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Can I help you with anything Guest7006 ?

oh hey, just now saw that

Yes, I'm having major performance issues with monerod on OpenBSD

The short of it is, once the daemon finishes synchronizing, all CPU is completely hogged which slows down the entire system to a crawl. This is the same result on both an AMD A10 and Athlon II system

Compiled from source, release v0.18.3.4

No idea.

Sorry

Are you syncing a wallet at the time?

No, just the blockchain.

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> you could try this to limit resource usage for the monerod process: monero.stackexchange.com/a/10156

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> replacing the apt install with installing openbsd's cgroup tools ofc

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> ...openbsd has cgroups right?

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> well if not then this should work: docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/security/#security-resourcelimits

This git issue seems to be describing the same issue: monero-project/monero #7027

OpenBSD has login classes which set limits for open files, user shells, etc

I tried running the daemon as root instead of the unpriveleged _monerod user, but same results

I'll see about setting a higher maxfiles limit

But if this issue is stemming from kernel locking, I'm not sure what to do about that

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> unfortunate

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> hello

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i'm new here

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> is this the right place to ask questions about monero?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> welcome

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> hello thank you

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> happy to be here

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i'm looking for a place to just ask questions about cryptocurrency, specifically monero

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> but i'm NOT looking for a place to be shilled shitcoins by a bot

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> so have i come to the right place?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Ask your question instead of running around the bush

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i haven't thought of one yet

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i just want to know if people here are actual human beings interested in monero or just a bunch of robo shills trying to get me to buy there fuck-the-clown-malt-liqour-coin

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Don’t buy monero slogan is real

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> idk what this means?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> slogan?

<p​reland:monero.social> From what I’ve seen, the vast majority of people here are basically the opposite of the typical cryptobro stereotype, for quite a few reasons

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> tryptocal cryptobro stereotype?

<p​reland:monero.social> Basically it’s the opposite of the “hodl” culture that Bitcoin has

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> typical?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> hodl culture?

<p​reland:monero.social> Ie the “price always go up” mentality, plus the more culty stuff that comes with it

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> ima_b78a439.jpeg

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> You need to update your software

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i'm not following

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> is this some picture a guy made in his basement?

I got into Monero because after the sanctions, it became the most straightforward way to pay for my VPS and domain without being restricted to more easily-censorable locally-based companies)

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i feel like there is a whole meme subculture that i have yet to learn

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Obviously monero users stay in basements

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> And bunkers

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> santions?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> sanctions?

<p​reland:monero.social> You’ll get used to it

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Troll

Yea, basically my card wouldn't work for paying for said VPS. But with Monero I can, and thus grateful to this technology.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> yea it's possible i'm a troll, or it's possible that monero has a VERY deep culture i don't know about

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i feel like there is a lot of history i'm not aware of

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Go read the bitcointalk forum thread of monero for entire history

I am not that much into its cunture either. But it is indeed much closer to the culture of people obsessed with privacy, anonymity and independence rather than the cryptobro culture.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> wut?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Yah dyor

So kinda Monero now is what Bitcoin was supposed to be when it was conceived.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> > bitcointalk forum thread of monero

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> idk what this is

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> is this a forum thread?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i have heard that alot

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> maybe i should explain that i have NO clue about any of this

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> How old are you like 5?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i don't even fully understand what cryptocurrency is or why it exists

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> when i first heard of it, i thought it was a scam

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> but the more i ask about it, the complex it seems to be

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> 33

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> You need to back to school

No, it is legitimately a tool accepted in some places (although the acceptance could be better).

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> You need to go back to school

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i am in skewl

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> wut is?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> crypto?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> or monero?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> or both?

dave.jp, I don't think being rude to people in this context is good.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> or only some crypto but not monero?

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Digital cash

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> what is digital cash?

m-relay | <howtomonero:matrix.org> or both? <- Crypto in general can be a tool, but there are coins that have no utility other than speculation indeed.

Monero is notable because it's one of the major cruptocurrencies that is accepted quite a lot, and overall is far more often used as a tool than a lot of other coins.

howtomonero, digital cash - as in the currency that does not depend on some central authority like a bank, and thus MUCH harder to control. Something that you "own" and are responsible for only by yourself. Also Monero is unique in that its goal was to make transactions untraceable - still reading on how exactly this is done, and would rather not consider it bulletproof (like, a flaw can be found

later) - but for my low threat model, it is definitely sufficiently anonymous.

Like, I got into it because the banks in other countries limited my ability to use my card in them, but Monero was immune to such restrictions.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> > there are coins that have no utility other than speculation indeed.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i have heard that people who use monero are all real hardcore rule followers

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> we monero users love laws

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> and rules

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> and tyranny

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> and government

<p​reland:monero.social> Basically I’m just going to give a (rather rough and probably somewhat incorrect) explanation of what Monero is.

