<s​tarlingfarchecker:monero.social> New listing! talk to a human: xmrbazaar.com/listing/sCcr

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> After losing some of my intelligence from the recent Bitcoin conference, I decided to come back here with an extensive post that destroys Monero.

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> Everyone here must read this post to realize what Monero truly is. I even posted it on your forum as a form of respect:

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> monero.town/post/3962553/5470725

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Lol

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Direct link plz

<i​ty:itycodes.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ycodes.org/QqykKPPYtnpZodCSqXlQYYNx

<i​ty:itycodes.org> I wanna have a laugh yoo

<i​ty:itycodes.org> I wanna have a laugh too

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> As expected, you are using Tor like every other criminal. You can view my post on another Lemmy instance that doesn't block Tor:

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> lemmy.world/comment/11719513

<i​ty:itycodes.org> ROFL

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Criminal lol

<i​ty:itycodes.org> All I can say is, be gay, do crime 🏳️‍🌈

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Crime is cool

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> You can't refute any points so you resort to juvenile behavior. There is nothing wrong with being gay so stop associating it with this criminal coin that enables drugs, child abuse, ransomware, and more.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Ahah

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> Blocked.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Sad, I wanted to have more fun

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Sad, I wanted to have more fun with the troll

<i​ty:itycodes.org> > The prevalence of crime associated with the USD is not a reflection of inherent evil within the currency itself, but rather a reflection of human behavior.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> I am dying. Evil currency 🤣

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Man we should start banning people from having knives in their kitchen too as it can be used to kill

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Don't forget to ban shoelaces

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> I've already tried speaking with this community before and received dox threats. I'm not going to engage with anyone here and I'm just posting evidence against using Monero for those interested. Thank you.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> They can be used to strangle people

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Also ban bricks

<i​ty:itycodes.org> You can throw them at people

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Or while you are at it, mandatorily remove everyone's hands. So yk, they can't beat anyone to death.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> TLDR the technology is not to blame, go blame the perpetrating third party that's using it to cause harm. americanscream

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> I'll also keep my knives in my kitchen I need to cut beef with it

<i​ty:itycodes.org> What I find the funniest is the association that crime -> harm

<i​ty:itycodes.org> O' the severe harm that trans people are causing to the world, buying HRT illegally because their country bans it

<i​ty:itycodes.org> O' the severe harm that gay people cause to countries that just outright forbid their existence

<i​ty:itycodes.org> O' the severe harm that trans people are causing to the world, buying HRT illegally because their country bans it

<i​ty:itycodes.org> O' the severe harm that gay people cause to countries that just outright make their existence illegal

<i​ty:itycodes.org> So yes, as long as governments will oppress people, I will always support technologies that facilitate crime

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> If anyone wants to debate against my points properly, head over to my Discord discord.gg/sEKCFCegp7, and we can have a chat there. I'm also willing to host a podcast episode with someone here that doesn't behave like a violent criminal.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> oh... he's a buttcoiner

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Because Matrix is a platform for violent criminals, right ?

<i​ty:itycodes.org> That's why half the EU is using it for internal communication

<i​ty:itycodes.org> 🤣

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> I'm one of the main moderators of r/Buttcoin.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> don't forget that even law enforcement also use it

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> One of your community members preland was kind enough to join the Discord and we had a productive discussion without any threats or nonsense that is constantly posted here.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Just use private messages on matrix instead

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> You want to deanonymize people on discord do you

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Yea I mean that counts under internal communication imo

<i​ty:itycodes.org> But ye haha, good point

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> If you have nothing to hide, Discord shouldn't be an issue. preland who does some developer work for Monero and didn't mind joining.

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> If you have nothing to hide, Discord shouldn't be an issue. preland who does some developer work for Monero didn't mind joining.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Rofl

<i​ty:itycodes.org> If you have nothing to hide, why do you care about people sending you doxxing threads

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Personally I hate doxxing to the bone lol

<i​ty:itycodes.org> If you have nothing to hide, why do you care about people sending you doxxing threats

<i​ty:itycodes.org> And doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's Matrix E2EE)

<i​ty:itycodes.org> And preventing doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's Matrix E2EE)

<i​ty:itycodes.org> And preventing doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's Matrix E2EE and some related things like room takeover prevention)

<i​ty:itycodes.org> And preventing doxxing is the primary reason why I work on privatization technology (in my case it's primarily Matrix E2EE and some related things like room takeover prevention)

<t​hekingoftheabyss:matrix.org> A don't know

Ah Discord, the thing that tries to dox you by slightest provocation.

Sometimes by number and sometimes even by ID.

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> That shouldn't be an issue considering most Monero users buy from CEXes that requires KYC. DEXes are rarely used and I did my research on "Haveno" and the rest. None of them have any considerable volume. Another niche this criminal community likes to overhype.

Most, but this is not required.

I would never use a KYC exchange, for example, and a ton of people in the community are the same despite the mundanity of what is bought with said Monero.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Couldn't be me. Now that a DEX exists for a fiat onramp, CEXs have become obselete

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Decentralisation is the way forward anyway, gotta embrace innovation wherever we can

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> <B​lueyHealer> Please read my post on Lemmy that details why Monero will fail. I'm not a troll.

