<o​frnxmr:monero.social> sort of.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> "when done right"

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you churned every output individually 1 time, then consolidated them ans spent back to the entity that sent you them (or an entity that shares an aml service provider), theyd know that every output from your new consolidation is only 1 degree of separation from the not-churned outputs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But id you consolidated those outputs and then churned the post consideration, it would he harder to prove that your new output was related

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> tldr: rings suck

<u​nderop:monero.social> we need fcmp++ more than ever. shame it might take a couple years until we get it

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> theyre great in a world where you only spend p2p and in a circular economy

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But where the funds are usually 1 hop away from a central entity, rings are rough

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Delistings are great.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Swappers with their own reserves are great

<u​nderop:monero.social> for dexs i agree but serai will have a public blockchain showing amounts and addresses transacting. could this impact rings?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> My Monero.com wallet takes ages to sync, or never reaches sync afterall...

<w​rought959:matrix.org> I just found this:

<w​rought959:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/RgmzhpHJZRzOUsxDrPknAPIo

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Serai is made by the same guy doing fcmp

<w​rought959:matrix.org> Can anyone point me to which nodes I could add?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> whats the problem?

<u​nderop:monero.social> monero.fail

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> How many blocks remaining?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> 230k atm

<w​rought959:matrix.org> because I did a rescann

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Do you have a local node?

<u​nderop:monero.social> i know but it doesn't change the fact that amounts and addresses will be public. i was wondering if this create another attack vector

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Dont be crazy

<w​rought959:matrix.org> I dont think I can on my 100gb phone? 😅

<w​rought959:matrix.org> is this troll?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Serai will wrap the monero in their protocol and show proof of reserves. Without fcmp it hurts privacy

<u​nderop:monero.social> no it's a legit site that tracks nodes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<w​rought959:matrix.org> ahh

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But using random nodes that you find online is terrible advice

<w​rought959:matrix.org> so whats the procedure here?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Only use nodes that

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> a) you trust b) you know who operates them

<w​rought959:matrix.org> apparently the preinstalled nodes in monero.com wallet are shit?

<u​nderop:monero.social> why?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> I knew none of those when starting to use the wallet, they were preconfigured

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> because malicious nodes can spy on you, feed your wallet bad info, cost you money

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> The preconfigured nodes should all be "community" trusted

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> But because they are public, they are likely also under attack and slow as a result

<u​nderop:monero.social> the information they can spy on is limited though

<w​rought959:matrix.org> can nodes not be trustless?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You wallet relies on the node to feed it good info. Nodes can send bad info though. can jack up your fees, can refuse to relay your transactions

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> the only way for the wallet to know the info is bad, is to crosscheck with a good nodd

<u​nderop:monero.social> but you can confirm if the fees are jacked up or not and if info is bad

<w​rought959:matrix.org> but I mitigate this problem, by using multiple nodes?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> that way no one node can lie to my wallet?

<u​nderop:monero.social> you can only connect to one node at a time iirc

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> no, you mitigate by only using nodes that are run by people you trust

<w​rought959:matrix.org> anyway, I want to hotfix this, which nodes are trusted / safe to add, and is that even the solution to my problem?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/iGOcGOgaocssdHfaFqTaiMXi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 200k blocks will take maybe 30mins to sync

<u​nderop:monero.social> is bitcoin vulnerable to this?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> bitcoin uses spv

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Not even real node connections

<w​rought959:matrix.org> Oh and also, I can't switch apps while syncing else it will cancel

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> if you use a full node on bitcoin, youre likely running it yourself

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, bug

<w​rought959:matrix.org> that way I basically disable my phone for x hours waiting for sync

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Need to leave the screen on and in the foreground

<w​rought959:matrix.org> then it cancels either way and I restart

<w​rought959:matrix.org> bruh, this is such shit UX

<u​nderop:monero.social> ohhh and this is not possible on monero because of privacy. it has to confirm everything?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Monero.stackwallet.com might be a better node

<w​rought959:matrix.org> but arent I connected to 6 nodes at a time?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Port 18081

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No

<w​rought959:matrix.org> I literally last used monero weeks ago, because I couldn:t get it to sync since then...

<w​rought959:matrix.org> couldn't top up my vpn and was without internet for a few days

<u​nderop:monero.social> it really is but will improve over time. you sacrifice convenience for privacy

<w​rought959:matrix.org> i then installed another wallet (moneroju), where it also took ages, but finally after a long time it connected and I could reactivate my vpn

<w​rought959:matrix.org> how would it decrease my privacy if the sync would just happen in the background, while I browse other apps?

<u​nderop:monero.social> i was talking about the monero blockchain. cake wallet is a third party app and that's on them

<w​rought959:matrix.org> my emails get checked every 15 min, so I always have them. why can't monero always stay updsted in the bavkground, so that when I want to pay sth with it I dint have to wait for 3 hours / frustratedly stop trying and let it rest for weeks?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> sorry for the rant... I don't get why it csn't just work ™

<w​rought959:matrix.org> Is there a better wallet then?