<p​reland:monero.social> Monero is a currency that is controlled by “nodes”, or individual computers—

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> interesting, so your saying that i am demonstrating behavior that is ban worthy?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> what ever my behavior is, please let me know and i will attempt to correct my behavior

<p​reland:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/pYKxsthaaHiawvkNNkAhQDvD

<p​reland:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/piTcBEebrQfZvAJndkEDOKuE

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i never said i want to use monero for criminal activities

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i never encouraged criminal activities

<p​reland:monero.social> Hey, if you are being genuine then I apologize, but we get enough trolls and bad people here that it’s hard for us to weed people out

<p​reland:monero.social> If you want to learn more about Monero, I suggest you start here: getmonero.org/resources/about

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> i was just confirming that monero is the first last and only cryptocurrency used on the darkweb for drug purposes and that i'm not going to be doing that

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> no sir not me

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> no drugs

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> or guns

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> or hookers

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> not for me

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> be like "so are you guys gonna buy some children to fuck with your untracable monopoly money"?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> or "are you pedophille libertarians going to rape children with your fake monero money"?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> cause that's the bullshit i would say if i was a troll

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> not support the cause

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> or actively try to learn about it

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> Go read mastering monero

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> > Adveritse something stupid and clearly wrong

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> banmonero.com

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> why did banks and other countries limit your card?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> cool thanks

I use it for very shady purpose of renting a server I watch Youtube through.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> you TERRORIST

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> EVIL

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> no rights for you

Indeed. Don't tell anyone that I like my share of crisp 1080p gaming streams.

howtomonero, political sanctions. I did nothing to warrant it, it's just that whole country has SWIFT disabled.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> russia?

So this is just a proof that it can be useful on clearnet for legit things as well. And even if my card did work, Monero would have its place - as a way of paying for something without it tying back to you.

howtomonero, yea.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> absolutely

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I use it to bribe politicians

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> naughty

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> ok so wait

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> m-relay: what is your use case again?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> your in russia and want to use a private pay to play vpn to watch lets plays?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> nice*

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> your in russia and want to use monero to pay a private pay to play vpn to use watch lets plays?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> am i understanding that right?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No. I send money to russia. I am not in russia, i am evading sanctions

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> is this room some kind of a relay?

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> for irc or something?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> No. Its a relay for people who live in NK

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> I thought you wanted to know about monero. There is a room for topics that arent monero, Monero Offtopic

howtomonero, well, a VPS, not a VPN service. But overall yes.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> what is a vps?

This is bridged between IRC and Matrix.

<h​owtomonero:matrix.org> ok

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> its like a vpn but with an s instead of n

Yea, where you can set up things besides the VPN, like an IRC bouncer or a seedbox.

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> > **plowsof** kicked **howtomonero** low effort

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> literally 1984

<s​trawberry:monero.social> We're winning on coincards again :D

<s​trawberry:monero.social> x.com/CoinCards/status/1830651907150410004

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Was it them who said they'd change the slogan if monero is #1 for some number of months? or was that shopinbit?

<p​reland:monero.social> If I had a piconero for every time a person named howtomonero with a pfp of Jerome Powell with the Monero logo on his eyes joined the Monero chat, claimed to know nothing about monero or cryptocurrency or finance or basically anything at all

<p​reland:monero.social> I’d have one piconero, which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened at all

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…ero.social/nAlYIEXtTzCyRwamgttlNXVw

<p​reland:monero.social> Lol

strawberry: I think it was Shopinbit

<s​trawberry:monero.social> I checked and yes it was

Why "winning again". We didn't win July, I think I saw in the tweets. Did we win an earlier month?

<s​trawberry:monero.social> Yes, in June

Ah, ok

<a​mmortel:monero.social> The authority supervising the monero transactions is the decentralised consensus. Yet I still see a flaw in this : can I trust this authority? More than 51% of the monero network is biased in that they are partial towards the monero project.

<a​mmortel:monero.social> It means that, if someone was to be, for wathever the reason, considered an adversary of the monero project, It could sadly happend, that invalid transactions harming him would be accepted.

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> while, yes, they could be biased, a 51% attack would be *extremely* impractical to perform at this scale.

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> you'd need to ship modified binaries to, well, 51% of all nodes

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> that's well over 700 machines you'd need to push to

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> you'd need to ship modified binaries to, well, 51% of all nodes; that's well over 700 machines you'd need to push to

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> it's *possible*, but not *practical*

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> and there's significantly more effective methods for fighting the opposition than trying to organize a malicious update to nearly a thousand machines

<p​reland:monero.social> A similar attack already happened when the wallet for development was stolen and drained. No 51% attack occurred, and the closest thing to an exploit with Monero was that the increased scrutiny towards the output allowed it to be traced….but not to an extent that would be considered useful.

<p​reland:monero.social> That being said, the entire amount stolen (over 2000 XMR) was returned (or a whale donated the amount) rather quickly, so had the incident not have been resolved, I’m not sure what would’ve happened

<p​reland:monero.social> Most likely *not* a 51% attack though

<p​reland:monero.social> One thing that I did hear mentioned as a flaw was that Monero binaries are only signed by a single entity—is that true?

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> that is not true, there's several gpg keys - all of which are viewable [here](github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/utils/gpg_keys)

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> that's not entirely true, there's several gpg keys - all of which are viewable [here](github.com/monero-project/monero/tree/master/utils/gpg_keys)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> monero binaries are signed by 0, the hashes are signed

<p​reland:monero.social> Are the signers all members of Monero core?

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> yeah, this

<n​yx:nyx.1337.cx> hashes can be viewed [here](getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt)

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the hashes come from the gitian build process

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> reproducible. you can build and confirm them yourself

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> as do many github.com/monero-project/gitian.sigs

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> will be replaced by guix soon though 💪

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> so we dont trust 1 or 2 members of core to tell us the hashes

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> they trust the people who submit hashes

<p​reland:monero.social> Do all of the signers listed have to sign? Asking because there are some pretty old names in there

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> the requirement of signing hashes (by 2 members of core, bF and Luigi) enabled the auto updater in the gui

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> this is the file with the requirement of 2 signers monero-project/monero-site #2366

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> sorry, not that particular file*

<p​lowsof:matrix.org> this getmonero.org/downloads/hashes.txt and the above from luigi

datahoarder is m-relay_ our new overlord?

probably a reconnect had it take that nick

I might cycle it tomorrow given it’s working

thanks as always 👍