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<o​frnxmr:monero.social> [@Banhammer](matrix.to/#/@banhammer:matrix.org)

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<n​yx:nyxmr.top> oh this guy's back

blacknigga

why did you enable invite only mode?

on monero.social

<n​yx:nyxmr.top> soy

<b​asses:matrix.org> trace monero-project/monero-gui #4014#issuecomment-1224339036

<b​asses:matrix.org> undelete.pullpush.io/r/monerosuppor…unch_in_new_tails_58_update/j11am12

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ask in gui

<b​asses:matrix.org> not on the website sir?

<b​asses:matrix.org> room link

now then

<n​yx:nyxmr.top> y'all fw my dashboard?

<n​yx:nyxmr.top> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nyxmr.top/OzWkZmzTCncnjCDjePLiLtus

<b​asses:matrix.org> Why can't I trust Centralised Exchanges, and random Monero nodes ?

<b​asses:matrix.org> blog.nowhere.moe/opsec/chainalysisattempts/index.html

<n​yx:nyxmr.top> chainalysis uses node IPs as a part of their strategy to correlate transaction data

<n​yx:nyxmr.top> update

<n​yx:nyxmr.top> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/nyxmr.top/MxzPiOXcplNARxORZCIpbDHJ

<b​asses:matrix.org> kayabanerve twitter.com/kayabaNerve/status/1831135604622422401 just so you know, gag orders can prevent you from updating canaries that might deem it suspicious or anything like that..

<b​asses:matrix.org> surprised no one mentioned it tho, looks like EFF and other orgs marketed this snake oil very well

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> That's the point of a canary. It stops being updated upon incident.

Seems like somebody didn't listen to me, and blocked nope.chat on Matrix, so the spammer moved to IRC to spam from here. Genius...

<b​asses:matrix.org> what happens afterwards? people will speculate a lot of thing.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats monero media department issue

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> If someone has a canary, and it stops being updated, the point is for people to speculate that the canary's statement is no longer true.

<k​ayabanerve:matrix.org> I didn't make a canary. I made a tweet I should have one and a comment on my past thus far.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> You can bs

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No requests made here is todays newspaper

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thats why ivpn do third party no log audits and infrastructure audits

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Proof

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i like ivpn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but mullvad and proton are technologically superior (Wireguard over X, shadowsocks)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> well not shadowsocks because ivpn have it too

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> proton is infected with CBDC and bitcoin maxis + someone or a group from WEF?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i like both ivpn and Mullvad but dont know if mullvad is as trustworthy as ivpn

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> i like both ivpn and mullvad but dont know if mullvad is as trustworthy as ivpn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i think most agrees on the fact that mullvad is more trustworthy than ivpn

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Interesting, a set of fed run nodes are deployed on quadranet.com and have matching open ports. Another possibility is that this hosting provider MITMs nodes and provides data to feds. libreddit.privacydev.net/r/Monero/c…ents/1f9h7rw/xmrnodecom_is_very_sus

is it possible to access my v1 wallet via monero gui?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> These are not even nodes. They are just reverse proxies that MiTM traffic. Its cheaper to run

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> 9000/tcp open ssl/cslistener?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> | ssl-cert: Subject: commonName=node2.monerodevs.org

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> | Subject Alternative Name: DNS:node2.monerodevs.org

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> | Not valid before: 2024-07-02T12:22:44

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> |_Not valid after: 2024-09-30T12:22:43

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> node.moneroworld.com for example proxies to node2.monerodevs.org

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Which is plowsof

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Imo we should create a reverse proxy that detects unusually high amount of incoming txs per ip and ban them.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I think there was an XMR load balancer project, you can fork off of that code

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Imo we should create a reverse proxy that detects unusually high amount of incoming txs per ip and ban them or spit them out for further analysis.

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> I think there was an XMR load balancer project in Go, you can fork off of that code

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I can just have chatgpt write this in 10 seconds

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Very interesting

<r​ecanman:kernal.eu> Oh, ok

<t​race:4d2.org> Kek

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> we need to count IPs per POST /sendrawtransaction

github.com/unyieldinggrace/monerod-proxy

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> If anyone is running high traffic nodes. I would be interested in working with them to count these reverse proxy leeches

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> and report them to monero.fail

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Interesting, a set of fed/chainanalysis run node proxies* are deployed on quadranet.com and have matching open ports. libreddit.privacydev.net/r/Monero/comments/1f9h7rw/xmrnodecom\_is\_very\_sus

<s​iren:kernal.eu> timestamp in video where this screenshot is from 28:46

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> github.com/digilolnet/monero-sendrawtransaction-counter

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Is having reverse proxy leeches a problem? Isn't that the point of a public RPC node?