<u​nderop:monero.social> i use ios so stack wallet has been good

<u​nderop:monero.social> i think it's on android

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Im not sure why cake is struggling to sync so much

<w​rought959:matrix.org> does it tick the boxes? non-custodial, foss, etc?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cake and stack both use the same libs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stack wallet seems more stable atm

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yes stack is noncustodial, foss etc

<w​rought959:matrix.org> I use monero.com, would switching to the normal cake wallet chsnge anything? would reinstalling tbe wallet change sth?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> 😅❤️

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No, cake and monero.com = identical but one is monero-only

<u​nderop:monero.social> yes github.com/cypherstack/stack_wallet

<w​rought959:matrix.org> it looks so pretty tho

<w​rought959:matrix.org> shame I have to replace it :(

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Try stack wallet.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> id recommend mysu, but the websites are down

<u​nderop:monero.social> maybe the fake americanscream was right loool ux needs to improve before monero ever takes off

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> You can always start usibf monero.com again after they fix some of these issues

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> New update coming soon (monero.com) that should improve monero sync

<u​nderop:monero.social> how would fcmp++ improve syncing ux?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Cake and stack both went thru a major upgrade recently

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> cakes implementation seems a little bit broken though

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Stack used to have very poor syncing, stacks is much improved now

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> mysu's sync has been stellar for me, but again, cant recommend it because the git and apk sources are down

<u​nderop:monero.social> wait fcmp++ allows payment channels to be possible...

<u​nderop:monero.social> holy shit this is massive

<j​ack_ma_blabla:matrix.org> whats broken ?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Sync problems, onion nodes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> wrought959: go to settings > other settings

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> At the bottom it shows the version

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Are you running 1.16.2? Released yesterday

<u​nderop:monero.social> is erc still around?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> lurking

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nvm. Feels even more broken

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Nvm x2, its working. Just had to restart the wallet 2 time after update

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Erc-20?

<u​nderop:monero.social> erciccione

<w​rought959:matrix.org> 1.16.3 even

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Neg, rage quit

<i​gachikuku:matrix.org> gachikuku: test

syntheticbird:monero.social: I'm not shilling for anything. I know from experience that for web backends, Go is a great language. Even if it's some Google project (even though Google themselves are barely in control over it). I used PHP before that, and the only other web-first languages I can think of are Javascript (please stay at least 1000km away from it!), and Perl (which I couldn't wrap my

head around).

BlueyHealer: "you can have your account banned or held hostage until you provide phone number." The only error you're making here is with "your account". If the account is subject to a service over which you can't control, then it's not yours.

Also, useragents are really tricky. It's a choice between being anonymous by appearing the same, but help with a certain monopoly, or help break a monopoly, but stand out like a sore thumb.

I don't like how Firefox and Chromium + all their ripoffs on the BSD OS's all decided to use GNU/Linux as their user agent since a few years ago, because all that does is make the BSD's disappear from the marketshare statistics, but at the same time it also works around bogus warnings and/or errors on pages that claim you're running an "unsupported OS" or "outdated OS", even if the website

otherwise works just fine.

<i​ty:itycodes.org> I hate that useragent string

<i​ty:itycodes.org> I kinda wanna change it to like Doorhandle/Linux just for fun

<i​ty:itycodes.org> But yes, I agree with you, poor BSDs need some love

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Using FreeBSD now feels like what using Linux was like 10 years ago except in Windows' place we now have Linux as the overbearing monolith

<i​ty:itycodes.org> Elm, Koka, PureScript, Elixir

<i​ty:itycodes.org> More I am forgetting

True. FreeBSD keeps chasing after what Linux does, much like how Linux keeps chasing after what Windows does. Most recently, now that Linux comes with a Rust compiler, FreeBSD now too feels the need to come with a Rust compiler.

Meanwhile, OpenBSD continues to remain its own thing, and keeps saying "HELL NO" to all the trends.

And from reading the mailing lists, their developers seem to be very against the use of AI, so don't expect them to chase the AI unicorn anytime soon.

NICE

remiliascarlet, you said I made an error with Discord and it upsets me. Because it implies I don't know about that. "Your account" is just an accepted name for this.

<w​rought959:matrix.org> StackWallet loaded so much faster than Cake, thanks so much [@ofrnxmr:monero.social](https://matrix.to/#/@ofrnxmr:monero.social) But still here it started loading much slower when it came yo around 270k blocks left... Is there something about the blockchain that makes this so? (Increased block size, hard fork, etc.?)

