any tips for Trezor Model T usage in general? ubuntu 20.04 is hanging, is there a better ver?

and while we're here I guess I should go through the process for ledger nano s at least ... any other recommended hw wallets out there? anything diyable like on a pi or etc?

the gui* is hanging on 20.04, need to use monero-wallet-cli which i used to use with success

bah, > Error: failed to generate new wallet: Device connect failed, gotta troubleshoot. but I used to used a Model One vs the Model T I'm using now ... seems Safes are supported, guess it's on to the Nano S which has also worked in the past, any and all tips welcomed and appreciated

in fact ill tip for working tips, scout's honor

this is your once in a lifetime chance to be a PAID sneurlax intern.

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/SxzRefqVFRZRXtEpLMVuEtcI

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> Soon™ is Now! Sidekick is officially out in the wild and ready to join you on your private crypto adventures. Go find your forgotten older phone and visit sidekick.monerujo.app for all the info. 🔐📱📲💸

ok, cool

definitly worth a tip

@a​nhdres:matrix.org: I used to use monerujo with a trezor model one, would it work with a model t?

Hello monero group, my goal is to do some xmr -> usd or khr in cambodia. I'm aware of changenow.io for xmr -> btc and then local exchanges for btc -> usd. I have two questions for the group: 1) is changenow.io the most private and cheapest for xmr -> btc ? and 2) for cambodia, does anyone know of a direct xmr -> usd (khr) providing the same kind of privacy and best rates?

<m​odul8:matrix.org> have you looked into haveno-reto.com? its a computer application you install not a website. There hasnt been any cambodia/kh trades so far so you may need to go to your usual cambodia crypto hangouts and tell them about it.

Is haveno-reto similar to bisq?

<m​odul8:matrix.org> yes similar to bisq1, it uses monero for the base currency which is improves privacy and fees.

I'll check it out, thanks!

he is gone already .. Does changenow have KYC?

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yep

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> it was on the leaked chainalysis video btw, as one of the most popular "subphoenable entities" lol

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> it was on the leaked chainalysis video btw, as one of the most popular "subphoenable entities" that cooperates with their demands lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They run kyc on flagged addresses / outputs, and also often share data with fbi

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> They do work over tor tho

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yeah but it doesnt matter if you use tor or not if you're forced to KYC yourself in the end

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yeah but it doesnt matter if you use tor or not if you're forced to KYC yourself in the end (selfies ID card + facial recognition type of KYC)

I am not defending the KYC stuff, but imo, selfie ID card + facial recognition stuff is getting more and more dodge-able nowadays

You can find the KYC dataleaks online. These data generally contain some suckers holding their ID cards and taking a selfie.

<r​uxmr:monero.social> not if you don't log in

Now, you can put that face into your own face, with some pretty accessible open source AI tools today.

<r​uxmr:monero.social> they would be able to show where the btc went and a xmr return wallet address to loe

<r​uxmr:monero.social> and an amount

<r​uxmr:monero.social> and an amount with a time stamp

<r​uxmr:monero.social> so for atomic swaps, no kyc

<r​uxmr:monero.social> they would be able to show where the btc went and a xmr return wallet address to leo

<r​uxmr:monero.social> so step one xmr -> btc no kyc

<m​odul8:matrix.org> i guess the problem with btc is that it will be used to trace but it will not be disclosed. oh yeah we found out because x did x. but really btc gave them the clue where to look.

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> yea im not recommending doing that lol, to stay on the legal side. i'd rather just not use those services that force KYC procedures

<r​uxmr:monero.social> just glad Russia officially recognized crypto as legit....now how am I gonna get a rubles account?

ruxmr, as far as I know, it is still not legal tender though, maybe I missed some news, but IIRC it would still not be legal to accept payment in XMR.

<r​uxmr:monero.social> legal tender and the ability to spend it legally are two different things

<r​uxmr:monero.social> for instance, if you are a Nepali citizen, all crypto is illegal, even if you live in El Salvador or Ghana

<r​uxmr:monero.social> and as a Nepali, the Nepali government will arrest you once you return home

<r​uxmr:monero.social> in russia that's not the case at all

<r​uxmr:monero.social> so yeah, I could spend my xmr in russia for x, y, or z and not be arrested for it

<r​uxmr:monero.social> not the same thing as legal tender but spendable

<r​uxmr:monero.social> El Salvador and Ghana now, one crypt is legal tender

<r​uxmr:monero.social> El Salvador and Ghana now, one crypto is legal tender

Ah. Yeah, it is indeed an *asset*.

It would not be legal to accept XMR for services, for example, if I am not confusing anything.

Also, why do you want a ruble account? Everything official there is KYC, and everything's cut off from Swift... This is literally the only reason I have crypto at all!

<r​uxmr:monero.social> the whole world no longer kowtows to the US's banking laws....the move against Russia's financial assets was the biggest mistake the US has ever made... Now many countries no longer really care about the little treaties they signed and no longer really care to enforce them. Making all Russian citizens penniless over night was extraordinarily ignorant

It can be excused as "panic savings" in case of questions, which is kinda true lol

Penniless? idk, you are overexaggerating.