<r​eal_glitch:matrix.org> why is that? i though ivpn is a big fan of monero?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> What Chainanalysis does is get the cheapest VPS in OVH and setup a reverse proxy to some real nodes. Then they advertise it on monero.fail etc. And use to trace TXs

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> What Chainanalysis does is get the cheapest VPS in OVH and setup a reverse proxy to some real nodes. Then they advertise it on monero.fail etc. And use it to trace TXs

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> What Chainanalysis does is get the cheapest VPS in OVH and setup a reverse proxy to some real nodes. Then they advertise it on monero.fail etc. And use it to trace TXs to IPs

<r​ucknium:monero.social> I see. So they see the tx. It looks to the wallet like it's a real node, but they are just relaying traffic

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Yep

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> And if their fake node proxies end up on majority of peoples devices and they don

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> And if their fake node proxies end up on majority of peoples devices and they dont use Tor well bad things happen

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> My idea is to deploy this github.com/digilolnet/monero-sendrawtransaction-counter and then let node operators analyze the abusers. Check if they have node ports open etc.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> ™️digilol grants?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I was going to run a node and only allow selsta’s ban list

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> 60% of the tool was written by DuckDuckGo free AI

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> If anyone is interested in running it on their node contact me privately and we will figure it out.

my ban list likely does not contain any Chainalysis fake nodes

mine contains nodes from fireice and a second entity

<s​iren:kernal.eu> in the video they are shown logging this endpoint getmonero.org/resources/developer-g…aemon-rpc.html#send_raw_transaction

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/LqYLPCtWTHzazAAoMpovPxlG

<s​iren:kernal.eu> better question gingeropolous how do they have access to your logs?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/ZFsbpYxNyhcYqQracxZKXbrD

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I believe he is a malicious party. Why would he not use CNAMEs otherwise.

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> node.moneroworld.com. 60 IN A 100.14.73.50

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> node.moneroworld.com. 60 IN A 37.187.74.171

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> node.moneroworld.com. 60 IN A 192.99.8.110

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​iren:kernal.eu> it was pointing to a chainanalysis node, and the victim accessed it by node.moneroworld.com hence the Host header

<p​reland:monero.social> “Oops”

Are they not grepping their own MITM logfiles? After sneaking their way onto the "list"?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Highly recommend to not use node.moneroworld.com

yes I also think these are their own logs and not gingers

<3​21bob321:monero.social> We need to do what happened in the movie “the departed” insert someone in the irs

<p​reland:monero.social> There’s probably a way to mess up their rpc tracing stuff if you can figure out a node is compromised

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> If I was a doing chainanalysis I would not run my own node but reverse proxy to well known ones. This way I dont need to manage the mess monero node is also dont need to worry about upgrades.

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Is that node http?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> It could be that he didn't know better but I find his attitude a bit concerning here matrix.to/#/!WzzKmkfUkXPHFERgvm:mat…g&via=monero.social&via=libera.chat

<s​iren:kernal.eu> actually nah you can't load balance CNAMEs like that

all that link does is invite me to join matrix :)

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Yeah its a link to previous convo

that much I figured, meow

maybe I'm missing something but /sendrawtransaction kinda shows that they do this reverse proxy thing and not have access to ginger's logs directly

because this RPC endpoint isn't used in normal wallet usage

so they chose moneroworld as en endpoint because it's the most well known node, not because it's compromised

I use that endpoint to ask nodes "did you update lol?" So pls forgive me for high requests per ip

<s​iren:kernal.eu> >because this RPC endpoint isn't used in normal wallet usage

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Weird. They only show two transactions in the video which have RPC info and for both it's that endpoint

tobtoht i think its unrelated to feather specifically but multi broadcast uses thensendrawtx endpoint?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> which endpoint is used by wallets?

ugh

maybe I'm wrong and it's used

I usually remember this endpoint from exporting the tx as hex and manually submitting it

<s​iren:kernal.eu> selsta: most likely moneroworld pointed at a chainanalysis node at some point, honest mistake and the logging was done in their end

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> Also I just got IP banned from all of the nodes behind node.moneroworld.com 😆

--disable-rpc-bans and free stnby

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Naughty corner

<r​ucknium:monero.social> According to the video, Chainalysis deploys at least some nodes (or something that participates in the P2P network) since they collect tx broadcast data too. It can't be all from proxies.

How do node operators run monerod without logs

<s​iren:kernal.eu> Actually I will take a wild guess and say that at some point node.moneroworld.com pointed at at least 2 chainanalysis nodes, because look the "source" number. This is #003.

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I bet all XMR I have that they run revere proxies. Eben if they have a lot of money a business will not run their own node :D

I guess that would leave system network logs somewhere still

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> I bet all XMR I have that they run revere proxies. Even if they have a lot of money a business will not run their own node :D

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/GeNhnoMbHllnhzGgyGnhbVyk

<r​ucknium:monero.social> You might be able to get a rough estimate of the number of nodes they run, at a snapshot, by their timing data they display. They have data on the time between seeing the same transaction the first and second time. 💡

<s​iren:kernal.eu> and this is source #140, also showing node.moneroworld.com in the Host header

<r​ucknium:monero.social> plowsof: log level 0 is basically with no logs. You can also point logs to /dev/null. If you are using NGINX or something you have to turn off NGINX IP logging. AFAIK

Thanks

<r​ucknium:monero.social> But if you have a spy that can read your RAM, then the spy can get info of course.

