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<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> It was on rabbit hole recap in this week

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<b​asses:matrix.org> anyone tried building monerujo latest release from source? there seems to be an issue m2049r/xmrwallet #974

<c​t:xmr.mx> maybe ask in Monerujo ?

I don't understand that 974 issue at all, and got from a discussion that this is probably a misunderstanding, or somebody not knowing what they do

Also note the title of that issue, it's not "Can't compile", it's "Add to f-droid.org repo"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Licaon on an fdroid maintainer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They are trying to add monerujo to fdroid's reproducible build server

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Licaon is an fdroid maintainer

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> They tested the build as-is and it doesnt work, so they posted an issue to figure out what is missing from the repo to allow building via ci

<b​asses:matrix.org> monerujo dev replies to the issue were terrible and didn't help with OP's questions at all

I am not terribly close to Monerujo, but even *I* know that the main dev decided *long ago* that they don't want to add to f-droid.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> M2049r's "i doubt this will ever get merged" is either "this isnt foss enough" or "i dont think fdroid would merge". If the latter, he probably doesnt know that licaon is a maintainer

And every few months somebody flies in and asks that, and when the dev tells that he doesn't want, things tend to get ugly

Sorry, "this is not FOSS enough" is simply bullshit

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> linsui created an f-droid capable session messenger fork, for example. I think licaon is doing the same. But step 1 is "get dev's permission", so licaon stopped on account of m2049r's NACK-leaning comment

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fdroid.org has strict guidelines about libs and uses reproducible build process

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> If exolix stuff isnt foss, than it cant ship

All very well, but deducting from problems adding to f-droid that Monerujo is not compilable under other circumstances isn't valid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Same reason torbrowser isn't in fdroid. Non-free dependencies

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The deducting was interpretation (or mis) of m2049r's comment

Pretty sure for a regular, non-reproducible Monerujo build you don't have to build all dependencies as well, right?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Either he doesnt want it there, or its incompatible due to not being totally foss

Or both

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As i said, linsui dis a session messenger fork because session shipped non-free stuff (like fcm and a cryptolib that didnt have source available)

What do you mean exactly with "ship"?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> So licaon can (likely easily) create a foss monerujo lib (which is what it appears he/she's attempting), but stopped because of NACK from m2049r

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Session messenger isnt foss

The messenger itself, or some third-party external dependencies?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It includes software that doesn't gave source available and some proprietary

From the same people that program the messenger?

So for some parts of their own messenger, developed by them, they say "Nope, you don't get the source for *that*"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Also google firecloud messenging

Ok. Is there a suspicion that the situation with Monerujo might be the same?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The lib that session didnt provide source for, iirc, was a netcipher fork

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Linsui replaced it with a foss version, removed google fcm, and pushed a truly foss version of session to fdroid

Frankly, I don't care much about non-Monero things like these messengers. If people try to throw mud at Monerujo without merit, I care very much.

<b​asses:matrix.org> they don't require builds to be reproducible but encourages devs to support it afaik.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think "suspicion" is the wrong word

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It simple fails to build reproducibly, and licaon is trying to make it build so it can be included in fdroid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> M2049r, instead of helping, just responded "I doubt this would ever get merged"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Which leads to "why?"

So in this discussion we did not yet gain any knowledge about whether Monerujo currently builds non-reproducibly or not

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Licaon, an fdroid maintainer, is themself trying to get it merged. Usually the job of the dev

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It doesnt build reproducibly

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> We know that and have for years

But it builds

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> yes, but has to build reproducibly to be eligible for fdroid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Monero gui builds. Monero gui isnt reproducible

Right. "It doesn't build" is a quite heavy accusation, and I think we should be careful not to let it grow if that accusation is not true.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Feather builds. Feather is reproducible

<b​asses:matrix.org> reproducible-builds.org

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are no reproducible monero mobile wallets

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Who said "it doesnt build"?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it definitely builds

Alright. We already get a nice Android Monero wallet more or less for free. We don't get it reproducible as it seems, and we don't get it on f-droid.org

Well, ok, that's life. It goes on.

From the backlog, question from basses: " anyone tried building monerujo latest release from source? there seems to be an issue m2049r/xmrwallet #974"

So we can answer the question: There is no issue for a standard build

Probably

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Theres no reason why we shouldnt allow liacon to pursue the reproducible build

Fully agree.