<r​uxmr:monero.social> No BlueyHealer you've got the wrong tree

<r​uxmr:monero.social> and no I am not. find some expat Russians and asked what happened to their access to monies

<r​uxmr:monero.social> Have a good day/night

Ah, you meant in the foreign institutions. Yeah, there are a lot of places people have been robbed. I cannot be angry because it is something expected and natural.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…4ad2aa1bd22839e71838559417507774464

<k​evino:tchncs.de> whats this , techleaks creating the Fud again.

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> its the dero retard

why would anyone listen to that dude is beyond me

<k​evino:tchncs.de> hmm , trying to take some revenge i guess

<k​evino:tchncs.de> yeah , somehow its popping up in news feed

<k​evino:tchncs.de> some guys in other groups linked me to it and talked negatively about monero encryption

people talk shit

<t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> Isn't it strange that they want to join a tg group for an explanation? tg of all platforms (!).

Bruh, at least use a messenger you can interact with anonymously!!

<t​sjk:bitcoinist.org> s/they want to/they want you to/

orbifx: ChangeNow doesn't use KYC, at least, not for any of the crypto to crypto swaps.

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> he's just shitposting at this point lol

<k​evino:tchncs.de> t.me/techleaks24/28

<k​evino:tchncs.de> yes

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> the techleaks meme was funny a few weeks ago, its outdated now

his bag status?

Oh, wait, was the messenger choice a KYC attempt? Nice try.

<b​asses:matrix.org> dude just begs Dero devs and AI for info about KEY IMAGES

"immana un-earth the infinite nero glitch real quic!!"

<d​etherminal:monero.social> Stop feeding this troll, just block him.

I really hope the AI fad fades away sooner than I expect it to. Because AI is the reason why so many company services get enshittified, it's getting more and more impossible to get customer support that can actually solve problems, and refunds take forever to get processed, because the AI can't manage to add authorization to the transaction that allows the bank to refund me way sooner.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i am not following him it just popped up on the monero cmc page

<k​evino:tchncs.de> .

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Binance fud

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Probably still have a short opened somewhere

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> (Cmc is binance, isnt it)

<k​evino:tchncs.de> yeah , donno why its tumbling

<k​evino:tchncs.de> markets are positive

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> they post techleaks bot not ofrnxmr? Fuddd

<k​evino:tchncs.de> what is he trying to prove ?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> how are monero transactions traceable ?

@kevino:tchncs.de see this: vimeo.com/1009284260

Monero transactions are not deterministically traceable. They are probabilistically traceable in certain situations.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> ok

<k​evino:tchncs.de> whats the "key images" he is talking about

With the FCMP++ upgrade, we hope that the spectrum of such certain situations get narrower and narrower.

I have no idea, nor have I the curiosity to lend him an ear.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> hmm

All I know is that he have an axe to grind with XMR community, and that colors his arguments.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> hmm

I can't consider him coming from a place of good faith for this reason. And also for this reason I don't have time to waste with his probably disingeniuous argumentation efforts.

<k​evino:tchncs.de> he tweets like insane 😂

ignore

tweeting like insane is not a feat

any unhinged idiot tweets like insane

<k​evino:tchncs.de> as if the whole xmr market will collapse on his stupid post

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i think cointelegraph is the culprit who started with the FUD

so what.. just ignore and keep building.

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> he's had a hate boner on monero ever since luke uncovered that dero flaw lol

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Uncovered?

<o​frnxmr:monero.social> Someone posted a video of almost the entire dero chain (incku capn's) transactions being revealed

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/b754e9ed9fa4cc2c607f38a83aa3df2a that one btw

<n​ihilist:nowhere.moe> gist.github.com/kayabaNerve/b754e9ed9fa4cc2c607f38a83aa3df2a that one btw (if people missed it)

who tf calls himself "captain" unironically

"okay chief"

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> very cringe yes

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Stealth addresses collected onchain to make a ringsignature

<n​ononynous:monero.social> What I dont understand is if theres "no key image on dero haha", then why tf is ringsig is used and how the hell do you audit transactions

just trust the capn bro

<n​ononynous:monero.social> They claims to use accounting model to avoid UTXO privacy flaws but I'm too much dumb to understand how they'd manage to update balances and doing ring signatures with that

<n​ononynous:monero.social> Also kayaba told accounting model for ringsignatures could be potentially worse

Just trust the capn

He's on a 40wk vacation

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Good commentary by rbrunner on the "key images" claims by techleaks: reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1fh92e…sm_sunday_september_15_2024/lna087t

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Just old wine in new bottles. Are black marbles and EAE-like attacks a problem for the ring signature privacy model? Yes. Is this new? No. It's as old as the first Monero Research Lab bulletin, published ten years ago: getmonero.org/resources/research-lab/pubs/MRL-0001.pdf

<r​ucknium:monero.social> Yes, account model for ring signatures is probably worse since it's much easier to see repeat usage patterns tied to a specific user. I haven't done a formal analysis.

