIND

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> take the dollar for example, it's easy to print more money, the more there is, the less value it has

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Do you have a field you're more oriented in ?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i heard it also helps prevent people from double spending coins

<m​cneb10:envs.net> so if you send a transaction twice one of them will be "mined" into the blockchain

<m​cneb10:envs.net> and the other will be discarded so you can't create funds out of nowhere

why tf do you take cool tech and strap it where it does not belong overshadowing the true intent

<m​cneb10:envs.net> kinda, bitcoin mining works by changing a nonce randomly to bruteforce a hash

<m​cneb10:envs.net> money, idk

<m​cneb10:envs.net> most bitcoin users got into it for the wrong reason

<a​non7642:monero.social> Its just a meme chill :)

<m​cneb10:envs.net> well it does do that in a way

<m​cneb10:envs.net> since PoW is so awful for the environment, it would be cool to at least use the blockchain to do useful work

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i don't know a task that would be hard to preform but easy to verify and also provide the same protections as bruteforcing a hash though

<m​cneb10:envs.net> that is also useful to society

<a​non7642:monero.social> Yea PoS isnt a great replacement

<m​cneb10:envs.net> it just reverts back to what satoshi was trying to get away from

<m​cneb10:envs.net> centralized control

<m​cneb10:envs.net> the rich get richer

<a​non7642:monero.social> Exactly just look at how many blocks coinbase mines on eth

If someone told me just three years ago that I would own crypto, I would not have believed it.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> me neither

<m​cneb10:envs.net> im just mad bc i almost bought btc in nov. 2023

<m​cneb10:envs.net> :?

I used to think of it in context of all the cryptobro-ing and scamming...

<m​cneb10:envs.net> :/

<a​non7642:monero.social> So bluey is it more secure to chat through irc or is there another reason ur through irc?

I am only here because the main financial system let me down because of circumstances I could not control... But even after the political shenanigans are over and Swift is back, I think I am sticking with Monero.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> based

<m​cneb10:envs.net> support the XMR circular economy

anon7642, I like how barebones it is and it just feels cozy because of that.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> well simplicity breeds security

<a​non7642:monero.social> Waiting on brics to crush the US economy

NO.

<a​non7642:monero.social> Makes sense

I am waiting for them to stop doing atrocities and make sorta peace.

if only more people would migrate, it would be a path of no return

(idk how safe it is to say this)

great_taste, to Monero?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> crush?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> good luck

nobody would want fake fiat coins anymore

<a​non7642:monero.social> Crushed by debt

Even if this could somehow happen... This would be narratively unsatisfying.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> i think the us is doing pretty well actually

<m​cneb10:envs.net> relatively

<m​cneb10:envs.net> everything is shit

<m​cneb10:envs.net> the U.S. economy is so incredibly diverse that it's fall probably wont happen for a long time

<m​cneb10:envs.net> but keep some XMR for if/when it does

<a​non7642:monero.social> Its off the petro dollar now so anything could happen

the US cant make a t-shirt

I just wait for this all to end. I hope to get a few years of norma life in before I end my life as mother/wife.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> amen

(whom am I kidding, I would be procrastinating and would arrive at 30 yo as an old maid)

<m​cneb10:envs.net> this war is useless

I pray for it to end and for brands to return

<a​non7642:monero.social> Gotta love the US oil wars

BlueyHealer: hello :) we could run an Ircd together :)

eh

I used to have an IRC network for learning purposes

I just thought of doing it for an IRL group

What benefits over the existing networks would it make?

it is just cool

and easy to host so why not

right

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> Ignorance is a hell of a drug

In some situation it can be a lifesaving drug though... I don't follow political news because that just brings me pain while emphacizing how powerless I am to do anything against this force of nature.

"Ignorance is bliss" is so damn true

Only ignorance gets me through, otherwise it would be parayzing pain.

I only don't ignore things that can affect me and that I can protect from.

Like following surveillance news closely. That I can at least try to protect myself and people I love from.

Same for education news.

So I guess "ignorance but not for everything"

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Not sure how to answer this. I'm professionally a pentester, I have certs, corporate experience. But in my free time I'm a dev. I pivoted to security from DevOps.

Certs I would only get if employer pays for them. Because they're all paid.

I hope to get through just on uni... And on uni that may not even be that relevant by specialty.

<m​cneb10:envs.net> what would you guys think of an xmpp XEP (extension) that allows for monero (or other cryptocurrency) payments and requests

<m​cneb10:envs.net> like the client apps could send a stanza to another user to make a payment request which can be openend by a mobile wallet

<m​cneb10:envs.net> which is then signed by the wallet and the TX proof is sent back to the requester

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<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> image.png

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> I got #1 with username "buy monero"

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> running ads on games. What are you doing for monero anon?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> lmfao

<m​cneb10:envs.net> did you see that windows xp hack stream>

<m​cneb10:envs.net> did you see that windows xp hack stream?

<m​cneb10:envs.net> someone exposed a windows xp machine to the internet and someone hacked in and put up the popup 'Hello from Kyunhost, buy $XMR'

<b​asses:matrix.org> not using adblocker is illegal

<b​asses:matrix.org> didn

<b​asses:matrix.org> just got what you mean by ads lol

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> Hahahha yeah

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> Hahahha lol

<b​asses:matrix.org> oh yeah, saw it. Very random tbh

<m​cneb10:envs.net> buy XMR

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> gotta play more games with BUY XMR username

<m​cneb10:envs.net> lmfao

<m​cneb10:envs.net> just go to bitcoin chat and set username to 'BUY XMR'

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> insta ban