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> Idealism. No one uses DEXes because of how cumbersome they are. As detailed in my post, even if Monero was not used for criminal purposes, it uses old blockchain architecture. Transactions can't be scaled. DEXes are too complicated and require syncing. Eventually this won't be possible for normal people to do as the blockchain gets larger in size.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Just because someone's opsec doesn't include anonymity doesn't mean everyone should do the same

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> I literally used haveno dex to buy 500 EUR worth of monero the other day lol, works for me

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> Worrying about OPSEC is what criminals do. Monero will eventually not be available on any centralized exchange because it enables crime.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> We don't need centralised exchanges its fine

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> This will force normal users to try "Haveno" and these other DEXes. None of them are convenient. Again, this assumes users who are not engaging in crime exist in the first place - only few exist for niche cases that will be regulated soon. I wrote about this in my post.

Can we have a view at your bathroom webcam please?

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Yea there are efforts to be made to make haveno normie friendly, but its usable right now

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Just read up my tutorial on how to use it, its not complicated

Forcing more people onto things like Haveno is a GOOD thing - the anonymity set grows larger, the usage of this stops being suspicious

americanscream: "Again, this assumes users who are not engaging in crime exist in the first place"

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Yea we should probably make knives illegal too, people can use em for harmful purposes, too many people have those in their kitchens!

Also, what do you have to hide under those pants? Another layer of clothing? What are you even hiding there so thoroughly??

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> As written in my post, I don't deny there are a small amount of users who engage in what the Monero community likes to call their "circular economy". These use cases often are buying VPN services, domains, gift cards, or perhaps donations. All of these circumvent money laundering laws and will be regulated by the government eventually because Monero is mostly used for crime. All o<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> f these niche cases are extremely small and are simply not worth existing.

Yea, I am such a user. And I really depend on that.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ra.network/pqRrQRFFKmGmXfWXyPRKohII

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> In short, if we stop giving in to centralisation, the government won't have any say in what individuals do

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Its just a matter of changing how people view things, and with the growing privacy concerns, IMO, its just a matter of time

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> See you're on matrix already, one step out of centralisation. Take the next steps too

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> In short, if we stop giving in to centralisation, the governments won't have any say in what individuals do

I don't do activism because it is VERY damgerous, but I do my part by using only cash in daily life) And Monero online, even if it initially wasn't by choice, now it is.

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> I've only used cryptocurrency once, and that was claiming Bitcoin on some faucet over a decade ago. It's probably worth at least $50,000 now, yet I couldn't care less about it. Decentralization arguments are poor excuses to allow crime to continue.

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> Also, I find it ironic that you say this, since I addressed how centralized Monero really is on Lemmy:

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> "Monero is centralized, as development and the community-funded initiatives (known as CCS in the Monero community) are vetted by a small group of people who have complete say in what will or will not be allowed to be hard-forked. If Monero ever gets big, it will face the same problem as Bitcoin, where the community can't decide unilaterally on what they want on the network, leadin<clipped message>

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> g to technical stagnation."

<a​mericanscream:monero.social> All cryptocurrencies may have decentralized blockchains, but they all have centralized points of failure, rendering this idealism useless.

Decentralization arguments are poor excuses to allow crime to continue. <- same logic as the guys behind Chat Control, lol

Also, how can you even prevent a hard fork?

I don't think the license can do that...

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Again, blame the perpetrating third party, not the knife, I still want to cut my steaks.

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> If monero ever goes south like how bitcoin did, anyone can do a hard fork and keep the innovation going

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Besides its not a number go up coin, it's meant to be used as a currency

I don't do crime. I just want my VPS to watch Spy frag movies through)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> not to mention the definition of "crime"

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> for example, in my 3rd world country, they literally changed laws that they used to mark the opposition political parties as "criminals" and confiscated their wealth

Same.

Or talking about homosexuality can be seen as "LGBT propaganda" which can be heavily criminalized.

All the "opposition" is "3rd world countries" are CIA agents/collaborators anyway

must be purged with fire

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > the US dollar is used in criminal activities due to its status as a global reserve currency

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> bruh... in my 3rd world shithole country, they use local currency to buy drugs, hire prostitutes, pay for murders, and whatnot... it's nothing exclusive to the USD

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Yea the usd should be made illegal too on second thought, it can be used to do so much crime.....

I'd bet most crime here uses normal fiat institutions as well. Take a "drop" (some poor lad who gets tricked into doing it or just gets his identity stolen), do your business.

If we outlaw the currency, they would just use barter!

(by "drop" I meant the person the account is registered to)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > Let us assume that Monero is not built for crime and used for good intentions. Let us assume cryptocurrency is not a ponzi and Monero will actually be used worldwide. Even in this best case, Monero can’t even serve as a global currency with serious use! It uses old blockchain architecture that only allows one block every 2 minutes with limited transactions that can barely hand<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> le the transaction throughput of Visa or Paypal. Adding on, Monero is confusing for average people to use. You have to sync the blockchain worth hundreds of gigabytes, which is continuing to grow infinitely, to run your own node. In the future, normal people won’t even be able to run any node as the size of the Monero blockchain grows extremely large. It will rely on data center<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> s and centralized entities like Bitcoin making the network vulnerable to attacks. Also, unlike Bitcoin or other transparent blockchains, you have to scan the entire history of Monero that can take hours if you have unluckily stored your money in it long ago. Imagine waiting hours at the cashier register waiting for the blockchain to sync so it can register that $5 of Monero that y<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> ou stored years ago!