<f​ede:xmr.mx> afaik account model can reduce number of inputs in transactions => smaller TX size, but it definitely isn't more private

k4r4b3y | who tf calls himself "captain" unironically <- I mean, my old childhood nick used to be Captain Underpants)

spongebob and the captain

<f​ede:xmr.mx> by the way, isn't Dero abandoned? Why everyone talking about it? just move on

soycial media drama

<f​ede:xmr.mx> last commit 7 months ago

<f​ede:xmr.mx> ig not even dero devs care about this drama, they're probs enjoying life in Dubai by now

based

that's what its about

"dero devs"

Theres 2. Selix and capn

Selix launched their own crypto called xelis

the rug must go on

<p​reland:monero.social> Speaking of which

<p​reland:monero.social> Tari just invented a brand new crypto technology: decentralized pre-mining

I hear that Tari will be released by EOY 2020

🧦

<p​reland:monero.social> Tbh I used to be kinda excited abt Tari

<p​reland:monero.social> And then 6 months passed

<p​reland:monero.social> And then 6 months passed

<p​reland:monero.social> And then 6 months passed

<p​reland:monero.social> And then

<q​uickex:matrix.org> Hey guys, Quickex launched new giveaway, you just need to rate our new design. Will appreciate your honest opinion!

<q​uickex:matrix.org> t.me/Quickex_en/532

I always found Dero to be suspicious. Even the name, which in Japanese would translate to "get the fuck out".

How to lose an entire market by choosing a wrong name

or the wrong cryptography

<f​lidgrix:matrix.org> check this tool out guys github.com/umutcamliyurt/MoneroMine2Pay

<f​lidgrix:matrix.org> it works similiar to primo

What Luke?

<f​lidgrix:matrix.org> it mines monero to get password from server

<f​lidgrix:matrix.org> proof of work system

remiliascarlet, thanks

<j​s:nil.im> Should just work with Feather

<j​s:nil.im> Keep in mind though that Model T has no secure element and hence you need to keep it physically secure. Model 5 is better there.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Isn't that Trezor One? Isn't the T the newer one that does have a secure element?

<j​s:nil.im> nah, T is old

<j​effro256:monero.social> Trezor 3 and 5 have secure elements

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Hmmm.

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> I need to fact check this. I'm sure One is no element and T is relatively new...

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Then there is 5 or whatever that is the latest.

<j​s:nil.im> 3 and 5 are new, One and T are old

<j​s:nil.im> They even removed T entirely from their store: trezor.io/compare

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> reddit.com/r/TREZOR/comments/1763ee…zor_safe_3_more_secure_than_model_t

<r​ottenwheel:kernal.eu> Ya.

<j​s:nil.im> Still weird to me that 3 gets an OLED but 5 LCD 😉

<j​s:nil.im> I still wonder if OLED is a security risk: Your seed phrase is shown for quite a while when you write it down. Can it burn in? Probably not, but maybe with proper equipment you could reconstruct it?

<j​effro256:monero.social> They might've added in to the 3 for the hype but then rolled back to LCD for the 5 since OLED doesn't last as long and is pricier

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> imo

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> if someone can get your hww they can get your seed backups

<j​s:nil.im> Only if you store your seed next to your hw wawllet 😉

<j​s:nil.im> Only if you store your seed next to your hw wallet 😉

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Afaik, Only time it did append was a bug in old trezor software (rebooting the thing constatantly allowed to recover the seed). That bug has been fixed.

<j​s:nil.im> That also shouldn't happen anymore with the secure element, I suppose

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Would anyone who is interested in the Haveno project like to come over to the channel an help me test out the MacOS or Windows installation installers? They are in alpha now and are working great on my Mac, and Windows, also on VirtualBox. My goal is to find edge cases now so on release in ~2 weeks there is less of a riot! Thanks ! I'm happy to reward with some XMR if you end up s<clipped message>

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> pending a lot of time with me, or if you don't mind helping open source projects thats fine too! You don't need to be an expert to help.

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> Just 1 or 2 people is fine for now, preferable if you're using a slightly less modern PC not like an M chip on macs, but the macs prior to that.

<j​effro256:monero.social> Anyone else's node using a really high amount of RAM rn? Mine's at 13GB

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> i'll check

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…matrix.org/UfCjPHQTjkAFjDGelfurVQFz

<k​ewbit:matrix.org> nope

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Isnt normal, for it to eat most of the free ram?

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> I have a node with 64GB allocated for Monero, and there is about 10GB free (It would brobably be using it all if I did not reboot it last week)

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Most of it seam to be data.mdb cache

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yeah, it's all cache

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> matrix.monero.social/_matrix/media/…oad/xmr.mx/uZxywosJCwqLGQQCjSsTQViU

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> If you need the memory for something else, the OS will dump a chunk of it, no problem