They are just on their own

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Fdroid maintainers dont often so the work for devs

They can even fork and make "Monerujo-R" with "R" for "Reproducible"

Yeah, why should they?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its up to the devs to create reproducible branches for fdroid to build from. Izzysoft helped cake, and cake / justin didnt want to go that route

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Linsui did session, when session backed out of it

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think we should applaud liacon, linsui and izzy for going out of their way to help ship secure privacy tools

All very well. It's just dangerous if people with a limited technical background read discussions like the one we have right now, or that 974

and get away with wrong impressions

"I think we should applaud liacon" I help applauding, that's not what irks me

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I see. Its the wording of "unable to build" question

But a nice effect of this discussion is that now I understand that 974 issue, and that's a win for me. Thanks!

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> As licaon says, they are working on recipe for fdroid and running into some problems. But m2049r NACK means that licaon cant submit without permission, so its dead unless m2049r green lights it

Teachers won't explain you in elementary school what a "recipe for fdroid" is :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats a typr of soup, isnt it?

NACK reproducible 😄

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> anhdres can you let m2049r know that licaon is an fdroid maintainer? And greenlight the build?

Well, good luck with that ...

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (not just some noob who wants to force m2049r to modify monerujo, but a dev who wants help understanding the roadblocks)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> For session, all it took was for keejef to say "sure. Do what you want, but label it as oxen unofficial"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Now we have the only free / foss version of session in fdroid and has been for years

NACK reproducible builds 😄

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The "recipe" removes fcm and replaces netcipher (iirc)

Sorry for the echo*

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Don't be sorry lol. Cake NACK'd too

A fork without our referral / api keys thats reproducible? NACK

As far as I know and understand, A) m2049r doesn't want Monerujo on f-droid.org, and B) he doesn't tell why not. If anybody is worried by that, then well, take another wallet, problem solved.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> cake-tech/cake_wallet #113#issuecomment-1143704303

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Problem not solved, sir. There are 0 mobile monero wallets that are reproducible

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And 2 desktop ones: cli and feather

How bad is that, really, if I can compile the wallet myself?

It's clearly not the same, ok, ok, but how bad?

And well, do you already know m2049r's stance regarding reproducible builds per se, f-droid or not?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Look at mysu

Why does monero bother with gitian process

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> When the dev took the repo down, only 1 person had a copy. Aka, NOBODY actually tried to build it

And soon GUIX

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes, he doesnt care about them.

Bad luck then.

For me this merely goes into the "can't have it all" bucket

mysu was really its very own class of clusterfuck. A need for hunting down the source of a wallet because the dev calls it quits? Jesus.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> m2049r/xmrwallet #57#issuecomment-382763008

2018

m2049r should set up a script that posts once every month to here, to Reddit, and X "Sorry, no f-droid.org for you. Live with it"

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> That's not the comment i was looking for

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I can't find it, but he said something like "Even if you build it yourself, there is no trustless pipeline. reproducibility doesnt add security. you either read every line of code or you trust the dev" or something like that

Yeah, you can build backdoors reproducibly, I am sure. And trojans :)

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> If you’re not rewriting each line of code in your own editor and building your own apps, you don’t deserve to use Monero

That's what you take away from our discussion?

Good job :)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Hahaha

Rewriting every second line would be enough, by the way.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> rbrunner. Right? Nobody read mysu's source code. Nobody even had a copy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Dont writr the code.. dont even look need to look at it tbh. Just trust that because the code was posted, that its 100% clean

<a​nhdres:matrix.org> I've already pinged him again about this conversation. I'm not even discussing this F-Droid thing because it's over my technical level.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> just about the issue 974 iirc

<b​asses:matrix.org> bruh there's a copy and forked with minimal commits

<b​asses:matrix.org> it is because of dev's weird decision to only allow source code to be behind an onion address

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Bruh nothinf

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Nobody had a copy of the latest release, meaning nobody forked the repo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> r4v3r23 had a copy of a recent version, due to work on anonero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 0 users of the wallet forked the repo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> An onion address makes 0 difference. You could only download the app from onion/i2p but none of those users every thought to clone the repo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And.. dont you use an iphone?

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<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah and?

<b​asses:matrix.org> inaccessible for majority of users

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> ??? 100% of userbase were tor/i2p users

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> No it isn't lol.

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Just in: rbrunner thinks asking for reproducible builds, or rather, having a FOSS project be reproducible builds isn't that big of a deal!

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> What's next? Source available is the same as open source?

<b​asses:matrix.org> bruh are u seriously want to argue about this too when it is clear?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Windows is the best operating system?

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Everyone should get an iPhone? 😂

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes, yes fr fr

<b​asses:matrix.org> only a handful of users downloaded the source code becomes of that exact reason

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> What is clear, that literally everyone larps about foss and users dont actual fork repos or read code?