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> this is somewhat of a valid argument

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> monero can handle the sheer volume of tx like visa/mastercard... we achieved similar feat in testing (monero stressnet)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> the blockchain size is a solid point that at some point, it will be too big for regular people to have locally

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> my counter is, thanks to the advancement of storage technology, this will be a serious issue not anytime soon (10-50 or even 100 years) + there can be improvements made by incorporating compression + pruning

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> wallet syncing is an unavoidable result of focusing on privacy... there's been already improvements made to speed up syncing... can be improved further

I don't think it needs to be Visa/Mastercard size anyway - it's a parallel payment option.

Also doesn't seem like it's any time soon growing out of fitting onto a 1TB drive, which are cheap.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> While decentralisation is Great in its essence by being invulnerable to imposed forces, it won't alone save the Individual from its centralised authorities. If your gouvernement decides that you won't be able to reach the decentralized cloud, you're pretty much fucked. Gouvernements still are stronger than decentralised networks because they have armed forces and existence outside<clipped message>

<a​mmortel:monero.social> of the digital web

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> what do you regard as "medium of exchange"?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in ancient times, people used stones, snail shells, pieces of metal, etc. as "medium of exchange"

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> for a "medium of exchange" to be used as a currency, it has to hold its value in the short-mid term (long-term is optional)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> monero holds its value short-mid term quite easily

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> since the btc boom, most people treat crypto as a speculative asset, not currency

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> monero, being a crypto, also suffers from this

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > when they eventually fall, Monero will follow

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> partially true that when the wider crypto market falls, monero's price will nosedive

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact<clipped message>

What calms me down is that even China couldn't lock their internet down - and our censorship organs are a lot less organized and competent.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> what do you regard as "medium of exchange"?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in ancient times, people used stones, snail shells, pieces of metal, etc. as "medium of exchange"

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> for a "medium of exchange" to be used as a currency, it has to hold its value in the short-mid term (long-term is optional)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> monero holds its value short-mid term quite easily

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> since the btc boom, most people treat crypto as a speculative asset, not currency

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> what do you regard as "medium of exchange"?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > Monero is supposed to be a cryptocurrency. As they say in the community, “Monero means money”. However, Monero does not even satisfy the criteria of money. Money is defined with the following properties: medium of exchange (widely accepted), unit of account (measure of trade for goods and services), and store of value (self-explanatory). Monero fails to be a medium of exchan<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> ge that is widely accepted, except for crime and extremely niche cases that will eventually be regulated to oblivion. Neither is Monero a store of value. As proved by past price history, its extreme volatility and reliance on the price movements of BTC/fraudulent cryptocurrencies means that when they eventually fall, Monero will follow. No one on this planet would save or transact<clipped message>

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in a currency with extreme volatility that could mean losing half the fiat value of your money over night.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> what do you regard as "medium of exchange"?

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in ancient times, people used stones, snail shells, pieces of metal, etc. as "medium of exchange"

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> for a "medium of exchange" to be used as a currency, it has to hold its value in the short-mid term (long-term is optional)

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> monero holds its value short-mid term quite easily

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> since the btc boom, most people treat crypto as a speculative asset, not currency

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> monero, being a crypto, also suffers from this

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> > when they eventually fall, Monero will follow

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > China couldn't lock their internet down

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueHealer, mind giving me your definition of locking down because chinese are indeed unable to access the outer world and passing through the GFW is now more difficult than it ever has been. There is always the V2Ray framework for pluggable encrypted proxy protocol but its hard to setup and you must know the nodes in advance. Shadowsocks is long dead now

Yea, there are methods working even there.

I am thinking about setting up XRay (which does have this protocol along with some others).

And China is an extreme. Here basic Wireguard works, and a lot of normies evade blocks.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Evasion is a thing, confidentiality is another

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Wireguard is fingerprintable fwiw

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> s/confidentiality/privacy

<3​21bob321:monero.social> github.com/shadowsocks/shadowsocks-rust/releases/tag/v1.20.3

<3​21bob321:monero.social> got updated 2 weeks ago

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> my bad. I'm using shadowsocks, what I meant by dead is that it is detected by GFW

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> pretty quickly

Yea, Wireguard is - I know.

It does fail on cellular connection even.

I wonder if Cloak works with Wireguard - I know it works with OpenVPN but idk about this one. Still, want to try this before XRay, hoping for a better speed.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Never heard of it

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> looks interesting

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Weird how a lot of networking tool are written in Go these days

<n​ihilist:m.datura.network> Censorship evasion is a real effort for Chinese users, the gfw is no joke

<3​21bob321:monero.social> net4people/bbs #22

Cloak is an obfuscation tool for something existing.

From what I can see, the point now for the major tools is to make it look like normal https traffic.

Also, maybe someone here has experience setting up XRay?