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There was a spam attack that increased the amount of tx that the wallet has to scan. I synced ~150k blocks last night in about 20mins. Shouldnt be too rough

<b​asses:matrix.org> I thougt spammers found something more useful in their life

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Yeah, but during the times of high volume, syncing became longer

<w​rought959:matrix.org> that sucks... is monero safe against such attacks now, or could that happen again anytime?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> And why do I have to rescan from a few days before wallet creation? is it just a recommendation so I see all my transactions in the history? could I get to use monero faster by just scanning everything since yesterday? or would this cause problems?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> bcause If i need to make a quick payment, I just dont have 20 minutes to spare

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> It will only show funds sent/received _after_ the restore height

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If the wallet was "used 6 months ago > emptied > used again 6 days ago" you can restore from 7 days ago (youll lose the old history)

<w​rought959:matrix.org> ok great, so if i continually used it for a year, but only sync a week, I only see the transactions from last week, but my current amount of xmr is accurate and I can pay without problems?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Current xmr will only reflect the sync period (last week)

<w​rought959:matrix.org> but current is only the last block, no?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> oh no, I think I understand: so if I had 3 xmr comming in last week, and 1 going out my wallet will show 2 xmr? even tho I avtually have 102 xmr in my wallet?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> yes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (to the second message)

<w​rought959:matrix.org> well that's obviously not what I want haha 😅, but I can reset the block height whenevrr I hit 0

<w​rought959:matrix.org> good to know

<w​rought959:matrix.org> If I had 3 going out and 2 coming in last week will it show -1xmr?

<w​rought959:matrix.org> even tho I have 99 in the wallet?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Never tried, but i believe so 🤷‍♂️

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> If just one more member joins the chat there will be 1337 people in the room.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> what is it all about 1337

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> second time someone mention this number

<m​e:abdulocra.cy> It is a number only the most enlightened of hackers have the privilege of understanding

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I ~see~ leet...

Numbers = letters, l33t speak

cringe

It's not cringe, it's classic

From the 90s

<b​asses:matrix.org> Mr. Robot

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> It represents a term of internet slang which originated from a forum called HackForums.net when it was famous for distributing illegal services, 1337 Haxor was the original slang, it was used to describe a person that was ‘noob’ that was only empowered by the hacking tools he has purchased from sellers on there like botnet software and crypters.

It is just so pointless and weird.

Ah, so script kiddie?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I see thx for the explanation

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer yeah looks like skids

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Yes synonymous with todays script kiddy

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Mr.Robot is a failure

What even is this, syntheticbird?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> How is the wallet going to know the spent outputs belongs to it 😅

<b​asses:matrix.org> recommend a better haxxor movie

<b​asses:matrix.org> or tv show

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer wdym?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix, it's very realistic

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> especially the part with the bullet drop

Ah, so mr. robot is something from matrix? I haven't watched because it's a Hollywood action movie and I am not into this stuff.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> oh no no

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> unrelated

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I was answering rando

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> Mr.Robot is a series about a hacker (and groups) that decide to lead a fight against a dystopian corporation called E-corp.

Sounds like a Western YA novel.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I won't tell more. The concept is really good

<b​asses:matrix.org> red pilled

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fr

Concept is good but failed in execution or something?

<b​asses:matrix.org> there was a tv show about darknet

<b​asses:matrix.org> german but great

<b​asses:matrix.org> not a documentary, but about some kids running drugs website

<b​asses:matrix.org> Tor, etc

<b​asses:matrix.org> Actually, it is one of the only hacker movies with much realistic info

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> BlueyHealer There is 4~5 seasons (I don't remember) it's overall very good but scenario kinda go to useless part half of the time. 60% of the episodes are filling the void. Making philosophy of a xmas santa is good but doing it 100 times accross 3 seasons is tiring

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> they're not actually doing it 100 times, but you get the idea, they fill the void with over-thinking scenario that doesn't add anything to the main events

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> and yeah rando is right. Mr.Robot is known because they have been using real tools and techniques through at the series, not just some c program scrolling in the background of a screen

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> or matrix rainfall background

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> I'm tired of *hacking* documentary with people in sweat in the dark with some matrix rainfall background in one of their 3 screens

So... Where is the failure?

<y​asabi:matrix.org> its hacking is in the oldschool sense, but a phenomenal series is Halt & Catch Fire

<y​asabi:matrix.org> it's kind of a technologist's Mad Men, starting off with the reverse engineering of the IBM BIOS to recreate the clone market, and ending around the browser wars of the 90s

<y​asabi:matrix.org> excellent soundtrack throughout as well

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> fuck you, sounds so cool i have to watch it now

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (thanks)

<y​asabi:matrix.org> ofc, hope you enjoy!

<b​asses:matrix.org> never traced someone's IP through a GUI?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> GUI 🤢

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Rip selsta

what did i miss?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Syn doesnt like gui

oh

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Now get back in my basement 😬

<b​asses:matrix.org> ?????????

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/EPUQqoWWQZpPuJxYCqSFuRyx

<l​uckyfindings:matrix.org> as a current abductee, you should always listen to your abductor

<l​uckyfindings:matrix.org> :D