<b​asses:matrix.org> only a handful of users downloaded the source code because of that exact reason

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong

<b​asses:matrix.org> yes

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> only a handful of users downloaded the source code

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> fify

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> only a handful of users download source code

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> fixed***

<b​asses:matrix.org> I think the source code was even behind i2p that's why I didn't bother myself checking it out as I didn't have an i2p client

<b​asses:matrix.org> was browsing using Tor browser

<r​ottenwheel:unredacted.org> Ya.

<b​asses:matrix.org> how do u know?

<b​asses:matrix.org> that no one except anonero had a copy

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Because we looked for months?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I had a very old copy. Nobody, incl anonero, had the latest release

<b​asses:matrix.org> u did? because I was who found it from anon's codeberg and gave it to rotten where he uploaded to other Git instances

<b​asses:matrix.org> mrcyjanek probably also had a copy as he was researching other mobile wallets source codes

<b​asses:matrix.org> bounties.monero.social/posts/151/2-…maintenance-and-further-development

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Wrong

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Lol bs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I asked r4v3r and r4v3r had it on r4v3r's repo

<b​asses:matrix.org> idk if that was the latest build

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> it wasnt

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> R4v3r had it, not mrcyjanek. I asked cyjan too

<b​asses:matrix.org> yeah it was r4v3r23 codeberg.org/r4v3r23/mysu

<m​2049r:matrix.org> not really - monerujo is under the apache 2 license so forks cannot use the name

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It wouldn't really be a fork, would it?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> It would just be a reproducible build pipeline for monerujo

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The repo could still be hosted on one of your github branches, or could potentially be the main branch

<m​1r3dk:gnulinux.club> Hi there! I go by m1r3dk on the internet. I’m a security researcher with a deep passion for privacy and security. From the very beginning, I've been committed to exploring and advocating for secure digital practices.

<b​asses:matrix.org> ??? I can't find the exact channel and search doesn't help at all. rotten can confirm

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> How do you pronounce that

<m​2049r:matrix.org> this is just not true - we have our own f-droid repo (which is in line with what f-droid is about). just like e.g. the guardian project

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Thats not inline

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> There are 2 diff types of fdroid servers/repos. Build servers and ones where you can drop drop an apk in

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> F-droid.org hosts a build server. Guardianproject ships non-foss binaries, like tor browser

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> And despite being there, the guardianproject repo is technically ineligible for inclusion in f-droid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> (Due to shipping non-free libs)

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> F-droid is about 2 things.

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 1. A self-hosted app store

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 2. A reproducible app store

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Or 3. A combination

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Licaton is trying to create a reproducible version of monerujo, so that monerujo can be included in f-droid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> monerujo could likewise host the reproducible build server on their own, but would still need to figure out how to build it reproducibly. Liacon seems to have taken that upon themselves and simply seeks 1. Permission to post in fdroid 2. help with issues during the build

<m​2049r:matrix.org> i am all for a reproducible build. it would still not be the build which would be deployed as we have api keys in there which won't be in git

<m​2049r:matrix.org> and we don't want it to be on the main repo as we would lose control over the signing keys. which would also mean that that build would be the one to deploy to play store which would break all current installations and delete thousands of wallet

<m​2049r:matrix.org> if we really need it in the main repo so people find it, maybe we should make a wrapper which basically adds the monerujo repo and installs from there

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> the point of the main repo is reproducibility, not convenience

<m​2049r:matrix.org> if we have a reproducible (docker?) build, we don't need fdroid then. monero has a reproducible build without fdroid

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> The fdroid build wouldnt be the one deployed to play store. Plenty if apps are like this. Play store has free or pro version, fdroid has foss version. Either they conflict, or fdroid Use's a different package name and can be installed alongside

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Only cli does

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> and feather. Gui isnt reproducible

<b​asses:matrix.org> not true f-droid.org/2023/09/03/reproducible…-signing-keys-and-binary-repos.html

<b​asses:matrix.org> >All the years before, F-Droid created a dedicated key for each app to sign the published APKs, but now with reproducible builds F-Droid ships APKs that are signed by the upstream developer(s). Which proves to you that the developer confirmed: „this is what I intended to publish, this was built from my code“. And that it’s distributed by F-Droid tells you: „F-Droid confirm<clipped message>

<b​asses:matrix.org> s, too, that this is the APK built from the very code the developer provided“. So neither of the two could have „sneaked in“ something not contained in the app’s source code repository.

<m​2049r:matrix.org> will read

<k​evino:tchncs.de> sidekick ded ?

<m​2049r:matrix.org> why?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> wen bug fix ?

<m​2049r:matrix.org> which bug?