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Brought to you by Ylva Yohansson

<i​ty:itycodes.org> While we are at it ban currency period, it makes crime too convenient, let's go back to exchanging items

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> While we are at it ban humans period. it makes crime too convenient, let's go back to monkeys

nooo, what if someone can order drugs in exchange for his bags of flour?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ban flour

<3​21bob321:monero.social> its messy

<i​ty:itycodes.org> While we are at it just ban life. No life, no crime :)

<b​asses:matrix.org> better Go fast

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Go is a strange language

I actually like Go for web backend development.

But for general software or games, I prefer C.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> You write games in C? *Why"

<i​ty:itycodes.org> You write games in C? *Why*

The game I play is written in C++, lol.

Because C++ is annoying, even if it means I have fewer choice in avaiable libraries.

All games for Nintendo 64, Gameboy Advance, and Nintendo DS are written in C, and that's the graphics style I'm aiming for, so it fits when it comes to keeping stuff as authentic as possible..

Famicom, Super Famicom, and Gameboy are all Assembly. Gamecube and newer for consoles, and Nintendo 3DS and newer for handhelds are all or mostly C++.

Not really sure for the Sony, Microsoft, and SEGA consoles and handhelds, but it's safe to assume that all the NEC consoles are pretty much all Assembly.

"But Wii, Wii U, New 3DS, and Switch have Unity!" Yes, but C# is just used as a scripting language. Unity will just compile it all back into C++ before spitting out a binary.

<c​struct:matrix.org> Love writing games in C

<c​struct:matrix.org> allegro5

<c​struct:matrix.org> I thought N64 was written in ASM?

<i​ty:itycodes.org> You can just write C++ as C with some optional nicities

No, N64 games are in C.

Yes, you can write C++ as C, but you'll still have 1 fundamental problem: compile times.

Unless you refrain from using any features newer than C++99 that is.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> It's not that bad if you have incremental builds and a fast PC

<i​ty:itycodes.org> As a primarily C programmer my C++ looks like C with classes and vectors lol

I tried to make a game in C++17 before, and compile times are a disaster. I lowered to C++11 and rewrote certain C++17 features from scratch, compile times went faster, then I thought fuck it, I can do all of that in just C99, and got compile times down by a massive amount.

Even though it did mean I had to find an alternative math library, since GLM is C++ only.

<c​struct:matrix.org> Same. I had a difference in speed when i switched my state machine in C++ from using virtual functions to function pointers (i don't understand why)

<0​xfffc:monero.social> C24 is very clean language.

<0​xfffc:monero.social> Who knew. At the end C will be the one replacing C++

Because C is like Go in that barely anything changes. C++ is more like Rust in that each new version is a dramatic change.

Plus C++ has the policy of never removing anything to maintain backwards compatibility, so the newer the version of C++ you use, the more bloated it'll be.

Same if you compare Windows to OpenBSD. Microsoft never removes old code to maintain backwards compatibility, whereas the OpenBSD developers always remove old code to keep the codebase clean and secure.

So with every new Windows version, the file size and system requirements go up, but with every new OpenBSD version, the file size and system requirements go down.

Linux does remove code occasionally, but only if it doesn't break userland, because the Linux kernel has the "never break userland" policy, and because of that they actively maintain known bugs and exploits. Literally.

So if you want to know why GNU/Linux is the only Unix-like OS that got rid of the `ifconfig` utility, this is why.

Via: blog.farhan.codes/2018/06/25/linux-…son-ifconfig-on-linux-is-deprecated

<p​reland:monero.social> I remember semi-recently seeing torvalds get pissed over a patch that would remove an integer underflow because of this very reason

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh I do like the userland policy, as it ensures that code from yesteryear stays working forever

After having used OpenBSD for so long, I actually came to prefer a clean codebase. Yes, it does break stuff, like how every Go program that relied on syscalls broke with the release of OpenBSD 7.5, but it is done in name of security, which in the long term does pay off.

After all, OpenBSD was among the only systems that was unaffected by the recent major OpenSSH exploit. Not really relevant to Go programs using syscalls, but it does show that sometimes it's better to have breaking changes than a broken system.

<m​eatmonster:monero.social> but it also results in openbsd having way less compatibility with different hardware and software than linux does, which is why it's not nearly as popular

Yeah, that's true. Especially when it comes to Nvidia.

In comparison, OpenBSD does still work on more hardware than FreeBSD, but still less than Linux.

<m​eatmonster:monero.social> how is the graphical desktop experience on openbsd? i've only used it on headless devices

But the reason for that is that half of the FreeBSD developers are just macOS users, and they run their own OS under a virtual machine, whereas OpenBSD developers actually dogfood their own OS all the time, and actually prioritize whichever hardware they themselves are using.

Yes.

Graphical desktop on OpenBSD just works. Don't expect any Wayland stuff on it, but it's pretty solid with both WMs and DEs.

OpenBSD even comes with 3 WMs out of the box: TWM, CWM, and FVWM. CWM is the best out of the 3. DWM can easily be compiled too, since lots of DWM users also use OpenBSD.

And one of the core devs even managed to port KDE Plasma to OpenBSD, despite its very heavy reliance on Wayland.

