<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I wouldn’t say “can’t” but I don’t think I should ramble on about this. If a publicly known algorithm that proves otherwise emerges and it happens to be computationally efficient enough to be practical for this, I’d imagine it’ll be worth considering for monero at that point.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Until then the current roadmap seems adequate

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> better search for those state reductions, or others will.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> which terminology should we use instead of state vs ledger ?

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> just because they use these terms, doesnt mean we have to

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> hardhatter: It is "can't". Our proofs are largely argued zero-knowledge because element is indistinguishable from an element sampled at random.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If you can compress random data, you've compressed past entropy. It cannot be done.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If there's 4 possible options (2 bits), y you cannot compress that to a single bit. You can't have a value with 2 options and recover a value with options.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> It's pigeonholing.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I'd argue there is the ledger, which produces the state, and cannot be pruned. I'd then argue there's wallet aux data and proof aux data. I'd focus on replacing the proof aux data.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I’ve done it and regularly do it for my own applications. To be concise, it’s private IP, so I don’t expect you to just trust my word and probably not worth your time for me to say much about it to you without handing over proof. But maybe if someday you reevaluate why you think it’s not possible, it could cast doubt and lead you somewhere

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If you can compress 1 GB from /dev/urandom on any modern Linux system by a nontrivial factor, you'd be a billionaire.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> I know

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> And that’s not a very interesting application hahah 🙃

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Are you claiming to be able to compress random data by a nontrivial factor?

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Yup

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> more than that. you'd be a divine being

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> And it’s accessible in its compressed form

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> K, I now get to ignore you unless you provide evidence. You're in direct contradicting to the concept of entropy.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> *contradiction

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Understandable, that’s why I prefaced what i said, I don’t expect you to trust me and so on

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> But I’m inviting you to think about why you believe it’s not possible more. That’s really my intention. If I’m not lying, it would be a shame that you have such a hard stance on the matter

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> Walking in and saying "2 = 3" doesn't cause people to open their eyes. It causes them to think you don't know what you're talking about.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Okay I’ll just stop talking about it then

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> The fact you claim to solved pigeonholing, saying that 4 pigeons can fit into 2 holes *and* each have their own hole, means you don't understand the premise of pigeonholing.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> So we have a fundamental miscommunication somewhere, or a fundamental misunderstanding.

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> see ya later guys. *leaves claude shannons paper on information theory on the table*

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I don't want to be rude and cut you out of the conversation. That doesn't change I'm not going to bother spending time listening to claims to have solved pigeonholing when it's not a solvable problem.

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Don’t worry about it haha it’s okay

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> And yes spiro I am aware of Claude Shannon’s research

<s​pirobel:kernal.eu> it is also besides the point. it not about compressing data. more thinking on which data is necessary to prevent double spends

when you buy currenyc on kraken why do they make you wait 3 days before you can transfer it

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> And it’s accessible using its compressed form

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> And you can access an index using its compressed form without having to decompress the rest of the compressed data

<o​rion_midast:matrix.org> Ask them

<g​oodboy:matrix.org> intra/inter bank settling times more then likely

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> Maybe I’ll just say for the record I’m not claiming to have solved pigeon-holing. But idk why kayaba jumped to that conclusion from what I had said so far. My guess was the way I phrased “accessing in the compressed form” so I edited that to be a bit clearer about what I meant. Anyway I don’t mean to drag that convo out since it’s won’t be productive unless I share m<clipped message>

<h​ardhatter:monero.social> ore detail than I want to.

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<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (if we forget he targeted computer nerds)

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<3​21bob321:monero.social> Also isnt that just tinder?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Outside of the closet they are a minority. There are more here than are willing to admit. A lot of them are hostile towards gays as well

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> gays hostile towards gays?

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<a​tori_0xbdc3ab4e:matrix.org> Does the CLI also prune by default now or is this limited to the GUI?

The Monero daemon is responsible for handling the blockchain and prune or not prune. While the GUI wallet handles the daemon for you, with the CLI wallet you handle the daemon yourself, basically.

You tell then to prune or not directly to the daemon

<a​tori_0xbdc3ab4e:matrix.org> I know but release notes of the gui say that prunning is now enabled by default, just wondering if it's the same with the cli?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> limited to gui

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> cli is still unpruned by default

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Why ? was there such a demand for making it default

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Anyone had comm issues with Monezon?

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Anyone had issues communicating with Monezon?

<t​hedragon44:matrix.org> Anyone had issues communicating with Monezon recently?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably to encourage people to run nodes without as much of a storage burden

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Lets see if it creates more problems than nodes

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Why would it create problems?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Id argue the main issue would be accidentally pruning someones full nodr

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I havent updated, but i think the only sane way should be a user facing toggle that enabled pruning. It shouldn't be pruning without a prompt imho

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i just updated, i dont see any prune setting. Presumable its going to prune any lmdb that it touches

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> There is a checkbox when creating or restoring a new wallet

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> i dont see one on the "node" settings page

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Has anyone charged the average consume computer hard drive size over time and compared it to the pruned Monero blockchain size

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> S/charged/charted

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> It might be possible to identify when we might need to prune further and how much time is left