<k​evino:tchncs.de> can't open the wallet , it just crashes

<k​evino:tchncs.de> m2049r/sidekick #1

<m​2049r:matrix.org> whats missing is PR to monero code to "claim" the enum

<k​evino:tchncs.de> opened since a month

<m​2049r:matrix.org> been on vacation

<m​2049r:matrix.org> and no android 14 device

<k​evino:tchncs.de> hmm i see

<m​2049r:matrix.org> because: works for me :)

<k​evino:tchncs.de> i shifted to cupcake

<k​evino:tchncs.de> coz it works for me 🤪

<k​evino:tchncs.de> (honestly not tested yet)

<m​2049r:matrix.org> hehe - the crash log in the issue is very helpful - will fix it asap

<m​2049r:matrix.org> ü

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Element x is one such app that, iirc, is built using elements key

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Can someone get a hold of the Monero Twitter account and have it start a PR blitz. Just say we very excited about FCMP and booba

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> No

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Are you implementing fcmp?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Are we not ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> are you**

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> My point is, you shouldnt count eggs before they hatch

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yes, but didn’t we do all of that on getmonero blog ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Pr blitz should start after a testnet is viable

<e​longated:matrix.org> Seraphis, fcmp++ , tryptichhh

im not implementing anything but expect it to be done Q1 2025 else i will let out an audible exhale

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Weve been larping about setaphis for like 4yrs

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf?

<e​longated:matrix.org> Yup and it’s still 4 yrs away

<e​longated:matrix.org> Maybe the wolf is monero

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Some other blockchain might just take fcmp and integrate on mobilecoin or dero while we tweet about it

this is why wownero has to do it first, to prevent this

<e​longated:matrix.org> Good for them, our testnet 🤣

<e​longated:matrix.org> Let’s see too far away

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> precisely. Wownero should do it first

<e​longated:matrix.org> Is wow team ready

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> just like randomx. If not for wownero, we might still be debating randomx

FCMP is not currently on the wownero roadmap

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Yes. But the rest of the code isnt

<e​longated:matrix.org> So yah, a year before them going mainnet ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> once it hits a usable testnet and bugs fixed, i imagine wow will put it on their mainnet

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> I think there are a lot of logistical issues that may lead to a contentions HF

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Like the proposed limiting of inputs per tx to 8

<e​longated:matrix.org> 8 inputs ? How much can we do right now ?

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> 146

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> MOOOOOONIIIIIIINNNNNN TIIIIMMMEEEE 🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🚀🌑🌑🌑🌑🌑🌑

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Boriiiinng

<e​longated:matrix.org> 8 will be enough ? Or fcmp isn’t feasible above 8

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Its feasible

<e​longated:matrix.org> Still way below ath

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> haha true

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> i hate you

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> imo, "hell no". 8 is terrible UX

<e​longated:matrix.org> 146 to 8 is quite a downgrade

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> still below haveno UI price (203)

<h​ardenedsteel:monero.social> do we know why?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> dave.jp conspiracy probably

<f​reddi99:matrix.org> told a friend to buy today, he said "ill wait for the dip". thanks, friend

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Becauae i said so

<o​frnxmr:xmr.mx> Everything else is up 100%, where tha heckin so you think people park profits

<e​longated:matrix.org> What does that mean ?

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> meme

<p​reland:monero.social> Hmm

<p​reland:monero.social> So I take it no one else knows why this is happening

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> If someone knew that means either two things:

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - he can the see the future

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> - he traveled back in time

<s​nowman:tetaneutral.net> Will FCMP still be able to work if price goes above 150

<p​reland:monero.social> Eh; it’d be retrospective viewing in this case

<p​reland:monero.social> I’m just a bit skeptical of the price rn because I’ve been on and off watching the price for over a year and it has never went up this quickly

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> Yes it did in the past

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> good question

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> from the experience of numerous people in this community. spike like that always happens at the end of the year

<p​reland:monero.social> But not in the past year I don’t think

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> liquidity crunch imo

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Moon when

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> you cant buy it anywhere

<r​avfx:xmr.mx> not in the past year, indeed

<p​reland:monero.social> That’s….actually very plausible lol

<m​onerobull:matrix.org> 1 fatfingered 1M buy can pump us to the moon

<p​reland:monero.social> *on paper

<3​21bob321:monero.social> Thanks to the dev who put themselves on fire for the pump

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> *on papyrus

<p​reland:monero.social> Seeing how the price is going down as quickly as it went up I think it actually was a liquidity crunch, which was probably caused by the price reaching 180 naturally which tripped something somewhere

<p​reland:monero.social> (Note: not investment advice)

<s​yntheticbird:monero.social> (Note: as long as its smarter than me its investment advice)

<e​longated:matrix.org> It is liquidity crunch, and at the same time vendor systems automatically selling