Also, if you use Nvidia, you're pretty much guaranteed to not be able to run anything graphical. My ThinkPad P50 has both Intel and Nvidia, and I have to run it with an Intel GPU, meaning I can't connect it to HDMI, VGA, and Mini DisplayPort, since those all are hardwired to the Nvidia GPU.

What hardware components are usually problematic? Wi-fi?

When it comes to WiFi, only Realtec ones are problematic. No problems at all with Intel WiFi chips though.

I would guess printers

It's always printers

But if you use Bluetooth, you can forget about that.

Bluetooth has so many security problems, the OpenBSD developers refuse to provide Bluetooth outright.

Ah. And out of more important things?

All of the most fundamental things just work on all my laptops. In general, if you have a ThinkPad, you're more or less guaranteed to have no problems.

Except with proprietary hardware like Nvidia of course.

As for printers, I simply put files I want to print out on a USB, and use the printer at a nearby convenience store, so that's something I never even tried.

Not everyone has this line of laptops, so was asking about that.

I probably won't run it myself, just curious.

Well, pretty much every laptop I have is either a ThinkPad, or a PowerBook, or that 1 MacBook Pro I have lying around for no reason.

Ah, okay. I was wondering about whether generic Asus/Dell/Lenovo would be expected to have problems.

Can't tell for laptops I don't have.

But sometimes I get ThinkPads with a Realtec WiFi card, so I have to explicitely order an Intel WiFi card, open up the laptop, and replace it in order to get WiFi.

Ah right, the SIM card tray doesn't work.

So no 4G or 5G.

Laptops have simcard trays?

Most P-series and some T-series ThinkPads have one, yes.

TIL

Instead, you use `dmesg | grep "USB"` and/or `disklabel sd(drive number)` to figure it out.

Although mounting a partition is kind of the same, but instead of /dev/sdb0, you'll use /dev/sd1a for example.

I just don't bother and mount through the graphical file manager lol, even though could learn the commands.

Connecting to WiFi is very simple though: `doas ifconfig iwm0 join (SSID) wpakey (password)`.

And to scan for WiFi networks: `ifconfig iwm0 scan`

Also you mentioned Intel - I wonder how OpenBSD plays with AMD's integrated graphics...

That `iwm0` will be different if you use a different WiFi card though.

I guess the commands are just a matter of getting used to.

Not sure about integrated graphics, but had no problems with my dedicated Radeon card in my gaming PC.

I do have random problems with that Radeon card on FreeBSD though, but Linux and OpenBSD have no problems.

Ah.

Then probably integrated should be fine.

In the end, I'm just a simple girl, so I use a WM, not a DE. So I mount drives and partitions in the terminal.

Fair.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> is remiliascarlet shilling about Go garbage collected language ? Weird how the GC don't work, it hasn't picked up the whole language yet

<p​reland:monero.social> Also welcome americanscream to here lol

<p​reland:monero.social> Their concern is likely one of two things:

<p​reland:monero.social> 1. Discord has a…..reputation when it comes to the handling of user data

<p​reland:monero.social> 2. (The above isn’t as big a concern as this one is) There have been, still are, and likely always will be, a plethora of ways to accidentally doxx yourself on discord. While this concern does technically apply here, there is wayyyyy more work done by script kitties on Discord than on Matrix/others

<p​reland:monero.social> I already use discord (a lot less than I did a few years ago though) plus I have a much lower opsec threshold than most, so I’m okay with using it

<p​reland:monero.social> Thank you for the thoughts

<p​reland:monero.social> The concerns you listed *are* mentioned though, albeit not as often as they probably should be

<p​reland:monero.social> And I 100% agree with the “privacy first” mindset being bad. As I see it, it should be a currency first and foremost. If we put privacy before currency, then we fail at both.

<p​reland:monero.social> Some of those here may wonder, Why? It’s simple. Privacy is a weakest-link game. Your privacy is equivalent to the most transparent thing that you have done. If Monero is only useful for privacy, then people will swap between it and traditional fiat, only using Monero for private (and let’s face it: illicit) purposes. This decreases the utility of Monero drastically, as it is <clipped message>

<p​reland:monero.social> no longer valued by the goods you can buy with it, but by the availability of off and on ramps. It also makes it more palatable to ban outright by governments (they already don’t want to lose their control over currency; don’t give them any more reasons)

<p​reland:monero.social> Also one more thing while on the discord topic:

<p​reland:monero.social> After that day of discussion, you gave me a role called “Ponzi schemers”, to delineate my apparent support of cryptocurrencies, specifically the “number go up ones”.

<p​reland:monero.social> I don’t think I need to address that label.

<p​reland:monero.social> This role locks me out of all but a few channels (even main!), which is not exactly a good look for genuine and meaningful conversation about the ethicality, realism, and overall usefulness of cryptocurrency.

<p​reland:monero.social> I *can’t even view my own conversations*

My issues with Discord are a) the data collection; b) the official client is pretty much the webapp, they both suck and are bloated and c) you can have your account banned or held hostage until you provide phone number.

Also, I use Monero for my digital goods because it has low fees, and privacy comes as a bonus.