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Loglevel 0 isnt logs

A best effort then

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Log_level=ofrn is no logs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> try `set_log ofrn` if you dont believe me :P

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Loglevel 0 isnt no logs

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Seriously.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> The IP address here is not residential and virustotal shows that it's related to ransomware and other malware possibly. This might explain why it was making RPC calls not used in regular wallets.

<s​iren:kernal.eu> virustotal.com/gui/ip-address/85.248.227.164/relations

<s​iren:kernal.eu> and also why chainanalysis is interested in this tx, it's related to cybercrime

<s​iren:kernal.eu> same goes for this one virustotal.com/gui/ip-address/185.220.100.252/detection

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Mitm with no https biatches!

Wouldnt you be using the mitm's certs and https wouldnt help?

<s​iren:kernal.eu> this one is a tor exit node virustotal.com/gui/ip-address/185.220.100.252/detection

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Depends if your doing what stnby is saying

<d​ave.jp:matrix.org> If the wallet validates cert or fingerprints ? How does fdroid avoid mitm ?

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> By mitm I meant

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> L4 level

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> imagine such Caddy config

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> node.shitserver.com {

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> reverse_proxy xmr-node.cakewallet.com:18081 xmr.bunkerlab.net nodex.monerujo.io:18081

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> }

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> By mitm I meant

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> L4 level

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> imagine such Caddy config

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> node.shitserver.com {

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> reverse_proxy xmr-node.cakewallet.com:18081 xmr.bunkerlab.net nodex.monerujo.io:18081

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> }

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> By mitm I meant

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> L4 level

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> imagine such Caddy config

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> node.shitserver.com {

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> reverse_proxy xmr-node.cakewallet.com:18081 xmr.bunkerlab.net nodex.monerujo.io:18081

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> }

<s​tnby:kernal.eu> ```

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There is a monero proxy github somewhere

Ginger uses one of these :)

Gingeropolice

<3​21bob321:monero.social> This might prompt me to finish setting up graylog

He had 5 nodes setup on his proxy, but deleted 2 quickly and refused to reveal the others

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Gingerninja

<s​iren:kernal.eu> there were more nodes on xmrnode.com subdomains, this reddit comment is now deleted web.archive.org/web/20230607131724/…eroworldcom_18089_seems_down_please

<s​iren:kernal.eu> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…/kernal.eu/hxmPaPBWvoQxWLvgeIVMTCxQ

<s​iren:kernal.eu> there were more nodes on xmrnode.com subdomains old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6yaedn/psa\_nodemoneroworldcom\_18089\_seems\_down\_please/

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Only crimes run there own node!

<c​:frei.chat> Is xmr.stormycloud.org:18089 safe?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Nfi

<c​:frei.chat> In all of these honeypot nodes

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Try 127.0.0.1

<c​:frei.chat> No SSD :(

Why bot use a tor node?

Not*

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> If you must use a remote node, use an onion node

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> AilliA: ^^^^

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Tell doug and btdev ofrn says 🖕🖕🖕🖕

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> :D

<c​:frei.chat> They have an onion address

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Fkn xmrbazaar using remote nodes for their excrow

<c​:frei.chat> They have an onion address too

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> And telling me how its perfectly fine

Use any onion that broadcasts your tx

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> telling me to go ask person A B or C.

<c​:frei.chat> 👍️

A list of active tor nodes can be found in featherwallet.org wallet

<c​:frei.chat> It's included in the list

<s​iren:kernal.eu> actually nah you can't do round-robin CNAMEs like that

<b​asses:matrix.org> based on?

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Google reviews

<3​21bob321:monero.social> I have used ivpn for 3 years no issue

<b​asses:matrix.org> your product tastes good, 5 stars

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> first class monero support, no hdd server with boot transparency, more audits than ivpn, cheaper and constant prices

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Same audits

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah, IVPN gets constant audits

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> but i may be wrong. my conclusion was mostly based on my circle and I've mostly seen people using mullvad and not particularly appreciating ivpn

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i believe yo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Trust me bruh

<b​asses:matrix.org> ivpn.net/blog/your-vpn-provider-wont-go-to-jail-for-you

<b​asses:matrix.org> straight facts

<3​21bob321:monero.social> There is that

<3​21bob321:monero.social> No one dying on the hill for you

<b​asses:matrix.org> back in business with FBI libreddit.privacydev.net/r/Monero/c…uu9j/fixedfloat_has_restored_monero

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Ivpn has better wiki/guides

<3​21bob321:monero.social> And viktor floats around

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Here