<p​reland:monero.social> The most pertinent concern you bring up is the inscalability of the blockchain. **This should be a top concern for Monero, and it is very concerning that it is seldom, if ever, discussed directly**. There are upgrades made to the blockchain that have made it absurdly lean compared to others (*especially* considering the extra steps for privacy), but that doesn’t change the “Bi<clipped message>

<p​reland:monero.social> g O” notation inherent to blockchains.

<p​reland:monero.social> Blockchain is good for consensus, but we will need to move past it in order to scale up the network. If a transaction Indiana has to be almost perfectly synced up with a node in Nepal, there will be issues.

I really hope a non-blockchain "digital cash" gets invented, but for now it is the closest we got.

I am not attached to Monero specifically, but to whatever currency fills the niche of "uncontrollable internet money you can use privately/anonymously".

<s​trawberry:monero.social> It's not so much a concern about their practices, just that Discord makes it almost impossible to register if you're not using Chrome on Windows

<s​trawberry:monero.social> The phone verification screen they show is fake, all it does is blacklist the number for anyone using it in future

what about Firefox?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Firefox user agent is shadow banned

what about Firefox with Chrome's user agent?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> No idea, I gave up trying to make an account ages ago

strawberry, I haven't had to register there recently, do didn't even know that!

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Maybe I was doing something wrong and you'll have more luck

<s​trawberry:monero.social> (something wrong = vpn detected? fingerprinting? though my friend has same problems with residential IP)

I probably would not be doing this now. I think I haven't even deleted my old account yet.

<p​reland:monero.social> I am not attached to it either, but it is the best we have, and I think that it has a much better chance of being able to change than others

<s​trawberry:monero.social> preland, was that guy really a buttcoin moderator?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I feel like he's trolling

<p​reland:monero.social> The thing is that we can’t kick the can on this issue

<p​reland:monero.social> Once it becomes an actual issue affecting the blockchain, it is too late to fix

<p​reland:monero.social> I am 80% positive it was

<p​reland:monero.social> I can go and confirm

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> yep

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/about/moderators

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/lTpoHftiGfzidLcukOlXmcRm

<p​reland:monero.social> The username checks out, but it could’ve been an imposter so I’m double checking in the discord

<p​reland:monero.social> Id be shocked if it wasn’t him though

<s​trawberry:monero.social> wow

<s​trawberry:monero.social> he does have a point about cryptocurrencies always having some central point of failure, at very least where the source code is hosted

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> I'd prefer if the git repo was mirrored to getmonero.org or something similar

<s​trawberry:monero.social> but the point is always to make an attack harder, it will never be impossible

<p​reland:monero.social> It should at least be mirrored somewhere like that

<p​reland:monero.social> And yeah the point of failure is a valid concern

<p​reland:monero.social> Also the person may or may not be an imposter lol

<s​trawberry:monero.social> any reason to suspect that?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Anyone have a tor capable link

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> On what issue

<p​reland:monero.social> Blockchain inscalability

<s​trawberry:monero.social> once it becomes an actual issue affecting the blockchain -> once chain starts growing faster than storage is getting cheaper, then we have a problem

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> propaganda

<p​reland:monero.social> Don’t forget bandwidth

<p​reland:monero.social> Each new node added to the network increases the bandwidth strain of the network

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> it's an issue in the next 50-100 years where the blockchain size grows so big that running a local node (even pruned) becomes very costly or worse, practically impossible

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> (based on the storage devices available today)

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> nope

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> false

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I think we can be a lot more efficient but I also think that our storage, comp, and bandwidth demands will decelerate for crypto eventually as long as the population growth is not accelerating

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Meanwhile the growth of our storage, comp, bandwidth hardware capabilities will likely still continue to accelerate

<p​reland:monero.social> As in the users of Monero won’t grow?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> No I mean eventually it will asymptote

<p​reland:monero.social> Let’s say that Monero someday has the user base of, say MasterCard

<p​reland:monero.social> Can the current blockchain support that?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> What about it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> True

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> almost yes

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> in the stressnet, we reached 4-5k tx per block, so it's doable

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> but the software itself behaves erratically at that scale + block propagation may be hindered

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> that's the current topic of investigation

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> *

<p​reland:monero.social> Mastercard can currently do around 5k per second

<p​reland:monero.social> Visa is 24k

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4k tx/2min is 1/40th of mastercard

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero currently can _not_ scale to current spending habits of just usa

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bitcoin cant even handle 1 major city

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh I wasn’t expecting such a difference between Visa and MasterCard lol

<p​reland:monero.social> And this is my concern—because once Monero reaches Bitcoin levels of usage, it’s basically too late to address the issue without doing a lot of work

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> welp... mb then

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> so, currently, monero can scale up to 1/40th of mastercard but it chokes hard cuz of software issues + block propagation is somewhat of a concern

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The major problem is still bandwidth and storage

I hope that once "digital cash" is as big as Mastercard, we invent something non-blockchain as XMR's successor, but idk whethet this is too optimistic.

<p​reland:monero.social> An endgame goal (ie there is no argument about scalability) would be to match the usage of the USD

<p​reland:monero.social> If you want a price reference for what that would look like, it would value 1 XMR to around 1.1m current USD.

<p​reland:monero.social> Scale things to their absolute limit and you see big issues

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Iirc we’d need to have the average node be able to store about a PB for a blockchain operating at visa tx rate. And that’ll hold us out for a couple decades. One more order of magnitude from there and that buys a couple centuries.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> More nodes = higher bandwidth requirements

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If the network was only 3 nodes, its much easier to run an 100mb blocks than if the network is 20000 nodes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Run at* 100mb

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I think folding constant space blockchains are the way forward but I’ve talked about this before here.

<n​eromonero1024:monero.social> what's folding constant space blockchain?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Look at Mina protocol as an example. But basically it’s a blockchain that doesn’t store the transactions themselves, instead it just updates using the same amount of space to store a proof of the transactions

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> plowsof matrix sir.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> You can either make the whole blockchain like this fitting it into KBs or you can just use it to prune a larger blockchain that stores the transactions that aren’t pruned but keeps a constant space proof of the pruned transactions to maintain a constant space total blockchain

<s​trawberry:monero.social> depends on the number of peers

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yea

But yea, curious to see what XMR does with the storage in perspective.

<s​trawberry:monero.social> more nodes != higher bandwidth requirements if everyone has exactly 16 peers always

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Less peers = latency for block and tx propagation

<s​trawberry:monero.social> what does increase with more nodes is the distance between nodes

Monero blockchain is still smaller than the latest Call of Duty release, so we're good

<s​trawberry:monero.social> which will cause more orphan blocks and we might need to increase block time

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Everyone is multiple degrees of separation and time to download and upload to 16 peers is higg

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> This is why "large nodes" are centralizing factors

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Some big entities can maintain 1000+ connections and handle the bandwidth

<s​trawberry:monero.social> does it matter? if everyone has at least 4 peers then at least one probably isn't one of these large nodes

Default is 12 outgoing connections

<s​trawberry:monero.social> so the chance of being connected to only malicious nodes is very small

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the large node will handle the majority of network traffic. Whether this is a good or bad thing? Idk

<s​trawberry:monero.social> if big nodes can defeat things like dandelion, maybe that becomes a problem

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Defeating dandelion isnt so impossible

<a​mmortel:monero.social> How can I know what the correct amount of peers should be for my node please ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dandelion will only stem to nodes that have incoming connections open

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I imagine it becomes easier if you're connected to 1000+ nodes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Incoming is unlimited by default

<s​trawberry:monero.social> there's no correct amount, but 12 outgoing is the default according to sech

<a​mmortel:monero.social> I See 13 out and 129 in

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> correct amount is up to you. If youre mining, you want a lot

<a​mmortel:monero.social> I might have changed the default

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> LGTM

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Note > dandelion will _only_ stem to outgoing connections

<s​trawberry:monero.social> why's that?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> so those 129 incoming connections wont be used for your dandelion relay

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because its in the dandelion paper. Wasnt a monero choice

<s​trawberry:monero.social> well sure but isn't it better to use all of them? incoming vs outgoing is just implementation details

<a​mmortel:monero.social> Dandelion is the Thing I use to send a transaction? Im not sure

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dandelion is what hides your ip during tx relay (so other nodes dont know who sent thr tx first)

<r​ucknium:monero.social> strawberry: Dandelion++'s graph theory doesn't work if the txs can be stem-relayed to both incoming and outgoing connections. It has to choose one or the other. Since nodes choose their outgoing connections, but not incoming connections, the D++ designers thought it was better to have the relay go to outgoing connections. There is a more recent proposal, Clover, that relays to bot<clipped message>

<r​ucknium:monero.social> h incoming and outgoing connections, but the analysis isn't as deep, i.e. fewer threat models analyzed, fewer theoretical results proven, etc.

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Maybe Monero could use Clover instead of or in addition to D++, but it's too early to say.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> not using incoming dor dandelion allows me to know if a node was the originator of the tx

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I see, maybe I should've read the paper before making assumptions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If i receive the tx in stem from a node who does not have incoming connections, i know that node was the creator of the tx

<r​ucknium:monero.social> The D++ paper is dense IMHO

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The exception being if the node also had anonymous-inbound enabled, which is rare

<r​ucknium:monero.social> D++ paper is here: moneroresearch.info/index.php?actio…n=resource_RESOURCEVIEW_CORE&id=122

<r​ucknium:monero.social> See "Attachments"

<s​trawberry:monero.social> so by using anonymous-inbound I could be falsely accused of creating transactions I didn't because a tor user sent them to my node?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Assuming you had clearnet incoming connections blocked, yes

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I would guess that's a fairly common configuration, people who don't want to open ports can use tor for incoming instead

<s​trawberry:monero.social> at least a common config among people who have no incoming

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Or people behind nat

<p​reland:monero.social> Part of the issue (at least how I see it) is that with something like MasterCard, the 5k transactions per second can be load-balanced across multiple servers. A blockchain has no luxury afaik

<p​reland:monero.social> If a transaction is sent to one, it is sent to all

<p​reland:monero.social> If 5k transactions per second have to be sent to one, it has to be sent to all

<s​trawberry:monero.social> that's why payment channels are useful

<p​reland:monero.social> In other news….

<p​reland:monero.social> Yo americanscream

<p​reland:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/ntOembKiePzowmzyyjjdzSau

<p​reland:monero.social> Any reason you lying abt who you are?

<p​reland:monero.social> plowsof (and also monerobull because of monero.town)

<p​reland:monero.social> Not sure if that guy was trying to start a flame war or smth

<p​reland:monero.social> Someone should point out that the post on monero.town was not actually by AmericanScream

<3​21bob321:monero.social> How do you know that monero.town is the real one

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> this again? Deja vu

<p​reland:monero.social> It isn’t the real one

<p​reland:monero.social> The *actual* discord person says that they haven’t ever talked with the Monero community

<p​reland:monero.social> The monero town post passes zerogpt perfectly, so it least the post wasn’t ai generated

<s​trawberry:monero.social> why would it be AI generated?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> my finger has not been on the pulse for this americanscream thing? a buttcoin admin who trolls crypto people?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> or is this specific to a users activity on monero.town?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> When i was banned, i was sent screenshots of similar convos with remelia and americanscream

<3​21bob321:monero.social> But where in the matrix, they could be agent smith

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> it is impossible to navigate to the "monero" room on matrix

What do you mean?

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> if the real americanscream wants to setup a #buttcoin room on monero social and/or prove an account was impersonating him, please reach out, thank you

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> in element web at least, it struggles to show you 'monero' when you are in many "monero...." rooms and you have to find it in the sea

<u​nderop:monero.social> it's not the real americanscream. check his official mastodon where he confirms this mastodon.social/@AmericanScream

<u​nderop:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/USxxXriGsSEGsIeZVJJbWIvy

<u​nderop:monero.social> it's not the real americanscream. check his official mastodon where he confirms this mastodon.social/@AmericanScream/112919238492629024

<u​nderop:monero.social> i also thot it was ai generated because of the effort put into it. it's a long post with details of monero. either someone who has been in it long can only come up with or maybe ai. but i also checked with zero and it's not ai

<u​nderop:monero.social> can anyone answer this about outputs. why does monero use 2 outputs when 1 output is enough to cover 1 spend?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> To avoid dust

<u​nderop:monero.social> is this because its not possible to send the max balance of a wallet in 1 output?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can send the max balance in 1 output

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Its like this. If you have 10x10$ bills, and 2x5$ bills and need to spend $8

<u​nderop:monero.social> ooooooh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Instead of using a $10, it uses 2x5$

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if it used a $10 bill, then youd have 5+5+2 + 9x10$

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Repeat and yous havd 5+5+2+2

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Eventually youll have a lot of small outputs. When you run out of $10s, youll have 5+5+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2+2

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Then when you spend 8$ again, toull have 2x11 left

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The next time you spend, youll use 4 of those $2 together, and ruin your privacy

<u​nderop:monero.social> where can i read more about this?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably cant

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not sure its documented anywhere

<u​nderop:monero.social> one thing i'm confused about is how does spending the 4 2 ruin privacy? does it have to do with ringct?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "Ruining your privacy" part is just how consolidation work. If the entity that you spent $8 to repeatedly is watching the blockchain to try to keep track of repeat customers, they can see that multiple inputs that they sent to random change addresses were all spent back to them in a single transaction

<u​nderop:monero.social> for consolidation so spending 4 2 means 4 of the 16 inputs would be yours?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The higher quantity of known inputs (inputs sent to you by a bad actor / spy) that you spend together, the lower the probability that it was randkm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 4/64 (there would be 4 inputs and 16 ring members for each input)

<u​nderop:monero.social> oooh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But 1/16 of each of those was sent by, let say, swapperA. SwapperA can watch the chain.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lets assume when you had 11x2$ you soend them ALL back to SwapperA in exchange for some litecoin

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> SwapperA (who works with feds) can monitor the monero blockchain and see a tx with 11 inputs, and 1/16 of each of those inputs is a decoy that they created

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Lets assume these outputs were created 2 years timeframe and all using a new subaddress each time.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> they will know that, the seemingly randon transactions over 2 years were all 1 person

<u​nderop:monero.social> how would 1 of the inputs be from swapperA? aren't decoys randomly generated?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Because having 11 different rings in 1 transaction where 1/16 of the decoys ib each ring is a match, is statistically near impossible

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you work for irs, please send 800k (inflation) to my donation address

Hi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I use coin control, so dusting me wont help, ty

I like to poop.

<u​nderop:monero.social> so this example is impossible?

?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

Pooping is possible.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It means its near 100% possible to know who did those 11 transactions over the last 2 years

<u​nderop:monero.social> hahahahah that sounds like a lot of effort for nuthin. easier to track off and on ramps no?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (if the person fks up and consolidated them in a transaction that sounds back to a spy compliant agency)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Easier to be an on and offramp and share info with a central entity who runs a scanner

<u​nderop:monero.social> would fcmp++ fix this?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> basically, dont swap into traceable coins, and consolidate your dust manually (dont spend it to a centralized entity)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes

<u​nderop:monero.social> is it possible to check dust like if i have 11 x 2 change in my wallet?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> only when you spend it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Which is why monero wallet default tries to use up an entire output before splitting another

<u​nderop:monero.social> what about churning? does that fix this?

<u​nderop:monero.social> what about churning? does that prevent this?